User talk:Black Kite/Archive 87

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I/P conflict
Do you consider yourself uninvolved? Shrike (talk) 10:56, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Why would I not be? Black Kite (talk) 10:59, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
 * You made a few edits regarding the topic If you want I can bring some diffs --Shrike (talk) 11:03, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Which topic? I don't remember it, but if that is the case I will of course happily move my comment to the other section. Black Kite (talk) 11:07, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I/P topic Yes you justified BLP but in end it was content dispute  as you participated in this BLP board thread removing categories regarding the conflict .Disusing content regarding  .Participating in content dispute ,. Yes I understand that some diffs are pretty much old but ask yourself did you views are changed could you really consider yourself WP:UNINVOLVED? --Shrike (talk) 11:47, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I have to say that's somewhat desperate. For example, the Rachel Corrie issue (apart from being twelve years ago) was a BLP/sourcing one, for goodness sake! That's completely irrelevant and does not have anything to do with my opinion on whether an editor has been unnecessarily uncivil on a completely different page, or is causing other issues. The Rachel Corrie issue was a BLP/sourcing one, for goodness sake!  Regardless, if you said that any admin who has ever edited any page on the IP topic was uninvolved, you'd have a very small pool of admins left.  And I'm willing to bet that if my edits on that page matched your own views, or my conclusion at the AE was likewise, you would never have raised it in the first place.  Added to the issues you have had on AE - and now, I see, SPI - I'm distinctly unimpressed. Black Kite (talk) 14:07, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

@Shrike - Inf-in MD has just been blocked as a sock-puppet. Do you wish to learn how many times you similarly defended other now blocked sock-puppets? I'll cover this number with a veil of silence for now, but I can't promise I'll do the same next time around. - GizzyCatBella  🍁  16:59, 10 December 2021 (UTC)


 * I am no WP:CRYSTALBALL to forsee the future. My comment was when editor was not blocked as sockpuppet also don't reply here go to my talk page if you have something to sayShrike (talk) 17:08, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
 * You accused one administrator of not reading the report before reaching conclusions.-->
 * Then you came here to accuse another administrator who commented in the same case of being involved.
 * The extent of claims you are willing to go in defence of accounts who later turn out to be sock-puppets and the number of occurrences it happened is impressive.
 * If you continue, that might eventually backfire on you. - GizzyCatBella  🍁  17:38, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I pointed out at AE that this was a suspicious account (whch it obviously was), yet you chose to attack me instead. Perhaps it might be a good idea if you stopped rushing to the defence of suspicious accounts that happen to agree with your POV.  This isn't the first time, by a long way, this has happened (as in the recent SPI).  Given the significant amount of banned sockmasters in this area (NoCal, Icewhiz, Yaniv) it might be a very good idea to hold back occasionally. Black Kite (talk) 18:34, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
 * My inquiry was about your comments in the topic area in general but I will be more careful in the future --Shrike (talk) 18:59, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

WP:BLPCAT violation again on religious converstion pages
Can you please take a look at List of converts to Islam from Hinduism? Last time, several entried were removed before the article was protected. Now another editor doing the same like a previous blocked sock and. Thanks. --Bringtar (talk) 16:01, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

Time to close AFD
This article's Mister Sister (film) AFD here has been listed for deletion three times now, and the third list has gone beyond 7 days. I think that's it's time to close it.Davidgoodheart (talk) 04:14, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

McCullough/Ayurveda
Black Kite, you implemented an arbitration enforcement remedy at Talk:Ayurveda in which comments that solely complain about "quackery" without any policy basis are removed without comment. I am wondering if a similar remedy might help at Talk:Peter A. McCullough, which has experienced months of comments that dispute "misinformation", which is well-sourced, but provide no PAG reasoning for doing so. There have been five such comments posted in the last week.If you'd prefer, I think this request could reasonably be posted at AE, where other admins can discuss the idea. Either way, I would appreciate your thoughts on whether it's reasonable or if there are better methods to alleviating the disruption. Thanks, Firefangledfeathers 16:41, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Your recusation comment at ANR
Just FYI, I fully agree with what you said in that comment. There is definitely an issue in the transgender content area that'll wind up at ArbCom sooner or later, and over the few months I've been active on site it seems to be getting sadly worse. Hope you're OK though! Sideswipe9th (talk) 01:17, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * To me it is clearly toxic and it is getting worse, though I have seen waves of that come and go. The sniping of editors who are at the periphery of GENSEX editing but who have very clear opinions about it, as witnessed in the recent RfC at Talk:J. K. Rowling, is currently for me the most vivid manifestation of that toxicity. I wouldn't claim to have responded to it well, but at the same time I certainly wasn't part of the cause of that fecal exhibition. Newimpartial (talk) 02:29, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

