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Administrators' newsletter - February 2017
News and updates for administrators from the past month (January 2017). This first issue is being sent out to all administrators, if you wish to keep receiving it please subscribe. Your feedback is welcomed.

Administrator changes
 * Gnome-colors-list-add.svg NinjaRobotPirate • Schwede66 • K6ka • Ealdgyth • Ferret • Cyberpower678 • Mz7 • Primefac • Dodger67
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Guideline and policy news
 * A discussion to workshop proposals to amend the administrator inactivity policy at Wikipedia talk:Administrators has been in process since late December 2016.
 * Pending changes/Request for Comment 2016 closed with no consensus for implementing Pending changes level 2 with new criteria for use.
 * Following an RfC, an activity requirement is now in place for bots and bot operators.

Technical news
 * When performing some administrative actions the reason field briefly gave suggestions as text was typed. This change has since been reverted so that issues with the implementation can be addressed. (T34950)
 * Following the latest RfC concluding that Pending Changes 2 should not be used on the English Wikipedia, an RfC closed with consensus to remove the options for using it from the page protection interface, a change which has now been made. (T156448)
 * The Foundation has announced a new community health initiative to combat harassment. This should bring numerous improvements to tools for admins and CheckUsers in 2017.

Arbitration
 * The Arbitration Committee released a response to the Wikimedia Foundation's statement on paid editing and outing.

Obituaries
 * JohnCD (John Cameron Deas) passed away on 30 December 2016. John began editing Wikipedia seriously during 2007 and became an administrator in November 2009.

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13:37, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

Delete?
I would like your opinion on Edward Boys (MP).

In your opinion, is it proper to delete this article? It could be covered in a list article of Members of Parliament. This person served 400 years ago. No other evidence of notability or significant events in his life.

What do you think? Lakeshook (talk) 00:25, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
 * WP:POLITICIAN suggests that "Politicians and judges who have held ... national or sub-national (statewide/provincewide) office ..." are notable. This would apply to any British MP. Black Kite (talk) 00:41, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
 * So a British MP from 400 years ago that there is no other information is considered notable? That is not right but it is probably too hard to change Wikipedia rules. What do you think? Lakeshook (talk) 19:50, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
 * There probably is more information about him (there generally tends to be for pretty much all MPs: there are quite detailed records of Parliamentary proceedings, even in the 17th century) but it's simply that the editor that created the article chose not to write any more than the basic data. Black Kite (talk) 19:53, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

Block evasion
looks like another sockpuppet/block evasion of "Human like you" aka IP 213.74.186.109  (confirmed at ) aka Constellation2023  -- same pro-AKP and pro-Erdogan POV pushing, same pages edited including pages edited by very few users like Salih Muslim Muhammad and Daily Sabah, same language, edit warring on same articles about same content and same misuse of minor edit marking for edit warring, continuing the same talk page discussions, , , same talk page behaviour (like starting a discussion with a vague general statement and proposing that others do the work for him ,  as in ,). Also, similar as "Human like you" attacking User:2A1ZA like  (I have no relation to User:2A1ZA but have observed the behaviour of "Human like you"/213.74.186.109/Constellation2023 for some time now since this user attacked me at ). The only activity of "4world2read" before 16 February 2017 was reporting user 2A1ZA at a time as "Human like you" aka 213.74.186.109 was edit warring with user 2A1ZA. This account "4world2read" now became active again shortly after an unblock request of "Human like you" was denied. 2003:77:4F1E:3498:21AF:CF4:FF82:19AA (talk) 13:17, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

b/d at OTD
It would be better to have at least one d. rather than three b. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:48, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Agreed, but I couldn't find a really good one. Black Kite (talk) 07:15, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
 * That's a problem. It's also a challenge to find good ones about non-white, non-male, non-American/British individuals as well...!  The Rambling Man (talk) 09:56, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

Deletion of
Hi Black Kite,

I'm the bot who is deleting  . I noticed your edit on Sushil Kumar Dhara in which you added  . This template is deprecated and deleted. Please stop adding  . In case you want to support the Persondata project you can help with the migration of the dataset to Wikidata at KasparBot's tool. See Persondata or contact my operator T.seppelt in case you have any questions.

