User talk:Blofeld of SPECTRE/ArchiveSeptember 2008

Museum With No Frontiers
Ha, I'm ruining your clean talk page! I know you work with museum articles, have you heard of the above group? The article on them is about to be deleted as spam, I think it is savable. The same account also created Eva Schubert, the founder of MWNF, which I'm trying to fix up. EJF (talk) 14:37, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm feeling a bit jaded. Can't get any energy to expand any articles. Probably a mixture of the rubbish weather at home and the poor editing climate here. It'll pass I'm sure. Chin up, soon the deletionists will move on from images to pop songs and whatever. EJF (talk) 14:54, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Wow, that's fantastic! I'm a bit ignorant, I didn't realise that there was so much agriculture in Sudan. Google News has some more up-to-date statistics to bring it up to date on percentage of economy etc. EJF (talk) 15:24, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Too much US Government money going on the War For Oil, eh? They're only spending money researching countries they have interests in. The deforestation series of articles looks interesting. More stuff to add to the to-do list... EJF (talk) 16:45, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

"not a speedy criteria"?
Since when isn't a speedy criteria? Did you mean to say that the article Museum With No Frontiers isn't advertising meant to "promote some entity and would require a fundamental rewrite in order to become encyclopedic". If, that is what you meant and I used the wrong criteria so be it but, please be more specific in your edit summaries when denying speedy deletion in future. Thanks. Jasynnash2 (talk) 15:38, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

:-P
Blofeld, just like always, I need to ask you something!! LOL. Sorry for disturbing you always. Shahid indicated to me that the word "high-profile" is POV, and I was wondering if we could use it in the following sentence: "...The high-profile Mujhse Dosti Karoge! (2002), Kunal Kohli's directorial debut, was poorly received in India despite generating revenue overseas...Her other high-profile film during this period was 2003's Main Prem Ki Diwani Hoon. The film, directed by Sooraj R. Barjatya under the Rajshri Productions banner, also fared poorly at the box office in India despite becoming a success internationally..." --  Bollywood Dreamz  talk 18:19, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
 * THANKS!! :))) BTW, do you also think the word "femme fatale" is inappropriate?? --  Bollywood Dreamz  talk 18:35, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Just to be on the safe side, I changed it to "woman". :)) --  Bollywood Dreamz  talk 18:44, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
 * If I change high-profile to notable, this is how it will sound like. "Her first notable release, Kunal Kohli's directorial debut Mujhse Dosti Karoge! was poorly received in India despite generating revenue overseas...Her other notable film during this period was 2003's Main Prem Ki Diwani Hoon. The film, directed by Sooraj R. Barjatya under the Rajshri Productions banner, also fared poorly at the box office in India despite becoming a success internationally." What do you think?? --  Bollywood Dreamz  talk 18:57, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Like you indicated, Mujhse Dosti Karoge! and Main Prem Ki Diwani Hoon were notable because they were high-budget films that didn't do well at the box office and furthermore, they were produced by two of the most reputable banners in India (Yash Raj Films and Rajshri Productions respectively). So basically, you are telling me to leave it as "high-profile"?? --  Bollywood Dreamz  talk 19:07, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Not bad bud!! You can do anything!! :))) LOL --  Bollywood Dreamz  talk 19:15, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Blofeld, since the beginning of the fourth paragraph in the "Breakthrough, 2001–2003" section indicates what films she starred in what year ("Mujhse Dosti Karoge! and Jeena Sirf Merre Liye in 2002, and Talaash: The Hunt Begins..., Khushi, Main Prem Ki Diwani Hoon and the four hour J.P. Dutta war epic LOC Kargil in 2003"), do you think it is important to indicate the year later on. (For e,g, "Mujhse Dosti Karoge! (2002), directed by Kunal Kohli on his debut...Her other high-budget film during this period was 2003's Main Prem Ki Diwani Hoon.") I don't think it is necessary... What do you think?? --  Bollywood Dreamz  talk 19:29, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks bud!! I really appreciate your help!! Best Regards --  Bollywood Dreamz  talk 19:50, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Clarification...
Sorry if I bother you too much, but I just want to clarify and explain why I'm so concerned and unsure.

This is the BBC quote which appears on the article:


 * According to BBC, "Preity Zinta ... gives her best. Watching her in the scene where she confronts Rani [Mukerji] during the wedding reception makes you realise how excellent she is as an actress."

This is the Indian Express quote I thought to add:


 * "The lady has not just looked glamorous but she has walked with poise, sat with grace, smiled with composure and spoke with calmness. Who would have thought that the bubbly girl could so skillfully shed her age-old tag and walk away as the don’t-mess-with-me lass. So all those who are in search of the peppy Preity, well guys you’ve dialed the wrong number this time."


 * Do you think it will have to replace the current BBC quote, or just be an additional quote? (I mean should the existing BBC quote remain?
 * Secondly, do you think the second quote contributes something encyclopedically too in addition to general response to the performance? Please read the quote - is it appropriate and constructive?
 * Thirdly, the quote speaks about Zinta's attempt to shed her bubbly image with this role, which is not yet discussed in that part of the article, and is unknown to the reader. So I think one sentence describing the role as an attempt to shed that tag should be added, no? This aricle talks about that. I thought of something like, "Zinta described her role in the film as an attempt to shed her bubbly image, which had been repeatedly stuck to her by critics, and according to Express India, she succeeded:..."

Regards, Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  10:12, 30 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the reply. "A brief preliminary sentence explaining it backed up by the quote would be good" - so what do you think about that: "Zinta described her role in the film as an attempt to shed her bubbly image, which had been repeatedly stuck to her by critics, and according to Express India, she succeeded:..." ? Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  12:08, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

I'd suggest: "Zinta described her role in the film as an attempt to shed her vivacious public image. The Express India concurred that this was successful, stating, "The lady has not just looked glamorous but she has walked with poise, sat with grace, smiled with composure and spoke with calmness. Who would have thought that the bubbly girl could so skillfully shed her age-old tag and walk away as the don’t-mess-with-me lass. So all those who are in search of the peppy Preity, well guys you’ve dialed the wrong number this time."

The Bald One       White cat 12:13, 30 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, awesome! I'll add that. But as I said, at that part of the article, the vivacious image is not discussed yet, so what do you think about integrating the clause, "which had been repeatedly stuck to her by critics"? Do you have a better way to write this phrase? Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  12:20, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Well if you are discussing her intentions towards this film you need to mention to vivacious thing briefly as a background even if it discussed in detial later.

I would suggest something like:

"Zinta described her role in the film as an attempt to shed her vivacious image, that had been accentuated obstinately by her critics and the public throughout much of her career. The Express India concurred that this was successful, stating, "The lady has not just looked glamorous but she has walked with poise, sat with grace, smiled with composure and spoke with calmness. Who would have thought that the bubbly girl could so skillfully shed her age-old tag and walk away as the don’t-mess-with-me lass. So all those who are in search of the peppy Preity, well guys you’ve dialed the wrong number this time."

The Bald One       White cat 12:27, 30 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Amazing isn't it? The BBC quote was short, cocky and added nothing special.. Thank you Blof. You know Blof, if I think again, I'm not sure whether she was stuck with this image by critics specifically... I think it was more of a public image like you say... so I thought of: "...vivacious image, which had been stuck/touted with her throughout much of her career" Opinions? Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  13:08, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Tweaked. There ya go. I would probably go with the first one. "Public" was intended to represent both critics and the people anyway The Bald One        White cat 13:11, 30 August 2008 (UTC)


 * So what do you say? Is it better to remove the clause and leave the "vivacious public image" say it all? Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  13:23, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

I say "Zinta described her role in the film as an attempt to shed her vivacious image, that had been accentuated obstinately by her critics and the public throughout much of her career. The Express India concurred that this was successful, stating, "The lady has not just looked glamorous but she has walked with poise, sat with grace, smiled with composure and spoke with calmness. Who would have thought that the bubbly girl could so skillfully shed her age-old tag and walk away as the don’t-mess-with-me lass. So all those who are in search of the peppy Preity, well guys you’ve dialed the wrong number this time."

I like that The Bald One        White cat 13:29, 30 August 2008 (UTC)


 * WOW what a great job!! Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  17:16, 30 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm a pain in the behind, I know... But please tell me Blof, "had been accentuated obstinately by her critics and the public throughout much of her career" - I know some readers (and editors!!) don't like long and complicated sentences. Tell me, if "Public" was intended to represent both critics and the people, so can we drop the critics? I know it's a stupid question, but you are the mind behind this sentence, so I must ask before I remove... Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  17:53, 30 August 2008 (UTC)


 * It concerns me because "had been accentuated obstinately by her critics and the public throughout much of her career" is beautifully written, but "by her critics" seems to contradict the fact that she was recognised for her versatility.... Do you get my concern? Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  18:09, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Well spotted, but LOL you were to one who said to mention the critics not me LOL! The Bald One       White cat 18:10, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

You are right. Indian critics are confused, they praise her for verstility and still call her bubbly. They can say, "Bubbly Preity has given a fantastic performance". But the image is mainly not hers as an actress, but as a person... So here are my suggestions: Which one is according to you the best Mister? Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  18:28, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
 * The first one, just to drop the critics: "...vivacious image, which had been accentuated obstinately by the public throughout much of her career"
 * The second one, to change the clause and not mention by whom she was called bubbly: "...vivacious image, which had been (stuck with her/attached to her) throughout much of her career.
 * The third one, to remove the clause and describe it like this: "...vivacious public and screen persona (or just public). The Express..."
 * Very good work on Banana production in Honduras - I think you are one of the only editors who can make a GA maybe in two days (or even less)... Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  19:00, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, so "public and screen persona", or just "public persona"? Screen somehow concerns me for the same reason, or maybe I'm concerned for no reason? Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  19:02, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
 * OK fine - public image. What do you think about leaving a short clause to explain what image we are talking about: "She described the role as an attempt to shed her vivacious public image, which had been stuck with her throughout much of her career."... Is it OK? Can it be closed here? Please bear with me, I know I'm annoying. Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  19:16, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

