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Editing
Good on your edits so far - it would be a good idea to read the welcome and also see how sandboxes are a good idea - cheers. Also worth looking at making sure the Australian, and WA tags are on the talk pages of articles you create or edit - SatuSuro 04:51, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Satu. I'll keep on learning the ropes but, er, where do I read up about the Australian, and WA tags? Bjenks 05:31, 18 April 2007 (UTC)


 * allo allo then what can we do for you? SatuSuro 10:40, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Well then, how do I "[make] sure the Australian, and WA tags are on the talk pages of articles [I] create or edit? Cheers Bjenks 08:32, 24 April 2007 (UTC)


 * ooops - a long time later - go in to edit mode in a west australian article talk page and you will see the required item (usually) SatuSuro 14:27, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Aha, gottit, thanks! Bjenks 03:14, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Sydney Push
Hi Brian, I read your comment on the Sydney Push article about the removal of two external links to the website I administer (takver.com) At the moment an administrator is being perhaps a little over officious at deleting links to my website as conflict of interest (linkspam), rather than assessing their relevancy or raising the issue for discussion on the talk page. I admit that there is a potential conflict of interest for me to edit an article and then place a link to my website. But I reject that I have added a link where it was not relevant as an authoritative source. If you think my links on the Sydney Push article are relevant or not, you are welcome to discuss them further at the Talk:Sydney_Push. Welcome to Wikipedia. --Takver 13:51, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Greetings, Takver. I'm not really sure what's going on here, but your website's fine by me, invaluable, in fact. However, I'd better cool off at this stage and maybe look again later! Cheers Bjenks 14:03, 27 April 2007 (UTC)


 * No worries. Wikipedia editing is a learning process. lots of guidelines. Just always assume good faith and be aware of potential conflict of interest (as I am presently finding out) I attended the breakfast with Jimbo Wales this morning in Melbourne and there was a discussion of the need for flexibility in applying guidelines, especially in terms of for example editors contributing articles from third world countries who may not have access to references or sources like we have in the west. Guidelines are guidelines for a reason - to allow flexibility in human judgement. I look forward to following your contributions. Drop me a message if you need any help. --Takver 14:20, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

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Greetings
Hello Brian, I'm just passing by to say hi and thanks for the nice compliment you left at talk:Sue Gordon. I have nothing to add to what you said there re capitalisation other than I wholeheartedly agree. &mdash;Moondyne 02:21, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
 * You're most welcome, I'm sure! I have a soft spot for Sue Gordon since, many years ago in the Children's Court, she chided a delinquent son, saying "Your father lives in hope!" Have you selected "Moondyne" from Welsh ancestry or mere shyness? (:-))Bjenks 04:51, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Welcome aboard WikiProject Western Australia
Hi, i'm a member of the unofficial welcoming committee for WikiProject Western Australia. I noticed that you'd signed on to the project overnight, and i'd just like to take the opportunity to welcome you aboard. The local project is gathering some real steam and has a robust group of regular contributors, and we'd welcome your contribution to local articles which may be a little under documented. A good place to look for these is Category:Stub-Class Western Australia articles and Category:Start-Class Western Australia articles. If you've got any project questions or would like to introduce yourself, please stop by the project's talk page or feel free to drop any of the members a line on their talk pages too. Thewinchester (talk) 23:03, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Many thanks. My main interests are international but I've noticed there are some holes in recent WA history, eg, the 1980s, and will stick around to help where I can. Cheers Bjenks 05:15, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Delvian
Hello

I thought that I would pop you a quick message. You seem to be a good and active wikipedian. Currently there is an article that I have been working on that is in the process of being deleted.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Norvan_vogt

I don't really think that the reasons are all that valid however I am new to this and I didn't realise that Wikipedia was getting so dogmatic. If you have a moment could you have a look and see if the issues that have been raised are valid and either way maybe leave a comment or two. I have no idea how you stop it from being deleted.

Cheers

Delvian 06:37, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * See response on your page. Have you also looked at Help, my article got nominated for deletion! ? -- Bjenks 09:53, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Sowada
I'm sorry about reverting last night's changes. It was late, I was grumpy, and the sweeping changes looked like something that warranted some discussion before putting in place. Having looked over them this morning, however, they're really rather good. My apologies. Rebecca 01:40, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Accepted with thanks. --Bjenks 05:49, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Michael Macklin
Elder statesman Bjenks, as much as I had a little grin when reading this article, I do fear that the American administrator who deleted it will be back again. Some references and links would be in order. Michael talk 11:22, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Hmm, thanks Michael. It was a great annoyance that User:Alabamaboy has cut and run from his dubious editing responsibilities. And, yes, the remarks in the stub were intended to serve only while I ate my dinner and contemplated how best to do justice to Dr Macklin who, incidentally, was a big intellectual force in the Democrats Senate team for most if not all of the 9 years he was there. Incidentally--less o' the 'jerks', eh, old son! (:-))--Bjenks 12:33, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Apologies for that very funny misspelling. Very glad you took in good humour, eh? Michael talk 12:36, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Ha, that's OK! Correction: -- I should have referred to User_talk:Alabamaboy--Bjenks 12:45, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Rockingham edit
Says a lot about where it came from :( SatuSuro 17:11, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Yup. But not all of us residents can help it. 'Teens on breast milk' is corny enough but 'Holden Commodore'--yuk!! Bjenks 07:02, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I really enjoy time in Safety Bay and the cycling around the edgoe of warnbro sound - so I suspect they are north shore issues - the other side so to speak :) SatuSuro 07:05, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Must be, I guess. Uh! I just cast an eye on the rest of the article.. More work to do! --Bjenks 07:13, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Brearley
Thanks for getting in touch. I can't say I can see any issues with the footnotes, they all seem to be correctly formatted and linked. What's happening at your end? Thewinchester (talk) 23:07, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I didn't catch on properly to your formatting, what with 2 ahead of 1, etc. OK, very clever! --Bjenks 04:17, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Stott Despoja edit
I wasn't sure whether to respond here, on my own page or on the article's talk page.