Thank you very much, -- KasparBot (talk) 01:00, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/William Regnery II
Hello. I've noticed that you redirected Articles for deletion/William Regnery II. Is it possible to see what the article looked like please? I was surprised to read that he founded Richard Spencer's think tank. I created Alfred S. Regnery and I wonder how they are related. I have read some books published by Regnery Books and they are not extreme.Zigzig20s (talk) 12:15, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I've temporarily restored the history. Black Kite (talk) 12:19, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks. The sources weren't great--only two and the SPLC often publishes guilt-by-association pieces, which are basically rumours. However, there are some matches on Mother Jones (too partisan I suppose) and one in The New York Times (but I'm not a subscriber, so I can't read it) and PBS, but not a whole lot. I also found one match on Newspapers.com. My assessment is that there aren't enough sources to create a good article. A stub yes, but not even a start.Zigzig20s (talk) 12:45, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

User:Patroller1/sandbox
Hi Black Kite. I removed some non-free images from User:Patroller1/sandbox and was going to post a note on the user's talk page to let them know when I noticed that you have indefinitely blocked then for block evasion. FWIW, the entire sandbox looks like a copy-paste vio per WP:CWW and I was just going to blank it, but I'm not sure if it will need a revdel. Please advise on what to do. -- Marchjuly (talk) 13:55, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I've just deleted it, because most of the content was copied from Wikipedia without attribution, which is a copyright violation in itself. thanks for pointing it out. Black Kite (talk) 16:33, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you for taking a look. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:22, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

ANI closure statement
Re: Assistance needed with repeat violations of ANI warning

You wrote: "The first two diffs I looked at here showed Tenebrae reverting Pyxis Solitary's violation of WP:EUPHEMISM (here) and WP:FILM (here). Posting on the ANI-closer's talkpage that Tenebrae "invites and enjoys controversy and conflict. And he values his judgement above those of other editors. There is absolutely no justifiable reason for him to pop into the Carol article periodically to make arbitrary edits." simply says to me "I don't like this editor disagreeing with me". This is backed up by his reference to Snow Rise's (perfectly good) close as a "warning" to Tenebrae when in reality it was a suggestion that both editors avoid each other. There is, I think no reason for this to go further. Black Kite (talk) 00:20, 14 March 2017 (UTC)"

Violation? Are you implying that I knowingly violated a guideline? You interpret what I wrote as "I don't like this editor disagreeing with me."? You are so wrong. What I wrote in Snow Rise's talk page was after he undid my edits. My ANI has nothing to do with any other editor undoing my edits. I accept edits that are supported by specifically written Wikipedia policies and guidelines. I don't accept interpretations of them because my interpretations are as good as any other editor's and the conflict between me and User:Tenebrae began because he reverted an edit of mine based on his interpretation of a particular WP:MOSFILM guideline. My ANI has to do with this editor not abiding by Snow Rise's "suggestion" on 2 February 2017 that we avoid each other. A suggestion that ended with her statement: "This is the best way forward, I feel, and maybe the only option that doesn't end in a sanction for someone."

So if I edit an article and he undoes my edit -- any edit -- you don't consider it "avoiding each other"? What kind of alternate universe is Wikipedia? One editor says "don't do" but another editor hears "go ahead and do"? One editor says the sky is "blue" but another editor says it's "green" -- and we are all supposed to accept the color blindness as being the reality for all? There's a reason why many editors walk away from Wikipedia, and why there are so many stories published about the problem with how Wikipedia is run. In 2015, the New York Times alone published the article: "Can Wikipedia Survive?" After all the years that I have been editing Wikipedia, this recent experience with the ANI has been a revelation. "Suggestions" that have no bite are useless and worthless. Why bother making them? Pyxis Solitary (talk) 01:59, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

Block evasion 'Human like you'
is another sockpuppet/block evasion of "Human like you"  -- same pages edited with same POV, also creating redirects for the article Tusaş Engine Industries of 'Human like you'. is very likely another sock puppet. 217.83.249.172 (talk) 08:03, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Very obvious. Blocked. Black Kite (talk) 16:38, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

Again the same here. 84.187.149.228 (talk) 17:12, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