As I said it was fine and you should avoid the "stuck" label. LOL why do I feel like we are going rounds in circles!! LOL  The Bald One        White cat 19:18, 30 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I know LOLL HAHA!!! Believe me you will miss these long circle discussions when I leave WP... So let's assume this subject is alien to you, and you see this sentence: "She described the role as an attempt to shed her vivacious public image" - would it make sense to you and give you additional info? Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  19:21, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Si. LOL word perfection. Yes that is fine. I mean FINE!!!!! It implies that she developed that image over her career so there is no problem with it. The Bald One       White cat 19:29, 30 August 2008 (UTC)


 * LOL HAHAHAHAHA!!! Gracias! Thank you... I mean, THANK YOU. I see the KANK point as addressed - now you see another improvement. The cocky BBC quote was replaced with another which adds something encyclopedically, as you once said. But nonetheless, I'll think about the screen thing, and maybe I'll add it despite what we have said. Because, there is verstility, I mean, kind of roles, and there's persona which is always the same. Bette Davis was always known for her intense style, her always-present cigarette, her strong-woman persona, although her roles were diverse; Angelina Jolie is mostly known for her sexappeal and modern looks... I mean, there are roles, and there's acting style. Zinta played different roles, whether it's the unwed mother, the insecure and angry Naina, the prostitute, the journalist, the CBI trainee, the adopted daughter. But you know... Do you get the point? And do you agree with what I say? Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  19:40, 30 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I think the template is awesome - you don't stop reinventing yourself and your range of interests, I think if you participated in Who Wants to be a millionaire, you would take the million/s LOL... You have nothing to say about my above "analysis" LOL? Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  20:00, 30 August 2008 (UTC)


 * You know, one sentence in the source about the image makes me feel there is a lack in Zinta's article. Here's the sentence:
 * "Zinta has a reputation for choosing roles that go against India's traditional mores, even if she has smiled her way through them."
 * Meaning, not specifically her versatility but the kind of roles she played credited her with bringing a new face for a Hindi film Heroine: roles that go against traditional mores.
 * I think it should be mentioned, don't you? Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  20:11, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not at all intending to overcredit her. I'm completely against that - she's a great and successful actress. Well she's certainly not my favourite Bollywood actress ever. Out of the current generation of actresses, I mean, the Ranis and Aishwaryas, she is.
 * What I try to say is that the article gives the impression that she was credited for bringing because of being verstile, as if she was the first versatile actress. But that's not that. See this sentence, which we had worked on together:
 * Following her portrayal of a range of characters in Kya Kehna, Sangharsh and Chori Chori Chupke Chupke, Zinta was often recognised for her versatility as an actress.[12] Critics attributed her roles in these films as to establishing a new image for leading actresses in Bollywood
 * Instead of saying "of a range of characters" which is unclear anyway, isn't it better to change it to "characters that go against India's traditional mores" - which they actually are. Because of being roles that go against mores - she was credited with changing.
 * Unfortunately, after the first FAC, all of that was removed by... you know who... so you know. She was credited with changing because she played unconventional roles, non-typical roles.
 * What do you think and what do you have to say? Do you get my point here? Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  21:01, 30 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I would love to add that, but the fact that from the beginning upon seeing this quote from the site, you felt some POV coming from my side, makes me skeptical whether it won't be a POV act to add that. I really don't want this article to become like a fansite, I was factual information, informative text, correct and precise text, I want it to flow and be written brilliantly, just like an FA requires. I've put a lot of work into this. Be honest, do you think the addition of these words will make it sound like POV (despite being sourced)? Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  21:16, 30 August 2008 (UTC)


 * We'll talk about it later, I'm tired of thinking about Zinta's article right now.
 * Things I've done this month are so few :(((
 * I've also created a template now:


 * I've laso created Mahesh Bhatt
 * And took some time to expand Veer-Zaara a few days ago.
 * Opinions?
 * Also have you seen/read The Kite Runner? I've heard the film version is outstanding! Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  21:28, 30 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Hey how are you?? I unfortunately had no time to edit today, although I'd planned to go a bit further with addressing some of my other points with Zinta.... But it will have to wait... I'm busy... Btw, have you seen Heaven On earth trailer... I was shocked to see her in such a role, as a battered wife suffering from her loneliness in Canada, far from her family... Here's the entry of the film at the Toronto Film Festival site, where it will be premiered on Sep 6th...
 * What do you think? Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  20:23, 31 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Hey Blof. You don't have to answer now, because I'm now going, but I hope you can answer tomorrow. As I explained to you already, Zinta was not credited with changing the image because of her versatility, but because of the kind of roles she playes, roles that go against traditional mores, unconventional roles. That's why this sentence
 * "She subsequently played a variety of character types, and in doing so has been credited with changing the image of a Hindi film heroine."
 * seems misleading.
 * The first part of the sentence and the last part are fine, so I thought to change the "in doing so" part to something clearer, like "some of which credited her..." or "as a result of which".
 * It can also be a more complicated copyedit, like, "...a variety of character types, some of which went against traditional mores. In doing so, she has been credited with changing the image of a Hindi film heroine." - although this one may be too long for a lead...
 * What do you think? Best regards, Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  20:54, 2 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Do you have an answer? ;) Also, I'm now again going, so please keep an eye on the Shilpa Shetty article. One anon keeps adding fangush because of the new reality show she hosts. He adds a non-notable "controversy", unsourced claims, badly formatted additions, and he also attacks me, calling me stupid. Sorry if I'm exhauting you. Regards, Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  12:19, 3 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Well I told you already. Pre Fa the article was going through many copyedits, I myself was confused. Only now can I recognise and notice minor issues. And I told you that in my view an Fa is not necessarily a sign of perfection - an article gets better. If you don't wanna help so it's fine thank you and bye. Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  17:10, 3 September 2008 (UTC)


 * The fact that an article is an Fa does not suffice, I have to feel that it is good. I'm preparing myself because now it will go through extensive additions with her film releases, so I want to clear some POV. I want it to be completely perfect in my view before I leave. There is never such thing as "complete"; Wikipedia is an ongoing project. I had a few points I wanted to address after the FAC - the DCH part (done), the KANK part (done), the Jaan-E-Mann part (done), and now this one. I may find other points, it's quite possible. Obviously I want to expand other articles - I thought of going on with Manisha Koirala, and I will.
 * The only think I asked is if any of my versions of the text is OK and can be used to replacethe current version to avoid the misleading. Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  17:30, 3 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't wanna make changes before I know I'm making the final copyedit, that's why I like discussing first. I want to add something I'm completely sure of, after all, we're talking about an FA. That's why I thought of different versions. The first part of the sentence and the last part are fine, so I thought to change the "in doing so" part to something clearer, like "some of which credited her..." or "as a result of which".
 * It can also be a more complicated copyedit, like, "...a variety of character types, some of which went against traditional mores. In doing so, she has been credited with changing the image of a Hindi film heroine." - although this one may be too long for a lead. Which version is the best according to you and does it have to be reworded? Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  17:40, 3 September 2008 (UTC)


 * If you want we can talk about it tomorrow, I have to go now.... Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  17:47, 3 September 2008 (UTC)


 * We'll discuss it tomorrow. As of now, how are you and what are you doing? Do you have any plans in life? What degree did you graduate with you said? Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  19:41, 3 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I need someone to talk to... and we haven't talked for quite some time now... IMO you can be an amazing journalist, because you're a sharp and intelligent person. I already can imagine you writing long, well-written and funny articles. If only Wikipedia gave some recognition to its editors other than that status of unknown and anon contributors, it would be a great break for people like you. Which country did you think to go for? Maybe Brazil? LOL Brazilian women are just gorgeous are they not? Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  19:57, 3 September 2008 (UTC)


 * The language is another problem I guess, but you speak Spanish so you can go for Argentine, maybe you'll have an argentine success LOL.... But I think there are enough opportunities in the UK, there's no need to leave your country... Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  20:08, 3 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Well Blof as you already know I have to go now, so I'll talk to you tomorrow. I ask you, please, to write me a reply to the above message tomorrow when you have time, or maybe you prefer me to come and let you know I'm here and we'll discuss it. I just want to address this point ASAP, as it concerns me a lot. Regards, and good night there in the UK...  Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  20:23, 3 September 2008 (UTC)


 * What have you done? I didn't get your message... Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  20:32, 3 September 2008 (UTC)


 * "I've passed Rich Farmborough and the 180K mark.." - what do you mean LOL? Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  20:36, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

WOW!!!
Congrats! I know it's not appropriate to say that, but it means a lot. Editors do not spend 180,000 edits on vandalism so it's obviously on good things, and in your case it means that you're not only the most productive editor on the WP, but [maybe almost] the most active... I am proud of you. Shahid •  Talk 2 me  20:58, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

FPaS RFC
As a participant in the recent discussion at WP:ANI, I thought you should be informed of the new RFC that another user has started regarding FPaS's behavior.  Jerry  talk ¤ count/logs 16:03, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Requests for comment/Future Perfect at Sunrise

Oxford Wikimania 2010 and Wikimedia UK v2.0
Hi there Blofeld of SPECTRE,

As a regularly contributing UK Wikipedian, we were wondering if you wanted to contribute to the Oxford bid to host the 2010 Wikimania conference. Please see here for details of how to get involved, we need all the help we can get if we are to put in a compelling bid.

We are also in the process of forming a new UK Wikimedia chapter to replace the soon to be folded old one. If you are interested in helping shape our plans, showing your support or becoming a future member or board member, please head over to the Wikimedia UK v2.0 page and let us know. We plan on holding an election in the next month to find the initial board, who will oversee the process of founding the company and accepting membership applications. They will then call an AGM to formally elect a new board who after obtaining charitable status will start the fund raising, promotion and active support for the UK Wikimedian community for which the chapter is being founded.

You may also wish to attend the next London meet-up if you are located near London at which both of these issues will be discussed. If you can't attend this meetup, you may want to watch Meetup, for updates on future meets.

We look forward to hearing from you soon!

Thanks for reading.

