User talk:Blink44182

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Straight Edge
Hi Blink44182. Before editing a section on wikipedia that is fully referenced, please check the references to make sure any new information you provide is not contradicted. Your recent edits to the opening paragraph of Straight Edge directly contradict the information provided in the references, and have accordingly been reverted, as the information you provided was not backed up, it therefore attributes a statement to the references that is incorrect. As per wikipedia guidelines:


 * "The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth—what counts is whether readers can verify that material added to Wikipedia has already been published by a reliable source, not whether editors think it is true."

Please find references from reliable sources to back up any statements you make, otherwise your edits may be reverted. Have a nice day. Freikorp (talk) 06:33, 26 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi again Blink44182. I'm not sure what part of my previous message you did not understand, but accordingly your most recent edit to the opening paragraph of Straight Edge constituted as vandalism. The simple fact is your belief that promiscuous sex is a core principle of straight edge is just your opinion, it is not backed up by any reliable sources. Have a read of this interview with Minor Threat, in the interview Ian and Lyle express regret that certain people took their lyrics "don't drink, don't smoke, don't fuck" literally as a set of rules. The concept of rules goes completely against the whole idea of hardcore. According to Minor Threat, Straight Edge was about moderation - "Not letting any one thing - be it booze, "pussy", "dick", coke, skateboarding, music, or STRAIGHT EDGE, rule your life".


 * If you continue to make unreferenced opinionated additions to articles where a consensus has already been reached, you may be blocked from editing. Please read the talk page of the article. Freikorp (talk) 04:10, 27 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Ok, the two references you provided don't seem to back up your statement. One seems to just say Ian Mackaye is a vegetarian, which is completely irrelevant to the opening paragraph. Your second reference links to a book; whilst the information may well and truly be inside this book, you have to link to or state the specific page, which you have not done. You have also completely removed the previous reference, which is a serious case of vandalism. You cannot remove a reference just because a new reference you've found contradicts it, the appropriate thing to do would be to list what one reference says, then what the other reference says. Freikorp (talk) 10:13, 29 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Also just letting you know you cannot use another wikipedia article as a reference. Freikorp (talk) 00:47, 30 March 2010 (UTC)


 * When a recent edit is contended, as is the case on the Straight Edge page, rather than getting into an edit war, the appropriate thing to do is to discuss the issue on the talk page, and reach a consensus. Please read the long discussion on the talk page if you have not already done so. Freikorp (talk) 12:11, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Descendents
Funtrivia.com is a completely unreliable sourced. Wikipedia's verifiability and biographies of living persons policies require that information be referenced to "reliable, third-party, published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy." Funtrivia.com fails all of these criteria. The Descendents never aligned themselves with straight edge and never espoused any alignment with it. I've read dozens of sources and interviews with the band (I recently rewrote and referenced nearly every article on their albums), and not a single one mentioned straight edge. Just because a band or a person is anti-drug does not make them straight edge (and incidentally, the only song on Milo Goes to College that has any kind of anti-drug message is "Bikeage", and it's about a girl who Bill doesn't want anything to do with because she's a heroin-addicted prostitute). --IllaZilla (talk) 00:19, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

The other source you're citing, the band's FAQ, flat-out says that they weren't straight edge:

Q: Are the DESCENDENTS straight edge? A: (Karl)- Descendents were around before the song "Straight Edge" so it's really a moot point. The answer to the question is no, though Bill's never done any drugs at all.

