User talk:Bjenks/Archive2

Proposed deletion of Tim Johnston, businessman
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 * Reply: I have to say I resent the application of a delete proposal only 7 minutes after I created the article as a stub. As a result, my very first revision encountered an edit conflict! Be that as it may, I will not be contesting the deletion. I am not the sole judge, nor even a significant judge of notability in WP :). Cheers Bjenks (talk) 04:01, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

95%
I didn't really care too much, i just got annoyed that someone was cite tagging something that I knew to be true and wasn't contentious, so i did a quick google. Feel free to get a better ref if you so wish :) Timeshift (talk) 06:50, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

The Queen
I would never put Prime Minster Tony Blair but always Tony Blair the Prime Minister [of Great Britain] because it is not a title but a job description. Why do you use capitals for Regicide but not for the King? I put capital in there because we are not talking about any old king but using it as a shortening of a full name and title King Charles I, King Charles II or whatever. In the case of the Commissioners, we are not talking about any old bunch of commissioners who topped a king, but to "the Parliamentary Commissioners who topped the King" which are the subjects ObjectsLess confusing ;-) of the article. I think that this article would look strange if it used a lowercase queen but kept uppercase "Prince Philip". As to this specific article, I have used capitals in a similar way to that used by Kirby, a major source, notice he writes "execution of a king is a remarkable event in the history of any nation" but uses King when referring to "the King" and "Commissioners" when referring to "the [Parliamentary] Commissioners" --PBS (talk) 08:21, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

FYI, I was wrong about where the advise on intermediate citations is. It is not in WP:V but in the WP:CITE guideline see WP:CITE. --PBS (talk) 11:54, 14 May 2009 (UTC)


 * What I meant by title is I find it ironic that the US constitution has the clause "No title of nobility shall be granted by the United States..." yet they use the job description Senator and President in a way similar to the way noble titles are used in the UK "President Obama", "Senator Kennedy", "Ex President Carter" and many American sources do the same with the job description Prime Minister, "Prime Minster Brown". It is next to never done in the UK for jobs like that of the Prime Minster and is seen as an Americanism. --PBS (talk) 19:02, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Dorothy
Knew her quite well due to a range of things - good to see youre doing something on her SatuSuro 06:43, 19 May 2009 (UTC) More I think of it a long coffee/other varieties is overdue - at your leisure - sometime - I think we might have known a few in common over the years :) SatuSuro 01:47, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

who?
I never made any contributions to "My Classic Car". A.B. Moon (talk) 23:26, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Kerr
I replied on my Talk page (I prefer to keep discussions in one place, if that's OK). Peter Ballard (talk) 06:07, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

I have replied
Replied here. Pdfpdf (talk) 12:04, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Didn't get around to replying (TAFE work :|) - thanks for the nice note on my talk page. I redid my edit, not modifying yours otherwise. Orderinchaos 23:49, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Orthographies and dyslexia Merged to Dyslexia research
I have reverted your merger, which completely went against the consensus of the Articles for deletion/Orthographies and dyslexia. The discussion regarding this article takes place on the Talk:Orthographies and dyslexia including editors from other disciplines who are trying to develop this article and waht happens to this article is not the result of discussions on Talk:Orthography.

The members of the WikiProject Dyslexia are always open to discuss a wide range of issues regarding the whole new series of dyslexia project sub articles and their future development, especially with multi-discipline editors from other areas of specialist knowledge that relates to the greater understanding of dyslexia, and help us explain the some of the basics of the specialist area which we need to include in our articles to explain the wider issues to those interested in dyslexia especially these who have dyslexia and are trying to discover a better understanding of their problems. dolfrog (talk) 09:15, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Technical question
Hi. I'm puzzled. Why is File:Jamoe.jpg black & white, but File:Combe.jpg sepia? Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 13:19, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I shot the original group on Tri-X (b/w film) for a local paper. Years later I made a (digital) sepia version from a scanned print. For Combe, I may have edited a cropped version just to make it look better. Someone else edited this Jamoe crop. I can't check my files right now, being overseas for a few weeks. Cheers, Bjenks (talk) 07:05, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Is it my imagination, or is the cropped photo "grainier" than the original? Pdfpdf (talk) 11:19, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