Thanks for getting back to me about the edit and for directing me to further information. My reason for the edit wasn't so much my own positive knowledge on the workings of the Democrats but more the fact that the information was uncited and contentious enough to need citation and, above all, not really relevant to the subject of Natasha Stott Despoja's resignation. It seems like you would be in a good position to contribute to Wikipedia under the appropriate topics - and remember too that citation doesn't need to be from the media or academic journals; any publicly available internal documents or published works (eg. biographies) are fine too. Basically it just has to be an objective source of facts that establish the assertion. If the party-room coup that lead to Stott-Despoja's resignation is sufficiently similar to any other happenings, mention could be made of that and a link provided to the relevant page.

All the best, Daniel 05:43, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Centre-Line Party
Hi Brian, I've noticed that you have done some work on Democrats related articles, which I have been involved in, and I thought you may be the ideal person to ask this. In a couple of sources there has been a reference to the Centre-Line Party, a Western Australian based party founded (possibly by Jack Evans) and consisting of former WA Liberal Movement members. The party, according to the few sources, was then incorporated into the then new Democrats party. However, other sources state that the Centre-Line Party was never a separate party. Do you have any background knowledge about this? Cheers, --Roisterer 06:15, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Jack Evans is the only person in my experience to have mentioned the Centreline Party (however it's spelt). In quest of a parliamentary career, he was a LM Senate candidate in 1974. My guess is that Jack registered the name--maybe as a business name originally, with a fistful of others--to give him some control of it if/when it became useful. Jack's like that. So, no, I don't think the Centreline Party ever fielded any candidates.
 * Incidentally, Jack registered the association name "Australian Democrats WA Division" in 1977 or 78 and later "failed" to duly register (with the State corporate affairs office) constitutional amendments voted for by the membership. As a result, the protective 1995 Supreme Court case based on the "amended" constitution failed and the division folded. Having connived in the expulsion of opponents, Jack later rebirthed it along lines which had no relation to the original participatory principles. Business acumen can be a great help in politics. However, he and protegé(e)s Helen Hodgson and Andrew Murray will always rank among the architects of the Democrats' demise. --Cheers Bjenks 03:02, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi Brian. Thanks for the feedback.  While I always found Jack a pleasant chap to talk to, I can't say I can find too many arguments with your assertions about Andrew & Helen.  --Roisterer 07:24, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Just out of curiosity did this have anything to do with the Progress Party which made a single showing in the 1977 federal and state elections then disappeared without a trace, or was that unrelated? I'm looking to write some articles about the earlier period of WA politics but can find almost nothing about this party. Orderinchaos 09:15, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Sydney Push refs
Hi Brian, the narrator of that (2001)piece on Darcy Waters is John Englart. The attribution on the webpage has been fixed up.--Takver 15:09, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

I think Richard Neville should be listed as part of the Sydney Push as part of the 60s influx of people. See for a ref. What do you think, Brian? There is nothing in the article at the moment that mentions the libertarians at the UNSW which included at least Neville and Wendy Bacon (both deserving of wikipedia articles). --Takver 12:33, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Inclined to disagree about Neville, old chum. He was definitely 'around'-- I recall meeting him in various places but never in the pub or a push party. There was a separate, maybe parallel culture of 'arty-crafty' types which included Neville, Martin Sharpe, maybe Mungo McCallum and Laurie Oakes, I'm not sure--but these guys never mixed with the Push. Wendy Bacon, OK. She went to parties and the pub, and so did Michael McDermott who shacked up with Judy Perry and took over the editorship of Tharunka in the late 1960s--which really started off the UNSW involvement. Incidentally, you may know some of the Melbournites we saw around--Don Lee, Bill Haggarth, Lee Tonkin (from snooty Ringwood), Lilith Roche, Bob Hammond, Bert Deling being a few. Some of us visited Melbourne periodically and got in with the Tattersall's Hotel (Russell Street and little Lonsdale Street, wasn't it?) culture. Incidentally, I've found a rare photo of Ian Parker and Bob Gould in a York Street demo in the early 1960s, which I'll post into the Push article. (I stayed with Judy McGuinness and went to see Bob a few years back--he's running a giant bookshop in Newtown.) Can I ask whether you know of any family relationship between Darcy Waters, and Dr Edgar Waters (the folklorist who occasionally turned up and was interested in Ayrton, McDougall, Mooney and some other singers? Cheers Bjenks 05:16, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

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RE: Division of Brand
Hi. You recently changed Division of Brand to remove information about the safeness of the seat, and also included the fact that Kim Beazley was the member up to 2007. Even though we know that he is going to retire, he is currently still the member. Also, the "electoral irrelevancies" are given space in most other electorate articles. I have reverted your edit, but if you feel that this is incorrect please let me know. Thanks! Frickeg 23:27, 22 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I haven't reverted again (I don't want an edit war!) but I suggest you take a look at Division of Wakefield, Division of Wentworth and any other marginal seats and you'll see that most of them will have the candidates for 2007; in a seat like Brand, it's perfectly legitimate to put the candidates who have a chance of winning in there. There is even an entire article (Candidates of the Australian general election, 2007) dedicated to these candidates. Obviously it would be irrelevant to include the Greens candidate or the Democrats one, but I think it is perfectly relevant to list the likely next member. Do you disagree with this? Frickeg 02:07, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Shirley Strickland
I don't have too much of an issue with the cause of death categories: it'd be a reasonable assumption to make for the purposes of Wiki. Perhaps what's not being said is what caused the myocardial infarction. If it had been some sort of trauma or blatant self-harm I guess we'd have heard about it by now. I guess we'll never know the whole sad story. There is a Category:Cause of death unknown with a grand total of one article in it. How odd.

