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Jonathan David Brown
Do not remove information about Brown's federal court case and conviction from the opening paragraph or lead section of the article. Per WP:LEAD, the lead section should summarize all important points of the article. Binksternet (talk) 13:06, 18 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Brown's federal court case was a very small segment of his life. The section on that case overshadows the very large record production history and other on-going facts about his life. Therefore, the inclusion of hot-words like "KKK" and "Hate Crime" in the opening paragraph are "false light." per http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_light It also violates the "biographies living persons" policy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons and the NPOV policy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view. The Board at Wikipedia REMOVED the defamatory and false references - only to have them replaced immediately, slightly reworded.


 * The court case took years, then the jail time took a little over two years. The record is there, and it doesn't go away. Hot words? If one plays with fire, one gets burned. The "slightly reworded" version puts the basis of the claim about KKK and hate crime on the court case, which is where it is from. The current version is 100% accurate. This is an encyclopedia article, where accuracy is everything. If you want more sentences about Brown's good works, write them. Just don't take away accurate material which is extraordinarily well referenced. Binksternet (talk) 07:41, 19 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Nobody is saying that there isn't a record. His court case should be reported ... but it did not take "years" of his life - except in the jail portion. In fact, his actions that got him in trouble could be condensed to a few days over a 1-year period. During that time - it is obvious that he was around white supremacists. But he himself was never alleged as advocating violence or hatred - or being "involved" in the underlying crime of conspiracy. The government could have easily charged him with such had he REALLY been a KKK member. Moreover, Binksternet, there is NO evidence that he "IS PRESENTLY" a member of the Ku Klux Klan. From all public sources, it appears he left that whole thing behind after going to prison. There should be no agenda when reporting for an encyclopedia on LIVING PERSONS or dead persons but especially living. We cannot smear people - even with mere undue weight - rather than report NPOV. Blendednoise (talk) 18:22, 19 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Your guess about what the government may have done is only an interesting bit of speculation. If Brown being a member of the KKK was enough to charge him, then the entire KKK could be easily arrested and locked up. This isn't the case.
 * Your contention that Brown's time in trouble can be condensed to some brief number of days doesn't lower its importance in his life, or in the larger scheme of things. If the feds thought it was as trivial as you suggest, they would not have spent so much money and time prosecuting him on three counts.
 * Your suggestion that there isn't a post-prison public record of comment about his white supremacist views or memberships means we don't comment on it either way, so you're good there.
 * Perhaps surprisingly to you, my agenda is not to smear anybody. I only wish to make sure that the article doesn't hide or soft-pedal what was certainly a significant event for Brown. Binksternet (talk) 01:28, 20 January 2010 (UTC)


 * So why are you interested in Jonathan David Brown enough to be so vigilant about only the white supremacist / criminal case in his article? He did the wrong thing to get him charged. But looking at his time-line credits at http://www.christianmusicarchive.com/artist.php?id=155 and his own website, http://www.jonathandavidbrown.com/page2.html (which has Twila Paris, Bob Bennett AND Glen Campbell recordings in 1990-91 - when he did the stuff they charged him with), it's pretty questionable that he would have been sold out to the Klan. I just don't get your balance. No biggie ... thanks for talkin'.