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Hi, I moved your draft Biz:Greece-Turkey/1982-2021 to User:Biz/Greece-Turkey/1982-2021. I assumed you wanted to create it in your userspace so you could work on it, since you included your user name in the article title. However, you need to prefix your user name with User:. Happy editing! Schazjmd  (talk)  21:38, 20 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Thanks! Biz (Biz#top|talk) 00:05, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

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 * Thanks! And apologies. Still learning the ropes. Biz (talk) 01:44, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
 * No worries. Thanks for your work on the article. DanCherek (talk) 02:33, 6 May 2022 (UTC)

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Greece–Turkey relations

 * Thank you. You've made some great edits so far! Biz (talk) 19:13, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
 * No problem, thanks. Some of this article is difficult for me to parse. I do check sources where I can but please correct me if I misinterpret something. Cheers,  Baffle☿gab  20:52, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I've now finished my c/e; I've noted vague terms and over-citing—one small paragraph has twelve citations! I don't think this is anywhere near GA quality but good luck with the article. Cheers,  Baffle☿gab  00:19, 11 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your work. Yes, when I rewrote this article I tried to consolidate all the news items which were instead written separately as items. So you are right to say over cited as it’s the same point in the narrative now.


 * What else is needed to make it GA quality in your eyes? Biz (talk) 05:18, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
 * It's difficult to say exactly what needs to be done; I'm not a GA reviewer. Perhaps a peer review would be helpful. Besides the over-citing and weasel words, I think the material could be better organized and the "personal reflection" template removed. International relations is a complex and sometimes difficult subject, so bravo for taking on the article. Sorry for not being more helpful. Cheers,  Baffle☿gab  13:38, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Would you please remove the "personal reflection template? I feel this section as been edited enough now to merit it being removed since @AirshipJungleman29 added it. Biz (talk) 18:57, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

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Why have you done that?
It's post like this that have made that thread unreadable. There's no point repeating your arguments yet again. You started your post by saying that an RfC is a great idea. I suggest you just get on with it if that's what you want rather posting further to that thread. You need to read WP:RFC first. You put forward a short neutral question like "should xyz text be replaced by abc? Your "take" on the background must not figure in the RfC opening. (You put that subsequently as one of the respondents if you want to). DeCausa (talk) 22:14, 7 February 2023 (UTC)


 * I wrote that because I've never created a WP:RFC before and took note of Pablo1355's comment that Furius moderates. I wrote it all out because I wanted to put it all in the one place for easy reference if someone wanted to pick up on it. I appreciate the pointers but even with that I don't even know how to do this as its multiple issues and not all are equally important. Biz (talk) 22:23, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
 * How to do it is spelled out in WP:RFC, specifically in the part at WP:RFCOPEN. Have a look at other RfCs. The point of the RfC question should be very specific (yes or no answer) and neutral. The point is to cut to the chase with specifics rather than let a discussion drag on aimlesly as has been happening. People can then post their response with whatever explanation they want to give. You can do that as well. The important thing is you don't mix that up with the opening question which should be neutral. It's quite straight forward, but have a look at a few others if you are unsure. DeCausa (talk) 23:28, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks. So how about: "Some editors believe this text is problematic and needs a revision. Do you agree?
 * @Furius what do you think? Biz (talk) 23:40, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
 * That doesn't work. There's no actionable outcome (also it's netrality is challenged by the "some editors think"). You tried to introduce new text, which I reverted. If you think that's the best text the RfC should be: Should the wording in [identify paragraph] that currently says [xyz] be replaced with [abc]? If there's a variant of your proposal that you think might get support you could put forward that too ( i.e. Should the wording in [identify paragraph] that currently says [xyz] be (A) left as is, (B) replaced with [abc] or (C) replaced with [def]. (Don't do too many variants though) DeCausa (talk) 07:09, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Would this work: Should the wording in [identify paragraph] that currently says [xyz] be (A) left as is, (B) replaced with [abc] or (C) replaced with some but not all the modifications of option (B)? Biz (talk) 13:49, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Wrote it up with this format and replaced "words" with text
 * Should the text in the first paragraph that currently says
 * Although the Roman state continued and its traditions were maintained, modern historians prefer to differentiate the Byzantine Empire from Ancient Rome as it was centered on Constantinople, oriented towards Greek rather than Latin culture, and characterised by Eastern Orthodox Christianity. 
 * be
 * (A) left as is,
 * (B) replaced with Although the Roman state continued, modern historians distinguish the Byzantine Empire from the earlier Roman Empire due to the imperial seat moving to Constantinople, its integration of Christianity, and its use of Greek over Latin. or
 * (C) replaced with some but not all the modifications of option (B)
 * Bibliography for references
 * Biz (talk) 20:20, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
 * A or B only. Otherwise, this seems fine to me. Furius (talk) 20:46, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Ok thanks. There one bibliography issue but otherwise I’ll make that change and post in a few hours. Biz (talk) 16:44, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Biz (talk) 20:20, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
 * A or B only. Otherwise, this seems fine to me. Furius (talk) 20:46, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Ok thanks. There one bibliography issue but otherwise I’ll make that change and post in a few hours. Biz (talk) 16:44, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Biz (talk) 20:20, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
 * A or B only. Otherwise, this seems fine to me. Furius (talk) 20:46, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Ok thanks. There one bibliography issue but otherwise I’ll make that change and post in a few hours. Biz (talk) 16:44, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
 * A or B only. Otherwise, this seems fine to me. Furius (talk) 20:46, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Ok thanks. There one bibliography issue but otherwise I’ll make that change and post in a few hours. Biz (talk) 16:44, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

ERe
In fact, for the Romans the ERE and WRE were not two different states, but two geographical parts of the same empire ruled by two rulers and courts. However, it is still just wrong to say that these two concepts were coined after the fall of Constantinople like the term "Byzantine empire" (Claudian, Ammianus and others constantly use terms like Hesperium Imperium, Imperium Orientale, and several variants); Byzantine empire was an actual invention, but the first is a correct geographic term. I think your point would be made better if you write "the term Byzantine empire was an invention, whereas ERE was a geoghraphic term" cause they are not "invented" in the same way. Barjimoa (talk) 11:13, 6 June 2023 (UTC)


 * @Barjimoa Thank you for the response. It’s why I asked for the source that mentions it like this to see the context.
 * You may be right. But I also do think it makes a difference in how it is written. As a modern equivalent, writing something such as the eastern Federation is different from the Eastern American Federation (if we are describing the USA). Capitalisation, other words, and the context it was written in a paragraph make all the difference. For example, Marco Cristini last year said it was highly uncommon to use Orientale imperium before the 6th century and its usage may have more to do with Zenobia than anything else. Biz (talk) 23:50, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
 * This discussion has been copied and moved here in case other people can offer perspective: Talk:Byzantine Empire Biz (talk) 16:54, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

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