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Incomplete DYK nomination
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100% patrician
100% patricain — Preceding unsigned comment added by Distransient (talk • contribs) 21:57, 15 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Thank you michael "kel" keating for this valued comment —Brandt Luke Zorn (talk) 22:26, 15 September 2016 (UTC)

A Moon Shaped Pool
Yo. If you have time, I'd appreciate your feelings about the A Moon Shaped Pool article, specifically the Release section. Another editor has recently moved the special edition information into its own section. I'm in two minds about whether this is necessary. They've also added a photo of the special edition taken from Radiohead's site, which I'm guessing is a copyright infringement, right? (Copyright stuff has always been one of my blind spots on Wikipedia.) Popcornduff (talk) 10:12, 2 October 2016 (UTC)


 * I will take a look soon! I've been meaning to do the GA review but wanted to make sure I had the time to review it properly. —BLZ · talk 18:51, 2 October 2016 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of 1966 New York City smog
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Due to the fact that the plagiarism checker I ran on the article came back positive, I am going to be putting the article review on hold for the time being. Once this is fixed, please leave a message on my talk page and I will resume the review.-SilverplateDelta (talk) 14:22, 3 November 2016 (UTC) Plagiarism Checker Results

DYK for Chapo Trap House
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Your GA nomination of 1966 New York City smog
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DYK for 1966 New York City smog
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DYK nomination of Carl Diggler
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DYK for Carl Diggler
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Pod
Hi BLZ, how are you? I'm writing to ask whether you would possibly be interested in collaborating to any degree on Pod (The Breeders album). I really liked your editing on Title TK a lot in its recent FAC, and I'm sure the Pod article would benefit greatly by any contributions you could provide. The state it is in right now is that I have added lots of material (and have other possible source material organized at User:Moisejp/sandbox), but:
 * the lead needs developing (that should be easy once the rest of the article is solidified);
 * I have a bit more material to try to add for the Recording section;
 * there may be potential to do something different or additional in the Music and lyrics section—I have source material for it organized in my sandbox;
 * need to use a sound clip whose caption will justify its inclusion in the article;
 * the Release and reception section is currently mostly negative-ish reviews, so I want to add more reviews, and try to make more use of paraphrasing;
 * I plan to find some free images to include;
 * as with any article, it's always useful to have a second set of eyes for seeing opportunities for copy-editing and polishing of the prose.

I know you're in law school and often don't have a lot of time; I, too, am quite busy in real life and have not been working on this article as fast as I would like. But anyway, I just want to say that, if you are interested, any degree of contribution would be welcome. If you wanted to do a full collaboration, that would be great. Or if you wanted me to continue to do most of the work, with you just chipping in here and there, that would be fine too. Or another option, if you like, is I could keep working on it myself, then I'll probably take it to GAN, and then to a Peer Review, at which point I might ask you to look at it then. Thank you for considering, and of course no worries if you don't think you'll have time for it. Have a great day! Moisejp (talk) 16:43, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Hey! Thanks for approaching me on this, I'd be happy to help out. I'm always a little surprised that Breeder and Pod in particular haven't picked up more retrospective acclaim, especially since Cobain held them in such high regard. Maybe they were too grungy for the new wave of critics and too indie for most people who got started getting into alt-rock/grunge 10-20 years after the fact; either way, I'm glad to see someone working on their music here because there's no doubt they are under-appreciated. Since you're more familiar with the source material I think it would be easier for you to put together a complete draft first, at which point I can give it a solid once-over with the same type of edits I gave at the Title TK FAC. I'm also about to start another semester and have a few Wikipedia projects of my own in mind, so I think a supporting role would work best. The sandbox with notes is a great resource for me and will make the source review really easy. Hit me up when you think it's ready for an an eye and I'll do what I can to help you get it to GA- or FA- level fairly quickly. —BLZ · talk 06:31, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
 * • Thanks so much! I'll definitely be in touch when my complete draft is done. Take care and talk again soon. Moisejp (talk) 16:11, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