But the politician category should go for the reason you say. As for one l or 2 l's, I dunno. I never thought about it before. &mdash;Moondyne 16:04, 12 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Strine would generally be used in Australian articles per WP:ENGVAR. "Medallist" is a strange word which seems to have a uniquely Australian spelling. Knowing the hoops you need to jump through to rename a category I'd be inclined to let it pass.  If you're bothered about it (and it sounds like you aren't!), post a note at WP:AWNB.  &mdash;Moondyne 11:19, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks :)
Thanks for the picture of Colin Jamieson, I've incorporated it - sorry I've been slow to respond, I've just gotten back from a three week trip away and have been recovering ever since. :P Orderinchaos 09:16, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
 * No prob., oinc, I've also been travelling and happily offline in Victoria for 10 days. Cheers Bjenks (talk) 02:53, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

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Pro tem
Hi Bjenks. Thanks for the feedback. My motivation in changing the wording was that in the U.S. there's a President pro tempore of the Senate. Despite the name, the holder of that office is effectively in the position indefinitely as long as his or her party remains the majority party. Our readers come from all over the world, and the U.S. term is fairly well known. I saw some scope for confusion, so I thought it best to use a word that couldn't be misinterpreted. I don't dispute that "pro tem" means what the OAAPD says it means, but I can't say I've ever seen an Australian media outlet use this terminology in relation to a short-term interim appointment such as Janine Haines'. Cheers. -- JackofOz (talk) 05:27, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

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Archive

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Australasian Journal of Philosophy
I am not quite sure how to use 'user talk', but would like to thank you for editing the article. We at UWA noticed the article needed updating and I've had stumble about with all the HTML.

Anyhow, many thanks for the help!

Rebecca Rey - Editorial Asst. of the AJP —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ajpuwa (talk • contribs) 06:25, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Rebecca. I haven't seen any recent issues but am a long-term fan of the AJP and have a small collection of copies between 1928-35, dating from my (John) Andersonian education! Bjenks (talk) 03:18, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Wolof Empire
Thanks for your proofing of Wolof Empire. While it appears you have your hands full in Western Oz, if you're ever interested in a change of scenery WikiProject Senegal can always use the attention of careful editors. Cheers from the other side of the planet, T L Miles (talk) 13:48, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Murray
HI Bjenks...I've put your photo in an infobox just to make it present better on the page. If you don't like it or have other ideas - I'm still a bit of a beginner - just revert what I've done or let me know what you think would be better. Cheers,Sterry2607 (talk) 09:32, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Great, thanks for taking the time to let me know.Sterry2607 (talk) 07:14, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Watching
Hadnt seen the rubbish creep in at the st - you gotta have eyes everywere to cope here !! SatuSuro 00:44, 6 June 2008 (UTC) Prosh - forgot which one had sundry times - actually the prosh article would be well endowed if someone actually worked out their newspaper title for each year - it would sure put my old mates the journos (eiher still alive or still there) in place to see how many different ways their rags were vilified by their uwa friends :) SatuSuro 02:40, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Public Relations
Hi Bjenks, I've looked at the history of the Public Relations article and can't see that I've made any edits to it other than this one from two days ago, which was not to the Definitions section, and only consisted of removing an inappropriate external link. The Definitions section does look like somebody has been working on it who doesn't quite understand how to reference an article - but it wasn't me, honest guv. :-) This edit by an anonymous IP three days ago made the problem worse, but it seems to originate from sometime in mid-May. --Bonadea (talk) 14:06, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Bevan Lawrence
Brian, thanks for sticking up for this article. I have modified slightly what you've written because the use of certain adjectives just brings a challenge from some people. If you could provide a reference for the things you've expanded/added, it would help to bolster the article. The protest march, for example, could benefit thus, even from a cite to The West. Retarius | Talk 07:13, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Answered on your Talk page. Bjenks (talk) 16:03, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I've had a go. Retarius | Talk 08:40, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Art Deco - Western Australia
Could you prepare a list, in some sort of priority, of those buildings that the Art Deco Society believe are significant - I'll cross reference them against the State Register and prepare a hit lits of potential articles to create. Dan arndt (talk) 07:49, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the feedback - Coronado Hotel is now the Claremont Medical Centre so will update the listing. Will add South Fremantle Power Station.  Unfortunately the Art Deco Society indicate that there are over 1,000 Art Deco buildings but don't provide an online list that I can use so I have had to put this one together based on my limited knowledge and various references I had. As for the Emu Brewery Building, given that it no longer exists didn't feel it fi9tted on the list. Dan arndt (talk) 05:55, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Am heading overseas shortly so I probably won't be able to follow up your leads - am happy if you want to add to the list - when I get back I hope to start work on some articles for some of the buildings. Dan arndt (talk) 08:05, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

oh dear

 * Colebatch, Hal, 1945-
 * Title 	Academic's wife helped turn ideas into reality.
 * Published 	2001.
 * Summary 	Aged 64, obituary of wife of Patrick O'Brien. I knew her well. Too well.
 * Subject 	O'Brien, Valerie.
 * Found in 	Subiaco post, 19 May 2001, p.6,

some odd items from the marginal (hal) and obviously non notable (paddys wife) as i wander around henrietta's odd slips :(

