User talk:Bluegoblin7/Archive 2

Flexity Swift diagram
Sure you can use it! Good luck with your website and thank you for joining WikiProject London Transport. Unisouth 18:35, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes you can use the other diagrams to. If you would like me to make any specific diagram for you, I could. Unisouth 18:52, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes I can do trains, trams and buses! Unisouth 05:42, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Trams idea
It looks like quite a good idea. Maybbe you would want to inform people on other projects such as WP:LT, WP:RAIL, WP:TIS and any other projects that might be applicable, and direct them to the proposal. It may also be a good idea if you start a trams user page. It should gather support, hopefully, and then you can move it into the main WP area. Simply south 20:48, 13 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Sorry, i suppose i rushed that a bit. I was just saying that your idea for UK trams as a WikiProject looked good so i have shown i am at least interested. Above are other similar projects where people may be interested. Simply south 13:05, 15 August 2007 (UTC)


 * And probably WikiProject Rapid transit


 * Sure, just add my name and also all the people from the proposals page. Simply south 16:48, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

It would be good if the project had a banner and some form of standard layout. The banner is key to informing people of the project and performs other roles. Simply south 17:00, 18 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes, thats them e.g. WPTIS or WPSurrey. Simply south 17:05, 18 August 2007 (UTC)


 * OK, i will help with basic parts of the project. First with thte banner. Simply south 17:45, 18 August 2007 (UTC)


 * It might also be good to inform people that the project has now gone live. Simply south 17:49, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

And here is a useful link which is woth reading, as well as associated pages WikiProject Council/Guide. Simply south 18:08, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

I would be happy to help...
I will help, but I can't create an assessment template for the project until the project has an official page. Once the project does, tell me and I'll begin to work on it. I can create the userbox now, at User:Bluegoblin7/UK_Tram_box, if you wish. If you have any preference on color or picture please tell me. Psych less  18:23, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Your userbox has been created :). You might consider choosing a different image since I can barely make out what the picture is. And yes, it is very easy to change the colors. If you want a different color, a different shade or blue, et cetera, just let me know. Svg format images work great for userboxes. If you're ready for me to start on the talk page banner or the portal let me know. You might want to browse around some featured portals to see what kind of design you would like, I will be doing that as well. Here's a convenient link to the userbox. Regards, Psych less  02:32, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I will start work on the project banner template today, but it's going to take me a little while to get the entire assessment system set up. The portal is going to have to wait until you have a clear idea of which articles and categories are under your scope, which ones have high quality or importance, etc. I'll help you with your user page once the project gets going. But are you sure you want the border darker? I think it would look darker just to increase the thickness of the border. I guess I could do your signature, just tell me what font/colors to use and what you want it to look like. Psych less  18:53, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Yep, it definitely needs a better image. Anyways, here's the code for your signature:

 Bluegoblin 7

It will look like this: Bluegoblin  7. If you want it to stand out a bit more you could use bold letters:  Bluegoblin  7  . Now I'll actually start to work on the assessment template... Regards, Psych less  16:53, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I didn't realize that someone had already added a parameter to TrainsWikiProject for this project. There is nothing wrong with using one banner instead of two and I wouldn't have created the banner had I known this. I'm not going to set up the assessment system quite yet, since there seem to be some issues that need resolving. Also, please remove the fake wikibreak notice. You may be annoyed by the other editors, but I can clearly see that they have the best intentions of the project in mind. Lying doesn't help anyone, and it makes you appear untrustworthy. Wikipedia works best when editors do not have to worry about whether their fellow editors are lying or not. Psych less  18:26, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * A bit harsh to use the word "lying". I wish you would rethink that.  (I must take my own wikibreak notice down if I come here much more today!).  We all run into difficult times, so let's do the usual here Fiddle Faddle 18:34, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * no no, i dont mind. it was what i was doing. and i suppose it was my own fault. i should have just gone along with it. anyway, im back now. so no harm done, and also, is anyone ever going to agree with me if i lie?  Bluegoblin  7   18:37, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