 ·Add§hore·  T alk /C ont 08:17, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Azerbaijan resources
The Azerbaijan Development Gateway has a nice page for each rayon. Here is its listing for Barda. Note that it names nearly all of the villages, plus some history and economic info. Together with http://www.belediyye.org it provides a nice crosscheck against GEOnet Names Server. For example, I discovered that Körpükənd was placed in the wrong rayon. Any thoughts? Phlegm Rooster (talk) 08:48, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Perhaps you could broach the subject with Carlos? I'm sure he is still steamed at me. I've come up with a stopgap solution for the villages I can't confirm, see Göcəkli for an example. Phlegm Rooster (talk) 09:04, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Re: Templates
Hey, sorry for the delay in responding - been on vacation for a few weeks without internet access. I suspect your templates will most definitely be used and expanded over time, but there is a lot of information and oh so few of us active editors in the WikiProject. I update the Matn District's template when I have time, and will continue to do so, but for each city or village I add, I'm first going through and trying to see if an article exists with a different spelling, etc., so it's taking a while. ← George [ talk  ] 12:04, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Dhanusa District stubs
Doesn't this formatting provide more ground for expansion? Ottre (talk) 20:23, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Films roll call and coordinator elections
Girolamo Savonarola (talk) 03:59, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Answer
It is official that the 5M pool is closed. You may vote on the 10M or 20M pool. Georgia guy (talk) 16:36, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Nepal stuff
Labor Day weekend at North Cape May. I will add that extra information to my new articles (I thought towns/villages were automatically municipalities, right?) This template I designed may help finish Nepal faster. Just copypaste and fill in the parameters:

Like this, for Sundarijal:

--I'm an Editorofthewiki[citation needed] 18:12, 1 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Lookin' good. I am tending to the FACs and trying to make Nki National Park a DYK and (hopefully) a GA. I can't believe how much was found on Sapo National Park! Any way you can help would be appreciated. 1964 Gabon has certainly been the longest FAC I've ever seen at three weeks now! It became so messy that Sandy had to restart it. Oh and FHB and Jean-Hilaire Aubame (which I was the primary author) became GAs recently. --I'm an Editorofthewiki[citation needed] 18:51, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

I'm afraid you have an error with your Nepal articles you are creating, when I click the link the reference, there it says NEPAL CENSUS 2001, but on the articles it says according to the 1991 Nepal Census. It should be 2001 not 1991.Mertozoro (talk) 20:05, 1 September 2008 (UTC) Oh I see. My bad. Mertozoro (talk) 20:13, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

No it shouldn't be. The rest of the data is from the 2001 census. If you click on population it CLEARLY indicates the data is carried through from 1991. Don't know why they didn't conduct the population in 2001. It says "Nepal Census Data 2001: Population 1991". Perhaps they got lazy. I agree I'd rather see 2001 figures too seems as the other data is  The Bald One        White cat 20:14, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Stubs
Well, I agree -- obviously. Didn't I already say these were speediable? Or are you now saying you're in two minds about zones vs. districts? I'm guessing that growth may be pretty slow after the current "sweep" is complete, so unless any of the zones are getting into 3 or 4 listing page territory, districts can be long-fingered for now. Alai (talk) 21:49, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
 * One gathers you didn't like the Zone maps, then. Alai (talk) 01:31, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, they're less than clear or distinct at 40x30. Flag'll do, I guess.  Alai (talk) 14:04, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * That's indeed a bit better, though not exactly great. It could probably be improved by recropping to be less "square", erasing the external subdiv borders, and in-filling the zone being highlighted...  But I just tried to do this in the GIMP, and it crashed on me, which has deterred me for the time being.  Another thought is to try to combine and flag and the map into a single image, but I don't know that would be easy to make look good.  Alai (talk) 15:50, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Films August 2008 Newsletter
The August 2008 issue of the Films WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. Thank you. This has been an automated delivery by BrownBot (talk) 22:36, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Barda Rayon, Azerbaijan
So I found two Azerbaijani websites that say Barda Rayon has one city and 109 villages, Ministry of Economic Development and Toward Civil Society Center. 'Toward Civil Society Center' gives the names and populations for all villages in Azerbaijan! Hooray! I then improved the Barda Rayon article, and checked all 117 Barda Rayon village stubs on Wikipedia. The upshot is not a ringing endorsement of GEOnet Names Server. Four villages were listed in the wrong rayon; Bayandur, Azerbaijan (Tartar Rayon), Kəhrəmanlı (Yevlakh Rayon), Körpükənd (Zardab Rayon), and Yerevanly (Tartar Rayon). There were 25 stubs on villages that do not appear on 'Toward Civil Society Center' or belediyye.org; Akhmedalar, Aryadzha, Babalylar, Bala-Kurtlar, Bargyushad, Bëyuk-Sovla, Bozakhlar, Cırdaxan, Barda, Gelanly, Harahacı, Irivanly, Ismikhanly, Karadzhalar, Barda, Kazykurdaly, Kəpənəkçi, Barda, Kylyshly, Mincivan, Barda, Naibly, Barda, Osmanlar, Oto Kelanly, Pernaklar, Pirilyar, Quşçular, Seviyan, Azerbaijan, and Yuzbashilar. In addition, there were about 16 misspellings. There were about 85 stubs that matched up; I added the population number to those. I also looked over this modern telecom map of Barda to be absolutely sure. GEOnet Names Server's error rate is very high; 29 out of 117 is 24.78% incorrect. If this error rate holds for the other 59 rayons, it means there are over 1000 stubs on villages in Azerbaijan that no longer exist or are placed in the wrong rayon. Phlegm Rooster (talk) 00:50, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I guess because I respect your opinion. Aside from Carlos, where can I bring up this problem without being seen as a deletionist? Or should I talk to Carlos even though he said to leave him alone? Phlegm Rooster (talk) 21:14, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Jammu and Kashmir
See WikiProject Jammu and Kashmir, a workgroup of WP:INDIA --  Tinu  Cherian  - 05:11, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

- 09:47, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Task force splitting
I thought you might be interested in this discussion, since you had commented before on the possible scope of a Nordic task force. Many thanks, Girolamo Savonarola (talk) 05:37, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Thai Museums
Will try to work on them today/this week as time allows. Will make them a priority TravellingCari  11:58, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

I think the best help will be to try and find a Thai-reading editor who can help find/translate the information that is online, just not in English. Also I've found a book search is good because many are covered in travel guides to the region which help with basic info. Me, I think they're all notable unless they don't exist but that's me. TravellingCari 12:06, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

One down! Chose the one with the most fun name. :) TravellingCari  16:47, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Agreed re: culturally fascinating. And museums should never be deleted, but that's the bias again :) I ran into a greek-reading editor at some AfD -- maybe can round them up again for this round. I tried to work on some of those but English language sources were hard. Thailand is so easy because it's tourist haven. Found some fun sourcing and want to get it longer -- would be a fun DYK hook I think. Like your template -- NYC one would be scary ;) TravellingCari  16:59, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Someone tried it's a colossal mess. Agreed re: the lack of info in SE asia, Japan as well. TravellingCari 17:13, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Comments
Hey thanks for the kind comments on my main page design. I hope that you meant them because you removed them shortly after. If there was something that made you change your mind let me know, I'd like to hear about it. Happy editing! Scottydude review 18:49, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Azerbaijan
Yes, GEOnames is uneven; it is dated in a sense - it is maintained, however. Dated sources and uneven sources are still reliable by WP standards; which doesn't require them to be infallible. The 1911 Britannica is a good example: it's dated. I'd guess there's nothing there about Bangladesh, Vladimir Putin, or extra-solar planets. Doesn't mean that they don't exist. But WP uses the 1911 Britannica extensively as a reliable source. Uneven sources are also fine: most sources are uneven. Most of the contents of the New York Times, the Brittanica, or whatever, is heavily weighted toward what its audience is wanting: no doubt, one can find articles or mentions in the Brittanica of most small US or English settlements, but large ones in Africa, South America, and Asia are lacking. Ditto biographies. Similary, the Great Soviet Encyclopedia will have greater coverage of the USSR than of similarly sized rivers, towns, or mountains in Uganda, Paraguay, or Indonesia. Per WP:BIAS, we should not perpetuate these biases, but should expand our coverages over the globe. And how will people expand the stubs? Easily, the most common way small English and US places get expanded: by residents or neighbors of the place. Yes, Azeris (like Nepalese) are less likely to be on the internet as Americans, but that's no reason to ignore them. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 21:59, 2 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Interesting thought, but things that stay stubs for a long time is better than nothing. A stub is an adequate start to an article; and many stubs will and do remain stubs a long time. I don't know whether WP has tools to show what articles have been stubs the longest. There will also be stubs because there is little that we currently can know about them - most ancient personages - which meet the notability requirements, generals, admirals, kings of such and such, there doesn't seem to be a required policy that all semi-perma-stubs be redirected somewhere else, particularly if the redirection lessens the usefulness of the encyclopedia. Like, if all the places in the 3rd world are directed to their (usually stub) administrative districts would we have maps for each of them - and then when someone decides that the administrative district has been a stub for too long, then redirects it to the country, then what? No, for me, best to have something better than a blank slate on which to start. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 22:56, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

WP:FILMS
Sounds great, good to see you back on the list. The project continues to get better and better with the new task forces, and I hope that we continue to get new interested members to join in to expand our article coverage. Welcome back (not that you ever really left) and happy editing! --Nehrams2020 (talk) 00:14, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Re: Thai museum stubs
Hi BoS - I've replied over at WP:WSS/P about both this and the thailand-struct-stub/bangkok-stub proposal. Grutness...wha?  01:25, 3 September 2008 (UTC) PS - believe it or not I'm slow enough that I never clicked until now that you and "The Bald One" were the same editor :)

Azerbaijan redux
See my post at User talk:Phlegm Rooster. The sources he found are quite good, and the municipality structure has been laid bare by one of them. Now, we're getting somewhere. I have left a question for you & PR to ponder. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 05:34, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Yep - 4000 more changes. :-( I'm also glad that PR, you and I seem in sync on this - finally. :-) Carlossuarez46 (talk) 16:11, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Why do you say that? See Yenikənd, Agdash, last one I've done. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 16:44, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I was making the same edit as you were, edit conflict. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 16:46, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Will try to find. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 16:49, 3 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 21:32, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * As a last item; still lots of movings going on as new orthographies and name changes are discerned. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 21:33, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * AWB? Nope. All by hand - cut & paste. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 21:39, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Ecoleetage
Did you hear about Eco? He apparently quit (or took a long wikibreak--his message was sorta vague) because of the growing hostility toward WPedians, especially at his RfA. And it was his motto that "Heaven is other people." Sigh. I wonder if me or you will ever burn out. Sometimes, I can say, I've felt like it. --I'm an Editorofthewiki[citation needed] 19:36, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