List of EastEnders characters full edit protection
I am not sure you meant to fully edit protect List of EastEnders characters in 1058468339. It looks like the vandalism was mostly restricted to anonymous IP edits so perhaps you could consider reducing this to match the move protection. Thanks, —Uzume (talk) 20:43, 17 December 2021 (UTC)


 * (Hi, there's a request at WP:RFUP about this; your opinion would be welcome) ~ ToBeFree (talk) 13:21, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I did intend to FP it, as there was a registered editor involved in the edit war. I ave now removed it. Black Kite (talk) 14:36, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

Holiday greetings (2021)
Black Kite, I sincerely hope your holiday season goes well this year especially with what we went through last year. I'm optimistic that 2022 will be a better year for all of us: both in real life and on Wikipedia. Wishing you the best from, Interstellarity (talk) 18:43, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Happy First Edit Day!
 Happy First Edit Day! Have a very happy first edit anniversary!

From the Birthday Committee, CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 01:00, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

You nailed it
You nailed it here Black Kite -->. That’s exactly what is happening. I’m sorry ArBCom team members if you happen to read this, but that’s so true what BK wrote. Icewhiz plays carefully selected music and we dance to it. This is incredible. - GizzyCatBella  🍁  17:04, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

Happy First Edit Day!
 Happy First Edit Day! Have a very happy first edit anniversary!

From the Birthday Committee, CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 01:00, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

You nailed it
You nailed it here Black Kite -->. That’s exactly what is happening. I’m sorry ArBCom team members if you happen to read this, but that’s so true what BK wrote. Icewhiz plays carefully selected music and we dance to it. This is incredible. - GizzyCatBella  🍁  17:04, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

Insufficient action
You have closed this topic without any discussion210.212.189.98 (talk) 12:09, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
 * That's right, as there is no issue that needs administrative intervention. Black Kite (talk) 12:43, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
 * There is now, as the above IP has also been harassing TrangaBellam. I have blocked it for six months from her talkpage and also from Narendra Modi and its talk. (The six months is a compromise, as it's not technically possible to set several partial blocks of different lengths.) Bishonen &#124; tålk 16:52, 28 December 2021 (UTC).
 * Thanks Bish, I was considering it myself but was just on my way out and didn't have time to analyse it. Black Kite (talk) 18:01, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

Repeated editing of semi-protected page
You protected the page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Indian_states_and_union_territories_by_GDP#List) 2 months ago after this request (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Black_Kite/Archive_86#Re_:_Repeated_wrong_edits_in_page). After protection expired, again wrong figures were updated. West Bengal GSDP is only 13.54 lakh crore for 2020-21, but higher numbers which are wrong were repeatedly updated (which I have recently corrected). I request you to put the page in full protection mode now to prevent further vandalization (after reverting it to my last edit, if any edits after mine have been made when you read this message).
 * Yeah, I've upped it to extended confirmed protection. Black Kite (talk) 16:24, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

Wiki proction settings
You are changing wiki pages proction settings more then one time. You let the pages stuck into wrong information Soumyadeep176 (talk) 18:33, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Considering I previously had to block you for inserting false information into those pages, I'm guessing the pages are actually correct. Black Kite (talk) 19:20, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

User:Universal Adviser Immigration
You may wish to revoke TPA.--Cahk (talk) 10:45, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

Happy New Year, Black Kite!


Happy New Year! Black Kite, Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia.

Abishe (talk) 13:55, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

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New editing
My editing was neither motivated nor biased. There was a grammatical error on use of plural which too has been reverted because the editors on wikipedia want people to read wrong grammar. Also the oxford fellowship is what it is. A fellowship and not an award. That too was reverted even though I tried to correct it. The person is not a health journalist and in present terms, an activist. That is all too well known and not citations are needed for this as well. So how does that tantamount to violations? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sumitkar01 (talk • contribs) 16:11, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
 * You have deleted my request to stop editing Vidya Krishnan and the warning that @User:Black_Kite gave you from your talk page. This is making it difficult to answer your questions or engage with you about why this pattern of behavior is disruptive. CT55555 (talk) 16:14, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
 * They are completely allowed to remove warnings, indeed it shows they have read them. Which also means that next time they remove sourced material and replace it with BLP-violating unsourced material, they wil simply be blocked. , citations are always required on BLPs.  What you think is irrelevant. Black Kite (talk) 16:21, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

