User talk:Blackartnews

Your submission at Articles for creation: Arianna Jones (July 29)
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SamHolt6 (talk) 03:05, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

Links to draft articles
Please do not introduce links in actual articles to draft articles, as you did to List of African-American actors. Since a draft is not yet ready for the main article space, it is not in shape for ordinary readers, and links from articles should not go to a draft. Such links are contrary to the Manual of Style. Thank you. - Arjayay (talk) 10:37, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Arianna Jones (January 8)
 Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by 97198 was:

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97198 (talk) 20:10, 8 January 2023 (UTC)

Promotional edits / blackhat SEO sources
Hello Blackartnews. The nature of your edits, such as the one you made to Arianna Jones, gives the impression you have an undisclosed financial stake in promoting a topic, but you have not complied with Wikipedia's mandatory paid editing disclosure requirements. Paid advocacy is a category of conflict of interest (COI) editing that involves being compensated by a person, group, company or organization to use Wikipedia to promote their interests. Undisclosed paid advocacy is prohibited by our policies on neutral point of view and what Wikipedia is not, and is an especially serious type of COI; the Wikimedia Foundation regards it as a "black hat" practice akin to black-hat search-engine optimization.

Paid advocates are very strongly discouraged from direct article editing, and should instead propose changes on the talk page of the article in question if an article exists. If the article does not exist, paid advocates are extremely strongly discouraged from attempting to write an article at all. At best, any proposed article creation should be submitted through the articles for creation process, rather than directly.

Regardless, if you are receiving or expect to receive compensation for your edits, broadly construed, you are  required by the Wikimedia Terms of Use to disclose your employer, client and affiliation. You can post such a mandatory disclosure to your user page at User:Blackartnews. The template Paid can be used for this purpose – e.g. in the form:. If I am mistaken – you are not being directly or indirectly compensated for your edits – please state that in response to this message. Otherwise, please provide the required disclosure. In either case, do not edit further until you answer this message. Sam Kuru (talk) 03:03, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello! No I am not being compensated in any way to write these articles. I do not even know the subject personally. My goal is just to add more information about African American artists to Wikipedia and this was the first person I started with. To avoid sounding as if I am promoting the subject and ultimately avoid having my article or stub deleted again, do I need to stick to writing specific facts only about the artists I cover? Blackartnews (talk) 15:51, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I would usually suggest avoiding writing articles entirely until you understand reliable sourcing. In this case, you've not only used fake SEO sources, you've re-inserted them in promotional articles even when the problems was pointed out. What is your relation to the  account? Sam Kuru (talk) 16:56, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I am not sure what is considered a "fake" SEO source. I simply site sources that I find online which share information about the subject. Some of them are rejected and some of them have been accepted. Perhaps I just need to review the page which explains Wikipedia's reliable source standards. I am not sure who runs the Ariannajones23 account. If you know information about a subject or a public figure but do not have enough sources to write a full article, can't you publish a stub article inviting others to add information and sources? Why are some stubs accepted and kept but others are deleted? Blackartnews (talk) 18:28, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

Let me see if I can timeline this for you. I'm sorry if this is confusing for you, but it's pretty clear to see why this looks like COI or undisclosed paid editing. We are volunteers; there are a million other articles to improve. If you're only here to promote one individual, this account is likely to be disabled. Sam Kuru (talk) 22:19, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
 * In June of 2022, "Ariannajones23" added a draft article for "Arianna Jones" full of promotional language. The article was almost completely unsourced except for user-created sources and a minor mention in a college newspaper. It was deleted as unambiguous advertising.
 * In July of 2022, the same material was submitted by an anonymous IP, and deleted again as unambiguous advertising.
 * A few days later, a new draft was created by you. Different material, but all sourced to user-generated sources (tvmaze and IMDB). The draft was declined as non-notable and unsourced.
 * In October of 2022, you added a copyrighted image, which was quickly deleted.
 * In January of 2023. you added three new sources. 'USAPeriodical', which is a new-skinned blog run by a SEO firm. 'VoyageATL', which is a interview content farm, and 'shoutoutatlanta', which is a similar PR sink and part of the same group of content farmers. The submission was again declined as non-notable.
 * This month, you re-added the fake source along with a 'CelebrityNews' blog post from a faked author. You also attempted to add the blacklisted 'theamericanreporter' four times, which is a part of the California Herald farm blackhat SEO farm, and blacklisted 'nyweekly' four times, which is part of the Kivo SEO/PR farm. You then inexplicaly moved this into main space, where I promptly deleted it.


 * Hi Sam. I have simply used the articles I have found online which have information regarding this individual as sources. I have no way of knowing the credibility of each author or website or what is considered a "fake" source as you say. I understand how, from your point of view, you may think that I am failing to follow the website's guidelines. However, the simple fact of the matter is that I did not know which sources were acceptable and which were not when citing the work. I am not being paid to promote any specific individual. I hope to create and add to many articles, however, I do not understand how many sources or what types of sources you need to site in order to publish a short article (a stub). I have seen many stubs that still remain on Wikipedia. I want to create stubs that can potentially grow for artists who do not yet have full articles. Is this not allowed? How does one go about doing this without having the stub completely deleted? Blackartnews (talk) 15:47, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Even stubs must meet certain minimum standards in order to remain in the encyclopedia. Any article must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about a person, showing how they meet the special Wikipedia definition of a notable person(or a notable artist or notable musician more narrowly). If you submit a draft via Articles for Creation, most reviewers look for a minimum of three sources.  No article or draft needs to be complete(if there is such a thing), but it must be sourced properly and must show how the person is notable. 331dot (talk) 15:53, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Drafts created in Draft space can remain there indefinitely as long as they are being worked on(drafts are deleted after six months of inactivity but can be restored). Drafts are not part of the encyclopedia and not searchable by outside search engines, so you would need to tell others that you are working on drafts. 331dot (talk) 15:54, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello. Okay this is understandable. Thank you for your help. Moving forward I will follow the information here in order to find the most reliable sources possible. Blackartnews (talk) 16:03, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

Your username
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 * Hello. I apologize as I did not know prior to a search I just did that "Black Art News" is an online blog. I am not affiliated with them in any way and will request a username change. Blackartnews (talk) 16:09, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
 * To be fair, I would note that as long as it is not your website, you are okay as far as our policy is concerned- but you may want to change it anyway to avoid confusion with the online blog. 331dot (talk) 16:10, 7 March 2023 (UTC)