User talk:Bloombergy

People to People
Sorry dear but you are mistaken and feel free to do any research necessary. The funny part is you kept putting the non proft thing when down in the program management part it was made clear that it isnt non profit.

How it stands is People to People Student programs is run by Ambassadors International FOR profit. It however was started by the non profit People to People international; who contracted it out to Ambassadors international. It is for profit as it stands (otherwise those kids would be flying free to Australia; they profit off of their programs.) You cant just take a website for its word. I can make a company and write whatever I want on my site about it; doesnt mean thats a subjective source. Several other sources show it IS for profit and any simple research will show this.

As for 2) So your telling me an article like ponzi scheme couldnt use the word scam? Obviously with this company whatever the truth of it may be (I've never used it personally) there is a huge number of complaints from legit sites and sources.  On more then one occasion it has been called a 'scam' and I dont find that non neutral.  I cant declare it A scam but it is part of the company's history and it is encyclopediac in that sense.

3) Yes you did remove a reference at the top. And then you put your non profit one with a very biased reference.  I can go find about 6 sites to cite that is for profit; if you can find a source other then the official site go for it.  I think full out pricing info is not relevant to the article; we're not selling trips we're telling what it is and what it does.

And as for the 'complaints' removal section refer to #2. Its a big part of the company's history and it deserves a mention in the top. Britney Spears has gone crazy; and its become a big part of her career and life. A small mention is made in the top of her article about this. Just because its negative doesnt mean it shouldnt be mentioned. I've been usuing wikipedia for years and it seems your new; please dont be so brazen as to accuse me of being biased just because I dont put references from the official site in the top paragraph.

--Thegingerone (talk) 09:29, 13 January 2008 (UTC)


 * 1) I do not have a history of edit wars. Usually Im fighting some vandal and win (as in this case, the Zachary Jaydon case, the Lou Pearlman case, etc).  There is no 'confusion'.  It is clearly stated in the article that People to People International is non profit, but People to People Ambassador programs are NOT non profit.  That is the fact of the matter.  You cant cite marketing texts as 'fact'.  Thats like saying McDonald's is good for you because they say so.  It could be worded as, "The company represents the program selection process as....*your statements* but in reality *truth of statements*'.  Feel free to put a third party editor on it; Im sure they would be in agreement. --Thegingerone (talk) 00:41, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

People to People International is indeed a 501(c)3 non-profit, not a for-profit entity as you have repeatedly stated. You can look this up on www.guidestar.org. I think your confusion comes from the relationship between the non-profit People to People entity and the for-profit coordinator of the programs. Incidentally, even non-profit institutions like Harvard operate student travel-abroad programs which require a tuition, so your argument that students would fly for free if it were a non-profit is not valid.

I have read the articles and anonymous posts that call the program a scam. I have also read numerous posts from students who have apparently traveled with the program and they say it is not a scam. The company also obviously says they are not a scam. Whether it is a scam or not is not for me to determine. I was merely pointing out that labeling it a scam based on a subset of the opinions is POV and does not belong in Wiki.

You have indeed been using Wikipedia for years but I was not being brazen by noting your biased tone in the edits. You have a history of engaging in edit wars and vandalism, as noted on your history page. I have also noticed that you have methodically undone or eviscerated the contributions of all of the other editors, including mine, in the People to People entry. Please stop engaging in this territorial practice and combative editing Bloombergy (talk) 18:13, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

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