User talk:Black Kite/Archive 65

ERRORS support
Hi Black Kite, not sure if I ever have thanked you, but THANK YOU for your ERRORS support. As exemplified last night with the whole kerfuffle over Shavuot, which saw a long-standing admin wheel-warring to get his way (nothing will come of it), some people don't seem to actually understand what we're trying to do, what the various rulesets are for the various sections, and that we're attempting to keep quality as our number one aim, not favouritism to a particular nation, or belief or religion. So, once again, thanks for your hard work. The Rambling Man (talk) 10:42, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
 * No problems :) Black Kite (talk) 22:23, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

Quoted in the press
You might want to know that comments you made on Jimbo's talkpage were quoted in The Times of Israel. More info is at User talk:Smallbones. - Bri (talk) 00:37, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, please see To find the quote about half-way down just search "clearly a very dodgy company". The article is mainly an interview with me based on my Signpost article at Wikipedia Signpost/2017-02-06/Special report, but of course the interviewer has her own take, her own non-Wikipedian audience, etc.  I suggested that she check certain talkpages for background info, which is where she must have gotten this (Jimbo Talk archive 164). I suppose you might have wanted to be quoted by user name. Whoops! Sorry about that.  Let me know if there is anything I can do.  BTW thanks, "clearly a very dodgy company" is a pretty snappy quote that made the whole article better!  Smallbones( smalltalk ) 02:29, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

TDoldspice
This user is constantly reverting my edits and being disruptive, any advise? #HardcoreWrestlingFan 18:35, 2 June 2017 (UTC) HardcoreWrestlingFan 18:35, 2 June 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by HardcoreWrestlingFan (talk • contribs)

NPOV issue
Hi, I'm asking you specifically as an uninvolved editor who seems to have their head screwed on to take a look at Neutral_point_of_view/Noticeboard. Each year Pentecost goes on the main page when it is celebrated (this year within 24 hours) and I am concerned about a spate of recent edits. I may be over-reacting. I just want outside opinions. --Andreas Philopater (talk) 00:27, 3 June 2017 (UTC)

Semi Protection
Hi Black Kite, I'm wondering on what basis you've SP'd the London Terror Attack article? You stated "Persistent disruptive editing", but I don't see this at all. can you clarify? Thanks. 86.185.30.254 (talk) 11:38, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
 * At the time (around 00:00-01:00 UTC) pretty much every IP edit was vandalism. This often happens on such articles on a breaking news story. Black Kite (talk) 12:50, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Well that's interesting. I've just checked every IP edit in that timeframe and precisely one of them is vandalism. However, a couple of further observations; overall there were not that many IP edits, and some of them - including a couple of mine - were incorrectly flagged by the system as 'possible vandalism' (example: . Maybe now is the time to try un-protection? 86.185.30.254 (talk) 13:04, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Why not? It can always be re-protected.  Probably best to ask at WP:RFPP in future though, in case the protecting admin isn't around. Black Kite (talk) 13:55, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Okay, will do. Many thanks for looking at this. 86.185.30.254 (talk) 15:09, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

Franzboas master account
Since you participated in the discussion about Dennis Brown's block of Franzboas, I'm pointing you to this, which presents some proposals for additional action. Beyond My Ken (talk) 04:04, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Fullyprotected
Template:Fullyprotected has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 14:24, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

Thank you
Black Kite,

Thank you.

I've started adding to my userpage, explaining my motivations and my thoughts about site policy.

Maybe that will help.

Sagecandor (talk) 23:22, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

"Bad Faith"
I'm making (or at least was attempting to make) a generic accusation of Sagecandor acting in bad faith. Power~enwiki (talk) 23:22, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Not really the place for it, though. Unless Sagecandor is doing something that needs immediate admin intervention (which clearly they aren't), it should be at WP:DRN or similar. Black Kite (talk) 23:25, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I don't have time or interest to pursue another forum at this time. Thank you. Power~enwiki (talk) 23:26, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I started WP:DRN, myself, with WP:Third opinion. I gladly await a respondent from a previously uninvolved third party. Sagecandor (talk) 23:26, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Non-free-lists
Template:Non-free-lists has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 01:02, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Non-free-lists editnotice
Template:Non-free-lists editnotice has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 01:03, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