Hi again, BLZ, how are you? Early this year, you kindly said you'd be willing to help with Pod when it was ready. It languished in the GAN queue for seven months, but is now GA and would be ready whenever you have time. If you don't have time right now, that's cool too because I'm not necessarily in any hurry, and I've got other projects I can work on in the meantime. If you do look at it, would you want me to open a peer review? Or I'd be equally comfortable (or even more so) if you wanted to just dive in and make edits as you see fit—I have a lot of trust for your judgment—and then any dialogue about them could occur in the edit summaries, and possibly here or the article's talk page. Let me know what system and timing works for you. Thanks again! Moisejp (talk) 17:09, 9 October 2017 (UTC)

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Precious anniversary!
--Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:13, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

Four years now! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:05, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

... and five, - Happy 2019! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:15, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

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Secrets article
Hey. I recall you messaging me once about Secrets (Gil Scott-Heron album). I don't remember if I got back to you or not, but I added some stuff to it last night. There wasn't much literature or sources on it, so I think I've exhausted whatever it is I could've contributed. Dan56 (talk) 21:28, 28 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Oh, also, I have an FA nomination open for House of Music, so if you're into reviewing or that sort of thing and can add something, please feel free to do so. The previous nomination didn't garner enough commentary 💩 Dan56 (talk) 21:30, 28 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Thank you! I've been quite busy lately but I'll begin adding the research I've done to Secrets tonight, as well as a review of House of Music for you. —BLZ · talk 17:57, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

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OK Computer: TFA nom
Hello, I've officially nominated OK Computer to be Wikipedia's TFA for May 21, 2017, which will be the 20th anniversary of its release. It's customary to notify the article's original FA nominator of this development; as such, here I am. Head over here to view the most recent draft of the blurb, the comments therein, and the progress of the nomination. --Sunshineisles2 (talk) 21:33, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

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TFAR
As a matter of courtesy, I thought that I should let you know that I'm not planning to run OK Computer this month. The Ray Charles song has a more significant 50th anniversary, and we don't run two music articles in the same month. You could move your nom to unspecified date, or just wait to next year, sorry Jimfbleak - talk to me?  06:43, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
 * While I'm disappointed to hear that, I do understand and I appreciate the notice. Wikipedia should certainly prioritize a half-century milestone for a music giant like Ray Charles, and running too many music articles in a short time, let alone on back-to-back days, should be avoided. I wonder if there might be some flexibility: although OK Computer's first official release anywhere occurred 20 years ago on May 21 — it was first released in Japan on that date — its first release in the band's home country occurred on June 16. The Japanese date isn't particularly special except that it was first; other national release dates (in Canada or the US) don't have much particular weight as anniversaries, but the 20th anniversary of the album's release in the UK is special in its own right. I've even found, while doing research for the article, that news sites have marked release anniversaries on June 16 rather than May 21, and sites that have used either May 21 or June 16 typically haven't clarified for the reader that they're interpreting either the "first" or the "UK" date as the "official" date. If spacing music articles a month apart is a sufficient gap, and there are no similar scheduling issues in June, could the article wait until that anniversary? Also, if I do choose to move the request to June 16, should I open up a new nomination or copy-paste the current discussion to June 16? —BLZ · talk 14:04, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
 * One problem we have is that, although there is a general shortage of articles that haven't been at TFA, some topics, like music, are over-supplied. I write bird articles, which aren't even helped by a date connection, and some may never run because of the surplus of avian FAs. I don't see why you shouldn't try for the June date, the connection seems reasonable. I'd be inclined to follow the protocol used when renominating at FAC, set up a new nomination, but ping your reviewers to ask if they will look again. I'll leave the nom up until I schedule the Ray Charles date, so you might even garner some more !votes Jimfbleak - talk to me?  15:44, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Sounds good! And yes, totally get the glut of music (and entertainment, generally) FAs and how it's just something I'll have to work around, if it works out. Thanks again for the heads-up. —BLZ · talk 16:31, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

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Environmental Justice Article Nomination
Hey! You left a really helpful comment yesterday on my plea for help with the Indigenous Environmental Network page. I really appreciate your kindness and interest in the topic (and your music page edits are impressive). I withdrew the FA nomination and renominated the page as a good article, and would be super grateful if you could help us reach that status. Thank you so much! Gmhardesty (talk) 15:13, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

So I've fixed some of the things Ian pointed out and I think the article is on it's way, my group members are still working on fixing the citations within the sections we worked on. Just wanted to make sure you've seen this (and also to let you now we have until may 6 to get the article to GA status, so I'm putting a lot of work in.) @Brandt Luke Zorn

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Why is OK Computer FA again today? I know it's had FA status for years, but I don't understand why it's on the front page again today. I know it's the 20th anniversary - is that all it takes? I've never gone through a FAC process so I'm pretty clueless here. Popcornduff (talk) 06:56, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

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A page you started (Dril) has been reviewed!
Thanks for creating Dril, Brandt Luke Zorn!