(in case you overlooked the above posting of 17:12, 14 March 2017) 84.187.156.142 (talk) 06:49, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, missed that. Blocked now, and I've semi-protected some of his favourite pages. Black Kite (talk) 08:28, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

, some info regarding Salih Muslim was added by ip sock of notorious Turkish sockmaster Lrednuas Senoroc and has been restoring by Human like you. Dubious. Both are the paid editors, i think.46.221.182.108 (talk) 17:41, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
 * "Human like you" is a notorious pro-AKP pro-Erdogan POV pusher and apart from multiple sock puppets has for several months used the IP 213.74.186.109 (recently also 176.33.80.23). 84.187.149.228 (talk) 17:57, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
 * , Human like you has ties with AKP, Lrednuas Senoroc/Hassan Rebell has ties with Vatan Partisi and Grey Wolves. At the end of the day, both target the same ethnic group with the similar agenda, both are sockmasters and NOTHERE to build an encyclopedia. 46.221.166.134 (talk) 18:40, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

Some more sock puppets of "Human like you" have recently been blocked by Materialscientist, among them "Digitalpaper1". This is most likely another sock puppet, compare with. 84.187.148.11 (talk) 19:13, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

Stanley Leopold Fowler
Hallo Black Kite, Could you please copy this to my userspace so I can pick some content and sources from it for an article on his Elizabethan Village, which had quite a bit of support at the AfD? Pam D  10:35, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

Persecution by atheists
I may have missed a past comment somewhere, in which case I hope you or a talk page stalker will point me to it, but before I re-revisit the "persecution by atheists" category business, I thought I'd leave a message requesting comment at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Atheism. You could potentially save people some grief down the road with a clarification. Given the headaches involved in the original thread(s), however, I can't say I'd blame if you decided to sidestep it. &mdash;  Rhododendrites talk  \\ 20:58, 26 March 2017 (UTC)

April Fools socks
In case you were wondering, I didn't create any joke socks (and never would), after the hoo-ha last year I would hope Wikipedians would remember a few basic rules about the place, like "don't violate core policies to have a laugh". Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  21:50, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I wasn't sure if it was a joke or not. Bloody stupid day. Black Kite (talk) 22:45, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

Block evasion "Human like you"
Last time you were on a short wikibreak and I went to NeilN's talk page - so for the moment the case continues there. 84.187.151.87 (talk) 10:20, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

2017 Woman's march
The "pervert" thing was phone spellcheck - It was supposed to say "people", I was trying to remove all of the unreferenced celeb mentions as well as the one that was not mentioned in the ref. If you look at my history, I am not disruptive. LovelyLillith (talk) 17:07, 2 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I looked at your previous contribs and I did wonder!  I'll revision-delete the warning on your page.  I'll also rev-del your username out of the article so it doesn't look like you did anything bad.  Thanks, Black Kite (talk) 17:10, 2 April 2017 (UTC)
 * That will teach me to use a phone I'm not used to....and to double-check my work. I was rather horrified when I saw it and tried to fix it. Thanks for the help and understanding! Cheers, LovelyLillith (talk) 17:33, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

Deprodding of East Pakistan—Federation of Malaya relations
I have removed the prod tag from East Pakistan—Federation of Malaya relations, which you proposed for deletion. I'm leaving this message here to notify you about it. If you still think the article should be deleted, please don't add the prod template back to the article. Instead, feel free to list it at Articles for deletion. Thanks! Saku ura Cart elet  Talk 23:18, 2 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Yep, done that. It's completely sourceless.  Why did you de-prod it? Black Kite (talk) 23:20, 2 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Given the topic that it was covering it seems like sources could be found even if it doesn't currently have them. That's why I removed the prod. Saku ura Cart elet   Talk 23:22, 2 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Fine - go for it. But I'd note that Bangladesh–Malaysia relations exists. Black Kite (talk) 23:23, 2 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Now that I think about it there was an article for Malaysia–Pakistan relations. I was almost about to redirect the page to it but decided against it at the last moment. Saku ura Cart elet   Talk 23:28, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