Deprodding of Ariska Putri Pertiwi
I have removed the tag from Ariska Putri Pertiwi, which you proposed for deletion. I'm leaving this message here to notify you about it. If you still think this article should be deleted, please do not add back to the file. Instead, feel free to list it at Articles for deletion. Thanks! Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 05:26, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

Help
Dear Black Kite, thank you very much for your recent comment on Janevistan fake article at Jimbo talk page. I would appreciate if you give the comment on the Village Pump at Serbo-Croatian Wikipedia were currently assistant to main editor explained that administrator deleted only the main page Janevistan because its different "thing" that the user page space (see last at Village Pump). Any of your explanations about content at Village Pump at Serbo-Croatian Wikipedia could be helpful to eliminate Janevistan fake article forever. Thank you Sir for your support.93.86.57.116 (talk) 09:05, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

Vietnam War weapons
Although I would generally say that it is at best unseemly to express thanks for another editor having to be blocked, I do want to thank you for responding so quickly to my post earlier today at User talk:庄心勖. I also want to mention that the block template has the, "Once the block has expired..." language, which may seem odd for an indefinite block. Thank you again for being swift to notice the ping. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 18:41, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for pointing that out, I obviously used the wrong script! I've changed it now, though given that the editor has never, ever, used any talk page in their editing career, it probably doesn't matter that much. Black Kite (talk) 19:22, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
 * It is an odd situation to carefully document something you know is never going to be read by the person concerned. On the other hand, just about everything about this editor's history here has been odd.  Cheers.  Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 19:26, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

IMHO
Excellent call regarding Guido den Broeder. Beyond My Ken (talk) 01:58, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Hello BK. Consider adding the diff of your AN closure to your block message to Guido. This will facilitate finding the discussion again in the future. EdJohnston (talk) 03:38, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

econlib
You're an admin. Econlib was added to the blacklist for all of the wrong reasons. You can de-list it. Please. – S. Rich (talk) 19:49, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
 * See also:  Murph 9000  (talk) 04:47, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

Mihai Tudose
Hi It is not a dispute. It is a violation of licence. --Panam2014 (talk) 14:10, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I have called him to prove it in WP:OTRS but he refused. --Panam2014 (talk) 14:11, 27 June 2017 (UTC)


 * That's what I'll be checking. I have blocked EddyVadim indefinitely, by the way. Black Kite (talk) 14:12, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
 * My request. --Panam2014 (talk) 14:14, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Black Kite, just a quickie, but how exactly do you nominate an image for deletion on commons? There doesn;t seem to be a twinke option any more (I'm sure there used to be, but.)- I ask because I found a problem image earlier and couldn't do anything about it. Thanks for any help! &mdash;  O Fortuna   semper crescis, aut decrescis  14:24, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
 * There might be a quicker way, but I just add the template manually on the page. Black Kite (talk) 14:34, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I don't really don't think there is :) (unless, user permissions or something) but thanks for that- the traditional way never occured to me. D'oh. Cheers, &mdash;  O Fortuna   semper crescis, aut decrescis  14:45, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
 * There are "Nominate for deletion" and "Report copyright violation" links in the left hand column of an image page on Commons. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 16:03, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Plz, could you remove the page protection ? --Panam2014 (talk) 17:42, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, done. Black Kite (talk) 17:47, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

Got a mirror?
As much as I don't get along w/ Maxbrowne, you s/ really revert your block of him, if you can't resist comparing him to a 9-yr-old. (Why? Uncivil personal attack on your part, no matter how profusely you believe you are entitled & justified in calling someone a child. If you can't perform the same function of a block, minus the unnecessary unprofessional personal slight of the user, then I don't ask that you resign your tools as a hypocritical admin policy enforcer, I simply ask that you revert your block out of objective self assessment re the contradiction.) p.s. But admins have power, don't they, and can swing snide comments after swinging bats, since no admin is going to step in and counter the admin-police culture. That's why I've made this comment, a sorry-ass despicable deplorable member, deserving of snot. --IHTS (talk) 23:49, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