Even more intriguing is -


 * Title 	Burke's shambles : Parliamentary contempt in the wild west / Anthony McAdam & Patrick O'Brien.
 * Published 	Melbourne, Vic : Burke Press, 1987.
 * Descript'n 	xvi, 254 p., [4] p. of plates : ill., facsims., ports ; 18 cm.
 * ISBN 095876980X (pbk.)
 * Subject 	Western Australia. Parliament.
 * Midland Abattoir (W.A.)
 * Western Australian Development Corporation.
 * Governmental investigations -- Western Australia.
 * Executive privilege (Government information) -- Western Australia.
 * Slaughtering and slaughter-houses -- Western Australia -- Midland.
 * Government sale of real property -- Western Australia.
 * Western Australia -- Politics and government -- 1976-1990.
 * Political corruption -- Western Australia.
 * Added author 	O'Brien, Patrick, 1937-

No one in henriettas team of excellent cataloguers ( apparently their ranks were trimmed mercilessly recently not necessarily when the new boss came from adelaide orumours say more recently than that) has noted that patrick is no longer with us - and the subject headings for me suggest something which all colours and sides have elicited work in all these areas - i just love the slaughtering and slaughter houses heading - perhaps that is regarding the house on the hill as well :|

SatuSuro 08:53, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Quick and odd question
You don't have any material on responsible government btw? I'm planning to rewrite that article and have some pretty good sources, as it looks like my offline business may be concluding very shortly. Orderinchaos 11:07, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll check my collection. However, I suggest you should head for the library on that one. It certainly does need rewriting, but not from memory! Cheers Bjenks (talk) 15:19, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah I've got quite a few sources already but I'm trying to get as many as possible in order to avoid any WP:SYN issues :) Orderinchaos 17:18, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Cool! :) That would be great. I found their constitution and platform at the Battye library - while obviously a primary source, I distinctly got that impression from reading it around a year ago. (Initial impressions were here.) Orderinchaos 22:55, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Re: SWOS
To be honest, I came to this article as a video gamer, (redirecting SWOS to Sensible World of Soccer instead) so I'm really not sure if the article on the former Aussie police agency should remain. Best of luck though. – xeno cidic  ( talk ) 00:11, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Gawd
Youre a hard task person - now you have the rest of australia coss theose guys in those back uniforms have sep arts in the rest of the oz project SatuSuro 03:01, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Yeah well its an uphill battle -(aside - there was a humdinger at the top of greenmount an hour or so ago - more firies than polisi though) thank your lucky stars you arent watching indonesian articles then you get to find some brilliant self important contentless military arts that would make any self respecting afd/enthusiast bristle at the xfd button like a ... SatuSuro 05:16, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Welcome to WP Trade
Hi. Thanks for joining the project. I just started this project because I felt that a lot of articles that dealt with trade were very much lacking. I haven't started 'advertising' the project yet because I wanted to sort out the categorization of all the trade related articles we have before we start focusing on working on articles. We have two new stubs template dealing with trade trade-stub international-trade-stub. If you see any pages that think might need them, please go ahead and add one of them. I welcome your input and your expertise. Thanks so much. --Patrick (talk) 20:50, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
 * The project is sorely needed. It's a complex and highly contentious subject, and a pity so few competent enthusiasts are around at present. Hopefully that will improve. As declared on my user page, I have some pov issues here but can still help provide info and perspectives. How closely involved are you as a professional? Where are you located? Cheers Bjenks (talk) 02:42, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Great! I work in Washington, DC. I'm currently involved in Sovereign Wealth Funds research but for most of my professional life I've been researching international trade policy. --Patrick (talk) 13:14, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Please review the licensing you release your images under
states, by you, that the image cannot be cropped in any way. I suggest you read the licenses you're releasing those images under, as you have no right to make that a condition :P Timeshift (talk) 15:39, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't want any of it! I was referred to the image by another wikipedian as there is a free image of someone more important on there but quite a dodgy snap. I just happened to see your invalid conditions and thought i'd be a nice wikipedian and point it out to you :) Timeshift (talk) 05:23, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't think I answered your original query about a suitable license. AFAIK there is no license on wikipedia you can use which does not allow alteration of the image, as wikimedia is a freely licensed image repository. The only images that don't go there are non-free fair use images. And we all know what happens to those after a period of time. Timeshift (talk) 05:45, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

And i've put the image on Keating's page. I figured if we have the bust as the template as horrid as it is, it's better than nothing and this image adds just a bit more. We aren't rich here on wikipedia with historical PM images, but we do alright with what we've got thanks to people like you, US gov images, and images older than 50 years :) Timeshift (talk) 05:56, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Punchbowl
Hi, I won't be returning to this article and will not react to having all my copyedits reverted back to "centre around", etc, etc. However, I'll leave it to you whether Lex Banning should be restored as a notable resident. His fame will probably outlive some of those whom you have kept in the list. Cheers Bjenks (talk) 04:04, 29 : August 2008 (UTC)
 * I only reverted the edits that didn't seem to make sense and the location of the photos that left gaping spaces in the article. I didn't revert anything on Lex Banning, so there's no reason why it can't go in there. J Bar (talk) 04:35, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your action, and apols if I made a wrong presumption on my reading of the edit history. Cheers Bjenks (talk) 14:31, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
 * No worries mate. Cheers. J Bar (talk) 04:30, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Arrhh
btw your aiming at wilmsi was a misread - it was vandalism from another ed SatuSuro 02:32, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Yair. I've apologised to the guy. I just don't fully understand how the system works, and will just have to pull my head in in future! Cheers Bjenks (talk) 02:48, 3 September 2008 (UTC) The Punchbowl one above was a similar goof. Bjenks (talk) 02:49, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Nah sometimes it is hard to ascertain where the sh*t comes from - there a number of classic australian articles that are not protected and the vandalism creeps in for days and you have to go back a long way down the history to get back to a clean version of the article - lack of adequate watching of oz articles - for whatever reason SatuSuro 02:52, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Bill
Have done Bill, Lucky and the KLC in swoop (all very much stubs) - thanks for the proofing - I think I am making up for being nowhere near a computer all saturday :( - cheers and thanks SatuSuro 12:20, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Would appreciate any ideas on the klc art - the nt central and northern lc'c arts are poor quality imho SatuSuro 12:27, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