FFD
was being debated because I'm not fully up to scratch with the whole image copyright stuff and I didn't want to CSD it if it didn't apply, I'd rather be safe than sorry. – Davey 2010 Talk 22:28, 3 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Fair enough, but CSD#F7 is really clear that commercial images such as Getty get deleted on the spot - always. You can always CSD those. Black Kite (talk) 22:31, 3 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Ah okay thanks, As I don't deal with images here I had no idea what F7 says (or even that we had an F7!) hence why the discussion was started, Anyway thanks, – Davey 2010 Talk 22:36, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

Block evasion "Human like you"
Thanks for the recent block. Can you take also care of the IPsock ? --- 84.187.152.36 (talk) 11:35, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

Move request
A request to change the title and content of a comics article has begun at Talk:X-Men (film series). Any interested WikiProject:Comics editor may comment there within one week. --Tenebrae (talk) 03:00, 8 April 2017 (UTC)

Not okay
You could at least have awaited my reply before closing. In addition, you are correct that sometimes it is good to have a clear distinction between comments and proposals etc., but in this case they broke up my commentary/counterproposal/explanation in two, in a way that causes it to lose the logic. Form should not go over content, and in this case, it damages the content. Debresser (talk) 18:04, 8 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't have, but I'd noted that you'd already reverted back anyway, so it seemed moot. Black Kite (talk) 18:10, 8 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I reverted back, and that was undone, so I reverted a second time. Who is to say it won't continue? Keeping the discussion open would have been a likely deterrent, if such was still needed. By the way, I suggested a compromise on the other editor's talkpage. Debresser (talk) 18:14, 8 April 2017 (UTC)

David Dao
I notice that the article for David Dao was redirected without leaving the history in tact. There was still significant debate going on about whether to redirect or delete. Can you please explain why the article history was purged? --Jax 0677 (talk) 15:18, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Because the vast majority of responses were to delete it. Black Kite (talk) 15:38, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

Deletion review for David Dao
An editor has asked for a deletion review of David Dao. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Jax 0677 (talk) 16:07, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

ANI
You do realise I'm not the guy who was causing the disruption right? 88.151.223.162 (talk) 20:09, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
 * If you're not, my apologies - let me know what you need to add to ANI, and I'll put it there. Black Kite (talk) 20:22, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

User:Silver Master
You blocked the last IP sock this blocked editor used. Now he's used 197.42.87.188. Beyond My Ken (talk) 02:54, 15 April 2017 (UTC)

Deletion review for Rich Hickey
An editor has asked for a deletion review of Rich Hickey. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Devin Walters (talk) 04:15, 15 April 2017 (UTC)

Block evasion "Human like you"
Again here:, ,. Same IP range as "Human like you" used, same talk page behaviour like copying warnings he received to other talk pages, as "Human like you" pro-Erdogan and anti-Kurdish , compare also and. 84.187.157.110 (talk) 15:29, 16 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I've put a rangeblock in place. Black Kite (talk) 15:50, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

deleted my ANI entry
Hi! You reverted some work I put on ANI (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:EJustice#April_2017). That work did have constructive purpose...to outline some additional reasons some of my students' work was being flagged that needs to be considered in understanding said work. Functionally an addition to Champion's comments above.

so 2 questions I'd love your help with: 1. how can I get my comments back on next to Champion's, and 2. What was this person doing reposting me elsewhere, on a separate ANI page? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:EJustice#Your_ANI_post_was_reverted Is there something I don't understand about the versioning of ANI pages? How is my comment useful when divorced from the ANI discussion I was joining? A bit confusing...you deleting my note and another person simply putting it somewhere else, out of its natural context. Help me understand what I'm missing if you can...

Thanks! --EJustice (talk) 06:40, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi - I deleted it because you copied a lot of extra material back onto the ANI page which caused problems on that page. I believe another editor has since fixed the problem? Black Kite (talk) 11:22, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

I don't think I had done that, perhaps another editor had. Can you help me understand why my material was removed from the original context (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive951#POV_forks_being_created_as_school_project) to this place (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Re:_POV_Forks)? I get a sense that was legitimate but will the original discussants be able to find my comment? A bit confused on this front...thanks!

--EJustice (talk) 18:21, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, the material is all together now and is linked from the previous discussion, so anyone going to the original discussion will be pointed there. Black Kite (talk) 15:51, 16 April 2017 (UTC)