More on Combe photo
Yes, these two edits (1 & 2) are an improvement - perhaps I should have put the comments on the talk page in the first place. Thanks, Pdfpdf (talk) 11:00, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Gareth Evans
Please Excuse me if this is not the place to talk about Gareth Evans. I have just concluded referencing a number of needs citation on this page to do with Evans' involvement with East Timor and Indonesia. Please don't delete the item on Evan's failed attempt at the Secretary General's position until you have read the speech by John Pilger, I have cited. Please, please help us. Having known Gareth Evans (since 1986) as I do he may just make another run at a later time. This information which is already on the public record may make a difference. 219.133.65.222 (talk) 05:41, 15 October 2009 (UTC) Dilidoug


 * OK, No--best talk about Gareth Evans on the relevant Talk page. I've reposted your request there. Cheers Bjenks (talk) 15:08, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Raffles Hotel, Perth
Have started the article with all the early history (have to go through and insert references) but have only got up to the time of redevelopment. Dan arndt (talk) 01:43, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Combe
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:David_Combe&curid=20207528&diff=324088336&oldid=324065376

Oh dear. I don't want to get involved in a "How many angels on the head of a pin?" discussion.

What was there, was there for a reason, and served a purpose.

Your reasons are probably quite justifiable, but really, I have no interest in arguing about it.

I have been quite supportive of your POV, no doubt because, largely, it matches mine.

However, if you are going to get fussy, I'm just going to piss off and leave you to it.

Never-the-less, I'd like it noted that, to date, I've enjoyed working with you, and wish you well.

Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 15:10, 5 November 2009 (UTC)


 * I was just looking at the issues and had no idea any of that was your stuff, or anyone else's. I really can't see it as "fussy" to ditch unhelpful citations. Just sorry I seem to have hurt your feelings. Nothing of the sort was intended. Cheers Bjenks (talk) 15:19, 5 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Double "Oh dear"! No, you haven't "hurt my feelings". It's late. I'll write a less ambiguous reply when it's daylight, saying more definitively what I'm reacting to. (Obviously, I didn't think the quotes were "unhelpful" ... ) But I don't really see that this is a matter to get "twisted nickers" about, and I apologise for making it sound otherwise. The poorly stated point I was unsuccessfully trying to make was ... Well I'll perhaps drop it, or make it at another time. In the meantime, Sorry to have made a fuss. Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 15:44, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Florence
No no, I don't mean promoting tourism, I mean to include a section on tourism. Since Florence is one of the world's greatest art capitals, it is suprising that the article is so short! The section gives people a brief way to know the museums of the city. I think it's good and helpful

What I think would be useful to the article is a total re-write of the page to make it similar or an exact translated version of the Italian version. I know everyone says wikipedia is about quality not quantity, but I'm not keen on having a page of one of the world's most important cultural centres being under 80,000 bytes (I aim for it to be around 100-110,000 bytes, like the Italian version)

However, I disagree with your 'duplication' story. You say that there are three Boboli Garden sections (in your message), however, I see only one, the one I created. Anyway, the Italian wiki is just like that

Please reply as soon as possible

--Theologiae (talk) 13:55, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Ok, I agree in a way...
Yes, but I'm not being now too radical about the Florence article. When I mean it needs a total re-write, I don't mean to cancel the whole article and start again, since that would be highly selfish. I mean to totelly re-write the landmarks/culture section, not deleting info, but carrying some extra info from the Italian wiki. Also, I know what you mean by Italians giving an overly enthusiastic and colloquial spin to their articles, however some of the 'promotional' info included in the Italian version which I have translated has been slightly neutralized. Anyway, good work and cheers! Please reply as soon as possible!--Theologiae (talk) 17:51, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Yes brief and prose, but also detailed...
Yes, I agree, prose should be used, but info should not be deleted. Just put lists into prose. Also, I agree with you that encyclopedia articles have to be quick, but also detailed and long (simple english is used for a brief summary of the topic), since wikpedia is a serious encyclopaedia, not a quick and simply easy-to read holiday brochure. Cheers--Theologiae (talk) 20:24, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Studebaker
You asked about my recent Studebaker edits, and I should warn you that the information I included was only a VERY minor part of what is a long and convoluted story, gleaned from years of studying numerous books on Studebaker's history, as well as newspapers and magazines published around the time Studebaker closed the South Bend factories in 1963-64.

The purchase of Studebaker's General Products Division by Kaiser Jeep Corporation happened in the summer of 1964, largely through the work of then-Congressman John Brademas, who represented South Bend and the surrounding area for many years.