The new film by year template
Hi - are you aware that the name of the new combined film by year template Template:American films is very close to another existing template, Template:Americanfilms (with no space between "American" and "films"), which is a sidebar? I've made the mistake a number of times now. Would it be better to rename it Template:American films by year? Ed Fitzgerald  "unreachable by rational discourse" (t / c) 19:48, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Ed Fitzgerald  "unreachable by rational discourse" (t / c) 20:11, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Re:Palestine
Thanks man! More work to come. --Al Ameer son (talk) 22:20, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

National parks
If you have the chance, you should read the history section of Nki National Park. Kinda sad ain't it. I don't know why I chose Nki, as there is a lot more on neighboring Boumba Bek, but I think this can be developed into a good article. With your help, of course. --I'm an Editorofthewiki[citation needed] 23:07, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Fancy writing an article?
I'll get onto the bot work shortly (possibly over the weekend), but I was wondering if you'd be interested in a little collaboration on that article we discussed about the RFK conspiracy theories? I figured a bit of construction in our userspaces would be a good way to begin, if you fancied it...? By the way, I'm back! Thanks for the messages while I was away Fritzpoll (talk) 14:26, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Bond
Maybe, but probably is one of the earlier Bond films. Not so much in the current continuity.  BIGNOLE     (Contact me)

Carnatic music terminology
Hi. The Carnatic music terminology is a definition of terms, like Glossary of musical terminology. The glossary page mentioned does not have any references! Similarly this page that I have started to put together has links to all the detail pages. Can we dispense with the requirement to cite references on this page, similar to the other glossary page? VasuVR (talk) 02:27, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Greetings again
Hi again, Blofeld-- here's the reply I promised you a while ago. You'd better pull up a chair and sit down, this is going to be a long rant: As I told Caspian, I keep looking in to find a way to come back, but the more I see the worse I feel. Betacommand's defenders, for one (all Admins)... And your Image-Admin friend above (archived now), for another example. Well, at least he had the decency to undelete the Public Domain image-- hoorah!-- but I'm missing something. Where's the outrage? I guess even this image-hater admits that it was a wrong deletion... so.. what? What happens to the vandal(s) who deleted this perfectly usable image? What apology goes to the original contributor-- whose contribution was basically pissed on? Nothing. This is just business as usual at Wikipedia. Contributions are always suspect, and deletions-- if done properly and recklessly by bot-- are always given the benefit of the doubt. But here is what is even worse-- your Image-Admin friend did not restore THIS perfectly usable fair use movie poster image from 1925! What could he have possibly been thinking? An inappropriate deletion was pointed out to him, and he let it remain.

Here is what I think he is saying here: Fair use images, even posters illustrating films in articles about the film are going to all be deleted eventually. Further, I think his lack of concern over the deletion of a Public Domain image indicates that it will eventually become "consensus" that all images will eventually be removed. Why risk a law suit? (I know that makes absolutely no sense, but this is fanaticism we're talking about.) Further, I believe that this anti-content, pro-nothing-ist attitude extends into article content, and articles themselves.

I don't see the AfD you won by a landslide as any kind of real victory either. How many editors' time was wasted in that needless AfD? And in other needless AfDs every day? And if no one had noticed the AfD, that material would be gone now. So where is the punishment for the fool who brought up this AfD? No where... he is free to make as many AfDs as he wants, even repeat-nominating articles, until he gets tired. And fanatics rarely tire.

And I do realize that these nutcases are in the minority-- but they are in power. They are, by and large, the Admins. Betacommand was an Admin until recently, and still-- even after the community has repeatedly said "Enough!"-- has many die-hard supporters, most of whom are Admins-- that in itself should be a big red flag saying, "Something ain't right here!" Yes, the true "Consensus", the majority of contributors, is constantly annoyed, outraged, and turned away by this anti-content fanaticism... But that is no comfort until the tide turns. I don't enjoy working against the spirit of this volunteer project, and the guiding spirit these days is to remove content, not to contribute. If you remove, you are helping Wikipedia. If you contribute, you are a problem. This is why full-out raving lunatics like Betacommand and many others are tolerated long after anyone who actually adds content to articles would be... They delete, so they are "helping" the project... I could probably spend all day listing perfectly acceptable Fair Use film poster images that have been inappropriately deleted... Here are a few quickies for your viewing pleasure: (1925 film poster),  (1930 film poster),  (1929 film poster),  (1961 film poster)... And a few in the Public Domain:  (1922 film poster),  (1915 film poster),  (1921 film poster)... And here's a beautiful example of Wikipedian improvement at work:  (Not only was the poster removed, the entire infobox was removed after vandalism)... I could go on all day finding this kind of totally inappropriate deletion of content... Remember, the biggest problem with every one of these images was that the description was not done properly. Why was the remover not required to fix it instead of deleting it? And these are just images, not articles, because improperly-removed images still leave a trace in the edit-summaries. Improperly deleted articles are invisible to us non-admin peons... Pardon my French, but what the FUCK is going on here? People are free to delete randomly, disruptively, destructively, and this is what creates a sense of futility and drives good contributors away from this project... And about that little, specialty Wiki I'm working at now never being as "successful" as Wikipedia? Well, God save us from such "success"! ;-) Take care. Dekkappai (talk) 03:48, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the feed-back, Blofeld. The cynicism didn't appear out of nowhere, it came gradually over 2 1/2 years of seeing this kind of stuff happen repeatedly (and I didn't even mention the POV-pushing, the edit-warring, the rule-making and rule-changing, and the non-stop discussion of those rules, etc...) I just find it intolerable that we have here a system here in which people are free to continuously make reckless deletion nominations without consequence. I can't see spending my spare time, my hobby-time, fighting such nonsense when I'd rather be doing something positive and constructive. Maybe I'll be able to come to a different view of Wikipedia eventually, but until then, I'll have to finally close out my talk page and stop looking in for a while. I wish you and the other good ones here the best of luck. Regards. Dekkappai (talk) 16:23, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks
Hey there, as you may know, I withdrew my RfA earlier this week. I am sorry if I disappointed you, as you stated your support for my endeavours. However, I could not tolerate the stress brought by the personal attacks and hostility that were being aimed my way. I am on Wikibreak now (just checking the site to make sure no one goofed up my pages) and I am not certain when or if I will resume full editing. But I wanted to say Hello and share my appreciation for your friendship. Ecoleetage (talk) 04:07, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

re: Polish cinema request
Hi. Yep, I'll have a look at adding the stubs in the next few days. Thanks for the kind words re: Celi's filmography.  Lugnuts  (talk) 07:59, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Poland-film-stub
I doubt it's a problem as such, but it did strike me as remarkably hasty to be adding it alongside a clearcut speedy of a template that had already existed for some time, and was already populated, when you were actually in the very throes of creating it.

As regards application, however, I think it would be best to restrict it to those that are unambiguously Polish productions, and/or in the Polish language. Broader use would seem to me to seriously dilute any actual utility it might have. Alai (talk) 15:03, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

My apologies
Perhaps the facts that (a) no numbers were presented and (b) the Great and Powerful Alai said it was only used on 2 articles prompted my reaction. Please...don't throw me in the volcano...!!! :P Her Pegship  (tis herself) 16:31, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

LOLZ
Well a bit busy again....... That why hadn't had time to visit and restart our discussion re Zinta - it'll need to wait a few days.

Now, I'm giving you randon questions. Make your choices, and please be quick and funny: Shahid •  Talk 2 me  17:59, 5 September 2008 (UTC)


 * 1) One habit you'd like to break: Editing wikipedia
 * 2) On a scale of 1-10, rate yourself as a Wikipedian: 9
 * 3) Other than you, the best Wikipedian according to you:Best encyclopedia writer? - Easily User:PericlesofAthens. Overall wikipedian? Probably BiNguyen.
 * 4) A Wikipedian who's been your inspiration:In the early days User:Darwinek. These days I am self-inspired
 * 5) An underrated Wikipedian:User:Lugnuts, User:Polylerus
 * 6) A lesser known article you have worked on which you are very proud of:Deforestation in Brazil, not because it is a good article but because it contains very important content which was missing entirely.
 * 7) If you were someone else, you would be:Richie Sambora from Bon Jovi
 * 8) One thing you would like to change about Wikipedia:Deletionism and wiki lawyering
 * 9) If you had an opportunity to come back in time, which celebrity woman you'd like to date? Greta Garbo in the thirties. Ursula Andress, Claudia Cardinale or Barbara Bouchet in the 60s
 * 10) As a child you had a crush on:Sharon Stone
 * 11) The hottest Hollywood actress:Angelina Jolie
 * 12) The hottest Bollywood actress:Bipasha Basu
 * 13) Bette Davis or Joan Crawford:Joan Crawford
 * 14) Kate Bush or Madonna:Neither, I can't stand them both.
 * 15) Tom Cruise or Nicolas Cage:Cruise
 * 16) Rank in order of preference - Whitney, Mariah, Celine:(Dude I am a rock guy! These are girlie girl singers!. It should be more like Bon Jovi, Aerosmith and Guns and Roses or favourite guitarists: Hendrix, Satriani, Steve Ray Vaughan, Clapton and Sambora). They are all fantastic singers though. I like Mariah
 * 17) Rank in order of preference - Meryl S, Julia R, Angelina J: Acting ability? as you;ve listed, hotness and likeability? Angelina first, Julia Roberts, Meryl Streep
 * 18) Which actor was according to you the most perfect James Bond? Sean Connery although Timothy Dalton I think was the most convincing.
 * 19) Who's acoording to you the next actor to play JB? Woody Allen
 * 20) Your take on the following: A) The Oscars: B) WP:GA: C) Youtube D) Leona Lewis: a]over rated b] Not enough of them c]second best site on the web aside from wiki d]over rated, hot though. Great hair.
 * 21) Your favourite Shania Twain song:From This Moment On
 * 22) Love or Money:Money
 * 23) Sex or Shania Twain:"Sex with Shania Twain" sounds good to me.
 * 24) If you woke up tne morning and realised that you had turned into the most powerful admin on here (or even the owner of WP), you would:

