User talk:Blaxthos/Archive 2

What are you talking about?
I removed information from the Bill O'Reilly article because the only citation was from "frankenlies.com," not a valid source. This wasn't "unconstructive." I'm removing your comments from my page, and do not add them again. If you really want to talk about this, and/or explain why you think frankenlies.com is an acceptable source, do so in an appropriate manner. Don't just leave vague comments on my talk page that insinuate I've committed vandalism.CloutierFan02 (talk) 01:25, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Stop leaving these messages on my talk page or I will report you. If you want that information in the article, stick a source that a) is acceptable and b) actually links to something other than a 404 message. CloutierFan02 (talk) 17:09, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Explain Yourself
Yeah so you put on my talk page that I put innapropriate discussion in Fox News controversies? Sorry if I didn't realize I was talking to a wikipedia mod but I have a right to say what I feel. And another thing, my post wasn't incivil I was just explaining my point of view. Also to your next point that the discussion is "half a year old", it doesn't matter as you obviously read it again. The point wasn't to continue the discussion, it was so that people who would read later wouldn't just see a ton of liberals bashing Fox and supporting Ron Paul. Don't you want these discussions to be fair and balanced? If you don't like my political views that's just dandy, but don't threaten to block me because I decided to post my point of view.

76.87.38.244 (talk) 00:01, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Request to Assume Good Faith
Please assume good faith by talking about any objections you have to issues regarding an article on the discussion page of that article before giving out warnings. By assuming good faith, we can make wikipedia a better place for everyone. Thank you. Arnabdas (talk) 17:59, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your response to this matter. There was nothing controversial IMO on the Edwards edit. I was just trying to distinguish that he was in support of partial-birth. There are people whom are pro-choice and against partial-birth. It seems legitimate enough an issue to distinguish upon. I am not commenting on your page to discuss the Edwards' issue, but merely saying you should have made an post on the discussion page of the article before just sending out a warning. Had I not addressed the discussion there and proceeded to engage in the edit, that would justify the warning then. Is that reasonable? Arnabdas (talk) 17:06, 22 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Reply found here. /Blaxthos ( t / c ) 21:05, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I have responded to your reply. Once again, I re-iterate I am not here to fight or POV push. Holding yourself to the same standard, one would say that you are POV pushing too. I personally don't think either one of us are. As I replied, this is a misunderstanding of intent. Hope this explains things and we can move on like civil people. response —Preceding unsigned comment added by Arnabdas (talk • contribs) 16:32, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Request to Engage in Discussions Before Removing Content
Hi Blaxthos. On your edit in Criticism of The New York Times, I had put in a reference to Bob Kohn's book Journalistic Fraud that details Kohn's perceived bias in the hard news pages of the paper. On the article's talk page, I had put in a discussion about it and asked it not to be removed. You removed it anyway claiming it did not belong in the intro paragraph. That may be true, but if that was your opinion I ask that next time you do not delete it completely from the article without discussing the issue. People may perceive it as vandalism. Arnabdas (talk) 21:07, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I apologize completely. I did not see your response to the issue for some reason. Once again, I apologize. Arnabdas (talk) 21:16, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

question
Why does it always seem that you do not do much of any work here on wikipedia but instead like to poke your neck into heated situations? Or on just select articles? You've left my curiosity out in the wild. Thankyou. 71.225.204.68 (talk) 04:25, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Answer: Cause this dude is not only clueless, he's a clueless liberal. Which, besides from the redundancy makes him dangerous in this online encyclopedia form of Dungeons & Dragons (which is what Wikipedia has been reduced to.) Especially since wackos even more left than him control the rules of the game...68.40.200.77 (talk) 18:21, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Mediation Cabal/Cases/2008-01-18 Political positions of John Edwards

 * I have opened Mediation Cabal/Cases/2008-01-18 Political positions of John Edwards and together with User:MBisanz we are prepared to mediate if you are willing. Please see my comments at the case page.  Thanks.--Doug.(talk • contribs) 05:23, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Hey Dumba$$!!
User:69.244.181.184 is not Rynort.

Now apologize and resign from Wikipedia IMMEDIATELY.

You are guilty of

1)Not assuming good faith 2)Not being nice

Several other things as well like being a liberal weenie, but that's OBVIOUSLY not against the rules lest there'd be no one left to CONTROL wikipedia lol!!

Speaking of laughing my A$$ off, I cracked up until I almost cried laughing at your 'Sherlock Holmes' insight that User:69.244.181.184 = Rynort coupled by your psychic 'no one is fooled.' 68.40.200.77 (talk) 18:19, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Sprotection
Per your comments at WP:ANI I have protected this page for 7 days against ip/new account editing. If you wish me to lift or reduce the term please let me know. If you are happy with it I suggest you place a notice that the page is protected, and that legit ip's should either comment at the article talkpage or on their own talkpages and use the offices of a third party to let you know. Or summat like that. Cheers. LessHeard vanU (talk) 22:18, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Requests for Editor assistance
I was wondering if you could weigh in on the Caroline Kennedy page. There is a small dispute there about whether its appropriate to have over 2 paragraphs on the endorsements of people other than Caroline Kennedy and just 1 paragraph on her endorsement. My argument is that the article is for Caroline only, but it now looks like an article for the entire Kennedy family as far as that section is considered. Are you familiar with what the relevant policy is for this? Shouldn't the content of an article be focused on the topic of the article? That's how I've always seen it. - Maximusveritas (talk) 05:23, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Reply may be found here.  /Blaxthos ( t / c ) 06:30, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi Blaxthos, could you possibly take a look at the recent activity on the Neo-fascism page, particularly the section on the United States? I made some good-faith attempts to add pertinent, sourced, non-original, NPOV material to this section, only to have it reverted without discussion or explanation. I reverted the reversion since it was without explanation, then added information to the talk page to address the content deletion of this section. (There is some older history of this section, which may have resulted in a prior separate page being first merged into Neo-Fascism, then the content trimmed down to a paragraph). Now, the editor has gone one step further, removing content that had been there previously, and adding a label that "sources are needed" (without discussion on the talk page). But I had provided these sources, which he had just deleted!! This is quite discouraging to further participation in Wikipedia. I have been careful not to engage in a revert-war, but I feel the editor doesn't have such scruples. Given prior history on the editor's page, I am not hopeful that 1-1 discussion will be fruitful. Thank you for any insights/recommendations on how to proceed. 62.173.193.102 (talk) 17:18, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Silver lining to New Coke delisting
Actually, you helped me out with a TfD I'm fighting: I said that your delisting was strong proof that maintained does not in any way imply ownership to other editors and that people tend to completely ignore it when doing drastic things to articles. Thanks!

As for the delisting itself, I'm philosophical about it. Frankly, given the longstanding citation requests on it (which I do have sources for, in inverse proportion to the time I have to put them in), I wouldn't have approved it as a GA if I were reviewing it myself. I have tended to get defensive about previous complaints, since some of them, I've felt, are motivated by people who expected to read something confirming what they thought they knew and got annoyed that they weren't. But your complaint was, I felt, accurate and not POV-based at all.

As I've said on the talk page, yes, I did like New Coke and I knew at the time I wasn't alone. Popular history, particularly on the Internet, has really gotten an entirely different take on it, more of a myth than the reality, and back in 2005 when I really started working on this I was endeavoring to write an article that would correct those misimpressions, as I think Wikipedia should do (similar myths surround The Miracle at the Meadowlands, which the article is trying to correct as well). Looking around on the Internet, I do think that article has had that effect.

I would like to split the history section off (which I think I will rename Development and marketing of New Coke rather than History) and add even more contemporaneous sources I've got in a notebook filed away somewhere. I think that would fix a lot with the current article, in which the history section is getting too big.

The only comment of yours which I would like to disagree with is the images. We're talking about a historical event here, with a lot of inherently irreplaceable images. In that respect, getting a free pic of a New Coke can for the lead is more than we could have expected, and doesn't an article have to have at least one free image to qualify? I haven't reviewed or submitted GAs in a while so I may be out of date with this. Daniel Case (talk) 21:50, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Reply may be found here. /Blaxthos ( t / c ) 06:31, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Fox Business Channel
So you put back in a statement that is factually incorrect, relying on synthesis of material. Additioanll there is the fact that there is no way for the average reader to listen to the program (since there is no RS) and no other RS currently exsists that even talks about this situation. After all that you threaten me with an RfC for MY conduct? Why do you continue to make these baseless accusations and threats? Arzel (talk) 02:50, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

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Oh wow, I'm stunned, Blaxthos, the defender of Wikipedia from anyone who doesn't hate Bill O'Reilly and Fox News, comes around to squash any edit about O'Reilly that isn't decidedly hostile to him. What a stunner! It's nice to know that you could take time off from your busy schedule of fantasizing about a world devoid of any and all Fox News viewers to abuse Wikipedia in order to push your political viewpoints into a supposedly neutral forum. That takes a lot of courage and class. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.210.196.88 (talk) 20:36, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Fox News Controversies
You have reverted FNC Controversies 3 times, which is a violation of WP policies. Arzel (talk) 20:41, 17 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Wrong. :-)  Find my reply here. /Blaxthos ( t / c ) 20:59, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
 * You are correct, you haven't reverted more than 3 times. Arzel (talk) 00:11, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia rules are there for a good reason and need to be followed at all costs, as long as they make Fox News, Bill O'Reilly, and any other sort of perceived right-wing instutition look bad. We can't have people with right-wing sympathies trying to violate the holy neutrality of Wikipedia by removing overt left-wing bias, now can we? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.210.196.88 (talk) 23:24, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

MICROS
I'm not sure what happened on the MICROS Systems article, but I see that you went as far as adding COPYVIO, etc., to it. I don't think any of that was necessary.

I just reverted the whole thing back to a pre-advertising version. Note that I think the OPERA section isn't too bad the way it is right now. It's fine to list a few prominent customers to show that a product is in use. However, I agree that there aren't references for that section (although I believe the article to be accurate), so I added the appropriate tag. Timneu22 (talk) 12:52, 21 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Reply may be found here. /Blaxthos ( t / c ) 20:18, 21 February 2008 (UTC)


 * First, you completely misunderstood. I never said that COPYVIO tags aren't necessary, and I do not object to placing COPYVIO tags. Where did I say this? What I said was clear: the junk that a user added to the MICROS article should have just been reverted (and I did this). There was no reason to add COPYVIO tags when all the edit were horrible in the first place. Sorry you misunderstood. Finally, quotes on my talk page like "please review our policy on BLAH are pretty insulting, especially when you missed the entire point of my message. Timneu22 (talk) 10:58, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Politics of Bill O'Reilly Undo
Hi Blaxthos, I undid your revision on the POBO page. I cited why I did it on the dicussion page. Hopefully we can come to some agreement. Arnabdas (talk) 18:44, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the note. You may find my reply here.  /Blaxthos ( t / c ) 20:14, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I agree about your revert; messed up. Will try again later. Jimintheatl (talk) 21:28, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

its not too hard
text = ref_to_cite(text,limit = 100)

now on to Jayson Blair --Lemmey (talk) 06:15, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

User:Blaxthos FALSELY accused me of being User:Rynort
He had me banned without any provocation or proof. I am not Rynort nor has the disgraced Blaxthos ever provided ANY proof that I was aside from his Kreskin-like psychic reading that 'No one is fooled.'

Yet he refuses to apologize for this ABUSE of power that Wikipedia has enabled him with.

Blaxthos: Where is your proof that I am user Rynort?

And, since I am not and thus there is no proof, let's just end the charade-

Please apologize for this grievous power grab and resign from wikipedia.