The thing with the klc art is the need to have either a good nookenbah art or a good klc art one or the other - dunno if you have stuff or are able to find - i have mislaid my michael gallagher and steve hawke material it is not to hand SatuSuro 12:41, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

I knew we have so much in common :( I have cubic metres of unsorted paper - some other wa eds have seen actually it with some disbelief (gnangarra has a photo of my office which I must pay him off for ) SatuSuro 12:57, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

How embarassing - wrong places for a lower case! - I think i better go and readup for saturdays job and get off the very dubious indonesian orphan stubs that i play with - thanks for that SatuSuro 13:16, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Llwynypia
Thanks for adding the picture to the Llwynypia page, I think the page is starting to come together nicely now. You must have one hell of a Zoom lense from Australia though. FruitMonkey (talk) 16:49, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

No monkey no fruit
Regarding valid left hand side and right hand side issues - The directions from my RO were so atrociously poor regarding the acceptable or not acceptable I'll not say anything on here :( SatuSuro 14:31, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Ah we had no probs with them (assembly) and two very good amenable likeable scrutes who were worth their wait/weight :) - SatuSuro 14:44, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Image of a cormorant
I have removed an image you uploaded from the cormorant and Great Cormorant articles as it was an Australian Darter, not a corm. Related to cormorants, but a separate family none the less. Cheers. Sabine's Sunbird  talk  21:47, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Aha, thanks for the advice. I'll re-edit the erroneous data elsewhere. Cheers Bjenks (talk) 03:33, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Homebush Boys
thanks for your comments. Firstly would you please assume good faith and avoid accusations such as "perceived vandalism". Simply being a professor is not notable enough to appear on a Wikipedia school article. otherwise every school should list every professor that went to that school. We need a citation to prove that Jim Lloyd actually went to homebush boys, since no one has found anything in 10 months, I have challenged it under WP:V and WP:CITE and it has to go, I've seen uncited claims removed from articles after only 2 months. If you find a reference please include it. Michellecrisp (talk) 04:07, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Could you please assume good faith. I spend a fair bit of my time cleaning up articles and removing vandalism,. I have encountered this issue of wishing to include Professors etc on many school articles. If they are notable enough, then they should have their own Wikipedia article. I have had take a closer look and removed now anything that has been uncited for a long time. Michellecrisp (talk) 04:31, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Please remember to assume good faith when dealing with other editors. Michellecrisp (talk) 04:33, 26 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Accusing someone of vandalism is essentially a bad faith assumption. If the professors are notable and meet WP:BIO why not create their articles? Simple. Michellecrisp (talk) 04:53, 26 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Just to chime in here. The relevant guideline is Notability (academics).  I don't think it is strictly necessary to create blue links / stubs.  I suggest providing a reference in the list that establishess the connection ot the school and a ref to establish notability per the guidleine - it may be that more than one citations are required.--Matilda talk 05:15, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Matilda&mdash;this is more helpful. However, I see from the Talk page that there is considerable controversy about the guideline's application. It should also be acknowledged that there's a big difference between the US usage and Australian usage of 'professor', the latter implying seniority and hence greater notability. I can of course accept the need to establish a linkage between an alumnus and a school. I will not accept that the production of excellent scholars is irrelevant content in a school article. As you can see above, I am confronted with an editor who demands blue links as a demonstration of notability ("simple"!), in the absence of which crucial content will be summarily excised without discussion and without reply to specific questions. Cheers Bjenks (talk) 06:25, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I think blue links are not required but the cites you would have used in the stub to establish notability will establish it without a doubt and can be used when the stub or article on that individual is created. Regards Matilda talk 09:55, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
 * The two required articles are needed and justified anyway, irrespective of the fate of the Homebush article. I will do them when I'm ready and revisit the school page. It will be no trouble to restore and defend the noteworthy content. Thanks for your caring. Cheers Bjenks (talk) 10:53, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

You said on my talk page The professors are certainly notable enough to sustain separate articles so therefore according to you there would be no problems creating articles. As for good faith, it is not based on your interpretation on whether or not I have answered your questions to your satisfaction, that is not a measure of good faith. I could have easily ignored your comments and not replied at all. I don't believe every name on a school list has to have an article for example, being a Supreme Court Judge (which is a very high honour achieved by few), however, there needs to be evidence that a professor is more than ordinary. that is not necessarily existence of an article but perhaps several citations of notability or achievement. Michellecrisp (talk) 13:24, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I put this on that woman's talk page :: Your edits to HBHS alumni are unconstructive. I "know" that all the people in the list were there (becasue I was and have the school annual magazines from the 1960s to prove it. But I am sure you not regard them as "independent". I do not know why you delete Darrel Chapman. As a former captain of South Sydney and a Kangaroo tourist he is certainly notable and then there is his subsequent significant academic career. I will revert most of your changes. I am sure that you will appreciate that the verifiable independent citations take months to acquire - as they did for Bob Debus and Rod Howie. Please do not revert good faith edits that are included for illumination Albatross2147 (talk) 23:55, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