The only statement you can accurately cite from this statement is "Bill Stevenson has never done drugs." Please see WP:NOR and WP:BLP. --IllaZilla (talk) 00:25, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Your edits are full of original research, which includes claims not explicitly supported by the sources. It's clear that the intention of your edits is to draw a connection between the Descendents and straight edge, but in reality there is no connection: the only reliable source you have cited explicitly says that the band had nothing to do with the straight edge movement. The paragraph you are adding contains a number of claims not supported by this or any source: In sum, the text you are adding violates 3 of our core policies: Verifiability, Original research, and Biographies of living persons. If you continue to re-add this material without citing sources that explicitly verifiy your claims, I will have little option but to report it to ANI and probably request that you be blocked from editing. I would rather not do that, so instead of re-inserting the same claims please take the subject to the article's talk page for discussion. --IllaZilla (talk) 00:43, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
 * That the Descendents and 7 Seconds shared the same values about drugs, sex, and alcohol — Nothing in the sources makes any connection between the Descendents and 7 Seconds, nor does any source mention anything about the Descendents' attitude towards drugs, sex, or alcohol.
 * That the original Descendents lineup "personally held those values to themselves, and embraced the values personally, rejected drugs, alcohol, and casual sex and even depicted down upon it and made fun of it." — This is totally unsupported by any source. None of the sources mention that the Descendents "personally held the values of straight edge", and none of their songs "depicted down" or made fun of drugs, alcohol, or casual sex. The source cited only mentions that Bill never did drugs; it says nothing about the other members or anything about alcohol or sex.
 * That Bill and Milo were directly influenced by Ian MacKaye's values. — Again, none of the sources draw any connection between the Descendents and Ian MacKaye, and MacKaye's values have nothing to do with the themes of the early Descendents as the Descendents were around well before Minor Threat and the two bands had almost nothing to do with each other.
 * That the Descendents were part of the straight edge community — Again, a claim totally unsupported by any reliable sources, and the only source cited explicitly says they weren't straight edge.

Okay, I realize what I've stated and how that seems. I'm sorry for not citing any reliable references but as it seems to me Descendents are positive and are pretty straight as far as drugs, alcohol and sex goes just over past reading of interviews and such. I will not continue to add any information unless it is completely sourced. Sorry for the disrupt. --Blink44182 (talk) 00:52, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Your recent edits
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March 2010
Welcome to Wikipedia. We welcome and appreciate your contributions, including your edits to Descendents, but we cannot accept original research. Original research also encompasses novel, unpublished syntheses of previously published material. Please be prepared to cite a reliable source for all of your information. I'm sorry to use a templated warning on you, but you're just not getting the substance of "no original research". You can't just keep re-inserting your text and assume that adding links underneath it is proper sourcing. You either need to find sources that explicitly back up your info, or you need to reword your info so that it accurately reflects the sources. The statment in question is: "This album encompassed a different approach in writing, unlike most of their peers in the Los Angeles hardcore scene who were writing about common subjects in Hardcore at the time such as authority, politics, etc. Descendents branched off into a different writing genre." None of your sources explicitly support these claims. --IllaZilla (talk) 07:07, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia, and thank you for your contributions, including your edits to Milo Aukerman. However, please be aware of Wikipedia's policy that biographical information about living persons must not be libelous. Any controversial statements about a living person added to an article, or any other Wikipedia page, must include proper sources. Again, the problem here is that none of your sources actually support your information. None of them mention anything about Aukerman "taking a different approach to the material he would write, unlike most of his Los Angeles peers in the Hardcore world who embraced the 'Live Fast, Die Young' approach." Slapping more links on does not mean that the sources explicitly support this claim. Either find sources that explicitly support the words you're adding, or reword the info to more accurately reflect the source material. --IllaZilla (talk) 07:07, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Your addition has been removed, as it appears to have added copyrighted material to Wikipedia without permission from the copyright holder. For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or printed material; such additions will be deleted. You may use external websites as a source of information, but not as a source of article content such as sentences or images. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously and persistent violators will be blocked from editing. IllaZilla (talk) 00:40, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

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April 2010
Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute to Wikipedia, at least one of your recent edits, such as the one you made to Black Flag (band), did not appear to be constructive and has been reverted or removed. Please use the sandbox for any test edits you would like to make, and read the welcome page to learn more about contributing constructively to this encyclopedia. Thank you. --IllaZilla (talk) 03:33, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

Internal links
Hi. Please check the pages you are linking to before you save your changes on wikipedia. You recently internally linked to the page Carry On on the article for Straight edge. If you click on the link to Carry On you will see it goes to a disambiguation page rather than an actual article. Please check internal links before you save them in the future to make sure this does not happen. Also please do not replace valid internal links with non-existant one as you also did at Straight edge - the page xDEATHSTARx exists; the page xTyrantx does not. Have a nice day. Freikorp (talk) 22:41, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Straight edge
If you are going to copy content from one page to another please provide attribution per the license. cheers --Guerillero &#124; My Talk   00:10, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

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