It's really time you step down.

Thanks,

69.244.181.184 (talk) 06:20, 28 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Reply may be found here. /Blaxthos ( t / c ) 07:13, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

History of IBM article
I ran across this article and the sections for the 80's and 90's were in need of help. I was in the middle of making some improvements and you reverted the article with the note:

"sorry but that's all unattributed original research"

This is not original research, rather it is a summary of material that is published. It is unattributed because you didn't give me time to make the attributions. I was in mid edit and you reverted the article, blowing away several segments of productive time which I felt was quite unwarranted especially given the lack of attribution currently in these and other sections of the article as they exist today.

The two main sources of my edits which would support all of the entries I made are:
 * 1) Waves of Power: Dynamics of Global Technology Leadership 1964-2010 by David C. Moschella (Feb 1997)
 * 2) Customer-Driven IT: How Users Are Shaping Technology Industry Growth by David Moschella (Feb 2003)

Additional secondary sources which I planned to use in support of my edits are:


 * IBM EARNINGS DIP REVEALS ONLY A PORTION OF THE PROBLEM, March 1986 by Ronald Rosenberg, The Boston Globe
 * Computer Industry Directions Conference, Boston, MA, keynote address, March 1987 by William F. Zachman - Impact of IBM's rental to lease conversion
 * Computer Industry Report, Annual Review for the years: 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 by International Data Corporation, Framingham, MA

In addition, I planned to include references to IBM's annual reports which clearly demonstrate the rental to lease conversion in financial statements published by the company.

I find it most disturbing that you pull the trigger on reverting my factual edits when in the previous section you allow such clearly false statements (which I had planned to fix) as:

'''Most of those companies are now long gone as IBM competitors, except for Unisys, which is the result of multiple mergers that included UNIVAC and Burroughs, and General Electric, which has re-entered the business in recent years.[citation needed] NCR and Honeywell dropped out of the general mainframe and mini sector and concentrated on lucrative niche markets, NCR's being cash registers (hence the name, National Cash Register), and Honeywell becoming the market leader in thermostats. The IBM computer, the IBM mainframe, that earned it its position in the market at that time is still growing today. It was originally known as the IBM System/360 and, in far more modern 64-bit form, is now known as the IBM System z9.'''

I believe there are as many factual errors than correct statements in this paragraph-- all unattributed.

Why do I even bother trying to help? Twostardav (talk) 05:20, 3 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Reply may be found here. /Blaxthos ( t / c ) 12:38, 3 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I found this discussion after I had restored Twostardave's additions to the article. As I noted in my edit summary, I did so to allow opportunity for people to read, edit, and insert references. I also added some fact tags to encourage the latter.  Wanderer57 (talk) 13:38, 3 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Thank you both for the responses. I have credible sources for my edits and had every intention of adding them. As a newcomer who definitely feels bitten I would respectfully ask that you are little more patient when someone is in the middle of making edits-- especially in an article that needs so much work. Thanks. Sorry...mediawiki won't keep me logged in for some reason User: Twostardav

Deleting talk page comments - AGF
It's not a good idea to delete talk page comments unless the edit is completely without merit. This deletion does not assume good faith. You may disagree with the premise, but the comment is a legitimate questioning of the reliability of a source in the article. --Elliskev 19:13, 4 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Replies may be found here and here. /Blaxthos ( t / c ) 20:26, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Could use the opinion of someone who knows criminal law
There is a dispute in the Illegal immigration to the United States article that could use the help of someone trained in criminal law. Specifically, Title 8, Section 1325 of the U.S. Code states, "Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.".

Several editors have interpreted this to mean that only civil penalties apply if (1) or (2) above are violated and that criminal penalties apply only if (3) is violated. This really doesn't sound right to me. The way I see it, the basic sentence structure above is "Any alien who (1) or (2) or (3) shall (x)". For various reasons, I believe there are several editors working on the article who are really sock puppets being used to gain editorial control (these editors all started working on Wikipedia very recently, have edited only the IIUS article, and are in complete agreement with each other on everything) and, because they back each other up in disputes, this isn't a kosher use of sock puppetry. So, I have to admit that I'm having trouble with good faith in them. That being the case, the best way to handle this, in my opinion, is to get an outsider who knows criminal law to weigh in on what the law says. Thanks for any help you can provide.-198.97.67.58 (talk) 20:57, 6 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Initial reply may be found

here. /Blaxthos ( t / c ) 22:14, 8 March 2008 (UTC)


 * For private reasons, I haven't used a user account for years. I have, instead, been an IP anon on Wikipedia.  However, IP anons cannot submit checkuser requests.  Can you submit it for me?

Here's the request I wrote.

Blaxthos



 * Code letter: G
 * Supporting evidence:
 * Code letter: G
 * Supporting evidence:
 * Code letter: G
 * Supporting evidence:
 * Code letter: G
 * Supporting evidence:

Multiple Single Purpose Accounts created at around the same time (within the same three day period). All sharing common interests and backing each other up in all article disputes. Many of these accounts are never used except when consensus on content becomes an issue. Further, UHaveMetURMatch identified content written by HereICome2 as content written by himself[].I'd appreciate it if you can help me out here.-75.179.157.247 (talk) 23:59, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

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 * Resolved. /Blaxthos ( t / c ) 22:13, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

WP:V
I hate to be a bit of a fly in the ointment, but I did discuss my changes 24 hours ago with no input from anyone. Your reversion is improper as you seem to have changed the meaning of the text, making it far more restrictive than originally intended, and without the consensus of the Wikipedia community. As the person who reverted your second change said, "actually, what you reverted was, [in fact], a reversion of an undiscussed change". Additionally, quoting from WP:V: "Editors should provide a reliable source for quotations and for any material that is challenged or is likely to be challenged, or it may be removed.". While you believe that everything that isn't referenced shouldn't be here, I basically concur, but that doesn't mean everything should be deleted wholesale. Such a change would give editors license to simply delete everything that is unreferenced, even those that are ambiguously referenced or are uncontroversial facts (such as "water is wet" or "Napoleon was a General"). Please discuss on the talk page before making further changes. I believe I have the consensus of Wikipedia on my side. Feel free to prove me wrong and I look forward to the discussion. — BQZip01 — talk 02:48, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
 * You are correct. Reply found here.  /Blaxthos ( t / c ) 04:28, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmm, that quote appears to be missing. I guess I hit "undo" one too many times. My point is that the policy should be used to justify removal of patant nonsense and sensational claims with no merit, but that simple phrases that no one disputes are fine. Moreover, it should be used as a tool to clean up the encyclopedia, not to bash articles wholesale just because they are missing a source or two. Re-added the info. No hard feelings, just discussion. :-) — BQZip01 —  talk 15:00, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Murphy High
FYI: You may want to watch Murphy High School, Antsuyi continues to revert the page despite being asked repeatedly to use the talk pages. I'm getting too aggravated with the behavior, so I need to step away. Altairisfar talk  22:22, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

CMPA
hi, I'm writing with regard to your comments on the center for media and public affairs page. I run this organization as a research center at george mason university, where I am a professor of communications.

This entry was originally created without my knowledge by a former graduate student. Since discovering it I have periodically checked in to keep the entry valid and up to date, and to provide additional information in response to criticisms that were added. (I have NOT deleted the criticisms nor added rebuttals without documentation.)

When a colleague recently informed me that the article had been challenged for verifiability, I went through the text and tried to carefully document every statement about events and occurrences with references to news accounts in major media outlets, and every statement about research findings with references to refereed journal articles and scholarly books.

So I was chagrined to see a new warning up today, and especially concerned that it came from a Wikipedia editor rather than a self-interested critic. Without specificity as to the issues that generated this latest edit, there is no way I can respond to them. So I would greatly appreciate if you could spell out the particular concerns that you think need to be addressed.

And I obviously have a professional interest in this entry, which directly raises COI and NPOV issues. But my understanding of Wikipedia's position on these issues is that they apply only insofar as they are expressed in one-sided or unverified assertions. Otherwise critics of any entry would be overrepresented, since no one could respond to criticisms without being accused of COI/NPOV. (I know you are well aware of the contentiousness that characterizes current debates over the media, and particularly over allegations of media bias.)

I'm in the process of trying to learn enough about Wikipedia policies, protocols, procedures et al to make my contributions to this or any other entry useful and appropriate, and I would appreciate any constructive criticism that would improve their quality. Srlichter (talk) 22:40, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

center for media and public affairs entry
sorry, previous version of this text didnt have headline or date. pls bear with me; for someone of my generation, this is like learning a foreign language, but I'm working on it.

hi, I'm writing with regard to your comments on the center for media and public affairs page. I run this organization as a research center at george mason university, where I am a professor of communications.

When a colleague informed me that the article had been challenged for verifiability, I tried to careful document every statement about events and occurrences with references to news accounts in major media outlets, and every statement about research findings with references to refereed journal articles and scholarly books.

So I was surprised to see a new warning up today, and very concerned that it came from a Wikipedia editor rather than a self-interested critic. Without specificity as to the issues that generated this latest edit, there is no way I can respond to them. So I would greatly appreciate if you could spell out the particular concerns that you think need to be addressed.

This entry was originally created without my knowledge by a former graduate student. Since discovering it I have periodically checked in to keep the entry valid and up to date, and to provide information in response to criticism that appeared. (I have NOT deleted the criticisms nor added rebuttals without documentation.)

And I obviously have a professional interest in this entry, which directly raises COI and NPOV issues. But my understanding of Wikipedia's position on these issues is that they apply only insofar as they are expressed in one-sided or unverified assertions. Otherwise critics of any entry would be overrepresented, since no one could respond to criticisms without being accused of COI/NPOV. (I know you are well aware of the contentiousness that characterizes current debates over the media, and particularly over allegations of media bias.)

I'm in the process of trying to learn enough about Wikipedia policies, protocols, procedures et al to make my contributions to this or any other entry useful and appropriate, and I would appreciate any constructive criticism that would improve their quality. Srlichter (talk) 22:47, 14 March 2008 (UTC) march 14, 2008


 * Initial reply found here. /Blaxthos ( t / c ) 01:11, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

a simple plan
Blaxthos, Since you lobbied to have the plot summary for A Simple Plan tossed out, I thought perhaps you'd like to volunteer to write the new summary, as suggested by the admin. Drstrangelove57 (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 16:38, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Oh, okay, you were just there to destroy the integrity of the piece, not because you cared about it. Alrighty, then. Drstrangelove57 (talk) 02:13, 18 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Reply here. /Blaxthos ( t / c ) 03:42, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

As is form for you, you totally ignore what I'm saying in favor of a string of subdued threats. You've ruined the article and now want nothing to do with rebuilding it. That's very trashy of you. Drstrangelove57 (talk) 15:34, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Reply here. /Blaxthos ( t / c ) 15:54, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

You seem incapable of replying without reinforcing my point. Drstrangelove57 (talk) 16:06, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Are you an admin? Because if you're not, stop posting on my talk page as if you are. If you aren't an admin and want to complain about me, then do it. If you are an admin, then you'll have even less trouble getting your way. Drstrangelove57 (talk) 16:52, 18 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Reply here. /Blaxthos ( t / c ) 22:06, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

You know what pisses me off? The fact that I enjoyed the novel A Simple Plan and decided to help out with that Wikipedia entry. I put a good deal of work into that plot summary (which I didn't make from scratch, in case you were wondering) and now it is being completely thrown out for reasons that I think are arbitrary at best, malicious at worst.