Commericalise it and start making millions from advertising. Or create anarchy LOL. Just kidding

There you go  The Bald One        White cat 10:05, 6 September 2008 (UTC)


 * LOL the questions are not mine.... Only a few of them related to Shania and James bond. Kate Bush is British that's why I mentioned her LOL... Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  10:29, 6 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Your answers are amazingly spontaneous and funny - it seems it didn't take too much for you to write them. When you have time, I'll be happy to answer such questions composed by you. I try to entertain myself in every possible way. Oh Claudia Cardinale was damn amazing!!!!!!!! Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  10:37, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh and I liked the "sex with Shania" LOL!!! Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  10:39, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
 * LOL, hey listen when you have time I want you to make me the same list.... I want to answer too. :P Chaoo... Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  10:43, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
 * The questions I gave you were much easier - You're unfair... Well you it answered. Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  11:57, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

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APPEAL TO SAVE POK ARTICLE
please save POK article from deletion Pakistan occupied Kashmir article has been posted for deletion..i have made the following appeal there: if you can improve this article or if you believe that the article can be improved by removing the edit ban(say, exampple: semiprotect) and if you also concur that pok not equal to ajk, please help in saving this article from deleters with nationalistic (pakistani)/ religious(islamist?) motives for POK article removal(example: User:paharisahib is pakistani)..please save the POKarticle...Kashmircloud (talk) 10:41, 6 September 2008 (UTC) How desperate can you get lobbying for votes 86.158.235.148 (talk) 13:09, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
 * do not delete : PLEASE allow editing to take place in this article so that it gets balanced; disabling editing and then crying unbalanced is hypocrisy!!!..As we all know we didn't delete european union article just because there was an "england" article or "france" article or "germany" article (which are part of EU nevertheless) ... Similarly we did not destroy soviet union article just because it is divided into 15 parts..Further it is very very clear that POK is not the same as "azad k ONLY" or "northern areas ONLY" as pok also includes trans karakoram tract, gilgit and baltistan (from 1947 till now)...pok term is used by most if not all non pakistan media.so ip and soman contention invalid.. i think it is not "fork" since contents are not identical, verifiable, has reliable sources and differs from the other articles like "trans-Karakoram tract" or "Northern Areas" (at the maximum, there is a passing reference in the summary(if this is considered fork) style with redirect links to sub regions).So, i am opposing this high handed move based on ignorance..rather i suggest that those who suggest it as non neutral contribute towards making this neutral, if it is not already neutral..pahari sahib's contention of inflammatory not substantiated both in talk page of pok or otherwise..so DO NOT DELETEKashmircloud (talk) 10:41, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Edits to List of James Bond henchmen in Die Another Day
You've improperly used rollback to revert edits of mine on this article. Then, you referred to my edits and those of Pd THOR (who had been here nearly four years and has never been blocked) as vandalism. The tagging of the article done by Pd THOR and the image removals I have made are entirely proper and inline with policy. I recommend you carefully consider your actions before reverting these edits again. I also encourage you to read Talk:List of James Bond henchmen in Die Another Day. Thank you, --Hammersoft (talk) 00:51, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Americana
Hello! I was making good progress on the cultural and historical sections. I had into some problems at work (unrelated to my Wiki activities, of course) and then I got sidetracked on other Wiki projects. I'll jump back in ASAP! Maybe tomorrow! --Polylerus (talk) 05:07, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

TfD nomination of Template:S-awards
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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Aaron Cove, Newfoundland and Labrador
Please see my comments at Articles for deletion/Aaron Cove, Newfoundland and Labrador and  Articles for deletion/Abbot Cove, Newfoundland and Labrador. --Eastmain (talk) 20:52, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of List of James Bond henchmen in Die Another Day
I have nominated List of James Bond henchmen in Die Another Day, an article you created, for deletion. I do not think that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Articles for deletion/List of James Bond henchmen in Die Another Day. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ( talk ) 21:04, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

You are being discussed at WP:ANI
Link is here. My initial assessment is that Hammersoft is, in the main, right. I can see a possible use of the Zao picture being justified due to the character's unusual appearance, but the other four clearly fail WP:NFCC. As far as your comment on the talkpage goes, whilst I agree that some parts of fair-use image policy are disputed, as far as four of the five relevant images were concerned, WP:NFCC is not unclear in the slightest.

Two points raise themselves - (1) referring to image tagging as "vandalism" is assuming bad faith and not a good idea; (2) Using rollback to revert edits that are clearly not vandalism (whatever your viewpoint might be) and/or edit-war is an even worse idea, and may lead to your use of it being revoked, which no-one wants to see happen. Black Kite</b> 22:34, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Just use Twinkle's rollback to take care of improper action by the image cabal. The server rollback is highly overrated. --Dragon695 (talk) 22:54, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Great advice, that'd just result in Twinkle removal as well. Note: this conversation led on from here.<b style="color:black;">Black Kite</b> 23:01, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

The Coves
Blofeld, thess suprises me. Settlements are inherantly notable, and you have been a proponant of this. I understand that this was originally a substub, but we create them all the time. Given the time it will grow, as it has here. --I'm an Editorofthewiki[citation needed] 00:35, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

AfD of article you created
It appears that you were not informed of this. Bruley, an article you created, has been nominated for deletion. See discussion here. --Oakshade (talk) 01:34, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

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AfD nomination of Bruley
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Images
I agree with you. Sadly, there are literally thousands of pages with policy-violating multiple fair use images on Wikipedia, and far too few people willing to tackle them. this list is well out of date now, but contains well over 1,000 articles - and that's only the articles that have (or used to have) 10 or more images! As for your article, wait until the AfD ends (it'll be kept) and put the Zao image back in. As for Frost, I'm not completely convinced, but some text about her appearance in her article would go some way to helping the image along. <b style="color:black;">Black Kite</b> 18:15, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Bruley
I speedy closed that one, as villages are inherantly notable. I'll see what I can do in expanding and translation the article. Sorry to here about your computer--I had the same problem with mine two years ago, and I had to get it replaced. Recently I've been working on Manu Dibango--he's been credited with the fisrst disco song--and Boumba Bek National Park, Nki (which recently passed GA)'s neighbor. When your computer is working properly could you peer review FHB or Leon M'ba again? --I'm an Editorofthewiki[citation needed] 19:40, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

revisit Featured article candidates/1964 Gabon coup d'état
Hi, I've left some comments at Featured article candidates/1964 Gabon coup d'état. If you have time, I wonder if you would revisit it? Thanks, Ling.Nut (talk&mdash;WP:3IAR) 00:20, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

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Images help
Blof, please help. User:Sfan00 IMG keeps tagging images I've uploaded for no reason; I can't get what the CSD criteria has to do with this and what his tags are meant for. I was always trying to address his tags, but that doesn't help, he keeps adding irrelevant tags, and loading my talk page with his automatic messages. At first I added rationales (back in time), then when he asked again, source, then even added templates. Now Mspraveen helped me to add FU rationale, and now he tags the images again. It's annoying. Please see the history of my talk page; I reverted his notices but please see the previous revision and the images.

I also see in his talk page editors' warnings to stop tagging images. Please help Blof. Shahid •  Talk 2 me  17:01, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
 * What to you mean by copyright holder? I generally use your Filmr tanplate and Mspraveen used the traditional Template:Non-free use rationale. they should cover that all. Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  17:34, 11 September 2008 (UTC)


 * LOL - I know what copyright holder is. I mean that neither your nor the other template have such a field. Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  20:56, 11 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Blof, please see this section: Talk:Preity Zinta. I wanted to archive it but as you know this is a research of all the reviews that she's received for her notable films, in order to find out the majority view. I'd worked on it to prevent any case of editors questioning the neutrality of the reviews (remember why I started this research?). I know in the FAC nobody questioned the neutrality of the article (well if they didn't question Reese W's reviews, why would they do that with Zinta's?) because I worked very hard to present reviews which represent the majority view, but anyway, I think it should be kept for everybody to see (that's why I don't want to archive it and leave it on the taslk page).
 * I have a request and a question:
 * A) If anybody questions that when I'm not here, please refer them to this analysis.
 * B) Secondly, what do you think about creating a subpage for that? Something like <Talk:Preity Zinta/Reviews> and link that in the section? Or do you think it's better to leave the section in the way it is now? Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  07:41, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Right. Nonetheless, since the FAC, I have added some negative quotes as well. But the research is good, so I don't whether archive or not. Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  12:01, 13 September 2008 (UTC)


 * "Zinta has stated that the tragic accident and her father's death was a significant turning point in her life" - is the grammar here correct? Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  13:20, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
 * LOL I know. It's not that though. Well I thought it should be "were" because it refers to the "the tragic accident and her father's death"... You know I'm often very critical of my work. I'm yet to restart our unclosed discussion about something that concerns me. I have so many things to do before I leave, but I have no time - that's what saddens me. Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  14:08, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Here you have one of the strongest scenes in Khoon Bhari Maang! Brrr CROCODILE!!! Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  14:53, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
 * And here's her transformation into a beautiful lass post the plastic surgery. I'm so happy Youtube have uploaded it! Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  14:57, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
 * R you serious? Had I shown you that already? And the second part? Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  15:05, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeh LOL it is after the plastic surgery (yak!)... You must see that. The operation part is disgusting, but the most exciting part is at the end of the video, when Kabir Bedi slaps her son and she discovers her new face. It's amazing. Btw, this surgeon is a famous actor isn't he? What do you think about this part? Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  15:15, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
 * The only thing I can say is that you are one crazy editor. Only crazy editors like you can work so extensively. Great really. Did you see the plastic surgery? And if yes, did you vomit afterwards? LOL! The surgeon is a British actor isn't he? Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  21:30, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
 * hmm interesting, why did you think so? Is it somehow related to the surgery? And this surgeon is he British or not? His face looks so familiar to me... Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  21:38, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh no it's Tom Alter - he is an Indian of American descent. Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  21:40, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I mean that I saw him in foreign movies - one of which is Gandhi (film). Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  21:45, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh yeh forgot about it completely. It's probably one of the most amazing films I've ever seen. It talks about values, conventions, religion, love, childhood, infidelity, helplessness and despair, hope, friendship, dedication. I miss this film so much, I must see it soon. When I have time, I promise to expand it. Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  21:53, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Beautiful women. Lawson in particular is gorgeous and I like her accent too! ;) Sarah is hot, and a good singer too. I'm now having a fight with some user on the Salman Khan page - he added one little controversy with four references (two of which are unreliable) - I shortened it, as it went to unnecessary detail and unneeded blog sentences. In between, I made some changes on the article, reverted vandalism - and the guy... he fully reverted all my edits to his last version!! Do you know him? I've sent his a message now. Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  23:28, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
 * She's HOT!! Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  22:30, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