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 * ''Thanks for this relevant contribution. To aid open and comprehensive discussion on the whole subject, I have copied it to The relevant Talk page and will continue in that space. Bjenks (talk) 23:07, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Please do not use talk pages for general discussion of the topic. They are for discussion related to improving the article. They are not to be used as a forum or chat room. See here for more information. More relates to your inappropriate reposting of user messages in violation of WP:TALK to achieve WP:POINT. Michellecrisp (talk) 00:35, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
 * The above contribution [originally posted as a new section "September 28"] "pertains to the section "Homebush Boys", to which I have reinstated it on my Talk page. I reject your apparent asssumption that you have authority over my freedom to contribute reasonably to Wikipedia, and your resort to formal bureaucracy to curtail open discussion of your perceived unacceptable and destructive style of editing. Please desist from your antagonistic behaviour and acknowledge my good faith as a contributor to Wikipedia.Bjenks (talk) 00:52, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
 * You have every freedom to contribute to Wikipedia as long as you adhere to guidelines. Reposting a user warning on an article talk page to illustrate a point is a violation of WP:TALK. suggest you also read WP:KETTLE. Michellecrisp (talk) 00:57, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Game over, M. I don't have time for this and have withdrawn from editing Homebush Boys High School. However, I see that you are now doing a very good job on it&mdash;Congrats! Cheers Bjenks (talk) 01:34, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

FYI
Thanks for helping out with the Rockingham ones. :) I didn't have time to check the neighbour boxes, except on articles which didn't already have them or where I was personally sure the existing ones were wrong. If you see anything else that needs fixing (including coords, as I simply used Geoscience Australia's), feel free.

In case you're wondering, my mass editing spree is designed to fix WA's compliance with changing technical standards for WP geographic articles, as well as some issues with recent filling of the IAP template not entirely in line with its intended use. It's a horribly boring job but someone's got to do it, and in a few days we'll be the only state fully in compliance on every place geographic article. Orderinchaos 02:55, 10 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Actually, I'm overburdened and frantically pruning my watchlist to essentials, but trying to fix some obvious things on departure. Cheers Bjenks (talk) 03:13, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah, no worries. (I can relate, I'm presently trying to get no less than 13 assignments done in a limited time frame :| ) Good luck with it. Orderinchaos 03:38, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

1975
Can you take a screenshot? I'm mystified... Timeshift (talk) 14:03, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

You use IE - my deepest condolences :) Refer to the discussion i've raised here. Thanks. Timeshift (talk) 04:53, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Keating and co image
Re, is it possible for you to date it, or as close to as possible? Ta. Timeshift (talk) 05:12, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I've added 1979-80 to the file, which is an educated guess. Somewhere I have the documentation to date it to within a month, but can't look for it now. The pic was taken at a BBQ held by Pam Buchanan in the days of the Fraser government. I was there under my contract to write and publish the monthly newsletter for Cliffs-Robe River, which I did from 1977 to 1980. (On this occasion, I was also informally advising these guys on a more productive campaign strategy for the local state seat--which Pam eventually won!) Keating was then opposition spokesperson on (from memory) the north-west and minerals/energy. I'll try and look up the publication date when I get back from Canberra in 10 days' time. Cheers Bjenks (talk) 06:28, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

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unintentionally bad edits
I'm not sure what's going wrong for you at 1975 Australian constitutional crisis, but you've again increased the file size massively (33,685 bytes to 58,350 bytes). I'll leave you to fix it this time :) The best thing I can suggest is to do a "compare" before saving your changes, then afterwards go to the history and see if the file size has grown substantially. You're not editing from a Blackberry or some other handheld are you? I've seen them mangle files, perhaps due to the poor edit facilities on them. Peter Ballard (talk) 05:34, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmm. Sorry again, Peter. I'll fix and come back another time. I've just changed my browser, but don't see how that couls affect things. Cheers Bjenks (talk) 05:54, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

December 2007 federal election?
Oops! Timeshift (talk) 08:16, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

New maps
Nothing to do with me, just some clever people out there working hard. The work has already been done, the page just needs a refresh. Go into edit any page with the old map, and then save without making any changes. Ta-Dah, lovely new Welshy map. FruitMonkey (talk) 10:40, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Tommy Farr? Yeah, first thing I picked up when I logged on. It's a great shot. I also appreciated the tidy up, there was far too much opinion and flowery lanaguage in the old article. FruitMonkey (talk) 11:03, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Ocean liner
Please stop your changes to the article until there is consensus on the talk page about them. Also, I'd appreciate it if you'd bring this up at WT:SHIPS so other like-minded editors have a chance to comment since they all might not watch this particular article. -MBK004 04:56, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Have done, but please can we discuss openly on the article talk page Bjenks (talk) 05:43, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I intend to discuss this matter there on the talk page. Right now I'm tried, it's close to midnight where I am and I'm going to bed. I'll respond more, hopefully after others have responded, when I wake up. -MBK004 05:49, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Rhys Davies
You're right that plays should be in italics, but short stories should be in quotation marks; see Manual of Style (titles). Regards, Espresso Addict (talk) 06:08, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for pointing this out. Cheers Bjenks (talk) 06:57, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Democrats
No, you're completely correct - Jones was an MLC. I've fixed it. Frickeg (talk) 06:47, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Heheh
Yes I knew one of spikes family and the stories - suprised someone hasnt written a novel with all the cops complicit tied in - would make all the beamish button and mickleburg stuff look like playground stuff SatuSuro 03:12, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