The reason I and many others enjoy Wikipedia is that you canlook up info on old novels, films, comics, vague historical facts, household appliances, whatever. But the more I look around the more I see articles being usurped by people intent on either shredding articles for no reason other than to exercise their ability to do so or people eagerly injecting their own POV into an article. I look at the articles for O'Reilly, Olbermann, Joe McCarthy, Hannity, Franken, Alger Hiss, whatever, and without exception they all look like they were written by people with an axe to grind, and whenever someone so much as suggests that they be balanced out, they are met with a string of rude and harsh rhetoric threatning the person's soul if they don't drop the topic completely.

I like this project in theory, but this sort of BS is what ensures that Wikipedia is just barely better than garbage like Conservapedia, only at least there they tell you upfront that you're dealing with total crackpots. Like any system, Wikipedia is now invested with people who benefit from the whole rotten thing and will oppose any sort of change simply because it doesn't favor their ego. At worst, you have a case like this one where someone (me) genuinely wanted to improve the article, but everything I've suggested or worked on is simply trashed in favor of people who know how to work the system better. Meanwhile, no one else involved in this even CARES about A Simple Plan, which kicks the absurdity of the argument into new heights.

And that's why I'm pissed. Drstrangelove57 (talk) 17:26, 18 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Reply found here. /Blaxthos ( t / c ) 22:05, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

center for media and public affairs follow-up
I appreciate your offer to go over the cmpa site with an eye toward finding a consensual view of what you see as questionable statements/assertions. pls let me know when you have taken another look at it and have formulated the questions that you feel need to be addressed.

meanwhile, I begin to see how complicated wikipedia can be. my former grad student pstrait is independently reediting the entry and corresponding with you. so the version in which I earlier tried to address your concerns is considerably different from the site as it stands now.

I dont know what the appropriately wikified response is to this kind of three (or multi-) sided dialogue, and my head is beginning to hurt from considering the possibilities. so I'll wait to hear from you before doing any edit to the site, unless some overtly factual error appears. whew! this is a brave new world. Srlichter (talk) 23:06, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Mishap avoided.
If i had been drinking my coffee while reading this you would now owe me a new keyboard. Nice-looking audio setup, too...  tomasz.  08:51, 20 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Reply may be found here. /Blaxthos ( t / c ) 22:04, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Request for assistance
Hello--You and Arzel seem to have some history. I'm not naive about the politics involved here, but some of his comments seem of the off-the-wall/throw-it-against-the-wall-and-see-what-sticks variety. Any help/suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks. Jimintheatl (talk) 02:24, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Reply may be found here. /Blaxthos ( t / c ) 03:50, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Having trouble with a user that won't respect majority opinion.
We are having an on going disagreement over deletion of mention of irrelevant persons in another person’s biography. In the page for Natalie Gauci, one user, dihydrogen monoxide, constantly reinserts the irrelevant mention of other persons that have been deleted. During a period when the page was protected the proposed deletion and the reasons why were discussed at length. The changes were agreed to by all responders, including dihydrogen monoxide (subject to being told what to do by another user). However, the page became unprotected before the administrators had made the requested deletion.

This is the preferred version: “She was chosen by the judges to enter the top 24, but during her semi- final round, she did not gain enough votes to proceed to the Top 12. She was then called back to perform at the Wildcard Show and once again was not voted by the public into the Top 12,”

This is the version with irrelevant comment: "She was chosen by the judges to enter the top 24, but during her semi- final round, she did not gain enough votes to proceed to the Top 12. The two finalists who progressed through in her semi-final were Tarisai Vushe and Lana Krost. She was then called back to perform at the Wildcard Show and once again was not voted by the public into the Top 12, hence the judges chose her and Carl Riseley as the judges choice to be included in the Top 12."

The deletion of the words mentioning Tarisai Vushe and Lana Krost does not detract from the point of the paragraph. That Natalie did not get fan support early in the competition, but needed help from the judges to get to the final, is clear from the modified version. The page is about Natalie Gauci, and to mention two other contestants is irrelevant. It would make as much sense to name all 10 of the contestants who got voted through to the final 12. But this would also be irrelevant since the article is about Natalie Gauci, and there is another page on Wikipedia about that Australian Idol contest where the losing contestants could be named more appropriately.

Again, during the period this page was in protection these changes were discussed at length and they were agreed to by all responders. This discussion has continued and all users except dihydrogen monoxide agree to make the change. That user insists there is no consensus until he/she says so. This user seems to believe that they are the user in charge of this page.

How do we get that user to stop making unwanted and unwarranted changes to the page, and to respect the wishes of the majority? I have suggested this user should be reported to the administrators but I am not sure how to do that. There does not seem to be a way to do that easily, which may be why dihydrogen monoxide seems to feel that they are in charge, and untouchable. DrDownunder (talk) 22:57, 1 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Reply found here. /Blaxthos ( t / c ) 07:17, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your time and for your coments on this problem. The site was a much bigger problem earlier with a few rogues filling it with irrelevant 'information' mostly about Tarisai. Perseverance from the majority of users has eliminated most of that mess but one user hangs on and that has resulted in my asking for your input. I appreciate your help and hope that dihydrogen monoxide will now admit that the vast-majority consensus must be accepted and his/her insistance on naming others such as Tarisai in Natalie's biography is not appropriate. Cheers. DrDownunder (talk) 00:48, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

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WP:SSP
No problem. Was just a bit confused, and while I believe that person negatively contributes to Wikipedia by letting bias get in the way, just was warning to not lightly accuse someone. It was just in good faith, no worries. TheNobleSith (talk) 03:05, 5 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Reply may be found here. Original note here.  /Blaxthos ( t / c ) 03:20, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Inappropriate removal
In the Media Matters for America article, you removed this sentence: Other media figures, such as John Gibson of Fox News Channel, offered an opinion that criticized Media Matters' reporting of Limbaugh.

With the reason "(Criticism: rm WP:RS and out of date (gibson got canned a while back))".

This sentence was added to provide context to a statement made by Stephen Colbert which was tangentially related to the actual issue being reported in the Media Matters for America article. Colbert was responding to a statement made by John Gibson when John Gibson was speaking as a commentator for Fox News channel. As for the reliable sources claim, if you contest that the Newsbusters article did not factually report on what Gibson said, we could find another source. Also, why did you not use the talk page to discuss this edit first? 98.215.54.162 (talk) 03:22, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Dildo
Blaxthos, it is not defamatory to state that Bill O'Reilly used a vibrating dildo on himself while talking to Andrea Makris on the phone. It's in court documents and is critical element in her sexual harrassment lawsuit. This element proves that he intended to have sex with her. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.181.230.13 (talk) 03:39, 6 April 2008 (UTC)


 * The "court documents" to which you refer are simply the plaintiff's allegations. There is no assumption of truth simply because it appears in one side of a lawsuit filed with a court.
 * Her lawsuit was withdrawn due to an out-of-court settlement with O'Reilly, which effectively mutes any claims she may have made. The substantiveness of her claims are questions of facts for a jury to decide; by withdrawing the claim she ended any chance of the truth ever coming out.
 * Even if the allegation were true (it wouldn't surprise me either way) it doesn't "prove" anything. You may have an opinion about what it "means", but it will forever be subjective.
 * Our policy regarding the biographies of living persons is very clear regarding removal of negative content.
 * I may not be a fan of O'Reilly, but my opinion certainly doesn't trump my obligation to adhere to our policies and guidelines. /Blaxthos ( t / c ) 07:27, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Re: Accusations
Blaxthos, I thank you for your message of concern and trying to build community as well as your assumption of good faith. With regards to this particular issue many of us are having with jimintheheatl, there seems to be a big problem not just with me, but with other people as well.

When a user refuses to adhere to the consensus of the discussion, it shows a lack of wanting to work with others in this project. We all looked at his source and we all claim to the conclusion that it does not belong in that particular section. All of us who disagree with jim have stated our reasons why, which he has not addressed at all, instead constantly going back to his old arguments which we have addressed.

When you and I had our initial spats, you accused me of a retalliatory accusation of POV pushing when we were exchanging warnings. This guy has done the same thing, just see the recent edits on my talk page, so if you were upset at me for doing that, then I guess I can count on you to condemn his retalliatory actions I am sure?

Furthermore, we even showed good faith on our part by discussing at the bottom of the page that we could include the quote in a new section that gives proper weight, notability and follows BLP about O'Reilly's thoughts on both political parties. User jimintheheatl has refused to address that and has constantly attempted to re-insert his original point into the political affilliation section where it does not belong. We have repeatedly stated that if he disagrees with this, he should file a RFC on the issue. Instead of following proper procedure despite NUMEROUS times of us politely telling him to, he defies the consensus and continues to press the issue.

I am not pursuing sanctions against him yet. I only talked to the few people whom have commented on the particular issue, Ramsquire, Croctotheface and Azrel. I suppose I should have asked you as well, which is where anyone could accuse me of going wrong, since you did comment too. Still, you had not commented recently on the issue, thus I didn't. Right now I am just asking them (and you) what can be done to resolve this issue. Hopefully it won't have to go with formal procedures, but if someone keeps on defying consensus and re-inserting something that everyone feels is not notable in the section nor written in NPOV, then we obviously have to consider punitive action. Arnabdas (talk) 15:06, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * BTW, could you please elaborate what you meant by here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jimintheatl#NPOV_Warning when you called in question my reputation? Arnabdas (talk) 19:43, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

What is your problem?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jimintheatl#NPOV_Warning If you have a point to make, make it, don't throw out sly remarks and comments that do nothing to improve this situation with Jimintheatl, you do a great disservice to WP by making comments like. I would ask again to refrain from disparaging me, but I don't think it will do much good at this point. Arzel (talk) 20:55, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Vets For Freedom
Blaxthos

I beg to differ that my edits are not neutral. Everything I edited is a matter of fact, and may be verified. Most importantly, the funding of Vets For Freedom. I think the entry should be the whole truth and nothing but the truth, even that truth which they prefer not be public. I think your unediting of the truth is truly uncalled for and does a disservice to anyone who wants to look up Vets for Freedom in this forum. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Notthis1either (talk • contribs) 18:01, 9 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Notthis1either continues to edit the VFF page to portray his/her POV. I was drawn into this argument because he/she accused me of a lack of NPOV, yet he/she only seems to be negatively editing the VFF page!--TravelinSista (talk) 23:07, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

FNC
It just never ends, does it? As I'm sure you've noticed, I refuse to get involved with this debate again, but I've been keeping an eye on it for obvious policy violations and other nonsense. Good luck. ;-) - auburn pilot   talk  15:52, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

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This Discussion
Can you please revisit the discussion here and reply. Thank you!!  D u s t i talk to me 16:44, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Section Title
Thanks for explaining yourself on the FNC. I didn't want to respond on the article page because it doesn't really have anything to do with FNC. If anything the situation is my fault for editing without a full picture (I've tried to explain that but... well... you know how it is sometimes). The entire thing has gotten overblown and I'm now ignoring jsn. The people's whose opinions I respect would understand my mistake. In simple terms, Gamaliel and I had an experience with an editor who would name sections in the manner of "Why Gamaliel is Biased and Wrong" or "To answer Ramsquire lies", etc. We had an arbitration on the user and Arbcom stated it was generally uncivil to title sections with the names of editors because it can be a personal attack and is usually uncivil. In my skim I saw "Debunking Blaxthos's Allegations", which admittedly was nowhere as bad as some of the ones that were deemed personal attacks, but I still editted it and made a general comment about trying not to do that for the above reasons. I didn't see yours or I would have changed it and made the same explanation. After all that background I'll now get to the point I would have made to you if I saw your title--It's my experience that using the editors name in the title like that usually gets interpreted as calling out another editor and causes temperatures to rise. There are circumstances where it may be necessary, e.g. "Editor X latest edit", but I would advise to avoid doing it. Ramsquire (throw me a line) 00:24, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

RFPP
I've left my comments there. Jauerbackdude?/dude. 03:31, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
 * No offense taken. It always helps to get more opinions. Jauerbackdude?/dude. 03:48, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

EA Requested
Found your name on the editor assistance list, with special mention of reliable sources and controversial topics....