The "Committee of 100," a group of businessmen and civic leaders in South Bend, sought to find a "savior," if you will, a large employer or more than one, indeed, to take over the empty factories and, more importantly, utilize the great number of unemployed workers whom Studebaker had left behind.

At the time of Studebaker's closure, Brademas was aware that the company had two large government contracts, and he lobbied President Johnson and the Defense Department very hard to find a way to keep the contracts in South Bend. As a Congressman, Brademas also had a great many contacts in the business community, a resource which he would call upon in this instance.

This is where Kaiser Jeep Corporation comes in. A part of the empire of Henry J. Kaiser, known as the builder of Liberty ships and Hoover Dam, Kaiser Jeep was building civilian vehicles and numerous military and postal vehicles -- legacies of its 1953 buyout of Willys-Overland -- but the company needed additional manufacturing capacity, as the aging Jeep factories in Toledo, Ohio, couldn't meet demand.

Studebaker's comparatively modern (built for aircraft engine production during WWII) Chippewa Avenue plant, on the south side of South Bend, had abundant capacity. It also came with a product already in place that all but guaranteed fat profits for Kaiser: The Reo-designed 6x6 trucks that Studebaker had built off-and-on since the early '50s. The trucks were simple in design and simple to manufacture, as the tooling had long ago been paid for.

Kaiser brought several thousand workers back, although I've not been able to determine an exact number. Nor have I been able to determine how much Kaiser paid for the plants, but since it was considered a vital defense purchase by the Johnson administration, I would not be surprised to learn that it was subsidized by the U.S. government, at least to a point.

By 1969, Kaiser Jeep Corporation's Defense and Government Products Division, by this time based mainly in the South Bend facilities, was bringing in the largest portion of the company's profits. I've seen sources all over the map on this, but I believe the most credible estimates were 70% or more. In other words, if Kaiser hadn't purchased Studebaker's plant and put a large number of people back to work, Kaiser Jeep would have had several very lean years in the late '60s.

Indeed, domestic civilian vehicle sales of Jeeps (regular, pickup and Wagoneer models) had fallen off dramatically beginning in about 1966-67. Kaiser was losing interest. Around this time, American Motors executives approached Kaiser about buying the Jeep business, but were rebuffed.

In 1970, however, the Kaiser family decided the time had come at last to divest themselves of their automotive holdings, and AMC won the whole thing -- lock, stock and barrel.

The new General Products Division of American Motors Corporation, however, had one major problem. Kaiser really didn't distinguish it from the rest of Kaiser Jeep Corporation, despite its fancy title. Therefore, AMC really couldn't get much of a handle on how much profit or loss from the Jeep division actually came from government production!

To fix this problem, AMC split GPD off as a separate but wholly-owned subsidiary named -- you guessed it -- AM General Corporation.

The Humvee folks. Of course, that came later.

AM General, as you can read in its article, had to be sold in the early 1980s after Renault purchased controlling interest in AMC. At that time, the U.S. government would not allow foreign ownership of a defense contractor. I am not sure if that is still the case today.

I hope this clears up some things for you. If you have any other questions, please do let me know. —Preceding unsigned comment added by JNewkirk77 (talk • contribs) 08:40, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

I get what you're saying. I'll have to do some searching; if what I've added gets deleted before I can get what I'm looking for, I'll re-insert it as soon as I have what I need. It will take some time, as I'm disabled and no longer have the ability to quickly mobilize myself for travel to libraries where such info can be retrieved. JNewkirk77 (talk) 09:41, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Les Murray and Les Murray
Good afternoon Bjenks!

Thank you for your message - most sincerely appreciated.

Mea culpa. I did not notice that user:203.16.173.17 had switched Murrays on 15 February 2008, in the edit immediately before I added the link to Ted Matthews on 15 March 2008. My only consolation is that all the subsequent editors also didn't notice.

In the circumstances I would think it only fair that you, who picked this up when so many others did not, should make and get the credit for the correction.

On a personal note, I think it's high time that Paul Kelly (no, not that Paul Kelly, and no, not that Paul Kelly} was recognised as an Australian Living Treasure... but that is, of course, for the National Trust to decide.

