User talk:Bluberry01

Prince of Egypt
Hi. Your edits to the Prince of Egypt are original research. The source you cite is Exodus. These are your own observations. If you can find a reliable source that makes these points, then please cite them.NEDOCHAN (talk) 07:57, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

Hi! Thanks for following up. I cited The Bible and provided the corresponding scriptural references in Exodus (the book of The Bible that the "The Prince of Egypt" is adapted from). Thus, The Bible is the only reference than can substantiate my points. Bluberry01 (talk) 14:26, 24 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Agreed. The Bible is the only reference that can substantiate your points. What that means is that those points may not be made on Wikipedia. This is original research. Please put this in the search bar to back up my point. WP:OR . Thanks. NEDOCHAN (talk) 14:29, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

Can you provide insight into why these points may not be made on Wikipedia? If there are differences between the movie and the text that it references, then it is a valid insight to have on its page. Or, how would one appropriately cite my points without using a reliable source? "Joseph: King of Dreams" has a similar section on its Wiki page.

Please clarify what you would like me to place in the search bar. What is "this" referencing? Bluberry01 (talk) 14:36, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

If "this" is referring to "WP:OR", then its Wikipedia page states: "The phrase "original research" (OR) is used on Wikipedia to refer to material—such as facts, allegations, and ideas—for which no reliable, published sources exist. This includes any analysis or synthesis of published material that serves to reach or imply a conclusion not stated by the sources".

Since I used Exodus, a book of The Bible by which "The Prince of Egypt" is adapted from, my points do not contain original research. All of the books in The Bible are reliable, published sources. Further, I cited specific Scripture that contradicted sections of the movie that were depicted in the film.

I also observed that my contribution was deleted from "The Prince of Egypt"'s Wikipedia page today. When will my additions be reinstated? Bluberry01 (talk) 14:55, 24 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Your edit contains facts, allegations and ideas that are not published in reliable sources. That's the point. If you can cite a source that points out the differences between TPOE and Exodus, then add the info. NEDOCHAN (talk) 07:35, 25 May 2021 (UTC)


 * You have done your own analysis of Exodus Vs TPOE. That is original research. You would need to cite a source that points out the differences between TPOE and Exodus, not just cite Exodus as that is WP: PRIMARY.NEDOCHAN (talk) 08:00, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for your response.

I did not simply cite Exodus; I provide specific Scriptural references (the chapter and verses found in Exodus) that indicated the differences between TPOE and the passage in Exodus that the movie depicts. (I'm curious, though, if on your end, my annotated links did not indicate each scriptural reference and/or when accessed, did not take you to the corresponding Scripture within The Bible.)

Further, Since TPOE is a film that adapts Exodus 1 through Exodus 14, The Bible is the only - but yet, still reliable - source by which I can use to highlight these differences. Nevertheless, I will place the scriptural references within the body of my contribution, versus as annotations, when I resubmit it. I observe that "Joseph: King of Dreams" followed the same format. Bluberry01 (talk) 08:37, 25 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Please don't resubmit it. We are not discussing any article other than TPOE. The Bible is not a third party reliable source. I hate to repeat myself but any point or observation has to be written elsewhere and published in a reliable source. NEDOCHAN (talk) 08:46, 25 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Why don't you try to find an article that points out the differences between TPOE and Exodus? Then cite that article. I'm giving you a hint...NEDOCHAN (talk) 08:48, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

I am unsure of how you gathered that I stated (or implied) that The Bible is a third party reliable source from what I wrote. But, rest assured, The Bible was written, published, and it was a reliable source prior to TPOE being released as a feature-length film. (The Bible is still a reliable source today, too!)

I do appreciate your willingness to engage with me on this topic. Though, it appears that we have a difference of opinion.

Take care! Bluberry01 (talk) 08:56, 25 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Please listen to what I am saying. The Bible is a primary source. The points you are making need to have been published in a third party source. I am not going to do the work for you. Find a reliable source that points out the differences between TPOE and Exodus. Then cite that source. This is not my opinion, it's how Wikipedia works. Feel free to ask another/admin. NEDOCHAN (talk) 09:02, 25 May 2021 (UTC)


 * That was a bad move from a new editor. You totally ignored my attempt to help. You cannot make observations based on your own interpretation of a primary source. This is original research. If you'd like to create referenced content, find some content that makes the points and reference THAT CONTENT NOT THE BIBLE. If you make the edit again, you risk being banned.NEDOCHAN (talk) 16:10, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello! Thank you for your insight. At this point, our differences of opinion will be reconciled using the avenues available to editors here on Wikipedia. I believe you are already familiar with them. I look forward to having a just investigation of how to appropriately contribute, as well as the opportunity to provide critical insight to a current page - much like any other editor receives. Thank you! Bluberry01 (talk) 16:15, 25 May 2021 (UTC)


 * I would advise strongly against that. It is utterly ridiculous that you expect people to do your work for you but, as you're new, read this: https://www.theguardian.com/film/2009/dec/17/prince-of-egypt-reel-history NEDOCHAN (talk) 16:16, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

It is interesting that you provided a link to a third-party source - or perhaps, one that could be original research itself. Yet, it appears that you have concerns with referencing the primary source, by which the movie is based upon. Bluberry01 (talk) 16:59, 25 May 2021 (UTC)


 * I can't make it any clearer. By quoting the Guardian's observations, you are not conducting original research. That is literally the whole point. I can't explain it to you any more clearly. If you add the content again, I will go to ANI. NEDOCHAN (talk) 17:05, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

Warning
Welcome to Wikipedia. We appreciate your contributions, but in one of your recent edits, it appears that you have added original research, which is against Wikipedia's policies. Original research refers to material—such as facts, allegations, ideas, and personal experiences—for which no reliable, published sources exist; it also encompasses combining published sources in a way to imply something that none of them explicitly say. Please be prepared to cite a reliable source for all of your contributions. You can have a look at the tutorial on citing sources. Thank you.NEDOCHAN (talk) 16:29, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

I have not added any original research since I cited a reliable source (The Bible) - both as annotations then, embedded the citations in the body of text - for each claim that I presented in my contribution. The Prince of Egypt (TPOE) - the Wikipedia page in question - is a film adaptation of the Book of Exodus, a passage of Scripture in The Bible. Thus, I indicated the corresponding Scripture to substantiate every claim of the differences between the movie and its corresponding passages in Exodus that it depicted. This format followed a section in a similar Wikipedia page, "Joseph: King of Dreams" (which is a prequel to TPOE); however, it appears that an administrator deleted this section on 05/25/21, after this section had been added on 12/2019, and unmodified since that date. At this point, I am unsure if the administrator actually regards The Bible as a reliable source, despite the person saying that it did on 05/25/21. Bluberry01 (talk) 16:45, 25 May 2021 (UTC)


 * I am not an administrator, to be clear. I would suggest taking a step back and reading my points again. I would advise against opening ANI as a new editor. I am reluctant to do so myself, and I won't, as you are clearly editing in good faith. That said, refusal to engage with my points, wilful or otherwise, might make that the only option.NEDOCHAN (talk) 16:56, 25 May 2021 (UTC)


 * The Bible is not a reliable, 3rd party source. Ask any editor. I have posted an article from the Guardian above. You could just say thanks :)NEDOCHAN (talk) 16:58, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

I appreciate you clarifying your position here at Wikipedia. It's good to know that we possess similarities in our ability to contribute here. But, it also communicates that an outside authority may be necessary to reconcile our differences of opinion. Bluberry01 (talk) 17:04, 25 May 2021 (UTC)