I am in a difficult dispute with Colin4C regarding Talk:Anti-Americanism. In addition to that Talk page, much of the dispute is found on a page requesting mediation here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Mediation_Cabal/Cases/2008-04-14_Anti-Americanism ...which outlines my concerns about content (I moved some of it to his Talk page).

He is obsessed with a sock-puppet allegation (closed), and I think he's going to oppose whatever I do. I'm not sure how to proceed. The most immediate dispute at the anti-Americanism article involves 1) a list of peer-reviewed articles which doesn't seem to include any peer-reviewed articles, and 2) an opinion that Canada is full of anti-Americanism, sourced with a single commentary in a newspaper. (These issues are easily viewed in the article history). I'm not sure what to do. Life.temp (talk) 19:39, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Life.temp's alleges that "none of the articles in the "Peer Reviewed" section are peer-reviewed". I pointed out to him there definate proof that International Studies Quarterly is indeed peer reviewed at http://www.isq.unt.edu/ . It is common practice for academic journals to be peer reviewed. I should know because I used to edit one myself and contribute to other journals! Peer review is standard practice in all academic journals. That's what makes them 'academic' in the first place. Colin4C (talk) 10:33, 18 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi. Do you have time to look at this? Life.temp (talk) 14:51, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Apology, if I misunderstood you...
I have apologized in the Fox news entry for the comments in which I said you continually repeats the untruth that the UCLA study was never published. I apologize for the confusion. By "republished", I thought you meant the original word document was never actually published in a journal... as in it was published on UCLA's website, but never republished in a journal. If that is what you meant, I of course disagree. But at this point I'm assuming you are saying the journal was published in a journal once, but not twice. So, if that is true, then I apologize for misunderstanding you. I've removed the accusation that you are repeating untruths and have posted an apology. Jsn9333 (talk) 03:22, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Email
Replied to the last, but it came back as being delayed due to insufficient disc space. Let me know if you got it or not; the email that I received said the system would continue trying to deliver it for the next 2 days. - auburn pilot   talk  22:32, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Notification
I have responded to your hypocritical allegations and attempts to mislead the administrator noticeboard. You may find the discussion here. Please stop wasting everyone's time. Jsn9333 (talk) 01:16, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Good Faith
I'd like to ask you to try harder to assume good faith. I must tell you, the admins are perfectly capable of knowing, as they do, that I've actually been editing for years -- just without logging in. If you could try harder to assume good faith, I'm sure I could try harder to do whatever it is that you would say that I should do. Thanks. Urzatron (talk) 03:43, 23 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Reply found here. /Blaxthos ( t / c ) 03:58, 23 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi! I saw your reply and I appreciate it. Urzatron (talk) 04:04, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

My apologies
In reference to this:

I meant no offense. I was trying to maintain some neutrality in my presentation of the situation to others, so as not to "poison the well" as it were. My intent was only to assume the good faith of other editors, not to impugn you or anyone else involved in the dispute. My use of the language I did was to use terms that were as calming and un-offensive as possible to all parties. If I made a mistake, it was on the side of de-escalating the dispute rather than inflaming it, and if that attempt to reduce tension and defuse the situation caused you any harm or negative problems, I am deeply sorry for that, as that was not my intent. --Jayron32. talk . contribs 22:03, 24 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Reply found here. /Blaxthos ( t / c ) 23:04, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Signpost
That'd be great. It's a job that, depending on the week, may or may not involve much work -- some weeks, I do little or no grammar work, while other weeks, there are a few articles with very poor English. Feel free to help out wherever you can -- watch the articles here on Monday, and make edits as you see fit. If you ever are interested in writing an article or one of the blurbs in News and notes, feel free, but just general editing and grammar help would be great as well. Ral315 (talk) 02:34, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

ANI thread about possible RYNORT sockpuppet
Hi, you previously blocked for a month an IP as a possible sockpuppet of RYNORT. The IP's back and griping about you. See WP:ANI. Aleta  Sing 16:32, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Criticism of Bill O'Reilly page/Help
I am having a problem with the usual suspects on the Criticism of Bill O'Reilly Page. I would appreciate it if you could take a look. Thanks Jimintheatl (talk) 18:32, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I apologize if I'm being a pest, but I would appreciate any assistance. Arzel is claiming that merely posting mention of Media Matters campaign against Bill O'Reilly's allegedly homophobic comments violates BLP, which I consider either disingenuous or astonishingly obtuse. He has reverted and referred to violations of BLP numerous times. Jimintheatl (talk) 01:09, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Plot summary at A Simple Plan
I am extremely disappointed to see your recent edit to A Simple Plan. While I recognise that you have issues with the length of the summary (and let me be the first to agree with you that it is still rather longer than is preferable), your re-instatement of a word-for-word copy of the revision that was the focus of the previous edit war stretches to the limit my assumption of good faith. If you believe that the plot summary is still less than optimal (and you have my full agreement if so) then I strongly suggest that you discuss the issue rationally and come to an acceptable compromise (with the emphasis being on compromise). Restarting the eidt war over this article will only get it reprotected, and possibly get you blocked. I am reasonably certain that Drstrangelove57 will revert the article again: I suggest that you do not continue the process. Happy‑melon 09:45, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Hey Blaxthos, don't worry, you win. You can throw the whole article out as you wish. I've changed my mind, not about being right and the article deserving a real plot summary, but about it being worth the trouble.

But I am satisfied that anybody who so much fields a cursory glance at the history of the article's edit war can see your shiftiness, your unrepentant excuse making, your bizarre and questionable motives, and your casual disregard of the judgement of the same admin you brought in once it didn't suit you, not to mention your complete lack of actual work on the article (despite promising some). I might be a hothead who can't keep my mouth shut, and I might not be so familiar with the rules as to be able to field dozens of acronymns to support whatever change I'm pushing for no matter how absurd or offbase, but hey, at least I care about what I'm editing and am not a colossal scumbag.

However, my hat is off to you for pounding me into submission, not an easy task. You've got more staying power than me, bro. Drstrangelove57 (talk) 16:33, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Sorry about that...
I removed the edits first thing this morning and further resolve not to log on to Wikipedia after an evening out... D'Oh! Jimintheatl (talk) 16:48, 10 May 2008 (UTC) Additional apologies and thanks: I guess I misunderstood your role in this community. I had appealed for editorial intervention after I felt others were deleting based on patently false grounds. I thought you had entered the debate in some sort of supervisory position. I am still mortified by my alcohol-induced edits (despite that editor's recalcitrance and sexually-suggestive insults directed at me)and regret any discomfort or embarrassment they may have caused you.Jimintheatl (talk) 02:17, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

I didn't vandalize anything. That info I removed belong in the sections about the films. As it was the article was a bit of bio and then a string of information about negative reviews of Carnahan's films, which is not even remotely encyclopedic or fair. Also, please remember to assume good faith when gauging other editor's edits. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.149.19.166 (talk) 18:04, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

okay
do not give me bogus threats ,do not give a warning to somebody who makes a good faith change and if you wrongfully threatneted me again i will suggest an administrator block for you--Wikiscribe (talk) 17:03, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

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Email
You should have one from me. No rush. - auburn pilot   talk  17:26, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Help on Criticisms of Bill O'Reilly
User: Jimintheatl needs help understanding what edit-warring and consensus is. Since he respects your opinion, can you please help. He's attempting to re-insert the MMfA homophobia campaign, with new language of course, despite the clear consensus against it. Ramsquire (throw me a line) 18:09, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Flcelloguy's Tool
In case you're still curious, I fixed the several bugs the tool had, and released a new version that works. Tito xd (?!? - cool stuff) 08:45, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah, I know what that is. Try it again. Tito xd (?!? - cool stuff) 17:55, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Correct source
I was in the process of correcting the link in What Happened. This is the correct link: http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/0508/McAuliffe_doesnt_like_McClellan_book_either.html Trilemma (talk) 21:59, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Hold on here. The sources in question are not blogs, they are the people who gave the interviews. Are you going to revert when I find news articles for them? I don't want to run into 3RR territory. Trilemma (talk) 22:02, 31 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Sources. Here are updated sources: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/us_world/2008/05/31/2008-05-31_bob_dole_rips_into_scott_mcclellan-3.html

http://www.kxmc.com/getArticle.asp?ArticleId=243583 Trilemma (talk) 22:05, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
 * We can keep discussion on my page if you want. Trilemma (talk) 22:06, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Gretchen Carlson
What is your deal? An anoyn adds vague criticism multiple times with either no reference, non-reliable sources, or sources unrelateted to Carlson in a BLP and you report me for violation of 3RR? I did nothing wrong, and if you had even bothered to read what the actual criticisms were (now that the anoyn has finally put them out there) you would see just how trite they are. Arzel (talk) 04:11, 1 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I've reported this to the Admin noticeboard. Arzel (talk) 04:35, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
 * This link will get you there faster. I think it may be useful to have your comments either there or here; clarification may be the best response. LessHeard vanU (talk) 12:15, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see you have responded between me reviewing and posting the above. Thanks. LessHeard vanU (talk) 12:18, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Re: Accusations of Personal Attacks
Hi Blaxthos. I have been away for a while. On May 9 you left a comment on my page asking me to not resort to personal attacks. You claimed it was on the Criticism of Bill O'Reilly page but I did not see anything there from my glance that was a personal attack. I do admit I had been irritated by what Croctotheface described as "flippant and recalcitrant edits" by Jimintheheatl, but from what I can tell I kept it on the issue. If you could please reference what exactly it was that was so objectionable I can review it. We shouldn't resort to personal attacks so if I accidentally did then I need to be more careful, but it would help as to find what you thought of as one.