Thank you again, --Shirt58 (talk) 09:04, 11 December 2009 (UTC) (nb: no, not that Shirt 58)

Michal Morey
I used to have the book "For Rooks and Ravens:The Execution of Michal Morey of Arreton in 1737" years ago. It is more of a pamphlet and published by Isle of Wight Museum Publicatios- author K.S. Phillips. The IOW Museum contact details are; Guildhall, High Street,Newport, Isle of Wight, PO30 1TY, 01983 823366 Thank you very much for your appreciation. I'll have a look at improving it.--Streona (talk) 16:23, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Paddy O'Brien
Ping. –Moondyne 04:27, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Unreferenced BLPs
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Surveyor Generals Corner
Hello, officially there are now NO geographical names anywhere in Australia using the PA (some references can be wrong). This was the very last of the apostrophised Australian articles which I recently corrected, I just had to make sure the name was official before doing so - see. So, if you ever see a road, street, hill, creek or any other such within Australia with an apostrophe in its name you may remove without further checking (unless a book title, quote or perhaps historical naming reference). Pity about the map on the article, but I will get that corrected shortly. Regards (Crusoe8181 (talk) 05:40, 12 February 2010 (UTC)).

Cynwyl Elfed
I think they could be talking about the same place. I can't find anything for Conwyl Efed, and another rail article, Carmarthen and Cardigan Railway names the location as Conwil. I have found these photos of a derelict station at Cynwyl Elfed, and, though I'm finding it difficult to work out how such a small community got their own station. Maybe it was just en route? FruitMonkey (talk) 09:54, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Democrats howler
Hi. Someone edited this comment into the Australian Democrats article here around December 22 last when I wasn't watching. <! Greatest respect to Don Chipp, but he wasn't a Senator>. The uninformed editor created some unfortunate errors which stood in Wikipedia for three months until I corrected them yesterday and today. I'm surprised you didn't pick it up when working on the section. Cheers Bjenks (talk) 08:21, 2 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Upon reflection that mistake, unfortunately, is mine. My understanding when I made that edit, when the party was formed and he assumed the leadership of the party he was the member for Hotham. I do remember discovering the error and fixing, but obviously I only did it for one table, and not the other. I do assume you've correct the error? Paul ( Paul Roberton (talk)) 09:04, 2 April 2010 (UTC)


 * If you look at the page's history, you'll see that I've corrected the leadership list (including some other errors found thereon) and the list of senators. I also checked a list of state/territory parliamentarians and found some missing. I'm not sure where else to look for related errors, though I have checked out Don Chipp and added a link to his parliamentary biography. The facts are clearly spelt out there. In the circumstances, I regret that I stopped watching the page, conceding to an inexperienced editor that my view must be biased. If you wish to promote a resurgence of the party, I would advise that you and your friends are also ipso facto biased and that Wikipedia is not the place to do it. In any event, you should forbear to restructure the party's past unless you have very sound evidence. Best wishes and cheers Bjenks (talk) 10:33, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

From what I understand you are a learned man and that you have a long association with the party and that is something I respect. I shall remain civil, and ask that you have a closer look at the article history and the talkpage. I haven't touched it in months. I made no change to the content, I merely formatted it. I declared my membership, (and I was just a rank and file member until Monday) and began consulting other editors. Consult user:Timeshift9 if you like.I completely backed away from the article. For the record I've never met the national president. She wouldn't know me from a bar of soap. If you continue to show an interest in the article, it is in good hands. Perhaps we all would have been better off to have you around, I would have liked to have learnt more about the party from you. For the moment though, while you may not consider it berating, that is how it felt. My regards, Paul 14:30, 2 April 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Proberton (talk • contribs)

Joseph Jenkins
Thanks for that. I am no expert on the formatting of references - it just looked a bit strange the way it was. Are you related to him? Deb (talk) 10:52, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, that's great. I only heard about him last Friday evening in a talk at Cowbridge History Society and it intrigued me.  Now he has an entry at Welsh wikipedia as well (though it's still a lot shorter than it ought to be)! Deb (talk) 15:18, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Richard Appleton
These are the specific items that came from SMH obituary -

where he was a devotee of John Anderson and co-edited an issue of the annual Arna. In the 1980s Appleton edited the Australian content of the Encyclopaedia Britannica.

