User talk:Bizarroelvis

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Your submission at Articles for creation: sandbox (December 30)
 Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by KylieTastic was:

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 * Hi KylieTastic and thank you for the quick response. It is thrilling to be able to contribute and I appreciate the rigorous standards.  I was hoping you can offer some advice.  It's been a while since I have written articles and am struggling how to cite social media as a secondary notable source.  Your insight would be greatly appreciated and thanks again for your speedy response.  Bizarroelvis (talk) 00:20, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi Bizarroelvis, all new articles on Wikipedia have to show the subject is notable (See WP:N) which in most cases requires significant coverage (WP:SIGCOV) in multiple independent (WP:INDY) reliable sources (WP:RS). User:Bizarroelvis/sandbox mostly has primary sources (acostatequila.com) and promotional/sales sources (acostatequila.myshopify.com). In most cases social media is not a reliable source either. Also the tone of the text reads just like company marketing not an encyclopedic article (See Neutral point of view). Regards KylieTastic (talk) 10:46, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I was very cognizant of the tone I was using in the article. I reviewed related pages (casa dragones page for example) to make sure I was consistent with the tone and information that exists in similar companies on this site.  This is not promotional, and all information was cited similarly to other company pages.  Unfortunately since there isn't additional paid marketing to qualify as "multiple independent reliable sources" like other companies listed on the site, the story of a Hispanic American entrepreneur's artistry and commitment to his roots will be left off.  I understand the guidelines, but I am not fooled by the fact that they indirectly form a financial pay to play scheme.  My goal is to bring notoriety to the suppressed, and I am proud to stand up for Mexican Americans and their accomplishments in this white washed world.  Being proud is not the same as promotional.   I will continue to research for secondary, reliable sources.  Hopefully they will not be a part of the company's marketing budget. Bizarroelvis (talk) 14:55, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, lots of companies and people do pay for sources but most are rejected as obvious promotion. However, yes good marketing departments can generate good enough sources by stimulating press rather then generating directly (such as for such topics sending out samples). I do not like the amount of primary sources on Casa Dragones however that article also has, at least on face-value, independent sources. Note for notability the general rule is 3+ independent reliable sources with significant coverage. As for tone, using words like entrepreneur are considered puff... everyone starting a business these days wants to call themselves one - compare with Microsoft "Microsoft was founded by Bill Gates and Paul Allen" or SpaceX "The company was founded in 2002 by Elon Musk". Also "distinct design" is again considered puff. Other bits sound like marketing because they are direct copies such as "tribute to the beauty and traditions of Mexico" and "when you see this bottle you see Mexico". The best way to get more neutral is to not quote. Also what exactly does "pay tribute to the beauty and traditions of Mexico" mean? and in what way when you see this bottle you see Mexico? Both sound like pure marketing. A more encyclopaedic description of the bottle would be: "has a design based on the Mesoamerican pyramids as a link to Mexican history" or "has a design based on the flat topped pyramids of Mexico". Cheers KylieTastic (talk) 17:40, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you. That is more constructive.   Bizarroelvis (talk) 18:04, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

Concern regarding User:Bizarroelvis/sandbox
Hello, Bizarroelvis. This is a bot-delivered message letting you know that User:Bizarroelvis/sandbox, a page you created, has not been edited in at least 5 months. Drafts that have not been edited for six months may be deleted, so if you wish to retain the page, please edit it again&#32;or request that it be moved to your userspace.

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Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia. FireflyBot (talk) 18:07, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

Your draft article, User:Bizarroelvis/sandbox


Hello, Bizarroelvis. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or draft page you started, "sandbox".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material, the draft has been deleted. When you plan on working on it further and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Liz Read! Talk! 17:22, 30 June 2024 (UTC)