I also thank you in advance for not engaging in future personal attacks against myself and Azrel as you had on Jimintheheatl's page in the past. Arnabdas (talk) 20:10, 2 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Reply found here. /Blaxthos ( t / c ) 21:43, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Fox News Channel
Hi Blaxthos. I made some edits to the Fox News Channel article, mostly in the history section. Please feel free to review, edit, tweek, etc. Thanks. Bebestbe (talk) 19:36, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

RfA
Check your email. I think it's still too soon for me; stuff like this is cause for concern. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 22:13, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Oops...
Hey there. Thanks for the heads up. I'm using huggle, and when I see that much content removed, by an anon. user who's already been warned, typically, it's vandalism. I'll check the diff better next time. Cheers, Perfect Proposal  Speak Out!  01:19, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

What Happened article
Blaxthos, this had been the established format. You then blanked it. That is vandalism. Please do not push your point of view, or else I will have to report your abuses. Trilemma (talk) 02:57, 21 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Reply found here. /Blaxthos ( t / c ) 03:08, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Blaxthos, I'd encourage you to not condescend. As you can tell on my user page, I've been on here for more than two years. I know the policies very well. You've tried to use this argument before, when you were misusing the SPS guidelines to remove criticism of politicians you support. Please try to be more evenhanded. Another alternative would be to avoid editing articles in which your personal bias may play a role. Trilemma (talk) 03:10, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I've followed another dispute here. Trilemma, you have been making aggressive edits with rather harsh edit summaries on highly charged political articles.  I think you may need to tone things down a bit.  Your own recent edits are themselves entirely on one side of the political spectrum.  That's okay if you can stay civil and the article stays neutral, but let's not turn this into a war.  Removing an article section while citing a reason is clearly not vandalism, and if you know Wikipedia policy you know that.Wikidemo (talk) 03:18, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I've been following many of the campaign pages and politically related pages and if you check back in history you'll see that amongst other things, I've removed vandalism on the Obama page, when a user inserted "Hillary Clinton" as the vice president. I'm also very concerned about the overall tone of these articles, because they are being influenced disproportionately by people with either declared or undeclared pro-Obama viewpoints. Therefor I have concentrated on gaining a sense of balance and removing NPOV language in the articles. Trilemma (talk) 03:22, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
 * If that's not admitting to being a POV warrior, I don't know what is. Such disruption compromises the integrity of Wikipedia, and I don't think it's welcome here.  /Blaxthos ( t / c ) 03:34, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
 * If you think that trying to maintain NPOV is being a "POV editor", then you probably need to reevaluate your editing philosophy. Trilemma (talk) 12:38, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but if you think that you're "maintaining a neutral point of view" by removing statements by what you consider to be "either declared or undeclared pro-Obama viewpoints" then I think you need to re-read the neutral point of view policy. I can't think of any situation where that sort of declared intent is neutral, welcome, or acceptable -- it is the very essence of a POV warrior.  /Blaxthos ( t / c ) 21:38, 21 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Please read my statement again, as you appear to be misinterpreting it. Your attempt at labeling me an 'NPOV warrior' is both ludicrous and slanderous. My concern is with the effort by editors to remove all attempt at balance in political articles. Your edits have been a prime example. Trilemma (talk) 21:45, 21 June 2008 (UTC)


 * You don't seem to be taking the time to read or comprehend what I'm saying to you, evidenced by misquoting me. As several editors have now noted, not only are your edits motivated by your point of view, but you've openly admitted to furthering your agenda.  In my experience, POV warriors are more interested in furthering their own agenda than they are in actually having productive discussions.  Agenda seems to trump policies, and others' viewpoints aren't actually considered (it's more like "shout... pause... shout again").  That being the case, I don't think additional discussion here with you will be productive.  /Blaxthos ( t / c ) 22:23, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Re: RFCbot question
The bot will do the correction for you. MessedRocker (talk) 21:33, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Notice of report on wikiquette
I have reported your recent activity here. Feel free to respond as you feel necessary. Trilemma (talk) 16:04, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Blaxthos, I have posted a request for you to alter the language in the RfC page to be more neutral. Additionally, I don't think it's appropriate for you to include the substantial body of your points in the cross posting. It's an area for others to comment and I think we ought to leave it as such. Trilemma (talk) 20:29, 22 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Done. /Blaxthos ( t / c ) 21:25, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Trilemma (talk) 21:27, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

FOX News bias statement OK, but NBC News bias statement is not?
I am new to Wikipedia, and am hoping you can explain to me why a statement about the bias on FOX News is considered acceptable, but a similar statement about NBC News is not?

Ediehl (talk) 01:02, 27 June 2008 (UTC) ediehl 26JUN08

Bias
Your sources noted in the article are Slate, the Democratic Party, and Media Matters. Hardly neutral observers on the issue.

Can I then assume that if I reference 3 or more similar sources highlighting NBC bias (in fact, there are quotes from some NBC staff indicating such) that my edit will not be removed from the NBC article?

Your comment "The perception of bias regarding Fox News is much more pronounced than it is for NBC." is clearly your opinion, not fact. That is not my opinion, nor the opinion of millions of other people. I can't see how you can use this as an argument to keep the bias argument ON the Fox article, and take it OFF the NBC article.

Ediehl (talk) 03:56, 27 June 2008 (UTC) Ediehl 26JUN08

Yes, I'm a Conservative, but...
Yes, I'm a Conservative but that doesn't make me immediately "POV pushing." I was making certain articles more neutral, by changing words like progressive to liberal and removing quotation marks from things that do not require them but makes one side seem right and the other wrong. In response to Al Franken, I personally hate the guy. He's the Anti-O'Reilly. He's become a liberal windbag. He is a hypocrite and a liar (frankenlies.com is my reference.) Try researching my edits and see where I'm coming from before dismissing me as crazy or an asshole.PokeHomsar (talk) 02:25, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

WP:ANI

 * A thread has been opened regardive to you in WP:ANI Smith Jones (talk) 02:50, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

your welcome

 * Your welcome, happy to help thand thanks for the help with my userpage. im not Really that great with the comprter stuff or working with wikicode. Much appreciated~ Smith Jones (talk) 03:20, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

What?
What political agenda am I inserting in the actual articles? Please, I want examples on this one.PokeHomsar (talk) 04:30, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

If anything, you are being biased by snuffing out my neutrality edits of political articles. You, sir, are being biased. You need to read all four books by Bernard Goldberg before we can finish this discussion.PokeHomsar (talk) 04:36, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

iPod Article
Actually, if my question WAS answered, it could have IMPROVED the article. If the iPod headphones were in fact also microphones, that could be added to the article., I couldn't find it on the Internet or in the article itself and I wanted to know. Stop going after me for every little thing.PokeHomsar (talk) 16:53, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Bias Reply
"I can also say that if your main motivation in coming to Wikipedia as a new editor is to try and discredit organizations with which you disagree politically you're probably in the wrong place -- we're more interested in having editors who are interested in building an encyclopedia than we are in having editors looking to service a particular agenda. This isn't to say you're unwelcome, but so far you're acting like a single purpose account -- you might be better off contributing to less controversial topics until you learn our policies, guidelines, and norms."

My intent is to fairly represent both sides. I thought that was part of Wikipedia's mission, but I am not convinced of that at this point. I came across this discrepancy (highlighting bias on one station, with no mention of it on the other) by accident and it struck me as odd.

Ediehl (talk) 23:50, 1 July 2008 (UTC) ediehl 01JUL08

See O'Reilly vs. Olbermann below
Very well, Blaxthos, direct me to the provision in the Manual of Style which says that readers should not be given cues such as (see O'Reilly vs. Olbermann below). Badmintonhist (talk) 21:32, 2 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Reply here. /Blaxthos ( t / c ) 23:46, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

And you think that (see such and such) is what is meant by "instructional and presumptuous" language. You gotta be kidding. Badmintonhist (talk) 00:51, 3 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Reply here. /Blaxthos ( t / c ) 03:26, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

The Manual of Style hardly provides a ringing endorsement of your interpretation. It says that "it is usually preferable to avoid phrases such as remember that and note that. "Usually preferable" is not exactly a hard and fast rule, Blaxthos. Moreover, it doesn't even address the parenthetical (see the Manual of Style) which, in fact, is often used in encyclopedias. As for presumptuous language, it is referring to phrases such as "of course" and "obviously" which presume prior knowledge on the part of the reader. Badmintonhist (talk) 01:56, 3 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Reply here. /Blaxthos ( t / c ) 03:26, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Perceptions of Ideological Orientation
Not quite sure of the point you're making. Please explain further. Badmintonhist (talk) 04:21, 6 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Reply here. /Blaxthos ( t / c ) 21:18, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Illegal immigration to the United States
We've got a new rash of recently created accounts making the same edit to this article as happened before. Specifically, they are removing the reference to United States Code Title 8 Section 1325 where it states that illegal immigration is a crime. I sent you this message because you helped deal with this the last time it happened (last time, the users all ended up being sockpuppets). Your assistance in straightening out this mess would be appreciated once more.-75.179.153.110 (talk) 02:27, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Please stay involved with this. There is one editor who is pushing an idea that the rest of us have told him is wrong.  He keeps bringing in sources which are unreliable and removing references to the US legal code on an issue of law.  He refuses to cooperate.  There's no way I can address this problem unless you all stay involved.-75.179.153.110 (talk) 00:44, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Go Away
Obviously, you have too much time on your hands, so I'll make it simple for you:

Keep your patronizing condescension off my Talk Page. I have absolutely no interest in any discussion with you.

Furthermore, you have no right to lecture me about anything. You will end your harassment of me NOW.

And, it's just that simple. Or do you require me to draw pictures?

PainMan (talk) 15:16, 11 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Message was regarding this, reply to this post is here. /Blaxthos ( t / c ) 03:41, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Kafka rises again: I was the one attacked
{{divbox|grey|Concatenation| This is getting absolutely surreal. I was the one who was attacked in profane and abusive terms and you are threatening me with being banned? (A silly "threat" in any event. A "banned" person need only have his or her IP address!)

I am not going to be deprived of my First Amendment rights to express my opinions by threats and personal attacks.


 * To whit: this was posted on my page, anonymously, by IP address 66.72.199.201:


 * You certainly are an opinionated bastard, your right, it is your page, why not light it on fire and shove it up your ass...no one gives a shit about your point of view...

I merely repaid, in kind, how this person attacked me. Everytime I am libeled in such a manner I have every right to respond--both with a posted response or thru legal means. If one's going to play in the bigs, one shouldn't complain about the fastballs.

The person who needs to be "reprimanded" is this 66.72.199.201 who didn't even have the guts to sign the post; I found the IP address only by checking the History of my talk page.

I furthermore reject your characterization of my posts as trying to advance political ideologies or form fan clubs.

I have not committed either of these spurious charges. The first one obviously demonstrates that what you find objectionable are my beliefs and the second makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. "Form a fan club?" When? Where? And with whom have I tried to do this? If I have formed friendships or acquaintanceships or have conversations with other editors, they are, frankly, none of your business.

Demonstrating absurdity...
'This really is'' surreal. My post on the Talk Page on the "Vast Right Wing Conspiracy" article was obviously "tongue-in-cheek." No intelligent person could possibly believe I was serious--or apparently not.' Obviously, you did.''  Unbelievable.

Are you really so devoid of a sense of humor that you couldn't recognize it for what it was? NO ONE could seriously believe I was trying to "form" a club or any kind of association. The entire article is absurdity itself. I was demonstrating absurdity by being absurd. A well-known and completely acceptable technique of forensics and other art forms. The entire show South Park (and Archie Bunker and the The Simpsons and much of Monty Python's oeuvre!!) is based on the concept!

Congratulations, this is one of the few times in my life I have been rendered (momentarily) speechless. And I didn't think wikipedia couldn't get any sillier.

Who are you?
 Just who''' are you that have this power? And what has caused you to begin this persecution of me? Persecution that is not only out of the blue, but wholly unjustified.'''

If you hold some kind of official position with wikipedia, I demand you provide with the name of one (or more) of your supervisors (or any person who fits the generally accepted meaning of that term).

Barnstar Award Holder
I further remind you that I am wikipedia Barnstar award holder for, in the text of the award, I award PainMan this barnstar for his unfailing devotion to the neutral POV and the truth in the face of ideological editors. I match this against your baseless, personal attacks upon me.

PainMan (talk) 02:51, 12 July 2008 (UTC)}}
 * Reply here. /Blaxthos ( t / c ) 03:39, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

No Threats of Lawsuit Made
I made NO threat to file a law suit against wikipedia or ANYONE for that matter. In fact, I never used the word "lawsuit", "attorney" or "lawyer."  I only stated that I will respond to libel. This is a right that everyone has in the US (and all other Anglo-Saxon countries whether by statute or common law).

Therefore, I completely reject the interpretation of my mention of a legal right as a "threat."