It is unfortunate a search does not produce the article on net (I have a hard copy) Many SMH obituaries are accessible even years later but not this one! (unless one subscribes to archives)

This part of original article I query -

He also attended and graduated from a Melbourne teachers' college in about 1958. Where did that come from? Not in SMW —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.189.34.20 (talk) 20:08, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Enquiry for Mr Bjenks
Can I use this page to raise matters that puzzle me/ 1 I read that thousands of editors had recently deserted Wikipedia. Is that the reason why my various additions of late are basically unchallenged (with you being the exception) whereas 2 years ago I consider I was harshly dealt with? At one point I was accused of being a hoaxer even though I provided rock solid references! The particular editor targetting me appears to have disappeared. 2 In respect of (say) a SMH obituary, is it acceptable to basically transfer the material to a new site as long as the source is acknowledged. If not, how much transfer is acceptable given that may be the only source? Hope you can assist. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.189.34.20 (talk) 12:20, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I really don't know what you're driving at. If you are serious, why not register as a regular editor? Yes, the culture of WP is mutable, as is the natural environment generally. Yes, disappointed editors are free to leave. (What you say you've read is news to me, btw.) I know that thousands of others (myself included) have recently made substantial cash donations to keep Wikipedia alive and kicking. By all means, do whatever you want if you need to see whether I and others will accept it. Tally ho, and Cheers Bjenks (talk) 13:39, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

Mr Bjenks, I do hope you did not misunderstand my query. It was a genuine enquiry. I was not "driving" at anything other than enlightment. It was prompted by the fact that what I perceived to be savage editing of 2 years ago suddenly ceases when I resume contributing after long absence. That combined with what I assure you was a lengthy media report about 3 months ago to the effect that the integrity of Wikipedia had been compromised by the departure, and non-replacement, of a large number of editors who track additions/alterations. The report actually said "tens of thousands" but I think that referred to a global basis. Of course a journalist may have been engaged in alarmist news creation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.189.34.20 (talk) 22:12, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

What an intriguing story - anyone from the media can concoct stories about WP and feel as though they have a story - we even have here in WA journos whose apparent whole motivation for involvement seems to be to find a story about the place/thing - nothing to do with balance or understanding :| -- I was popping in to say good stuff on the studebaker - pity the only ones I ever see these days always look sad and rusty... SatuSuro 01:57, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep it going mate - (we may indeed getting rusty) but hey - gotta let the youngns know what we used to drive, or maybe still do :) - cheers SatuSuro 02:24, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

RE: Your vandalism
Dude. Even if you do block my IP, I can easily change my IP and get back on. I've been banned from many things and yet I can still go on them. I can even change my MAc address. So fuck you =.="

Sydney Push
Glad you liked the quote. Thought it was a particularly evocative paragraph, so it's nice to see someone else agrees. Arthur Holland (talk) 10:50, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

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Leighton Hall, Powys
Hi. It seems that in this article you have referenced a Royal Forestry Society page which is now a dead link. I really just wanted to check the citation for an extraordinary 1890s guy who who commanded a ship known as the I.S.S. Enterprise. I see also that much of the content is unnecessarily duplicated in Leyland Cypress, so I've removed that bit from the Leighton Hall article. Hope that's OKwith you. Cheers Bjenks (talk) 09:42, 12 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the note. The ref was easily found on the rfs site via a Google "site:search" so I have updated. Also think you trimmed the cypress issue too much re how the first types of the species were named, which relates directly to the hall, so reinserted one para. Rgds, - Trident13 (talk) 10:49, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Rugby League
Rugby League has not tried to replace Rugby Union, it is a seperate unique game. By your same logic you would imply that American Football has failed to replace Rugby Union, and that Rugby Union has failed to replace Soccer. I don't see comments on those pages citing their failure, therefore this is an act of vandalism by union fans designed to humiliate and subjugate Rugby League. It is inappropriate for a neutral wikipedia article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mattdocbrown (talk • contribs) 22:16, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Wales
I have put the Wales article forward for GA status. It just needs tweaking, and maybe a heavy-handed swipe from outside to get it in place. I am writing to those who are constant contributors and defenders of Wales and Welsh articles, to not scream at me for doing this, but to help get the article through. If we fail, we fail, there is nothing wrong with that; but Wales should be a Good Article at least and if it takes good intentioned amateurs to reach that then so be it. FruitMonkey (talk) 01:26, 30 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks Bjenks. I'm sure you noticed that our first attempt at passing for GA status fialed, but massive reconstruction came off it. Wales is now sitting again in the GA cue, so we'll so what comes of that. I'll update you when it comes around again. FruitMonkey (talk) 07:51, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Nice to meet
a wikipedian who is not (1) a teenager (or younger) (2)in law school (or imagines that he/she is an attorney) or a PhD candidate (or feels that s/he should just be awarded one). I found another pseudodeco building but would like another opinon before I start editing. Check out the Oreanda Hotelif you are so inclined. Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 17:07, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
 * The wikipedia article on the hotel claims "The hotel is built in art deco style" - not that it was modified or something like that. And let's face it, the 1920s and 1930s in the Soviet Union (opinion) were not exactly known for that sort of upgrading. it is also listed on one of our art deco lists, but now I can't find it. oh well.  Carptrash (talk) 20:53, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