Here's how to do it: "Your editsum name-calling a BLP article subject is unacceptable, so I'm blocking you for 1 week." (Simple. But you can't help adding "grow up" and the 9-yr-old comparison. But what am I doing instructing an admin how to be professional and not abusive & hypocritical?!) --IHTS (talk) 23:54, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Perhaps my comments might actually persuade him to act like an adult. If not, there is no harm done.  Sometimes, dull and neutral "you're blocked" doesn't actually have any effect, because it gives the impression that you can do the same again after the block expires. Black Kite (talk) 00:04, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Oh give me a break. ("I beat my wife to teach her a lesson. Perhaps she's smarter now.") --IHTS (talk) 00:21, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

Please Help
dear Black Kite you block the user for infinite time. It is humble request to you that please unblock Abrish211 because lot of students are connected with that IP address. Due to mistake of this idiot other sudents are facing problems on creating new accounts and editing WP. So please unblock Abrish211 or IP adress. We will be very grateful to you on your act of kindness. We hope you will do something for us. Thanks in advance. Regards: Hide07 and many students. Please Help Us Hide07 (talk) 22:42, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

Please Help
Hi my dear sir, you block user on 28-06-2017 due his major mistakes on editing. The ip adress he was using is used by 45 students. Due to Abrish211 they are facing problems. So this is my humble request to you that please unblock that ip adress so that other students will feel free to use. we will be very thankful to you in this regard. Regard: Hide07 Hide07 (talk) 22:44, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

Abrish211

 * 1) Blocked for evasion — what's the parent account, i.e. whose block is this account evading? If you'd rather keep that private, I'm perfectly fine with no response.
 * 2) Please see WP:AN, to which this block is highly relevant.

Thanks! Nyttend (talk) 23:49, 30 June 2017 (UTC)


 * PS, I now see that the WP:AN request is functionally duplicated by the two threads just above this one. Nyttend (talk) 23:50, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

Dispute with Dennis Bratland
I'm posting here because I am concerned about Dennis' "power" he uses to insert his bias into the article Franchesca Ramsey. Especially with this edit, as it is very opinionated and contains falsehoods (for instance, none of the sources say Ramsey was a target of rape threats, and the articles only specify one person who went to great lengths of harassing her). I added a section to the article which I'll admit could be seen as negative portrayal, but the full intent was to have the article mention the notable backlash she has received online, that is not in the form of harassment and racist threats, but rather denouncing her as anti-white. Which is a very popular opinion of her if you do quick YouTube research.

It is not a very civil discussion with him on the article's talk page, or my talk page.

Hope you can help us resolve this. Thanks. Ghoul flesh •  talk 00:58, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
 * This post and the other one are violations of the canvassing guidelines. Please follow the Dispute resolution process. I don't see how a hand-picked admin like Black Kite can reasonably wade into such a dispute now. A neutral query at the Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard, or at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Biography are good possibilities, but choosing User talk:Flyboyrob2112 because they obviously share your point of view is prohibited.A far simpler solution would be to simply find and cite reliable sources for controversial statements about living people. Do that and there's nothing to dispute. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 01:53, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

Renewing rangeblocks
With regard to information listed on my work page, you set up a pair of rangeblocks that expired recently. The targeted person is back to their old tricks, so it would be great to see the rangeblocks renewed. Binksternet (talk) 21:44, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Old rangeblock on 2.97.160.0/20 for 3 months starting 2 April.
 * Old rangeblock on 92.20.112.0/20 for 3 months starting 2 April.
 * New activity from Special:Contributions/92.20.123.215 and Special:Contributions/2.97.167.47.
 * Yeah, renewed for another 3 months. If they come back straight away next time we'll have to look at a longer block period. Cheers, Black Kite (talk) 22:30, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Excellent! Yes, straightaway. Binksternet (talk) 22:37, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

Notice of noticeboard discussion
There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. MaxBrowne (talk) 08:26, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

Revdel required?
Hi Black Kite, went by ANI today and came across a diff by this anon, User:2601:183:4103:8CA0:E47E:9557:7AE8:6D83, it is the only edit in their contribs and it make allegations against a person that may require revdel. Would you mind have a quick read and see if this is required? thanks Blackmane (talk) 23:20, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