File:1978Carina.jpg
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Fixed Group problem
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Toyota Carina clean-up
I just cleaned up the Carina because an anonymous user went on a wikilinking spree and noticed there were some sentences that needed tightening up. The article seems to have been written from a UK market perspective first, which becomes complicated because the Toyota Carina became a Japanese market only car and in Europe the Carina name was given to the Toyota Corona starting with the Corona T150 model. The car is a large family car from a EuroNCAP perspective and going back by generations. Unfortunately, even the European authority on automotive safety still classifies cars by attrition rather than any specific definition. In that sense, the Carina and Corona are large family cars because that's what the current European market Avensis is, and the Avensis (which replaced the Carina E) is a Ford Mondeo/VW Passat competitor. As for references, I'm sorry but I really can't help. The Japanese Suzuki and Honda have history pages which I have used as references in the past, but for Toyota I can't find more specific information. --Pc13 (talk) 10:36, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Re: Bravo!
Thank you for your kind words. Also many thanks for pointing out the possible system for indicating page numbers; I will see how it looks next time I write an article featuring many pages from a single source, as in this case. As for the Canning Vale plant, it's not really my field of interest. :) I actually hate beer. With a vengeance. I prefer writing about architectural history, partially because it's easy to write about once you have all the sources. - Mark 07:27, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Re: David Edgar
When citing references I think the elements should be listed from left to right in the order in which they are important to the reader. The very first thing the reader wants to know is, "is this a reliable source?" so citing the newspaper or magazine first is appropriate; knowing it is the Sunday Times is way more important than knowing it was written by Beverly Storton, in my opinion. I think it polite to include the author's name, and the date so that the reader can determine if the reference is still relevant (in some contexts a newer reference might be preferred). Restrictions of space mean that not much else can generally be included and I personally think the name of the specific article is introducing unecessary clutter; the reader does not need to know the name of the article to determine the relevance of the source. They are my reasons for doing it the way I do. If you have specific reasons for doing it some other way then let's have a discussion because I am always willing to learn.

Your second point, that it is, "Best just use the Wiki system of italicising" has been made before. But no one has ever been able to define "best" in a way that makes sense to me. Why is it best and for whose definition of "best"? Cottonshirt (talk)


 * You have probably forgotten this conversation and moved on, but I have been thinking about this quite a lot. The style I use is called HTML, which is the same style we use for inline citations and for references and sources. The style you advocate is - I believe - called Wiki Style, which we can think of as being a different language for instructing browsers how to display text. What possible rationale could there be for using two different languages in the same article? That would be like having an English Wikipedia in which we always use Swedish words for foods; how bizarre would that be?
 * You said you were going to look into this subject, as per policies and such. I found the Manual of Style says that where a conflict occurs, adhere to the style adopted by the first major contributor. Which seems polite.  Cottonshirt  τ   06:49, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Agreed. I style my edits as a matter of habit, but don't view many of them as worthy of dispute. I, too, have thought of it occasionally--between more pressing exercises. I fully agree that consistency is an overriding principle. In Wikipedia, that has to mean consistency within an article. Cheers Bjenks (talk) 07:16, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Following your reply to my talk page. I merely said I was an editor of, I never claimed ownership of. It was you who found it necessary to put the word "your" in inverted commas, thereby attempting to give the word emphasis it does not deserve. This is an argument technique known as changing the subject. The point is that neither you nor Reedy have any interest in the article whatsoever beyond the pointless amendment of the mark-up style. You claim, "...the overriding principle is surely the effect on the total population of editors." when I have already quoted the Manual of Style which says the overriding principle is that style should be applied consistently within guidelines. Your claimed "overriding principle" is nothing of the sort; it is just your personal preference. You then quote a help page which is neither a guideline nor a policy or principle, it is merely some help for new editors to get them started; it has no weight in this discussion. I also find it extremely interesting that you are watching my actions sufficiently closely to know when I post a comment on another user's talk page. I also wonder whether you read the article on ownership to which you provided the link. Did you notice where it says, "it is important to consider whether a desirable result could be obtained by working with the editor" rather than trying to impose your opinion on someone else by needlessly amending the markup style for no perceivable benefit on an article in which you have no other interest.  Cottonshirt  τ   07:03, 6 March 2009 (UTC)


 * For ease I refer to your numbered points.
 * 4) I do not recall having offered any views, gratuitous or otherwise, on your motives. All I can think of is that I have twice referred to you having no interest in the article. This is not a reference to your knowledge of or familiarity with its topic, merely that you are not actively involved in editing it. You have no editorial interest, you are not pushing an agenda in order to get the article to reflect your preferred sources.
 * 6) Wikipedia policies and guidelines have both a strength and a weakness in that they refuse to be definitive. They often leave it open by saying that although something can be done in a particular way, there is no diktat that it must be done that way. This permits the unforeseen occasion to be dealt with sensibly by consensus, for the exception to be treated intelligently while the majority follow the rules. When editors come to discuss those rules they (or at least I) seem to end up wandering aimlessly from one window of opportunity to another, seeking in vain some assurance that what we do is correct, or at least not blatantly wrong. It's the old, "he who hesitates is lost" v "look before you leap" scenario, where any rule you quote can be outed by some counter-rule. I think the thing to do is to remain focused on the point of the exercise; to improve the encyclopedia. Changing markup does not do that in any meaningful way, adding well-sourced text to articles does.  Cottonshirt  τ   11:17, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, it's all about conscientious improvement of the information. Thanks for the acknowledgment that one can have an interest in a subject without interpolation of a personal agenda via selective use of sources, etc. Where there is goodwill, differences can identified and resolved in discussion without undue friction. Cheers Bjenks (talk) 00:21, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Melodrama
I've made this an Rfc. Reg. -- Klein zach  05:15, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Good. I referred it to A mediator, so let's see if anything useful happens. Bjenks (talk) 08:36, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

RE: Onan
You asked me to reconsider the link I made. I'm still considering it. :-)

I don't like linking to anchors; unlike page renames, anchor links break silently, and people don't seem to be inclined to fix them. I had noticed the link-to-an-anchor already in the article, and decided to link to the disambig page while keeping the other link as it is, hoping that maybe someone (not me) might feel like creating a separate page for Onan-the-company. I can dream.