I reiterate: if I continue to be subjected to obscene and abusive attacks I reserve all the right to take all legal measures (meaning "measures within the law"

If I were serious (about suing), someone would either have been, or would soon be the recipient of a visit by a process server. '''I have, at this point, no intention of taking legal action against anyone. ).'''

Truce?
I have no problem with a truce. If you leave me alone, I'll leave you alone. As always, there are exceptions. If either of us should make a factual mistake, I see problem with notifying each other, or things of that nature.

If you wish to discuss whatever subject in a civil manner, I have no problem with that either. I don't hold grudges (unless you're my ex-wife) nor do I "wage wars" against people (as much as I have been tempted a few times).

In fact, I have formed friendships that have started off far more acriminously than this. Anything is possible.  But, frankly, I don't understand how a post that was obviously parody could have caused this much fuss.

Warrior
Yes, I do fight for my beliefs. And whether you mean that contemptuously or merely descriptively, I accept it proudly. A person unwilling to fight for his principles doesn't have any.

Many contributions
I have made many contributions that I feel have improved the quality of wikipedia articles; and, by extention, wikipedia in general. If you find these contributions to have been of no value, I don't no what else to say except that, obviously, I disagree. ''' I have also co-authored one article; see Agri Decumates. I am particularly proud to have taken part in the collaboration that created this article. ''' (Though, in the interests of accuracy, I must say that all graphics came from my collaborator.)

With 2M+ articles it's difficult to find any topic which has not been "done" yet so I think I can also, justifiably take pride in the fact that I was the first person to write an article on this subject (it was sheer co-incidence that my collaborator happened to be working on an article on this subject at the same time I was; rather like Newton and Leibniz and calculus, I happened to post mine first).

Controversy
I have been a party to several controversies, but who hasn't?

Many (contentious) articles concern subjects that, to say the least, stir strong feelings and touch of "core beliefs". Controversy is natural. If you don't like how I conduct myself in controversy, again, I don't know what to say but, "obviously, I disagree

It can, of course, go to extremes (as everything seems to these days). The mess about Steve Irwin's article comes to mind. I eventually just gave up. The slightest correction of grammar or spelling was instantly reverted. It was a flat-out circus.

Not an official
If you are not an administrator (and while I know wikipedia does not use the usual terminologies, there are certainly analogues to the "admins" and other positions found on more standard chat boards), then fine. We can discuss our issues vis-a-vis.

I thought you were an admin (for the sake of brevity let us agree to use that term in its standard sense) because of the, frankly, imperious and patronizing tone of the first two of the three posts you've placed on my Talk Page. ' A more, ah, collegial'' tone would be far better way for you to approach people. Or, to use one of my grandmother's country sayings, "You attract more flies with honey than vinegar."' Especially when the supposed "violation" of some wikipedia "policy" was clearly'' not intended as such.

Nor do I appreciate your attempt to use wikipedia policies to beat me about the head or neck.

Now, do you wanna be buddies, or what?

PainMan (talk) 03:53, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Barnstars
Do you have to write everything in a condescending tone?

And, I would have thought it would have been understood the tone as, again, being one of parody, farcical even. Is Monty Python really being serious in the song (from The Meaning of Life) in their musical number, "Every Sperm Is Sacred"? Is Rush Limbaugh being literal when he says, "Half my brain tied behind my back just to make it fair?" The examples I could adduce are endless.

Do you consider anything funny? You had to know both the post about Barnstars and the post I made on that ridiculous article on the mythical "Vast Right Wing Conspiracy" were not in anyway intended seriously.

'''Frankly, I have no idea where you're coming from. I am reminded of a line from that horrible third season episode of Star Trek: The Original Series, The Way to Eden, "Brother, you don't reach."''' (Does the joke, however retroactive, of Charles Napier as a "space" hippie reach you?) There are very, very few people whom I can't figure out. And this I mean seriously. Talking to you feels like walking blind folded through a field of punji sticks.

Anyone with any sense can figure out that an award that can be handed out from one editor to another, without any sort of vetting process, is, as you describe it, a "kindness." It's a little more than that, imo, because of the person it came from. One of the greatest Righters (pun intentional) of Liberal/Socialist bias that Wikipedia has.

Thus, I take especial pride in it.

(On the other hand: taking down that punk who defaced my page without the guts to sign it was serious business for me. I am not a "turn the other cheek" kind of guy.  If one throws merde in my direction, one had better duck.  Quickly.)

Bottom-line it
So what's it to be between us?

War?

Mutual inattention?

Truce?

The ball, as they say, is in your court.

PainMan (talk) 04:25, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

We haven't exactly gotten off on the right foot...
...given our acrimonious exchanges.

However, whilst reverting a couple of paragraphs in the Tim Russert article something went seriously whacko with the References. I've looked and looked and looked and I can't figure if I accidentally did it or if the problem was there before.

I simply don't know.

I am somewhat dyslexic so, perhaps, I've missed something.

If you mean what you say about a "cooperative community", well, I need some cooperation--lest someone gets the fool idea I was "vandalizing" the page.

PainMan (talk) 06:24, 14 July 2008 (UTC)


 * It appears this issue was resolved before I got this message. /Blaxthos ( t / c ) 11:37, 14 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Any idea of what happened to cause the problem?

PainMan (talk) 15:41, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

John Edwards
I understand why you deleted this talk section (but not why you didn't delete Talk:John Edwards but I think it is a mistake not to have a talk page section that addresses why this shouldn't be included in the article to (hopefully) preempt those newbies who desire to do so. However, if you are going to be vigilant to revert these discussions and the additions to the article, I guess there is no problem. &#8756; Therefore | talk 17:08, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Wow! My second barnstar!
Muchas gracias Blaxthos. Badmintonhist (talk) 01:10, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Edwards alternative
Would appreciate your feedback at Talk:John Edwards. Thanks! You obviously got a bad rap. Hey, I've been criticized in the past from the National Review Online! :-) &#8756; Therefore | cogito·sum 21:13, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

I assumed good faith until he started claiming consensus when it was against him. Additionally, I made no personal attacks as my comments were about his actions, not him personally. Thanks for playing though, not sure why you decided to include that comment after the discussion was over. AzureFury (talk) 16:20, 30 July 2008 (UTC)


 * For the record (not really necessary) I never claimed consensus was on my side -- I claimed consensus was required for resolution. Nuance. If you are interested, there has been good press too: See Talk:John Edwards. &#8756; Therefore | cogito·sum 23:26, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Edwards coatrack
There is a discussion on the talk page about this -- could you please come and explain your position? Thanks! &#8756; Therefore | cogito·sum 03:07, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Right. I typed those comments in a hurry, as I have to depart my home rather soon. But I can see where I might have inadvertently subconscously implied the affair was anything but "alleged". Ethereal (talk) 03:53, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

The ways and means of RfCs
I know you are a veteran of this page, so I hope you don't take this advice as patronizing, but will understand if you do. I have always found the following process helpful in resolving page disputes via an RfC:


 * Attempt first to gain agreement that the time is ready for an RfC. I would argue that we weren't yet at that stage, possibly more a reflection of your frustration and less that we had exhausted the discussion. We did clarify the issues towards the beginning of the RfC and no uninvolved editors participated because the discussion was dominated by page editors, which reflected both that the RfC was an interruption of an ongoing debate and that the RfC summary didn't reflect their views.


 * Secondly, and I've always found this critical, first propose the text of the RfC to allow participating editors the chance to review and amend so that the conflict summary and description reflects the page arguments instead of only one editor's viewpoint. Then it would be written neutrally and formatted along the lines of:


 * Dispute title


 * Dispute summary: ....


 * User A and B contend ....
 * User C contends ....

By going through this process, you end up with the assurance that arguments have been clearly laid out, assisting new editors to understand the issues and not only your viewpoint, and that all editors have participated. This avoids new editors having to read the entire talk page and participating editors having to rush in to get their viewpoints across, Otherwise, you end up giving the impression that you are controlling the page process to your advantage and I know that wasn't your intent. Such a deliberative way of doing things makes for calmer discussions and enhances the quality of outside comments because they understand the scope of the problem. Obviously, if the dispute is intractable and you are up against an uncooperative editor, then unilateral action may be required. I'd like to think that didn't describe our situation. &#8756; Therefore cogito·sum 15:07, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Edwards
Fighting with pigs...etc etc. So I suppose you might pick your battles more carefully in future and be less quick to assume bad faith and throw around personal insults. You argued that nothing belonged in the article and I fought you and defeated your view, with (contrary to your claim) no significant developments in the story. You then refused 300 words, called me a pig and almost immediately with no further developments a full article gained a strong consensus against your position. Well now it turns out there was only one "pig" in this story, the man who you twisted wikipedia to defend, needlessly shaming our site insulting others and beclowning yourself to defend. Let this be a lesson in humility for you.Bonobonobo (talk) 22:28, 8 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Reply here. /Blaxthos ( t / c ) 23:17, 8 August 2008 (UTC)


 * No no, I understood the arguement, but they were wrong, humble, much?Bonobonobo (talk) 23:20, 8 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Reply here. /Blaxthos ( t / c ) 23:29, 8 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Look, humility man. That's my last word, humility, all the best with that.Bonobonobo (talk) 23:32, 8 August 2008 (UTC)


 * In my world, the only thing more effective than satire is irony. /Blaxthos ( t / c ) 23:39, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

the good fight
Thanks - I don't wear out easily. Tvoz / talk 07:03, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

McCain edit war
In Talk:Political positions of John McCain, you advised Trilemma to accept the compromise and move on. He rejected your sage advice. He and Arzel have been tirelessly edit warring on the point. What irks me even more than the substance of their edits is the incessant reference to an alleged established consensus. In practice, their argument translates to meaning that, once a majority (not consensus) of editors rejected a particular version, then no further editing could be undertaken, no discussion of compromise was permissible, and the subject was banned from the article until the end of time. I've tried to explain that that's not how Wikipedia works, but I appear to be talking to the wall.

I'm reaching out to you on this because you were one of those who opposed the full quotation but accepted that making some reference to it was an appropriate outcome of the post-survey discussion. You said, and I agreed, that "we're not going to call another !vote." Unfortunately, at this point, I don't know if there's anything we can do other than repeat the whole exercise. Do you have any ideas? JamesMLane t c 15:44, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

See WP:BLP/N
-- Noroton (talk) 18:09, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

My fnc edit
So let me get this straight in the first few paragraphs fox is allowed to be critized but NBC isn't, doesn't sound very fair does it?? Then again wikipedia isn't about being fair or correct now is it?? Cedarpointohio2 (talk) 04:00, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

why delete Plutoxin7?
Um seriously, it served as one of the driving forces in the plot. It was the way they convinced Plissken to actually go to LA in the first place.--Marhawkman (talk) 04:02, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5250_emulator
I am a "newbie" so I am confused? I made my first edits and before the ink is dry, they were reverted. What exactly did I do wrong?

Steve Wiki4stevecooper (talk) 15:23, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Bill O'Reilly (commentator); "youtube video"
"mislead". By whom? By me? If so please point out the misleading part since it absolutely wasn't my intention. Thanks, --Floridianed (talk) 00:58, 19 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your response. I replied here . (like to keep a discussion/conversation together as you see ;)  regards, --Floridianed (talk) 02:08, 19 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Replied again: Regards, --Floridianed (talk) 04:21, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Countdown Special Comment of August 18
If the description of Olbermann's special comment comes from the "source itself" all the more reason not to use it. A politically biased commentator's description of a politically biased set of comments is likely to be politically biased. Badmintonhist (talk) 19:45, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

You realize, of course, that most of the other "special comment" descriptions are also "original research" and that none of them are properly sourced. By the standard you are holding me to none of these descriptions should even exist. Badmintonhist (talk) 21:11, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

McCain comment
Thanks for that reference...I searched google for quite awhile looking for a "reliable source" quoting him.  Azure Fury  (talk | contribs) 01:29, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Bethany Joy Galeotti
Hello,

I understand that I have been making numerous edits and pages concerning information that isn't exactly news worthy. I was just hoping that you wouldn't dismiss the articles that I created as the result of an overzealous fan. In trying to update her pages I thought it would improve the information this website provides on Bethany Joy Galeotti by making her discography page and others concerning her music career.