General editing
I'm not feeling all that motivated to edit right now since apparently we can't translate anything from another Wikipedia unless we personally access the sources. If this is the case, goodbye. --I'm an Editorofthewiki[citation needed] 22:27, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Images
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Moving Central American departments
I reported you for supporting, like me, a common naming scheme for country subdivision articles. TopoCode (talk) 04:04, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

BotStar!
Thank you! That was very kind. Alai (talk) 14:56, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

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A. E. Smith (violin maker)
Boy, THAT was quick!! Good to see someone's on their toes. Cheers. -- JackofOz (talk) 13:43, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

About my article: Anastasiya Markovich
Hi Blofeld of SPECTRE

Give me some time. In about 3 weeks I go to the Ukraine and will search for third- party sources about her. The outcome of this research I will use in the article.

About the section: Culture impact of her living- and working town. I will rewrite this part in a way that the information will be clear and relevant for this article. I think the environment is important for a certain development in (artistic) live. You are right this part is now not ok for that purposes.

About the category Time etc. Under the images I place this, also Time in Art, This category is in Wikimedia Commons where my images are. I was already surprised that in the Sandbox from Wikipedia this changed in red, I deleted then Time in Art. You are right for the article this not ok, I think for an images its ok.

Two Questions:

When I have rewritten these two parts can I send then the two rewritten parts to you, the old boy (I’m 68) can always learn! Or I can publish then these two parts and wait its good or not.

When the article is ready can I translate this article in German, French, Dutch and Italian and published in the other Wikipedia or is that not a good idea? Labberté K.J. (talk) 18:41, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

There's deliberately not, on the theory that geographical features are better split by location than by type. Feel free to propose it, but I'm fairly sure there will be opposition from at least one of the "regulars". For myself, I think it depends on how many "landform specialist" editors there are out there, and how useful such a type would be to them. Alai (talk) 20:36, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

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Hi, B. of S.
I have a lot of pictures, landscape, towns etc. It’s not a problem for me to publish these. The only think is, this uploading form is like filling in a tax form! I use now already Word, copy and its ready, but that’s not working in the category! I use already the trick uploading without this part and then editing from Word (don't tell anybody, my hunting dog is coming)! Is there not a quicker way? Can I make a new tap on my user page, if yes how? How I can edit, for example, under the M the painters name from my article? Thanks and Regards, The old boy from Holland. Labberté K.J. (talk) 10:41, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Districts of Laos
Talk:Districts of Laos TopoCode (talk) 16:45, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh yes, there too, so not only in the province articles. The diffs seem to be about ending "e" sometimes and about syllable splitting. TopoCode (talk) 16:51, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Danish film
Alas, only 46 thus far. Start editing. Her Pegship <small style="color:green;"> (tis herself) 17:32, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

re: Worst film ever
Hi mate. A few contenders for me: Crash, Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas and Police Academy 7. All very, very bad.  Lugnuts  (talk) 17:42, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Barnstar
Thank you for the completely unexpected barnstar. I appreciate it, and so will my wonderful dentist when I tell her. Finetooth (talk) 19:21, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

VDCs
Hmm. I wonder why we didn't think of that sooner, since it was right on the government page! Your friend Eddy of the wiki[citation needed] 20:29, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Category:Films shot in 35mm
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Bengali film
Thanks for advice...I should obey this. I want to complete all red to blue and all past Bengali Movie.I think I can help from you. Here is a problem. There are no good online reference of the Bengali film and Bengali film Industry. Only www.gomolo.in and The telegraph newspaper reference available. But betwen past 1940 to 1990 years no data avalabe on web. The there have many books avalable on market. Bengali film and Bengali film Industry related people are popular in eastern India, Bangladesh, Assam and Tripura. If I refere those (books,magazine,etc) reference, it is accepted in wiki? Few days ago I started an article Rudranil Ghosh, But it taged as Deletion. So I afraid. --Jayanta Nath 05:27, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

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Image:Arzoo50.jpg
Hi there, this image is not of the Arzoo 1950 film, all the cast on the cover acted in 1960's era movies and none of the film's cast shows up on the cover.Haphar (talk) 12:38, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Sure will work on them, but might not be able to work at the same rate as I once did on the Hindi movie articles ( and that was dextrous of you to change "Bollywood" to Hindi movie, remembered that I do not like the term Bollywood eh ;-).) Haphar (talk) 12:47, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Country subdivisions
Maybe I get blocked soon and then cannot go on with the work easily and cannot talk to you anymore. So here a small reference to WikiProject_Country_subdivisions - maybe it would be good to have only one Infobox template. Bots could convert the data. Also the NC would be good to be improved and made into a policy so that people converting "Copenhague municipality" to "Copenhague Municipality" have it easier. TopoCode (talk) 13:17, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Re: Translating Tarnowskie Góry
I would if I had more time; try asking at WP:PWNB for more volunteers (I still may help at some point).--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 16:47, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Sia, le rêve du python
Hey there, I am back on Wikipedia for the long haul. And I have new article you might like, with a Burkina Faso heritage: Sia, le rêve du python. I shared this with EotW, too -- you guys are keeping Burkina Faso front-and-center on Wikipedia. Cheers! Ecoleetage (talk) 02:36, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Films coordinator elections - voting now open!
Girolamo Savonarola (talk) 20:27, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Senegal
Good--I noticed that site earlier, though I put it on the back burner in favor of Burkina. I'll look into the Cinema of Senegal, though I'm currently occupied with 1964 Gabon's FAC. Regards Your friend Eddy of the wiki [citation needed]

WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals/2008/June
Grutness and I are wondering if you might like to close this long proposal that dates from June, but still hasn't been closed by the Stubs Project. Regards and many thanks if you have a spare moment to attend to this! -- Klein zach  00:49, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah - sorry to dump this with you (please don't set your evil henchmen onto me!), but all the regular proposals-closers seem to have been involved in this debate, so it was a case of finding a reliable experienced stub regular who'd be able to do the job. Kleinzach and Pegship's comments at the end of the debate seem to sum it up quite well. Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  03:14, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Hi, I see you have closed the discussion to the effect that WikiProject Stub sorting will now create the following new stubs: Um... could you please post to the Opera Project Talk Page about how these are supposed to work? For example, what sort of stub are we supposed to use for operas in other languages? Like Russian, Czech, Polish, Spanish etc.? Do we continue with this one Opera-stub for those? OP members may have other questions as well. We'd really appreciate your input. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 21:48, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Opera-bio-stub
 * Opera-struct-stub
 * Italian-opera-stub
 * French-opera-stub
 * English-opera-stub
 * German-opera-stub


 * Yes please can you explain these extraordinary decisions to the Opera Project? At the end of the discussion I suggested that no action was required now and this seems to have been accepted as a final view. -- Klein zach  23:08, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Extraordinary?? Most of them have well over 100 stubs. Category:Opera structure stubs has over twice the minimum for stub categories on wikipedia with 134, perfectly within reason. The opera project is not exempt from the stub sorting project and neither is the reason of a bot a valid reason not to sort it. Surely you have WikiProject Opera articles which categorizes all opera articles in the same way? If not, then again your're not following convention. The Bald One      <font size="-4"> White cat 11:00, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

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Image:RobertGouletasHabsburg.jpg
Ho Blofeld. The image you uploaded, Image:RobertGouletasHabsburg.jpg, doesn't seem to be working. -- Suntag  <font color="#FF8C00">☼  03:00, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
 * It was corrupted badly, wouldn't give a regular image in firefox, wouldn't thumbnail in ie7.  SkierRMH  ( talk ) 04:08, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

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Hey
Hey Blof! How're you doing? It's been a while. What's going on? Mspraveen (talk) 16:20, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
 * LOL? Do I crack you up or something? :)) Well, it's just been fine. DYK'ing some Indian cinema articles and that's pretty much it these days. What's with you? Mspraveen (talk) 04:48, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Re: Closing Opera-stub
Sounds fine to me, but no doubt there will be arguments from some sources no matter what is done (as you may have already found out, by the looks of comments further up this page - sorry!) Thanks. Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  00:43, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

French rivers
Hi Stavro, you created a number of French river articles (all of them apparently in the Alpes-Maritimes department) last April. The past few weeks I've been going over the rivers in France, and for several of your new rivers, I couldn't find any data. Also several were spelled wrong, for instance Ciavanette instead of Cianavelle. Could you tell me what source you used? Problematic rivers are Braisse, Braus, Caramagne, Castérine, Clans River, Faye River, Nieya and Oglione. Markussep Talk 14:14, 19 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I've traced it back to this edit, November 2004. I'll ask Ksnow where he got them, and if he doesn't remember I'll tag them for deletion. Markussep Talk 14:26, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Hey
Replied. Shahid •  Talk 2 me  16:26, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Blof please tell me what you think about the following changes which I plan to make:


 * The film, which relates the love story of an Indian officer and a Pakistani woman, had a strong international release, including a screening at the Berlin Film Festival, and won several Best Movie awards in major Indian award ceremonies. ---> The film, which relates the love story of an Indian officer, Veer Pratap Singh, and a Pakistani woman, Zaara Hayaat Khan, had a strong international release, including a screening at the Berlin Film Festival, and won several Best Movie awards in major Indian award ceremonies. (doesn't it make the sentence too long?)
 * Zinta's portrayal of a Pakistani girl was praised ---> Zinta's portrayal of Zaara, an intelligent Pakistani girl, was praised.
 * Variety noted, "Zinta, the most interesting young actress of her generation, is her usual lively self as the willful Zaara." ---> Variety hailed her as "the most interesting young actress of her generation," writing that she "is her usual lively self as the willful Zaara."