Thank you
Just a quick thank you for your diligent work trying to keep the appalling facts separated from even more appalling fictions at Firepower International. It is such an extraordinary case it really doesn't help to have people adding even more ridiculous embellishments! Regards, hamiltonstone (talk) 02:00, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Wales Lead
Please don't leave alone, all input is welcome. There is presently a discusion at User talk:Daicaregos/sandbox and any feedback and suggestions would be appreciated. I'm just one voice and we just want to make this as best an article as possible to gain GA status. Though you will notice that I will argue with myself if everyone else left the room. FruitMonkey (talk) 17:49, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Mardy Colliery
Hi. Just wondering how serious you are about "in 1873 Mordecai Jones from Brecon and now residing in Nantmelyn. . ." That makes him about 137 years old :) Your source gives the year as 1874 in one place, and 1873 in another. Wikipedia has Crawshay Bailey dying in 1872. What's going on here, old son? Cheers, Bjenks (talk) 10:43, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Hello Brian, pleased to make your acquaintance - I hope that this finds you well! I think (happy to be corrected) that the timeline works on this one as follows: Crawshay Bailey died in 1872, meaning that the lease takeover of the farm and development of the mine from 1874 seems correct. Secondly, a Mordecai Jones died in 1880 in Wales, aged 67; meaning that the takeover date to Locket's Merthyr Company around 1880 seems about right, and his age is within human bounds. Thoughts? I have adjusted the article to make it clearer as to why Lockett's took over the site. Best Regards, --Ian (talk) 17:54, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Aha! Good. I took the liberty of making this a lease (not sale). Also (in line with similar edits to Blantyre mining disaster), I've capitalised the pit names (because they're proper nouns) and also linked the article to the relevant UK disaster list. Cheers, Bjenks (talk) 09:36, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Studebaker
Dunkard_Brethren and associated references. This was the page that was linked from the Studebaker article and clearly the brothers could not have been members of that sect. Harry the Dog WOOF  17:12, 8 January 2011 (UTC)


 * You are confusing DunkERS with DunkARDS. The article claimed the Studebakers were DunkARDS, not DunkERS (which is a nickname for The Bretheren). They could not have been DunkARDS because that specific Bretheren sect was only founded in the 1920s. Therefore the article was not correct and I changed it to Bretheren (DunkERS). There may well be confusion (perpetuated in part by similar inaccurate use of terms on Wikipedia and in other sources that use the term DunkARD incorrectly) but to link to an article about a group that was founded in the 1920s and claim that people who died some years before its founding were members is a patent nonsense. Since there is no specific article on the Dunkers, I changed the link to Bretheren. I hope this clears it up. Harry the Dog WOOF  09:06, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Pedr Davis


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Studebaker
Dialogue copied from Harry the Dirty Dog's Talk page Hi. For your edit to stand, you must supply a sound citation for your assertion that They [the early Studebaker family] couldn't have been Dunkards as the sect was only founded in the 1920s.) I find here that the definition is "Church of the Brethren, Dippers, Dunkers - a Baptist denomination founded in 1708 by Americans of German descent; opposed to military service and taking legal oaths; practiced trine immersion" whatever that all means! Cheers, Bjenks (talk) 15:54, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Dunkard_Brethren and associated references. This was the page that was linked from the Studebaker article and clearly the brothers could not have been members of that sect. Harry the Dog WOOF  17:12, 8 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Thks for reply on my page. The WP article you rely on is itself poorly referenced, depending mainly on a current self-published "unofficial" website which is thus not a neutral or reliable source. Your edit is in conflict with the following third-party Indiana source:"Amos W. Bowman had married Emma Studebaker, the eldest daughter of Henry Studebaker, one of the founders of the Studebaker Wagon factory in South Bend. Clarence Bowman, their son, had a good position working for the Studebaker Wagon Works in South Bend. [N. Manchester Journal, May 2, 1901] The Bowmans were members of the German Baptist/Brethren Church, as was A.G. Lautzenhiser, and active in the affairs of the WCTU. [The Studebaker Family in America 1736-1976, Vol. 1, p. 418.] John Clement Studebaker had married Rebecca Mohler in 1820. Five sons were involved in the Studebaker business: Henry, Clement, John Mohler, Peter and Jacob. In 1858 Henry sold his share of the firm to younger brother J.M. Like his parents Henry was a member of the Dunkards having pacifist beliefs. He abstained from tobacco and liquor, and probably had mixed feelings about the governmental and military contracts entered into by the family firm. Although the family was raised as Dunkards (German Baptist), Henry’s brothers as adults joined other denominations: Clement (Methodist); J.M. (Presbyterian); Peter (Methodist); Jacob (Baptist)."