This has been a back-burner concern of mine, obviously; maybe there's even a relevant guideline for that sort of thing. I still haven't checked, but I feel it's about time I acknowledged your comment: yeah, I'm thinking about it.

Would linking Onan (company) and then redirecting that to the anchor kill kittens? I suspect it would.

I might call the anchor thing a pet peeve if I hadn't waffled on it for so long; yeah, I'm definitely bikeshedding. If you care to change the link, I won't object. jhf (talk) 12:51, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Brett Stewart
Hi Bjenks - the different spellings of judgement in the Brett Stewart article are a result of direct quotes from the sources. I have removed the s from the first instance of judgement as I missed that the first time. Cheers, and nice to meet another West Australian.  florrie  05:59, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Translation tag
I don't think a translation tag is needed, simply where an article happens to have one better image than is in en.wiki. (And in any event, neither strikes me as clearly superior to the other.) Both of the images you mention are categorized correctly on the commons, so anyone looking for images to improve the article would be able to find them by browsing the Commons' images. In cases like this (especially for media, where a language ability is not needed to move content from one wiki to another), I think it is better that people are just aware as a general matter that they can look to other wikis to see what their articles look like. Calliopejen1 (talk) 11:35, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Of course, you're free to re-add the translation tag. I think probably the best approach would be just to mention the specific image on the talk page without the addition of the tag. Calliopejen1 (talk) 11:36, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't think there's any policy. I think it would be good as a general matter (for WP:V) to add machine translations. Maybe it would be best if a bilingual Wikipedian could verify that the translation is decent as a general matter. You may be interested in Google translation, which is designed for this purpose. (Google translate generally does a better job than Babelfish in my view, and it supports many more languages.) Calliopejen1 (talk) 01:56, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Finish creating Articles for deletion/Republican Liberty Caucus??
Page not created yet. FYI CarolMooreDC (talk) 16:19, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Bertha Benz
Thank you so much, dear Bjenks, for improving the article on Bertha Benz. Unfortunately my English is not so good. My wife Frauke and I are the founders of Bertha Benz Memorial Route de:Bertha Benz Memorial Route, because we want to honor the pioneer deeds of that great lady. Do you know anybody who can translate our article into English, as well as our article on Automuseum Dr. Carl Benz de:Automuseum Dr. Carl Benz and put it in the English Wikipedia? Thank you for your advice!--Edgar Meyer (talk) 21:15, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Re: My "infantile vandalistic edits"
Please. Assuming that my edits are vandalism, when you don't know the topic at hand is infantile itself.

I changed Harry Hooton "Things you see when you haven't got a gun" to the true reference "Things you see when you haven't cot a gun", which is correct, and as per the only real web-reference to his life http://www.takver.com/history/hooton_bio.htm. All the 'gun' references you will find on the internet are either from wikipedia, or where unknowing writers have auto-corrected the title as you have.... and completely missed the point... also like you have Miscreant (talk) 20:51, 19 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Okay. I apologise. I have never seen the actual book myself, as I assume you have not (it indeed was never a high production run), but have heard it refered to as "cot" myself. Perhaps It was published under both names. Perhaps I am completely wrong, I am not sure. I will leave the article as it is now, but I still strongly object to the agressive nature and tone you take in this discussion. Wikipedia is a place to at least treat others with some courtesy... Miscreant (talk) 17:51, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

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Morris Marshal
This is a bit of a long shot, but can you think of anything interesting to say (write) about the Morris Marshal? And please. Charles01 (talk) 19:43, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Geoffrey Lehmann
I don't know if that bit of information about Robert Hughes is necessarily relative to Geoffrey Lehmann's Australian Poet page - it's a bit indulgent/nostalgic. Conceded it does concern poetry, but I would suggest that it properly belongs on some sort of Sydney Exposures page. What do you think? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Haroldlehmann (talk • contribs) 13:20, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Reply at enquirer's talk page. See also article talk page. -- Bjenks (talk) 10:07, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Local politics
It's one of the worst parts of town articles, not just in Wales but elsewhere too. Go in yourself and remove this type of information. Please remove any local politics (you know in your gut what is valid), references to how beautiful the vistas are or (my own personal bugbear) lists of shops in the area. We have so few Welsh hawks that I would rather you exercise your right to edit, and worry about fall out later. Good hunting. FruitMonkey (talk) 18:59, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

re:Trivia
I removed it as according to this guideline, what I will do is ask you to read whatever linked and give you a week to think whether it is worth keeping that trivia, IMO, I don't really think it is really worth keeping. Donnie Park (talk) 14:57, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

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 * I concur with deletion of this, together with any derivative versions made by other Wikipedians. It's a scan, and the original photographer is unknown. Bjenks (talk) 03:54, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Ring Scandal
sorry forgot ref, have added it now, can dig up others as well if necessary 78.144.37.201 (talk) 13:23, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Er, your citation is to another website carrying the same material without substantiation. . . Have to come up with something better--check out WP:V. The requirement is for "reliable, third-party published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy". Cheers Bjenks (talk) 13:40, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
 * The ref is to the most authoritative boxing site on the web, another ref I have is the 1980s publication "Tonight's Boxing Program and Weekly Newsletter" but I don't know how to add a ref to it ? 78.144.37.201 (talk) 15:03, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I have another web ref from Time Magazine http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,918922,00.html but I wouldn't trust their boxing reporting to be as accurate as boxrec.com 78.144.37.201 (talk) 15:22, 11 May 2009 (UTC)