Huldra CE ANI
Hi, I was just wondering why you closed the discussion. The edit summaries did not accurately reflect what was changed. Saying "adding hartman, ce" doesn't say why, for example, changing Second Temple to Roman Period. If you look at all edit summaries, Huldra was changing major content while using the minor CE or "adding Hartman, etc." which was not in the edit summary. Sir Joseph (talk) 18:16, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, but the complaint was merely about "CE", which wasn't the case. If there's a genuine case that an editor is repeatedly making POV edits that aren't covered by the edit-summary, in this case (since they're covered by sanctions) the venue is WP:AE, not WP:ANI. Black Kite (talk) 19:29, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
 * In both case the "ce" part was hiding a very POV edit which for unclear reasons was not specified, while the non-POV neutral parts were specified. How is that not a problem? Debresser (talk) 20:23, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

You are aware that your closure of that WP:ANI post is in complete dissonance with the opinions expressed in that thread? This is not the first time that you use your considerable force as an admin to (try to) repress valid POV issues I raise concerning editors, and I find that troublesome. I am not making any accusations, but do want to share my perception of the situation with you, and hear your take on it. Debresser (talk) 20:22, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I've just told you above - if you have what you think are repeated issues at articles under Arbitration remedies, the venue is WP:AE, not WP:ANI. Use it, please. (And when/if you do use it, I'll recuse myself from it as well, so you don't think there's an issue). Black Kite (talk) 21:20, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I have (tried to!) explain my edit on the talk page in question, that is Talk:Shuafat, Huldra (talk) 21:17, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
 * @Black Kite The closure of the WP:ANI section did not say that the correct venue is WP:AE. As to the question of whether that is indeed the case, I am not sure. I would only suggest that hiding anything substantial behind "ce" is a bad practice, so this can be considered to be a general issue as well. Regarding your willingness to recuse yourself from such discussion, that is definitely a gesture which I can only admire. Debresser (talk) 16:39, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

Baby Wise Article reverted and protected
Hello Black Kite,

What do you mean by, "Article fully protected for a month, plenty of time for issues to be worked out on the talk page. There is clearly a COI/sockpuppetry/SPA issue here as well, so it makes sense to protect the article from disruption. Black Kite (talk) 19:34, 12 July 2017 (UTC)"

I laid out some pretty specific concerns about the article, mostly relating back to text written and supported by Binskternet. This has been addressed in the talkpage already for a very long time! He refuses to listen and the article in its current state is terribly misleading. Is it possible that instead of sockpuppetry issues, people actually have a real problem with how biased it is?

Thanks for your feedback, Melodiya52

Melodiya52 (talk) (UTC)
 * It is very possible that some other people have that problem, however the way they have gone about expressing it is disruptive; therefore a period where the article cannot be edited and discussion must take place is the standard Wikipedia process for dealing with it. Black Kite (talk) 22:25, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

Daniel C. Boyer IP sock
User:Daniel C. Boyer, who you indef blocked after a community discussion, and who is topic banned from any edit having to do with himself, just restored an edit involving himself on Perspiration, using the IP 172.56.22.66. Do you think it's worthwhile blocking the IP for some period of time? Beyond My Ken (talk) 01:00, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Impeachment March
Hello! You participated in a discussion about merging the Not My Presidents Day article. I was wondering if you'd be interested in sharing your thoughts on the proposed merge of Impeachment March into the Efforts to impeach Donald Trump article? If you're not interested, no problem. Happy editing! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 22:47, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

Your ArbCom comments
OMG yes. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 14:29, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

My Friend's Army Of Socks!
That you reverted at ANI here: compare with this from January last year :) and the geo-locations (surprisingly precise!) show that today's IP is only thirty miles up the M3... &mdash;  fortuna  velut luna  12:51, 5 August 2017 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/July 2017 Petah Tikva attack
I saw your attempt to reclose this. I had noticed that the log hadn't gotten updated, but assumed some piece of automation would come along and fix it. I guess not. Unclear what is going on there. I see it's still being listed in WP:OLDAFD. Weird. -- RoySmith (talk) 15:44, 5 August 2017 (UTC)

Your help
Hi there. You have been very helpful in the past assisting with rap music editors who habitually add unsourced content. I tagged a music editor's talk page with a few "unsourced content" warnings, the last one on June 12th. That editor, Horizonlove, responded by posting a notice on their talk page targeting me. I've been trying to get the notice removed, and brought it to ANI here. If you are able to assist I would appreciate it. Thank you. Magnolia677 (talk) 19:25, 6 August 2017 (UTC)