 * What do you think? Do you have better ideas for each? Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  16:33, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
 * No these are changes which I plan to display together. I mean, are all of them fine? Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  16:39, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Yes that seems OK although its not as easy to see without seeing it in the articles  The Bald One       <font size="-4"> White cat 16:42, 19 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Please read my new e-mail now. Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  17:05, 19 September 2008 (UTC)


 * The film, which relates the love story of an Indian officer, Veer Pratap Singh, and a Pakistani woman, Zaara Hayaat Khan, had a strong international release, including a screening at the Berlin Film Festival, and won several Best Movie awards in major Indian award ceremonies. Zinta's portrayal of Zaara, a smart Pakistani girl, was praised; she received her fourth Filmfare Best Actress nomination and won the Stardust Star of the Year Award for the second consecutive year. Variety hailed her as "the most interesting young actress of her generation," writing that she "is her usual lively self as the willful Zaara."
 * It doesn't seem perfect to me. Isn't the first sentence too long? Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  17:15, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

El Salvador - excellent work
That is a great article. I am in awe of your output. Ecoleetage (talk) 21:50, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the kind words. Your support is highly valued. Ecoleetage (talk) 22:58, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

LANDMINE OF AFRICAN INFO
Hey Blof I have great news! I just discovered a landmine of info on Gabon. It's called Gabon: A Neo-Colonial Enclave of Enduring French Interest by Michael C. Reed. With this we can develop Gabon-related articles into B, Good, and even featured quality! Ask Nishkid to send you an e-mail--he gets it free through his university. Your friend Eddy of the wiki [citation needed] 21:51, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
 * No I don't think it's that--he's just a quiet, humble person. Perhaps he doesn't know you well enough to communicate effectively (or some mumbo jumbo like Dr. Phil would say) or he's just very busy. I think it is the latter. I understand he is trying to bring Emperor Jean-Bedel Bokassa, a very important figure in Africa's history, to featured status. I might just join him, after I'm done with the Gabon FT (Mba/Aubame/Gondjout/1964) and Bam. Perhaps you can help while I frantically work to bring the coup to FA! Your friend Eddy of the wiki [citation needed] 22:06, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Well you know what his slogan is: "Make articles, not wikidrama". He's a prophet. Your friend Eddy of the wiki [citation needed] 01:57, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Fair use enforcement and the role of TWINKLE
Would you back semi-offical calls for TWINKLE's functions in respect of tagging images to be modifed so that it sectionalizes mass trawls into a list format instead of the fluury of tickets it generates currently?

I use TWINKLE to so most of the image enforcment... As you can probably tell from my contribs...Hopefully it hasn't broken image captions this time around.LMK ASAP if you find any that it has..

Sfan00 IMG (talk) 21:57, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Suggested Changes to Policy/Tools in response to 'bot-drills' and related..
(note this is also prompted by BetaCommandBot issues)

I SFan00_IMG propose that:

i) To support generally held views such as WP:NPA, WP:Civility, that policy guidelines on fair use enforcement advise against using no fair use or disupted fair use speedies without at least trying to fill in the context based on the linked article.

ii) Furthermore to support the above, that automated tools be modfied to sectionalise mass trawls into tabular or list format, over the current apparent use of a single long msg for each image.

iii) A specific template be created and integrated into automated tools (such as TWINKLE), that allows image uploaders to be informed as to rights holder attribution issues, without the users of such tools having to use the ominous sounding Disputed Fair Use templates (as at present), use of such option in TWINKLE should result in an appropriate msg or list additon to Uploaders, but not in modification of image instance captions.

iv) That a suitable flag be developed to indicate to patrollers that the images on a page have been checked in an article upto a specific revision/date.

v) That an automated means for de-tagging image instance captions is added to TWINKLE, as it's tiresome and error prone having to do this manually. Such a de-tag option would also remove the appropriate template from the Image page concerned, if there is only one 'issue' related template present.

vi) Longer term, that a redesign of the user page interface be considered so that image/article issues are listed in a more user friendly manner than the current talk page/watch list interface. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 22:22, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

John Carter
I lost contact with him soon after he became an admin. I'm surprised and saddened that he left. JASpencer (talk) 22:01, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Opera stubs
I hate to cop out of this, but I'm afraid it's a little more than I can face right now... I'll get back to it in a couple of days if I can:  otherwise it might be more like this time next week. You see now why none of the other regulars were rushing to close it: it would have been a clear-cut case to split it one way or the other normally, but one editor in particular was making a major stink about anything that wasn't being done with the prior approval of the opera project. Which of course would then be withheld, for no explicit reason beyond "that's not how we want to do this". An earlier split was in fact completely undone, unilaterally... by that very same editor. No-one else involved in the discussion had an especially strong view on whether to split, or which way, so the vitriolic opposition from that one quarter effectively dominated the discussion. After much huffing and puffing, the main opera stub category had been brought down below 800, so technically it was no longer urgent, though it seems pretty clear to me that not splitting now is just guaranteeing it'll be back over 800 soon enough, whereupon we face having to have the whole thing out all over again. There's an extreme case of article ownership going on there, in my view. Frankly, it's the sort of thing that makes me want to a) cry, and b) question the value of expending time and effort on Wikipedia. Alai (talk) 23:27, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Sadly, I agree that things like stubs for French and Italian operas need doing, plus some sorting out of the bio-stubs. I say sadly, because normally if the stub categories were that size and we ran into problems with another WikiProject I'd be more inclined to leave it alone until they reached the size where splitting became urgent. In this case, though, as Alai suggests, we'll probably end up having a lot of the sorted stubs dumped back into the main stub category again before too long though, and at least it would save having to go through the whole rigmarole again later. If it wasn't so WP:POINTy I'd suggest adding a line to the top of {{WP:STUB]] saying "Note - this page applies to all stubs on Wikipedia except those about opera". Sorry again to have got you into this mess. Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  00:06, 20 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi there. I just wanted to say as someone from the opera wikiproject that I appriciate your efforts on the opera stubs. Sorry, I haven't supported you earlier but I was a little hesitant to jump into the middle of the battlefield so to speak. I have stepped in now (see opera talk page) and I think Voceditenore and I have found a good solution that should make most people happy at both projects. Thanks again for your hard work.Nrswanson (talk) 08:05, 20 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi Blofeld...I feel your pain, having been the target of the editor you mentioned. I completely do not understand the intransigence of the people in the other project...at least the most vociferous of them. They can't be all bad, but where are the ones who are reasonable and objective?! Grr. Ah well, never a frickin break. Her Pegship <small style="color:green;"> (tis herself) 20:19, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject James Bond New Collaboration of the fortnight
  The Windler      talk   00:49, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Path of the Mani

 * Sorry Ernst - I don't have that book available and I can't seem to find anything else about the "Path of the Mani" though I suspect it is a term for some pilgrimage. Will certainly let you know if I discover anything else. Cheers, John Hill (talk) 07:27, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Revert
I've reverted all his edits - I'm fed up. Shahid •  Talk 2 me  08:55, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
 * LOL exactly!! She looks a bit mean, but like in Jolie's case, her wicked look - that's what forms her sex appeal. Shahid  •  Talk 2 me  22:20, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Task forces
Hello! Thanks so much of thinking of me, but I need to pass on that. Be well. Ecoleetage (talk) 18:21, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Cooktown calling!
Hi Ernst! Sorry I haven't replied to you earlier - am still not very well and my computer also caught a couple of bad viruses so we have been having a bit of a bad time. Anyway, I have now cleared up the viruses (at least the ones in the computer) and I too am feeling a bit brighter though I am still having to take far too many pain-killers which leave me somewhat flat and lazy.

I have just had a quick look at your new article on the Tibetan Library and Archives in Dharamsala and the one on the Gaden Choeling Nunnery. Good work! I should be able to add more on the Library at least - I know it pretty well as I used to spend quite a bit of time there when I lived in Dharamsala - the problem will be to get references for everything. At least I should be able to discuss some of their very extensive and impressive publishing activities. Will try to get to it over the next few days.

Because I couldn't seem to get much action happening with the University press which originally asked to publish my annotated translation of the Chapter on the Western Regions from the Hou Hanshu (new title: Through the Jade Gate to Rome), I have decided to self-publish it through a large company owned by Amazon.com. They will be able to bring it out as one large volume (rather than two - which is what the university mob were suggesting) and I also will get a much larger percentage of sales - though I will have to do most of the marketing myself. So, I now have to really get down to work and reformat the whole book - a massive job - and get it to them in "print-ready" pdf files. It is likely to take me a couple of months of pretty intensive work - perhaps more if my arthritis doesn't improve soon - so I may not have a lot of time for Wiki work for a while (though I will certainly be contributing here and there and will continue monitoring a large number of articles for vandalism and tomfoolery).