This seems to differentiate "German Baptist/Brethren" from "Dunkards (German Baptist)". It clearly locates Dunkers/Dunkards at times much earlier than any 1920s adaptation of the word. See also Being raised in the Dunker faith, Henry found it difficult to reconcile his pacifistic beliefs with providing supplies to soldiers.; and Henry returned to farming, remaining true to his Dunkard beliefs Cheers, Bjenks (talk) 04:39, 9 January 2011 (UTC)


 * You are confusing DunkERS with DunkARDS. The article claimed the Studebakers were DunkARDS, not DunkERS (which is a nickname for The Bretheren). They could not have been DunkARDS because that specific Bretheren sect was only founded in the 1920s. Therefore the article was not correct and I changed it to Bretheren (DunkERS). There may well be confusion (perpetuated in part by similar inaccurate use of terms on Wikipedia and in other sources that use the term DunkARD incorrectly) but to link to an article about a group that was founded in the 1920s and claim that people who died some years before its founding were members is a patent nonsense. Since there is no specific article on the Dunkers, I changed the link to Bretheren. I hope this clears it up. Harry the Dog WOOF  09:06, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Dunkards
You seem to keep missing my point. My concern is that there is only one article entitled Dunkard_Brethren on Wikipedia, and the Studebaker article wikilinked to that. Clearly it is patently absurb to claim the brothers had any connection with an organisation founded in the 1920s. In the absence of a generic "Dunkards" article there needs to be a different (or no) wikilink. That's why O made the change. Nothing to do with theology. Harry the Dog WOOF  12:14, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Maybe you didn't notice (as per the above copied sequence) but I let the issue drop after your post of 9 January. I really don't care what sect they belonged to and have no interest at all in religion or theology. I just keep seeing them referred to as 'Dunkards' in pre-1920s documents. However I also see this American sect stuff as a matter for Americans to sort out, and will continue to keep my nose out of it. Cheers, Bjenks (talk) 14:29, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

brand of bus
Hi sir. I uploaded. but I dont brand and model of this bus. can you help me to undrestand?Gire 3pich2005 (talk) 17:48, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
 * No, sorry, I don't know anything about that bus. It looks similar to others which I know were in service around 1910-1914, eg, the GWR (railway) buses on this page. Cheers, Bjenks (talk) 08:39, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

Tonypandy Riots
Right, the Attlee thing. I missed that. I should have remembered that as I wrote it. FruitMonkey (talk) 07:47, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

David Parker (WA)
Dear Sir, Having come across the article on WA Inc (which I researched in my undergraduate discipline) I note that David Parker has no entry. Is this something you and I might be able to remedy? -- Peter S Strempel Page &#124; Talk 09:03, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I would hope so. I have David 'Concealment' Parker on a list with Julian Grill and Joe Berinson for more work, painting them into WA Inc. My sources are a mountain of contemporary documents and newspaper clippings, access to which is awaiting my completion of more pressing projects. Other 'musts' include the good warriors Bevan Lawrence, Paddy O'Brien and Martyn Webb (for a start). If you have available sources, go to it and I'll join you later. Cheers, Bjenks (talk) 19:36, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

The O'Brien page is now as complete as the information I have to hand allows me to make it. Over to you for comments. Peter S Strempel Page &#124; Talk 07:42, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Looks great! Wait for me to add a couple of things, including a bibliography of his books. Then I suggest you put it straight up under the dab title Patrick O'Brien, author. I also have a copy of the WAY '79 'Who is Who' which sources some family and other info on Paddy, Cheers, Bjenks (talk) 15:22, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