An extra resource for you
Where WP does not allow things because it is an encyclopaedia, at Train Spotting World we include trams and tramways, and allow much less rigorously policed articles, and inckude opinion, spotting reports, etc. If this is a useful extra resource for your Trams WikiProject we'll be very happy to see you and your members there. We've already helped WikiProject Thomas out, for example. Fiddle Faddle 09:00, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Thankyou for this. I will probably put some information on there, however i do have my own collection of sites, the Transport Centre, which so far includes trams, trains, buses and London Transport. (www.transportcentre.co.uk). This site is still under construction though. Thanks again for the offer, and are you going to join the project? Bluegoblin7 09:10, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I have no specialist knowledge of Trams I fear, just a general interest in railways in the widest sense. I would be a spectator, not a contributor.  Fiddle Faddle 09:18, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok don't worry - but perhaps you could help add templates etc to pages, both the ones on the templates page, and then the (still to be made) ones for stock, systems, stops etc. Bluegoblin7 09:20, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm happy to have a go, but my skills are those of the "copy and have a crack at it" variety, too. For a proper, professional template you need a good bloke who can do it easily rather than a have a go hero.  The first time I wanted to create a template I asked for help.  I forget how, but there is a formal way of asking for templates to be created by template experts.  You may find a clue somewhere in my talk page archives.  Fiddle Faddle 09:24, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks very much! I don't mind if it's just helping to tag pages, or actually full-on making a template - whatever is easier for you! Bluegoblin7 09:20, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Your "leave a message" banner
This goes to an entirely different user's talk page, I fear. Unless you and they are the same person, of course. Fiddle Faddle 09:00, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Ah yes! Woops! I originally 'borrowed' the banner from that User, as my skills at making things, are, quite frankly, rubbish. Everything else that you see is either copied and then edited, or made by someone else. I ahve now, i think, changed this! Sorry! Bluegoblin7 09:13, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
 * All the best things are copied. No worries.  Just wanted to make sure they knew why I'd left a weird message there, and you knew too.  Fiddle Faddle 09:19, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok. I, too, have left an apology there aswell, to explain why! Bluegoblin7 09:21, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Leaving
It is a shame you have decided to possibly leave. It would have been nice to work with you. You were off to a good start and just needed to keep working at it. I hope you return. Simply south 17:55, 20 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree. We all run into wikipolitics at some point.  Would that it were not so, but it is.  We just need to realise that not everyone shares our views, and to allow that other people may sometimes be right and we might be wrong, or, and this is more of a challenge, that we may be right, but their opinion carries the day.
 * Leaving is everyon'es right, of course it is, but it is much more fun not to go. Fiddle Faddle 18:03, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I've left you a reply on my own talk page. Fiddle Faddle 18:20, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Welcome back! Simply south 20:18, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

An olive branch...?
I think we may have started off on the wrong foot, so to speak...

I hope that my 'advice' was not the reason for your departure from WP, although I suspect it may have been a contributory factor. It is nigh on impossible to convey emotion accurately through a text-only page, so you can't tell that I am utterly not-angry at present, for example!

If any of my comments have been personally hurtful to you, then I apologise. They were made with the intention of helping you and the project, and if negative, then I believe justifiably so. (For example, the business about the stub template: I went through this earlier this year with the new UK Waterways project, so I knew exactly what I was talking about, and what I expected has indeed happened. I have since left comments in support of the stub template on the appropriate discussion pages.)

You mentioned me 'stalking' you. Obviously that is not true. I have the various project pages on my watchlist and so can follow each discussion. I checked your contributions page (which is open to anyone to view) to try to gauge what level of experience you had with WP, so I knew where you were coming from. For example, I would have expected you to know much more about expected procedures if you had been editing here for years rather than months. However, I have seen that you have been contributing for less time and to a narrower range of articles than I, and hence I can tailor my level of 'advice' to suit.

Finally, a friendly word of advice. You are obviously very passionate about the subject, and this comes across in your talk page messages. However, sometimes this passion may lead you to writing things which are, perhaps, less friendly towards others than you intend. I don't really know what to suggest, except perhaps waiting a while to reflect before responding (I mulled-over what I wanted to write here for 2-3 hours!). I'm no expert, but I have a gut-feeling that this might reduce the level of apparent conflict/negativity that you are experiencing with the project.

It's good you've decided to return: a project needs at least one really committed individual to drive it forward. Hopefully you'll soon find the other committed individuals who can assist with the collaboration that you need.

