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 * Hi BlueWind13. I saw that you added some comments to the above-mentioned discussion. Generally, it's best not insert your comments, etc. into the posts of other, but respond directly beneath as explained in H:TALK. Each post is marked with a signature and time stamp, and things can get confusing when editors insert comment into the posts of another. For example your addition of Change them to public domain, if they're old enough to my post makes it seem as if that is something I wrote, which is not the case at all. So, I have moved your comments beneath mine just to make things easier to understand per WP:TPG and WP:TPG. I also removed the redundant signature and added a time stamp since the comments are appear to have been made at the same time as part of the same post. I also change the markup in my OP from bullets to numbers, and added the numbers "1", "2" and "3" to your post to make things easier to follow, but other than that I didn't change any of the wording of your posts. -- Marchjuly (talk) 23:55, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

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Blue Wind Press
Hi BlueWind13. I am wondering if the similarity between your username and the "Blue Wind Press" mentioned File:David Gitin Author Photo Rio 1980.jpg (an image you uploaded) is just a coincidence or if you are somehow connected to the company. If the latter is the case and you've been creating/editing articles on behalf of the company or its clients, then you should be aware that Wikipedia considers you to have a WP:COI when it comes to such subjects. Although COI editing is not expressly prohibited, it is something is highly discouraged and somewhat restricted because of the potential for abuse. Even an WP:APPARENTCOI can lead to misunderstandings with other editors, so it might be a good idea (if you have a COI) to take a look at WP:PSCOI and familiarize yourself with the kinds of edits generally considered OK for COI editors. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:49, 14 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Yes, I am connected to the publishing company, Blue Wind Press. But we are a dormant press that no longer publishes books, although a few are still available online. We do no active promotion whatsoever. This is not a paid position, and I'm not trying to promote the author for commercial purposes. I have not tried to make a page for Blue Wind Press, although someone probably should, as it was an important small press of historical interest in the 70's. Many of our authors already have articles (not created by me) - William S Burroughs, Lorenzo Thomas (poet), Ted Berrigan, Anselm Hollo. I have over 40 years of experience in the literary world, and have personally known dozens of important writers and publishers. In this particular case - David Gitin died over a year ago and I felt it was important for an article about him to be posted. My hope is just to get it started so that others can add to it freely. Just now doing research to respond to the deletion notice I found lots of fascinating information about his life in the 50's in Greenwich Village and the 60's in Haight-Ashbury. This is an historical period which is important to get documented now, before everyone who was a witness dies.
 * BlueWind13 (talk)
 * Hi again BlueWind13. Thanks for the clarification. As I posted above, even an apparent COI can cause misunderstandings, so just link to this discussion if it's brought up again. As for the David Gitin photo, it's probably acceptable per No. 10 of WP:NFCI since he died last year (I would add that info to the article's first sentence per WP:BEGIN btw), so I'll remove that tag I added. Sorry, I missed that info in the infobox. You should add a non-free use rationale for that use which explains that Gitin is dead and an appropriate copyright license. If you want help doing this, feel free to ask at WP:MCQ. FWIW, the source doesn't have to be online, but the photo has to have been published and the more info you can provide about the copyright of the photo the better. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:30, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

David Gitin
Hi BlueWind13. As you've probably seen, I've been trying to make little improvements to David Gitin to bring it more inline with Wikipedia's MOS. Most of what I've done, however, has just been WP:GNOME type of stuff, which unfortunately not is not probably going to help save it from deletion. No matter how much we to clean up the article's formatting, etc., Wikipedia notability cannot be established through such editing per WP:ARTN. What is really needed us a couple of independent reliable sources showing that Gitin has received the significant coverage needed for a stand-alone Wikipedia article. Thirst sources don't necessarily be online, but they have to be WP:PUBLISHED. Sometimes it can be tricky to find such sources for individuals like Gitin simply because they aren't well covered by mainstream media, but all that's needed is to show they WP:NEXIST. The members of WP:POETRY might be able to help with this. Just post something at WT:POETRY and see what happens.

I know it probably seems that adding more info/details helps establish notability, but that can be counter productive in cases like this and addition through substraction actually works better. The more unsourced information in the article, the more likely editors participating in the AfD discussion are going to recommend deletion. So, it might be a good idea to strip the article of any extraneous info (stuff can always be re-added later when sources are found) and only leave stuff in that can be properly sourced. I know this can be a hard pill to swallow when you've put so much time into something, but it might help the article survive the AfD. You can get some ideas about what is expected from articles like this from the WP:POETRY page.

Finally, one last option to consider is WP:USERFY. Basically, you request that the article be returned to your userspace as draft. This will allow you to continue working on it and to continue search for better sources. Deleted articles can be re-created, but this is only allowed when the concerns which led to the article's deletion no longer exist to everyone's satisfaction. If these concerns aren't resolved the article will be simply be nominated for deletion again. If you userfy, you can submit the article for review via WP:AFC and the reviewers will make suggestion on what still needs to be done, if anything, to help move from draft to article. Creating articles is a really hard thing to do due all of WIkipedua's policies and guidelines, so AFC can often help. -- Marchjuly (talk) 10:04, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice
I posted on WT:POETRY asking for help. This all seems nuts to me, because I know he should be included in Wikipedia. I glanced through and 80% of our authors from Blue Wind Press have pages. As well as dozens of other poets I know well. Or knew. But he didn't have much published about him in the mainstream - mostly in small presses and nowadays on blogs. Would a quote from an interview with Michael McClure, on Huffington Post calling him a genius help? Until I read your note here I was going to add it.