Do keep in touch. all my very best wishes, John Hill (talk) 11:03, 25 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the prompt reply! Yes, I have been aware of Digital Himalaya but I have yet to explore it. I have just expanded the stub article on Hanle village and monastery a bit so that it looks more like a short article now. But that's enough for today - Chao, John Hill (talk) 11:49, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Re: Thailand strict/Buddhist monastery/Asian football stubs
Sounds fine by me. You're doing a lot of work with splits and proposing splits at the moment, so it's no surprise you feel busy! Might be worth remembering that we tend to split things when they reach 800 - some of the 500-700-sized ones can probably afford to go on the back burner for a while. Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  13:29, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Again, that sounds fine to me. Probably worth waiting a day or so for the Japanese bridge one, just to make sure, but I don't think anyone will object. As to the stub work, just be careful not to burn yourself out! :) Grutness...<small style="color:#008822;">wha?  13:37, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

tagging
Okay, now. For the moment, I've tagged Q through Y. And, as far as the cast lists are concerned, I know -- my more recent cast lists look like this. It's always a problem when these styles change over time -- at one point everyone on WP was pushing for tables, now it's back to prose. Who knows what the fashion will be next year? Grids? Venn diagrams? Ah, well. Personally, it's always more important to simply add good content. Cheers. — Cactus Writer |   needles  14:51, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I've finished tagging the rest of the Danish stubs (although there are undoubtedly some hiding from me in the depths of WP). Thanks for making that tag. Cheers. — Cactus Writer |   needles  21:06, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

African city Cats
Brilliant. I need to fill Category:Timbuktu, along with Category:Bamako and Category:Niamey. I think there may be a few more in Mali as well, and I hope to finish cities and historical states, perhaps to move on to roadways of Niger and Mali soon. I also hope to get back to the Wrestling (article research, not working up a sweat myself). T L Miles (talk) 20:07, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Cinema of Denmark Template
I'm not sure that I see the efficacy of breaking the lists down by year at this point. For any given year, there are less than ten Danish films of notability (often much less) -- so each page will appear as a bunch of large templates with very little content. The question I ask myself is what do I use the lists for? In general, I use them to search for specific films that I think were made during a broad period of time, say the 90's or something. It is then that I want to be able to scroll down a single list, rather than clicking on page after page. For that purpose, the decade lists work well for me -- large enough to have a lot of content, but not so large that they are difficult to scroll through. Of course, I am not sure how other people use them or why they use them. And I can understand if the pages are expanded in prose that describes the year, the highs, the awards, anything notable (although there are already notes on the page, plus links to other lists and the general Cinema of Denmark article which covers a lot of that already). In other words, I am not convinced of the need to spend a lot of time on that kind of breakdown. — Cactus Writer |   needles  20:09, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
 * For a small country of only 5 million people, producing several notable films per year is pretty impressive. Of course, more films are made, but merely being made does not denote notability. In reading through books on the history Danish cinema, there are plenty of films which are mentioned only in passing -- many which aren't mentioned at all -- and if these films aren't that notable in Danish books, they are hardly going to be notable on the English WP. I think if the Danish film section hits 500-700 film articles for the past century, that would be amazing. — Cactus Writer |   needles  20:26, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

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re: Alice O'Fredericks
Hi mate. Yes, I saw your stub proposal on the WP:FILM talk page, and followed the link to the stub page. I saw the Danish stubs from a few days back, and I'll go through and start the articles off over the next couple of days.  Lugnuts  (talk) 07:11, 26 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi Blofeld. I had blacked out many of the films of Alice O'Fredericks on her webpage and had left red-linked only the ones which I felt certain that I could easily defend as notable. Although she was a wonderful and important Danish director, many of her films are considered fairly pedestrian and aren't even mentioned in the historical literature (other than by name, synopsis and cast list). Her important works were really 1: Far til Fire (and the sequels, although a case could be made to merge them all into one article), 2: The Red Horses (and the other subsequent Morten Korch films), and 3: The Burning Question & We Meet at Tove's which were early women's rights films. As you say, a film like Familien Olsen had Ib Schønberg and Osvald Helmuth, not to mention Jon Iversen, but it is much harder to find any discussion of the film in sources which could build it's notability -- rather than simply saying there were famous peope in it. Given the recent efforts to mass delete the non-notable films, I figured it was better to concentrate my efforts on films which are without doubt important, notable and are readily discussed in books and journals -- of which there are a few hundred -- rather than spend a lot of time defending the more marginal films. I figure we can always work back into the smaller films later. I hope all this blather makes sense. — Cactus Writer |   needles  14:31, 27 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Your point is well-taken -- that the entire subject of cinema can be strengthened by inclusion of all the sourced material we can put into it. Some people lay out the bricks, other people fill in the mortar. All I can say is: Go for it. — Cactus Writer |   needles  14:59, 27 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Surprising at first with the red links, then when you look at legendary American film directors/actors, and look into their filmographies, you realise it's the norm! Will look to work through the relevant filmographies you mentioned on my talkpage.  Lugnuts  (talk) 15:01, 27 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, there seems to be alot of films - are all those silent films notable?  Lugnuts  (talk) 10:26, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Nordic cinema
Hey, how's it going? Sorry for taking so long to get back to you, I was enjoying schoolwork, The Office, and Run, Fatboy, Run. I believe the project has greatly improved since when I first started over two years ago. There are well-maintained departments, numerous task forces, extensive memberships, and many other great things. Unfortunately membership is limited for many of the task forces and it would be great if we had larger memberships for them as well. Even with just one or two film buffs, the foundation can be set for developing the numerous film articles that need to be created. Other film buffs will be here coming and going for years to come further improving the articles that are established. The creation of the categories seems find by me, and hopefully editors use them to further improve the quality of these articles. Keep up the good work and happy editing! --Nehrams2020 (talk) 09:28, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Notability of Else Højgaard
A tag has been placed on Else Højgaard requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done because the article, which appears to be about a real person, organization (band, club, company, etc.), or web content, does not indicate how or why the subject is notable: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not indicate the subject's importance or significance may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable. If this is the first page that you have created, then you should read the guide to writing your first article.

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 * C'mon, Blofeld, don't start listening to the hyper-inclusionists; I don't go on sprees. I was careful to handcraft a notice to you, in case this was one of your "rescue the obscure" operations. (You're good at that.) -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  21:24, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Danish copyright law
See http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:PD-Denmark. I don't know how "works of art" is interpreted in Danish law. I think in other countries as a general matter it is pretty broad and maybe encompasses basically everything except for passport-photo-type images. Calliopejen1 (talk) 22:29, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh wait, commons has more. :) "According to Danish law, Consolidated Act on Copyright 2003, the copyright on "photographic images" expire 50 years after the image's creation. However, for "photographic works" the copyright expires 70 years after the death of the author. The definition of a photographic work, as opposed to image is not precisely defined. In general a work is considered to have to display some form of originality or other special artistic properties. Simple snap-shots do not qualify as works. Interpretation is highly subjective. There is some debate as to whether all works by a professional photographer constitute works as opposed to simple images." Calliopejen1 (talk) 22:30, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Yup, that's right (Danish copyright law is somewhat unusual in this respect, and the grey area is going to be photographs that are non-obviously works of art) <b style="color:black;">Black Kite</b> 07:38, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

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Else Højgaard
OK, I expanded the Else Højgaard article. She should have no problems. — Cactus Writer |   needles  09:46, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, she does have at least one problem. Happened on July 11, 1979....but seriously, that's a nice bit of writing there CactusWriter!  I'm sure Blofeld is impressed :-)  Keeper  <span title="Representation in the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA)" class="IPA">&#448;  76  13:38, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I really like that picture! Beautiful. Nice job. (I hope we get to keep it.) — Cactus Writer |   needles  14:38, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Zanzibar Revolution
Thanks, I'll try to take a look at it when I get a chance (I am working on one other big article at the moment) and hopefully get some more reliable sources for it. It'll probably be around the first week of October. Thanks for bringing to my attention, it looks like an interesting article! - Dumelow (talk) 16:06, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Right, just finished my last big article so it's full steam ahead on the revolution now. The good news is that there are plenty of sources available online so it shouldn't take too long to get together enough to improve it.  I have already started gathering material in my sandbox.  Cheers, Dumelow (talk) 16:34, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

1964 Gabon
Yes, it did not pass. Sourcing (practically dealt with) and comprehensiveness (I have Matthews, Darlington, and Reed at my fingertips right now) were the main issues. I'm shooting for a Gabon featured topic once I've completed my research. It does got boring after a while and I have been making well below my usual 75 edits a day recently, but it's worth it. Still, I do want to get back to mass stub creating. Once I'm done FAing 1964, M'ba, Aubame, and Gondjout (hmm... maybe) are you still game for Bam? Your friend Eddy O. D. Wiki[citation needed] 16:22, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

ASA film
I'll try and expand it when I can. Just a heads-up, though -- I'm going to be disappearing for next couple of weeks, while I'm in the US doing some work. — Cactus Writer |   needles  21:08, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

And by the way:

Hi. I've nominated Else Højgaard, an article you worked on, for consideration to appear on the Main Page as part of Did you know. You can see the hook for the article at Template talk:Did you know, where you can improve it if you see fit. Thanks, — Cactus Writer |   needles  21:15, 27 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Yikes -- a lovely pea green -- how inviting. I don't think they were even trying with that one. On the other hand, pea soup is a national dish in Denmark. — Cactus Writer |   needles  21:31, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

I agree -- the Far til Fire series of films can be condensed into a single article with short synopses of each film. It would also allow that article to possibly someday build towards a feature size article. — Cactus Writer |   needles  21:52, 27 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Done -- I've switched it around so Father of Four is the article title and Far til fire is the redirect. — Cactus Writer |   needles  22:03, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
 * uh-oh -- wait, that didn't work quite right. — Cactus Writer |   needles  22:05, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay -- now its done. — Cactus Writer |   needles  22:07, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Lau Lauritzen
Hi there. I do think that "Højt paa en kvist" was directed by Lauritzen senior (see Lau Lauritzen). Lauritzen junior was only 19 when the film was made and his father Lau Lauritzen was also a director. IMDB says so too. De728631 (talk) 22:19, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, you're welcome. Just let me run your evil lab and we're even. De728631 (talk) 10:09, 28 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Good luck with the creation of those!  Lugnuts  (talk) 12:40, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Harold S. Gladwin
Hi, I've removed most of this page as it looks as if it was taken from Sara Halverson, Harold Gladwin, Minnesota State University EMuseum. I thought I should let you know in case it isn't copyvio. Dsp13 (talk) 22:34, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Burkina
Would you like me to e-mail you the document containing all the Burkina village info, seeing as you say the site is still broken? It's 238 pages/5.43MB. That's good news about Senegal, pity I haven't been around much to help more with Burkina, but I should be around now and then for the foreseeable future. EJF (talk) 17:37, 29 September 2008 (UTC)