User talk:Blythwood/Archives/2022/January

Monmouth Coffee Company
Hi, thank you for reviewing the new article. I was expecting to wait three months for a review and am very happy that you have saved me the wait. TSventon (talk) 08:57, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

DYK for Caslon Type Foundry
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:02, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:Golden Cockerel Press typeface.jpg
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Listed pubs and non-diffusing categories
Hi Blythwood. Thank you for categorising pubs as being listed, that is a useful task. I note that you are removing some cats when adding the listed cats, as here:. You removed and , and changed to.

Because the Grade 11* pub listing is an auxiliary piece of information to that of the article being about a pub (or being about a listed building), it is considered a non-diffusing category, and so belongs in a separate/additional branch - a duplicate cat, per WP:DUPCAT. As such, the main defining cat (or cats) are left in place. So what we have is two branches - the Pubs in Wiltshire cat belongs in the Pubs in England branch; while the Listed pubs in Wiltshire cat belongs in the Listed pubs in England cat. As such you are correct in removing, as  belongs in the Listed pubs in England branch, and is a subcat of that parent, though you are not correct in removing  as that belongs in a different branch.

In addition, when changing to , you are removing a separate branch, as the Listed buildings in Wiltshire cat would belong to the Listed buildings in England branch. So there are three branches here which run alongside each other and are non-diffusing: the pubs branch, the listed buildings branch, and the listed pubs branch which runs alongside the other two, but does not replace them.

In general, if in doubt leave a cat in place rather than remove it, as more trouble is caused by removing a cat than leaving one in place. By removing a valid cat, the article becomes less visible (it is no longer there in the appropriate descending branch of the tree, and needs to be looked for sideways). Leaving a duplicate cat in place rarely causes a problem for readers, and if a cat is genuinely unnecessary, someone or somebot will remove it at some point. I hope that helps. If it's not clear, give me a ping! SilkTork (talk) 16:24, 13 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Ah, thanks for explaining! I'd run into the concept of non-diffusing categories but not really had to worry about it before. Will watch out for this in future. Blythwood (talk) 06:33, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

Gill
The citation from Print: is it really called "Gill Sands"? But we shouldn't have to take your word for it, we need a date or issue or something verifiable. And if you find it again, does it really say anything that isn't already cited? We need multiple citations for the controversial stuff but this scarcely qualifies, does it? --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 18:47, 28 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Yes, it's a pun on "Gill Sans". From memory I was able to read it online through British Library membership and can look at that if I have time (I didn't put the citation in initially but I did read the source and check it was of good quality). Not all sources have to be ones on the internet, that would exclude a huge amount of high-quality information. Blythwood (talk) 18:51, 28 January 2022 (UTC)