Block evasion with IP
Hey Black Kite, I noticed that you recently partially blocked from TrangaBellam's page. The IP user looks like a duck of who had the same grouse against TrangaBellam, has the same idiosyncrasies and has a similar interest in Indian media related articles. The IP also seems to be a static one so would it be possible to extend the block? Tayi Arajakate Talk 09:01, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Upon looking at their editing (which is almost completely edit-warring against consensus) I have blocked the IP for 6 months. Black Kite (talk) 09:28, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

Including you in the dispute resolution process
I said only that undoing factual edits, with sources, is not acceptable to wikipedia standards, that I will be following the full dispute resolution process, and that I was giving historyofiran the opportunity to consider standing by the facts and accurately cited sources. Herein, we are discussing a ludicrous claim because Turkic migrations into the area did not occur until the 10th century, shortly before the Arab conquests. The amount of data in the historical record for this is limitless. It is a silly, silly claim that Armenians are xenophobic for using the original names, which the Armenian people living in these places used side by side with the Turkic names. It is the equivalent of calling Machu Picchu or Chichen Itza "Spanish cities." The claim is that Armenians changed "original" Turkish names, and none of these names were originally Turkish. Literally none. In addition to the History of Iran page, History of Armenia page, Arran, Caucasian Albanian, Turkic Migration, etc, both of you need to review the facts and sources on the Falsification of History in Azerbaijan wikipedia page. In a place where Armenians had an historically recorded kingdom 1,300 years before, again 1,300 years BEFORE the first Turkic speaker arrived it is horribly inaccurate to describe reversing names to their original as an Armenian attempt to rewrite history, the changing of the names to Turkic ones was the example of that! Where Iranians, Udi, and Caucasian Albanian peoples and names were also used, and some of these supposed changes, weren't even changes to Armenian, but reversals to original Iranian language names. I WAS THREATENED with being blocked for making factual, cited edits. Now, I will be including you as well in the full dispute resolution process. Ganging up doesn't give you power to deny factual, cited edits. It also doesn't give you the right to threaten me with being blocked for literally nothing more than 100% fully sourced factually accurate edits. I encourage you to look at my edit, find 1 example of any inaccuracy. Just 1. It is going to come up in the full dispute resolution process, so check. Telling someone a fact of the dispute resolution process, that reversing factual edits can get them blocked, is no different than both of you threatening to block me. No amount of edits, administrative history, etc will let you get away with changing factual, cited edits, as this is literally what wikipedia exists to include, and accurate information and representation of facts that wikipedia stands for first. Not opinion. Facts. Think I might have misrepresented facts? Do you think Armenia and Iranian place names were not there thousands of years before Turkic migration? Check. Check my facts. Be sure this is the hill you want to defend.Youngkyf (talk) 12:14, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
 * See ANI. Doug Weller  talk 13:41, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

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BLPN
Hi. Could you please redirect your attention to this thread at WP:BLPN. I'm afraid I'm at the limit of my capacity to assume good faith. Alex Eng ( TALK ) 03:59, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

Rick Ashley/ Smiths
I hate to bring up complicated feelings but this is wonderful and I don't care who knows. if that is exhausting here is some nice come-down music., also have the Mogwai bug with BMX Bandits as fav apart from .Ceoil (talk) 07:55, 23 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Haha, when I saw the Blossoms/Astley shows I thought "that'll never work" but it absolutely did. Can, meanwhile, were so far ahead of their time it was untrue, I discovered their music when one of my favourite lost bands Thin White Rope covered them .  I think Crippled Black Phoenix are the current torch-bearers of that (very wise) genre  .  That Mogwai song is definitely on their accessible side (I think there was a campaign to get it played before Celtic games!) but I still love their sprawling noise monoliths. 1:10:15 into this is a "moment" :) . Black Kite (talk) 11:00, 23 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm seriously thinking of kicking Birdland out of my top 50 in favour of Rick Ashley. Thin White Rope are new to me, but into as it is so bass lead and tunefull - Many thanks for that! and in other news I remain addicted to neu shoegaze ps back in the BMX Bandits day, I heard them described as often talked about but rarely heard, a nice hint back to the pre-internet days when music was earned and hard to find - said the man that illegally downloads 4 or 5 albums per week. Ceoil (talk) 13:11, 23 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I hadn't seen that TWR live show before, thank you for finding that (excellent quality!). The opening track is a cover of Some Velvet Morning, btw. Black Kite (talk) 13:22, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

Unlocking the Frankfurt School talk page.
The subject no longer seems controversial, and I wanted to ask a question on the talk page Frankfurt School. Thanks --60.240.112.20 (talk) 10:08, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I've removed the protection, though I will reinstate it if there is further disruption. Thanks, Black Kite (talk) 11:00, 25 January 2022 (UTC)