If you can give me some specific pointers on how to improve the pages so that they aren't deleted that would be wonderful! I'm not sure if I should make the articles you have nominated for speedy deletion into stubs or what. I'd really appreciate some help because I'd hate to see these articles deleted. Please respond. Thank you.

HushSound (talk) 03:03, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Hey!
Thank you for the quick response, I appreciate it. I hope I don't get annoying with all the questions I have but I'm not exactly an expert at this. I've tried to cite as many reliable sources such as her official website and I'm not sure if it gets any more reliable than information coming straight out of the horses mouth so...

Here are the links to the articles you have nominated for speedy deletion:

Songs in My Pockets Preincarnate Come On Home The Starter Kit

I'm not sure what exactly to do in order to improve the articles. Shall I convert them into stubs? Or what do I do to make them into appropriate articles? I know you sent me the warning but I think it'd be easier for me to understand the rules coming from you. :) Again thanks!

HushSound (talk) 03:37, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Keith Olbermann
Missed the point? I don't think there's much of a "point" to this article, other than to promote Mr. Olbermann and MSNBC. There's no reason that this garbage can't be included in his own article. I'll have to say, Blax, that I'm surprised to see such a spirited defense of this article. I've always thought of you as a "deletionist", although as I become more of a deletionist myself, I often find myself agreeing with you. But not on this. Mandsford (talk) 20:10, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * No hard feelings, certainly, and no loss of respect either. You stand by the rules even when it's not the popular thing to do.  In this case, I am concerned about the precedent it would set to allow what I see as a content fork (though I can understand the analogy to notable episodes of a television show, with notable being based on whether it's independently covered).  I still don't see this as being something separate from the article about Olbermann himself.  Anyway, that's my $0.02 worth.  Thanks for the note. Mandsford (talk) 00:10, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Hello
I noticed you removed my addition of Bill O'reilly being criticized by Free Press/Bill Moyers. This is fact. While I may not have the time to expand it as well as some other sections, please do not go about removing it. Thank you. &eta;oian  &Dagger;orever &eta;ew &Dagger;rontiers  01:03, 29 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I believe the Huffington Post is a secondary source, no? &eta;oian   &Dagger;orever &eta;ew &Dagger;rontiers  01:15, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
 * In addition, the current criticism is more than just a rival, as Bill Moyers is not a rival. &eta;oian   &Dagger;orever &eta;ew &Dagger;rontiers  01:17, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Also, I generally am the type that adds things in bit and pieces, usually having multiple edits to see how it look. I did add the expand tag and did source quite a bit of what I added. If you do not feel that it is neutral, feel free to change it. I did notice you removed my revision of the start, which I did to make it more neutral (at least imo). &eta;oian   &Dagger;orever &eta;ew &Dagger;rontiers  01:19, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I've changed the section to accusations of ambushing and made the bill moyers one a subsection, after finding this source.

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/sleuth/2008/07/a_media_ambush_in_rep_wexler_v.html It's in comments though so its not viewable until someone else adds more info to it. Feel free to change things as you see. &eta;oian  &Dagger;orever &eta;ew &Dagger;rontiers  01:33, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Here is another fun cite that can be used:

http://www.pbs.org/engage/blog/bill-moyers-quoto039reilly-factorquot-producer-go-it &eta;oian  &Dagger;orever &eta;ew &Dagger;rontiers  01:35, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

FoxNews FAQ
I am not sure why you changed the FAQ to encompass something more than the lead of the article. It seems that the FAQ was made to summarize discussion of the introduction, not the entire article. Also, I am not sure why you believe there was sneaky wording. I asked for discussion on the talk page and you seemed to agree with the additions. I'm a little confused by your apparent change in attitude towards it. Ramsquire (throw me a line) 19:08, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Electric pipa
This didn't even need an afd discussion. You could've just merged it to Pipa, which is exactly what I did. Also, "merge and delete" violates GFDL, but I did merge and redirect, as I found it a logical enough choice. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 01:57, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Bias
Here's a gnews search. There are many reviews, it was a well-hyped and well-known book, remember seeing stacks of it at bookstores. Significant parts of this book and this book are devoted to countering it. I'd take long odds it wouldn't fail AfD. I agree the article is not too good, though you may be deleting too much, some summary is OK. There are refs, some oblique, e.g to Franken and an NYT review on the talk page that attest to its notability. Regards,John Z (talk) 12:21, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Easterns Automotive Group
Please see my comments at Articles for deletion/Easterns Automotive Group. --Eastmain (talk) 17:06, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Bill O'Reilly Criticism/Reliable Sources
Hello. I feel I'm in danger of crossing some line (again...) on this page. I thought we had resolved the RS issue that Arzel had raised on the teen pregnancy edit. A new user, Tom, who was not involved in the discussion, is now deleting sources on the same grounds. Can you advise?Jimintheatl (talk) 21:07, 13 September 2008 (UTC)


 * User Arzel is raising the RS flag again, removing countdown cite. Another user who is arguing more on Blog can be used/not seems to be mistaking this as related. I'd like a third party opinion. &eta;oian   &Dagger;orever &eta;ew &Dagger;rontiers  04:31, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Mick Boogie
Hi Blaxthos. I've added some references to the article, which might address your concerns. Paul Erik (talk) (contribs) 04:39, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Your continued attempt to ping

 * Hi there, I appreciate your loaded comments and attempts to perpetuate something you haven't given enough time to research. The edit that I made on the FNC article was the result of a current audit on the article, in order to validate claims of an attack page and a possible move to delete the article. This was on behalf of a conglomerate of administrators who have taken up the issue. So, again I thank you for your comments, but no, I won't be blocked from editing. Furthermore, any future attempts by your IP address to gain information on this account will [again] be reported. Please stop threatening other editors. This edit has been forwarded. Thanks! Have a wonderful day..! Wikiport (talk) 05:47, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Stop writing to me requesting personal information. You have been reported, leave it at that. Wikiport (talk) 08:39, 18 September 2008 (UTC)


 * This is the weirdest warning template I've ever seen, no where do I see that it is illegal to use the free tools on WP for IP's, and warning other users is not threatening. &eta;oian  &Dagger;orever &eta;ew &Dagger;rontiers  04:48, 19 September 2008 (UTC)


 * No worries, Noian... he's lying. There is no "conglomerate of administrators" that asked him to do anything, and I've never asked anyone for personal or identifying information.  Finally, there is nothing to "report" and no "reporting" has been done.  His claims are comical.  ;-)  /Blaxthos ( t / c ) 11:33, 19 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Seriously Blaxthos? I think it's about time you drop the subject, it's getting pretty silly. I look forward to your work on Wikipedia! Thanks so much! Wikiport (talk) 04:16, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

I've warned him over the bad faith G10's. The above comment by him is just stupid. He hasn't edited today, but I've got him "on my radar" so to speak. Hopefully he'll grow up and engage in the project. One hopes so. He's had sufficent warnings, and if I'd been less charitable he'd already be blocked under WP:POINT Pedro : Chat  11:46, 19 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Blax, even a basic look at your history concludes that you attack anything Republican or conservative. You seem like you are here to argue rather than contribute anything substantial. I am one of the many users that tires of your constant quoting of policy to serve your agenda here. There are plenty of talk-pages filled with individuals, some who are admins, who also grow tired of your POV constantly polluting Wikipedia. I kindly asked you to refrain from contacting me. Simple now yes? But hey, Thanks so much!! Wikiport (talk) 07:44, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Anthropos yia oles tis doulies
I am not sure about the English title, do not remove the article, for now until the article is tidy, put the Spelling correction template instead on top of the article, thank you. Pumpie (talk) 01:53, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

The article will no be removed, the reason that a much of that article including the top, the table, cast and the website sections are not affected. Put the spelling/punctuation template at the plot section, that is the only part of the article that are not okay, thank you. I will properly translate by more words and not less on upcoming articles that are coming soon right here on the 'pedia. Pumpie (talk) 02:41, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Blogs
I would have to take a closer look to know if your assertion that it is "standard practice" for newspapers to subject their blog posts to the same editorial review, but I know that, recently, for example, NBC was forced to disclose that its blogs were not subject to the same editorial review that their scripts are (following a dustup with some reporter's opinion working its way into a blog post). Since the source in question is from CNN, and not a newspaper, and given the recent situation from NBC (and the lack of any affirmative statement from CNN that I can find), I'm still hesitant. Also, there's no mention of "blogs" on wp:rs, and a minor footnote on wp:v doesn't leave me convinced, especially when it comes to a wp:blp. Feel free to respond here. user:j   (aka justen)   03:58, 20 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I dug up the revision and the discussion which led to that footnote at wp:v. In my interpretation, that discussion referred exclusively to blogs hosted by newspapers which are effectively "interactive columns" that just happen to call themselves blogs or which just happen to use blogging software for content management.  Merely being a broadcast journalist and posting to a blog, perhaps even if that blog is hosted by a reliable source, does not alone deem the blog itself a reliable source.  (Wording that would have accepted such blogs as "reliable sources" was specifically removed by consensus from wp:v.)  I'm particularly surprised that, if what CNN is blogging about is indeed fact, why it hasn't been reported by a reliable source (or, in fact, by CNN in an undeniably editorially-controlled medium).  A few newspapers have editorialized Fiorina's comments and the subsequent cancellation of a media appearance or appearances, but none seem to have actually reported on the situation.  In any event, at this point it isn't biographical, it's current news (or rumour, as the case may be), and I will likely remove it as such.    user:j    (aka justen)   04:30, 20 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm a newspaper editor, and I can say that it is not necessarily "standard practice" for newspapers to edit website comments or blogs. Some newspapers moderate website comments--that is, they reject posted comments that fail to meet a set of standards. Those that do appear, however, are typically unedited: The law discourages editing of reader comments because, although unedited comments are the responsibility of their authors, once an editor becomes involved, the newspaper becomes liable for any libelous content. As for a blog that is restricted to a paper's editorial staff, it should be noted that it has the benefit of being written by trained professionals who are aware of journalistic standards and ethics, and thus can be considered substantially more reliable than comment boards open to the public. (The degree of its reliability is dependent, of course, on the reliability of the newspaper itself). Still, few papers have sufficient resources to employ dedicated blog editors. Even at major dailies, blog entries are typically published as written without being subjected to the same rigorous editorial process as print articles. A writer will often consult an editor on issues that are particularly tricky, though. Rangergordon (talk) 04:50, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Section deletion on Talk:Fox News Channel
The edit summary for your recent deletion of a section in the Fox News talk page (headed "So What's Wrong With Promoting Conservative Ideals?") read "stupid popups, removed per TALK/NOT". It is unclear, however, what your objection was: As I tried to explain in my edit summary, "According to WP:TALK, 'It is always a good idea to explain your views," and "WP:SOAP applies to articles, not talk pages."