EdJogg 13:21, 21 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Maybe I did over-react a bit to what you said: It is simply that I am passionate about trams, and get a bit over-protective when people do or say things I don't like.
 * Yes, you did contribute a little bit, but it was many people all together. I do in fact think that your suggestion about the stubs is a very good one, but I am still going to list suitable stub types.
 * I also hope that I have not put you off helping WP:UK Trams, and that you continue to help the project. Can you help with anything on the to-do list, for example?
 * I have copied this to your talk page.
 *  Bluegoblin  7   09:22, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Nonsense of List of Tram Systems
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Help?
Hello. Do you need any help? Please note that the helpme template is meant to go on your talk page, instead of your userpage. Cheers! <font color="#B38F00">henrik •<font color="#AFA29F">talk  19:24, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Helpme tag
Hi there - you had the helpme tag on your userpage but didn't have a question that I could identify, so I've removed the tag. Feel free to leave a message on my talk page if you do have a question or an issue you would like help with, or perhaps leave a message at the Help desk. Giles Bennett (Talk, Contribs) 19:25, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Helpme
Yes, I was wondering if anyone could help me with infoboxes, diagrams, templates and portals for WP:UK Trams.  Bluegoblin  7   19:27, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
 * A pretty broad question - could you be more specific about what it is you have at the moment, and what you're looking to acheive? Giles Bennett (Talk, Contribs) 19:30, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
 * So far, there is a very skeleton portal, which I wish to pad out a bit, and also create templates to say former selected article/picture etc. I also wish to incorporate route diagrams into info boxes, but i dn't no how to make info boxes, or put route diagrams in them, but I can make route diagrams.  Bluegoblin  7   19:32, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
 * What's worked for me is a "try it and see" approach, by taking something that looks similar to what you want to end up with, then changing it to make it look the way you want. For example, I've created Template:Ezio for my favourite band (plug), but used another band's template box as a starting point.
 * Also, make full use of your sandbox - User:Gilesbennett/Sandbox as an example - to try things out and make sure they're right before migrating them over to the namespace.
 * Remember - be bold! Giles Bennett (Talk, Contribs) 19:36, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I've used my sandbox quite a bit, as can be seen on my user page. The problem is, though, is that I can't find an infobox with a route-map inside it. Thanks,  Bluegoblin  7   19:38, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry, a bit beyond me. Leave the helpme tag in place and someone wiser than I will doubtless be along in a bit! Giles Bennett (Talk, Contribs) 19:48, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
 * You may accuse me of being negative again, but it may not be possible to achieve what you are asking. The route maps, which are a relatively recent development, comprise a series of templates, each forming a row of a table. To put this inside an infobox requires a table to be 'nested' inside another table, and I don't know that the mediawiki software can handle that. Besides, the route-maps are often wider than an average infobox: allowing the map to exist separately means it can expand as required to display the route in the best possible manner. I suggest you try copying an infobox which has the features you like, modifying it, and then applying it to real pages. This will show you whether it will 'work' or not. I would also concentrate on one at a time, since it is difficult to debug multiple templates effectively at the same time.
 * EdJogg 23:03, 22 August 2007 (UTC)


 * As long as you do not mix HTML and pipe syntax  in the same table, then mediawiki is able to interpret nested tables ok (0.9 probability).  Mix he syntax and there is a probability of weird and wonderful errors.  This is a known feature of mediawiki.  Fiddle Faddle 21:31, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Re:Your last comment
I'll be setting up the system sometime in the next few days. Unfortunately I'm too busy with other things to do it now. <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="ForestGreen">Psych <font color="DarkGreen">less  23:23, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Helpme
helpme

Hello, I noticed you had a helpme tag up but I couldn't find a question. If you still need help, you can put the tag back up like this:, or leave me a message on my talk page. Happy editing! <em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:blue">Hers <em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:gold">fold  (t/a/c) 01:41, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Adoption
Hello, I noticed that you were looking for someone to adopt you and I would be willing to adopt you. I have over 10k edits and am experienced throughout Wikipedia. Leave me a message if you're interested. Thanks! --Hdt83 <font color="blue" face="Arial">Chat 07:38, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism
If you think your List of UK tram systems is really so important, why did you vandalise it here and here? -- RHaworth 20:41, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Transport
I have asked on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject UK Trams whether Wikiproject UK Trams could be a child project of WIkiproject Transport. You're input would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tbo 157 (talk • contribs) 11:53, August 24, 2007 (UTC)

Links to images
Hi. Just a quick note that when you want links to images without making the actual immage appear, you need to insert a colon before the text. For example, Leeds 399 at Crich Tramway Museum would produce Leeds 399 at Crich Tramway Museum. Thanks <font COLOR="blue">Tbo 157 <font COLOR="red">talk  12:04, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Re: Adoption
Hello, welcome to the adoption program! I have adopted you. Whether you want to learn about wiki markup, find something to do, or just talk to somebody, you can always talk to me - just leave a message on my talk page. Good luck and happy editing! --Hdt83 <font color="blue" face="Arial">Chat 23:53, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Shortcut
See WT:Rail for new suggestiion. Simply south 10:39, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

What was simple is not
I tried! I implemented todo.

But, if you look at the project, it seems I failed. Now, instead of reverting this lot, I have asked on my own talk page for a friendly giant to come and help. I fear I do not understand how WP links between portals, wikiprojects and reality.

Once someone who knows what they are doing can help it will look beautiful and be useful to all project members. Right now it is a mess.

I suggest we wait it out for a while and see what help arrives. Fiddle Faddle 16:53, 31 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Ok, thanks a lot anyway. What might have confused you a bit is, to save time, I created one page, the page you edited on, and then used to put it on the portal and the project page. Maybe I should have made that clearer? anyway - a bit of expertise is what we need ey? they might bring even more to the project!   Bluegoblin  7   16:58, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
 * copied to your talk page


 * A passing expert has solved it. Now you have, I hope, a good "To Do" list.  It's a small contribution and it seems I failed to make it 100%, but a contribution is it! Fiddle Faddle 17:07, 31 August 2007 (UTC)