I posted a link to the page on the Blue Wind Press Facebook page and it has gotten significant views.

One last thing - I was going to submit the article for review, rather than directly posting it, but I couldn't find the button to click! All I found was move to article... I appreciate your help. I'm not a programmer, and I have a regular job that takes up most of my time. I was only making a few pages recently as a community service. But this experience is convincing me it may be a hopeless endeavor.

BlueWind13 (talk)
 * Try not to get too discouraged and try to understand that this is all part of the Wikipedia process. Creating articles is hard for even experienced editors to do, and not many new editors are successful on their first, second, third, fourth, etc. try. The reason this is so is not to discourage new editors from participating in the project, but because there are over 5,000,000 articles currently on Wikipedia and quite a number of these are not really up to par. Many were added when the encyclopadia was just starting out and its notability guidelines were quite different than they were now; it just takes time to find them all and assess them. Many more are being added each and every day by people who really believe they what they're writing about deserves an article. So, the Wikipedia community developed these guidelines to help provide guidance regarding what to leave in and what to leave out and try and manage the situation better. This means that it may make it hard for articles to be written about subjects with questionable/borderline notability (not saying that's the case here).


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 * AfD discussions can sometimes seem a little harsh simply because the comments there are meant to help the Wikipedia community determine whether the subject of an article is Wikipedia notable enough for an article, which naturally can lead to some people getting their feelings hurt. Anyone can participate in an AfD discussion, but it helps to be familiar with how they work to avoid friction with others as explained in WP:ATA. It's really important to try and assume good faith in these discussions and focus on showing how relevant policies or guidelines apply; Its best to avoid commenting on others unless it is relevant to do so. You mentioned at WT:POETRY you posted about this on Facebook. That's fine, but make sure you're not advocating meat puppetry, etc. because AfDs are not really a numerical WP:!VOTE where the side with more autiomatically wins. Closing editors are encouraged to take much more into consideration when assessing discussions so sometimes it's necessary for a discussion to be relisted before reaching an outcome. Even if the result is delete, there may be cause for a deletion review.


 * There are many ways to contribute to Wikipedia besides creating articles. There are various WikiProjects where editors with similar interests can come together to work on improving a certain genre of articles. There's nothing wrong focusing on a single genre per se (WP:SPA), but you can also always just click on random article links and just fix what needs fixing (like they do at WP:GUILD) or look at the edits made by others. That can be a good way to become more familiar what the jargon used by more experienced editors and see what types of edits tend to be deemed acceptable and what are not. All of what I posted here is meant to be general information just for reference so hopefully it does not come across as accusatory or condescending. Good luck and happy editing. -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:12, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

BlueWind13, let me help you rehabilitate this article. I gave it a read while closing the AfD and the immediate problem that springs forward is the lack of in-line citations. If you can collect some good reliable sources (as you've already started to do at the AfD discussion) and leave them on Talk:David Gitin, I'll help you work them into the article. Cheers,  A  Train ''talk 09:53, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for your help! Much appreciated. I'm at a bit of standstill with that article - but I've gathered some of what I wrote on the AfD discussion and added it to the Talk page. The discussion from Ron Silliman is really the most useful and it would be great to find a way to use it. BlueWind13 (talk)
 * Hi BlueWind13. In your post above, you've mistakenly linked to a disambiguation page called "A Train" (click the blue link and you'll see what I mean). The markup Name is used to link to articles in the article namespace, so what you basically did was link to an article (in this case a list of articles) called "A Train". When you want to ping/notify/mention another editor in a post, you should use do as explained in WP:PING. There are number of different ways to do this, so just pick the one that suits your purposes best. Also, while "pinging" might seen like a courtesy, sometimes it's not needed when responding to posts on your user talk. An editor posting on your user talk page will likely add the page to their watchlist, so they will see something new has been posted when they check their list.
 * Finally, there seems to be something amiss with the way you're signing your posts. For some reason, no time stamp is being added to your signatures. Are you using four tildes when you sign your posts? If you are, then perhaps you accidentally changed your preferences in a way that is affecting your signature. Click "Preferences" at the top of your browser window (it's between "Sandbox" and "Beta") and look for the "Signature" section in the "User profile" tab. If the box "Treat the above as wiki markup" has been checked, uncheck it and save. If this was the issue, then you should see a time stamp after your name each time you sign your posts. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:38, 8 September 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the tips. I find myself too impatient to learn all the rules - but I should slow down and pay more attention. I think I'm signing with too few ~'s - I'll try four next time. (The box wasn't checked.) BlueWind13 (talk) 05:52, 8 September 2016 (UTC)

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