You may have intended to remove a section headed "Fox News Viewers' Foreign Policy instead, which is not mine (although, because of quirks in Wikipedia's diff tool, it would be easy to make such a mistake.) I don't use "popups," but apparently you were having trouble with it.

However, if it wasn't a simple mistake, and you were actually objecting to the content of my section on the talk page, I'd appreciate a more thorough justification for the deletion--at least so that I can avoid similar errors in the future. After all, if WP:TALK does not mean what it says, then how can it be interpreted? Rangergordon (talk) 04:13, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

When is enough enough?

 * Blax, I have been informed and re-informed of your intentions to block opposing view points from yours. I get it. I think you have sufficiently voiced your opinion. Now, as I stated on the FNC talk page, if you think it is a waste of time, don't contribute! Believe me, I was never seeking your help. So, I'm glad we agree that your word carries as much weight as mine. Thanks again! Wikiport (talk) 22:19, 21 September 2008 (UTC)


 * And again, you continue to stalk my contributions, only to levy false accusations. I think your intent is clear here, now I would appreciate it if you would kindly stop your negative movement to silence other editors. Thanks so much! And, thanks for your wonderful work here at Wikipedia!! Wikiport (talk) 05:15, 22 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Now for the third time we are in a discussion regarding ANI. I'm not sure why you are taking my comments so personal, but I will assure you that my goal here is to improve the FNC article, as well as others. I have no agenda or political goals here. Now, in your contention at ANI you stated I used quotation marks in a condescending manner, that was not my intention. However, your entry here : [This "editor" has now been "blocked" for "disruption". //Blaxthos ( t / c ) 14:28, 27 September 2008 (UTC)] looks a bit condescending, but I didn't take any offense. I think we are wasting our time here, when we could concentrate on other issues. You may not agree with my edits, but I may not agree with your either. That is the great thing about Wikipedia. In the end, let's realize it is our differences which make this process great. Best of luck on your current ANI reporting, I hope you get the solution you wish for. Until then, lets work on FNC in a constructive manner. Wikiport (talk) 21:17, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Advice Please
I know you know that I am seeking advice on how to get across to Jim that a lot of his contributions are not in the best interest in the project. As you also know, we have had a lot of problems with Arzel in the past with his white-washing of articles. My post on the Criticisms of BOR page was only to say that Arzel is right in the limited sense that there should be some agreed level for inclusion, and that we should strive to get the best sources. It is not meant as any endorsement of Arzel, as in my opinion Jim and Arzel seem to be mirror images of each other. Of course, as expected Croc immediately took my post to call into question my conduct -- as if that has any relevance to the point I am trying to make. I'm asking you for your thoughts on how do I get across that Jim's conduct should be addressed, considering a) the subject of Jim's contribution is an unlikeable fellow (to say the least) and b) the whole [Tu quoque] argument that is sure to follow. BTW-- I am aware of your bias in this situation regarding the users involved, the subject, and the subject matter, but again I trust your reasoning, and am sure you can help me. Ramsquire (throw me a line) 22:12, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the reply on both the article as well as my talk page. I think you hit the nail on the head with Jim.  I don't want to run him off or poison the well with him as much as I did with Arzel.  I think some of the friction that still exists there can be laid at our initial meetings, and I don't want to make the same mistake twice.  As for Croc, I know he is a good editor, but we always have these problems at BOR pages.  Without commenting on him per se, I'll say that that situation is one of the reasons I recuse myself and never edit on the KO articles  (or Steven A. Smith for that matter).  Ramsquire (throw me a line) 23:17, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

FNC RFC
Blax, I'm writing to appeal to you to remove your comments regarding the FNC RFC that I nominated. I'm making a legitimate attempt to adhere to policy. In all fairness, I removed a comment of mine to ensure it doesn't get cluttered or invite other conversation within the RFC section. I believe that your "big ass red box" and follow on comments under my "vote" don't really help the issue of finding out if consensus has changed. Thanks. Wikiport (talk) 06:20, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Hi! In regard to your recent edit to the findings of the FNC RFC, I will assume WP:good faith, and have reverted it in accordance with WP:RFC. There is no mention of voting what-so-ever. I thank you for your comments in the RFC and look forward to your most valuable contributions in the future. Should you have a question regarding this RFC, please familiarize yourself with WP:RFC. Congratulations on your shiny "virtual" award below! Wikiport (talk) 16:34, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Guess you deserve this

 * You are very welcome and thanks for the nice words.  Docku: “what up?”  03:25, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

On the MSNBC lead
Whether or not specific observers of MSNBC are cited in the introduction makes little difference to me. I was only following the advice of your esteemed colleague Warren who had flagged the item for its lack of specifically named "critics and ...observers." A bit ironic, aye? Badmintonhist (talk) 02:28, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Synthpop
How the hell is any of the material you deleted mine? That stuff was originally there. Also, you don't realise that Electroclash and A Different Drum DO exist officially notably and are sourced in their articles. Perhaps their sections need to be rewritten, but certainly not deleted as they are notable revivals. Put "citation needed" here and there, or cut an paste sources from their articles/find new ones for them. I'll help. In addition, other people were pointing out OTHER things as original research, not that, so it's just you pointing that out. Thanks. Angry Shoplifter (talk) 07:39, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Emergency Medical Dispatcher
... which you had prod'ed has been restored. If you wish to pursue deletion of this page, you may do so at Articles for deletion. --Philosopher Let us reason together. 06:33, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

BLP and O'Reilly
I'm responding here because i don't want to take up anymore on the article talk page from what is really a side issue. My understanding is that you don't get around BLP by simply saying "let's discuss" at the end. So no you don't have to bring sources to the talk page (it helps though), but you also could and should present the info without the negative characterizations attached. Specifically he characterized O'Reilly negatively and titled the section inappropriately. He could have gotten his concerns addressed just as equally by not going to such polemic language in the first place. when I first read it, it came across as one of the soapboxy rants that pop up from time to time. I'll agree that erasing the entire section may be a bit much though, and and also agree that paraphrasing the other statements would have been a more effective and less restrictive alternative. Ramsquire (throw me a line) 23:20, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Palin
Please comment briefly: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Sarah_Palin#Book_Banning Right now, the article only says she inquired as to censoring books, without even saying why. That's oversanitizing the article. RafaelRGarcia (talk) 22:10, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Hello ghostrider
I'm not going to waste any more space in the Olbermann talk section, Blax. The fact of the matter is that I didn't propose any change to the Olbermann article that wasn't properly sourced. We all have our opinions about the people described in Wikipedia. You, in particular, have strong opinions about them. Not too long ago I had to edit your piece on the book Angler: The Cheney Vice Presidency because it editorialized not in the article's talk page but in the article itself. Moreover, I did so without lecturing you at the time. Go back and check if you've forgotten. By the way, that Angler article still has only one reference, an article by the book's author. Not exactly the most unbiased, "reliable, third party source" now, is it? Badmintonhist (talk) 05:47, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Ownership?
You left a message on my page, accusing me of "ownership" in the Hannity article. There was a version, agreed to by everyone involved as being neutral and well-written. Then 2 editors come in and make changes without discussion. All I have done is revert back to the version that was agreed on by consensus and asked for discussion before making changes. That is not ownership. Niteshift36 (talk) 16:53, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Debate at John McCain presidential campaign, 2008
Could you take a look at this debate: Talk:John McCain presidential campaign, 2008? It looks like pretty obvious censoring to me. They're trying to suppress this addition. Apparently jihadis support a McCain presidency.  Azure Fury  (talk | contribs) 20:06, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks!  Azure Fury  (talk | contribs) 22:20, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Tim Russert

 * Thanks! But, guess what - I'm not that new! LOL, it's okay though, I was being Kind to the original poster, rather than deleting it and assuming the typical role. xoxo Melia Nymph (talk) 01:03, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Question
Blaxthos, why did you revert my edit to Talk:Hurricane Katrina? –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone  14:23, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Because Katrina affected New York. If you look at the article, nearly 4,500 in western NY lost power. –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone  20:25, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Not really. Especially considering that effects from tropical cyclones are fairly uncommon in New York. If an article falls under the scope of a Wikiproject, the Wikiproject tag is added to the talk page. –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone  20:41, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Wrong article referenced in warning of Fru23?
At least I think you did, since I can't see anything in the history of the main BoR page. I think you meant the Criticism article instead. Just a heads up so it can be fixed (I don't want to malfactor other's comments). &eta;oian  &Dagger;orever &eta;ew &Dagger;rontiers  00:11, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Back from block, Fru23 again deletion entire sections, both of which I think were [attempted] deleted before the block.
Just a heads up. &eta;oian  &Dagger;orever &eta;ew &Dagger;rontiers  01:23, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Nvm &eta;oian   &Dagger;orever &eta;ew &Dagger;rontiers  03:13, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Olby and Hillary
The whole criticism of Hillary section is "synthesis of thought", you say? How so? Obviously, Olbermann made the criticisms of Clinton which is really all the section contends, once the part about Obama also appearing on Fox (and not being criticized by Olbermann) is removed. I suppose one could contest the use of the word "berated" but that would hardly merit deleting everything. As Olbermann might say "Explain yourself, sir. Explain yourself or resign!" Badmintonhist (talk) 04:36, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Calm Down
Remain civil, I have attacked no one and please tell me how attempting to abide by BOLP is pov pushing. Please stop lying. Fru23 (talk) 23:22, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

O'Reilly and Fru23
Here we go again: Articles for deletion/Criticism of Bill O'Reilly (political commentator) (2nd nomination) Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 23:28, 11 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Hey Blax. How should I handle this considering the current AfD? Ramsquire (throw me a line) 00:53, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Unbelievable!!!!! This must be a set up. Ramsquire (throw me a line) 01:16, 12 December 2008 (UTC)


 * It's called playing the WP:POINT game, since his AFD is doomed again. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 01:17, 12 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Hey, check this out. Does this mean he no longer hates POV-pushers? Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 01:20, 12 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I would report this baffling conduct to ANI or file an RFC on user conduct, but I'll wait until the Afd is over before doing anything else. Sorry for taking up your talkpage with this Blaxthos. Ramsquire (throw me a line) 01:22, 12 December 2008 (UTC)


 * It's all in a night's work. Maybe someone could find the last ANI writeup about him and say, "Hey, he's back!" Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 01:26, 12 December 2008 (UTC)


 * And now another cynical WP:POINT attempt. This URL is getting mighty long: Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 01:29, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Assume good faith Fru23 (talk) 01:41, 12 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Not with obvious evidence to the contrary staring us in the face. You sir, have lost all good faith with your blatant lies and naked agenda. Ramsquire (throw me a line) 01:43, 12 December 2008 (UTC)


 * WP:CIVIL I don't really care, I have not done anything wrong. Please stop with the attacks or I will be forced to get an admin involved. Fru23 (talk) 01:46, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Be careful what you wish for. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 01:53, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Is that a THREAT? Fru23 (talk) 01:57, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
 * No, just good advice from someone who has seen many instances, especially recently, of complainants ending up getting blocked themselves due to being too contentious. You may not be totally there yet, but you're working on it. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 01:59, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

When he said on the Olbermann talk page, "Its a losing argument saying otherwise baseball bugs, Schuym1 ,Ramsquire nojian, and Blaxthos will back me up on that, right?" I was hoping he would be met with stony silence, as that's the recommended way of dealing with what is more and more obviously becoming nothing but trolling behavior. However, the other respondent's implied "stick it where the moon don't shine" was pretty good. :) Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 12:48, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Checkuser
Despite the "not related" result from that new guy, I'm convinced he's the same guy, so we'll just have to keep an eye on him. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 21:20, 2 January 2009 (UTC)