User talk:Bluegoblin7/Archive 1

National Tramway Museum
The information you are adding to this article is valuable, but the wholesale deletion of other sections is unneccessary and detracts from the article. I'll give you the time you have requested to sort this out but other people with an interest in this article may be less forgiving. Martin Cordon 19:56, 11 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I have tabulated your information and reinserted the original fleet description as an introduction. If there are factual errors in this introduction please correct them. Please check that I have transcribed your information correctly. It is possible to add extra columns for date of manufacture, manufacturer etc if you wish. If you view the table whilst editing, it is the top line which describes the general table format, the number of columns, background colour, style of border can be changed here. In the left hand column of this page and every other Wikipedia page there is a toolbox. One tool is entitled "Upload File". This utility allows you to upload images. Make sure that images you upload are either your own copyright or so old that the copyright has expired. Some other images, for example the output of NASA are public domain and can be safely used. Martin Cordon 20:39, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
 * This link gives guidelines on how to make tables. [Table Help] Martin Cordon 21:38, 11 July 2007 (UTC)


 * There was no inconvenience, your additions to this article have improved the article and for that I thank you. New editors are always welcome at Wikipedia especially if they edit articles in my area of interest. My apologies for that lapse into selfishness. Martin Cordon 10:31, 12 July 2007 (UTC)


 * There are standard colours, pink, blue, red etc but if you want a more subtle shade you need the hexadecimal code. For example FF0080 is a pink. This corresponds to an RGB decimal code of R=255 (FF) G=0 (00) and B=128 (80) Martin Cordon 12:42, 12 July 2007 (UTC)


 * The look of your table would be improved, I believe by placing an innoccuous symbol, such as a hyphen in empty cells, as a temporary measure until the information is available. My apologies for the incorrect bulleting of this discussion, I have corrected my error. One other thing, feel free to edit pages on Kimberley or any other article that catches your eye.Martin Cordon 20:49, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

I can see that you are giving the National Tramway Museum page a complete overhaul. Good for you, but I will warn you, as politely as I can, that advertising is not allowed on Wikipedia, hence prices should not be included. Also you need to attempt to maintain a neutral point of view. Just tell it how it is without enthusing. At some point you will also need to add references for the information added. Martin Cordon 17:53, 13 July 2007 (UTC)


 * You can add an external link to your own webpage in order to guide people towards more information, including pricing. The person who criticised the Day at Crich Tramway Village section is pointing out another requirement of Wikipedia, that is that the content should be consistent with that which you would expect from an encycopaedia. References should be from independent sources if possible. If a fleetbook exists this would be a suitable reference for the tabulated data. If you have any book which describes the different methods of providing current then that would be a suitable reference for that section, etc. I personally, like your description of a Day at Crich Tramway Village. If it gets edited as a result of its format it won't be by me. Martin Cordon 17:21, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

A Day at Crich Tramway Village
A day at the Tramway Museum starts at the ticket office where on payment of the entrance fee one is issued with an Old Penny (1d) or Half an Old Penny (½d). The Tramway is reached by walking down the steep hill beyond the ticket office.

On reaching the tramway the Bowes-Lyon Bridge is visible to the left and the Tramway to Glory Mine is on the Right.

It is suggested that waiting at the Tram stop on the right, without crossing over the tracks, and taking the next tram to Stephenson Place is a good start to the day.

On stepping aboard, the conductor in period uniform, will ask you for your old penny, and in return the visitor is presented with two replica tickets - one for the journey, and one to guarantee all day travel.

With a clang of the bell, and a shout of "Hold Tight Please" the tram will pull off, passing under the bridge. On the right the large depots can be seen, and ahead is the period street.

On alighting the tram next to Barnett's Sweet Shop, and the Public Conveniences the village, depots, workshop galleries, gift shop, the Red Lion Pub, and the Derby Assembly Rooms can be visited.

In about 10-15 minutes, the next tram will be ready to depart from Crich Town End Terminus. On busy days, an early arrival is suggested to avoid waiting for the following tram if the tram at the terminus is full. If, however, this does happen, the museum's very own T.A.R.D.I.S can be visited.

Just before boarding the tram, the conductor can be asked to leave seating space allowing the visitor to watch the trolley pole or bow collector being turned. The visitor can also ask the driver for permission to sit or stand in the cab this is sometimes allowed after reaching the intermediate station of Wakebridge.

With another clang of the bell and another "Hold Tight please!", the tram sets off for Glory Mine. The conductor will come through to issue tickets - presenting the all-day ticket or old penny will suffice. The tram will slow at the Car Park tram stop if someone wishes to board, otherwise it will continue on.

At the start of the single track section, the tram may wait for a while for the tram ahead to clear it and present the driver with the single-line token - if the visitor is in the cab, the driver may allow the visitor tocollect the token from the token-pole.

On reaching Wakebridge, the tram will slow and the token will be placed on a new pole. The visitor can alight here, but travelling on to Glory Mine is the recommended route.

With the usual clang and shout, the tram will continue on to Glory Mine, the terminus. Here, the visitors will be asked to turn their seats around, done simply by sliding the seat back to the other side. The visitor may even be asked to turn the bow collector/trolley pole!

The tram now returns to Wakebridge, where alighting is recommended. There are displays and sculptures to see here and the Woodland Walk back to the main terminus.

On returning to Stephenson Place, the main village can again be explored or food and drink can be obtained inn either Rita's Tearooms or The Red Lion Pub.


 * The above, is an attempt to re-write your Day at Crich Tramway Village section in Wikipedia language. Feel free to either use it or re-write it yourself in a similar tone. Martin Cordon 20:41, 16 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I have added a website citation to your section on current collection. Use the same format for your website, obviously substitute the appropriate URL, give it a different title and give the reference a different name. A line drawing is acceptable, make it as neat as possible, but just because another editor requests it you are not obliged to respond. Book citations follow the same pattern as web citations; on my user page there is a section entitled useful references; use one of these as a pattern for your book citation. Martin Cordon 10:20, 17 July 2007 (UTC)


 * On my user page in the useful pages section is a link entitled icons for railway descriptions. This is the source of railway icons. Also on my user page in the Sandbox section is the page "Under Construction 2" which contains a sample of how these icons are put together. Don't use the blue canal icons you will cause confusion, use the red icons on the earlier mentioned page. Martin Cordon 16:48, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Routemaps
A sample for you to play with. Bright red is in use, washed out red is disused. Martin Cordon 22:29, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Trams In General
You are allowed to talk about anything on User's discussion pages, you can even advertise if you wish. Obviously the owner of the user page is entitled to delete anything he considers abusive. I will check out your webpage and I am interested in your offer but I will give it some thought before responding. Martin Cordon 23:47, 18 July 2007 (UTC)