(huge roar of derisive laughter concealed by typing only - WAY 79 whos who is the biggest piece of garbage ever to come out of WA (I have a copy too) - if it was submitted to wikipedia carte blanche (or should that be cate blanchet) - about 85% of entries would be dismissed under general WP encyclopediac principles and policies (having known David, Martyn, Paddy ( a few beers with etc) and others - they need their entries that is for sure - David's mum is far more interesting SatuSuro 15:06, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Never met Parker's mum but would agree 'twas the crimes were notable, not the person. Absolutely, the Hughes Who is 'unencyclopedic' and subjective (being self-written). It just has to plug a gap until better refs emerge. Its provenance actually looks fine to anyone who doesn't know Hal & Co. It lacks entries on a few notable people I've met, including Laurence Brodie-Hall, Sir Norman Brearley, Sir Paul Hasluck, Vincent Warrener, Bill Walker, W. W. (Bill) Mitchell OBE, Alastair Norwood, John Roberts, Joe Slattery, etc, etc.  However, Peter Weygers made it--need I say more! Cheers, Bjenks (talk) 03:24, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Exactly - some of the entries are so much wyalkatchem tuesday afternoon ladies bowling group I cannot believe em SatuSuro 10:39, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

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Paddy O'Brien
It occurred to me that discussing O'Brien under the heading David Parker was somehow almost profane. So I started this section instead. Thanks for the additions. It's beginning to look more like an article than a stub, so I will remove that template.

A point of style: I start everything on Wikipedia as 'British English' copy. In the Oxford Guide to Written English, in Fowler's, and in the Economist Style Guide, orthodoxy has it that quotations start with the single ', then move to the double for quote within quote. I note that in Wikipedia pages, even those tagged EN GB, double quotes seem to de-rigeur. I also note that you have used the double quotes. We shouldn't have both in the same article. Your opinions?

Once this issue is resolved, and subject to any further changes you may wish to make, I will upload the draft to the article name-space.

I did leave comment on the WA Inc page that feedback was sought, but you have been the only person from that location to respond to my initial inquiry anyway. Seems memory is as short-lived as interest in these matters.

Peter S Strempel Page &#124; Talk 00:24, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Re the quotes, you choose. I habitually use the newspaper style of singles within doubles, but I accept that the other way round is probably better in the 21st century, eg, (as Hart's notes at p 85, single quotation marks are easier to read on a screen.  In WP, I regard consistency within an article as more important than imposing any standard across articles, especially articles characteristically affected by British, US, Australia, etc, English usage.  Yeah, go ahead and upload the article. Should be safe as houses. Cheers, Bjenks (talk) 08:24, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

'Tis done. Peter S Strempel Page &#124; Talk 10:06, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Well done! Much needed, long delayed. Now for the others . . . Cheers, Bjenks (talk) 14:27, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Don't know whether you're watching the article, but some admin has dropped past, rated it as start class, and added some fruit to the talk page. In other words, no contention, no disappearing article. Regards Peter S Strempel  &#124;  Talk   02:19, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
 * And (duh!) renamed it. OK, I've changed the dab to Patrick O'Brien (political scientist). Cheers, Bjenks (talk) 17:27, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

Yeah if you saw my office, and my work load, this year sometime :( (I am in Battye next week might remember to check)  SatuSuro 14:49, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

WTO redlinking
Hi, you commented on my page regarding the red linking of the term "one country one vote". I had done so because the guidelines (somewhere on this site) say you can use it to call for a need to make a page regarding this term. Feel free, to remove it if it bothers you, but I think that since it was in italics it needs to link to some sort of policy on voting. I agree it was kind of fast act with no discussion, but feel free to respond with what we should do. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maz640 (talk • contribs) 13:32, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Voting is not really much of an issue at the WTO, and the tagged request for verification of those pars has stood unanswered for four years. High time to rename the section and bring it into line with the literature rather than original research, so that's what I've done. Cheers, Bjenks (talk) 14:44, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

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Hello, i'm not familiar with map editing and was wondering would you be so kind as to help change this map to show the ascension of Montenegro, Samoa and Russia to the WTO, as at the moment the map is misleading and i didn't want to take it off. Your help will be greatly appreciated! --Macarenses (talk) 10:13, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi. I, too, know zilch about map editing. However, I located the expert who has already added Russia, and asked him/her to fix this up for us. Cheers, Bjenks (talk) 16:24, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

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