Wikipedia editor Blythwood just reviewed your page, and wrote this note for you:

"I wrote the original Weird Twitter article (it's merged now) so very happy to see this. Great, thorough piece of writing. Maybe this will finally get him (?) verified?"

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Blythwood (talk) 22:31, 25 August 2017 (UTC)
 * One thing I would suggest, incidentally, is finding more sources about the "weirdness" (as opposed to the humour which is more conventional comedy and easy to explain) of dril's writing - the obsession with bodily functions, the sense of a character who is an obsessive internet user, the parodies of bad jokes and the obsession with authority and the police - although Mcdonough is a good start on this. I've seen a quote on a non-reliable-source website describing dril as "a parody of masculinity" and that feels dead on to me - if we could get a reliable source to that effect it would be really good! Blythwood (talk) 22:59, 25 August 2017 (UTC)
 * I also hope you're enjoying the adulation and ...not that your work is getting on Twitter as much as I am. I hadn't noticed your first edit summary. Blythwood (talk) 16:43, 30 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Also, get this on DYK! :p Sceptre (talk) 21:40, 6 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Thank you, I hope to! You can weigh in on the nomination here. —BLZ · talk 00:14, 7 September 2017 (UTC)

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Dril
I am so tickled to see such an excellent page on dril on Wikipedia. It's weird yet delightful topics like that that really make this place special. Congrats on the DYK nom and I hope to god it gets GA/FA in the future :D &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 04:30, 13 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Thank you so much! I knew I really wanted to start the dril article someday if I had the chance, but I was starting to worry that someone would half-ass it before I got the chance, and the only thing worse than no dril article would have been a bad one. I have it nommed for DYK here and for GA. Feel free to weigh in, particularly on the DYK, since I've chosen something a little unorthodox that I anticipate may get pushback (or eyebrow raises) from those who are unfamiliar with dril's oeuvre and style. Any extra feedback/support/perspective to bolster or refine the DYK, esp. from someone who knows, loves, and "gets" dril, would be appreciated! —BLZ · talk 17:44, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
 * d'oh forgot to ping. —BLZ · talk 20:13, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I like the DYK hook. It's very weird but very dril, and I think it'll attract a lot of interest on the front page. Given that it's been reviewed there's not much for me to weigh in on, there's just the long wait until it gets moved to front page. I've never done a GA at all so I wouldn't know where to start unfortunately :( &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 00:24, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

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DYK for Dril
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DYK for Caspar Phillipson
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Reverts
I quote: Normally, only one official link is included. If the subject of the article has more than one official website, then more than one link may be appropriate, under a very few limited circumstances. (not my bolding). There is an official link on the page, we do not need to link any more of them. The itunes and Soundcloud are obviously not official links of the subject, they only exist to sell products. The twitter is indeed an official link of the subject, but it is the second official link in the list, and it does not provide 'unique content' beyond what is in the article (if you want to dispute that, please find the consensus in WT:EL that I am wrong, and you may want to read External_links/Perennial_websites. You may also want to read WP:ELBURDEN, the onus is on you to show that sufficient unique content is being provided (and no, I don't think that a sour dough lobster is "meaningful, relevant content". So I ask you, respectfully, to revert your edit, and take it to WT:EL. --Dirk Beetstra T C 18:58, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Please see External_links/Noticeboard. --Dirk Beetstra T  C 19:04, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

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Category Wine Bars
Could you please stop adding this category to articles about restaurants. The Banner talk 11:19, 9 April 2018 (UTC)


 * My apologies. I did not intend to be overzealous, only to be thorough. My method was to look through the list of articles that link to "wine bar" and then include the articles that identify their subjects as wine bars, which both Loam (restaurant) and Old Dutch (restaurant) do. I was relying strictly on the internal contents of those articles.
 * It's quite possible I'm wrong, but I don't think there's anything inherently contradictory about something being both a wine bar and a restaurant. Wine bars are not common in the United States, but my understanding is that they're often akin to gastropubs, or that there can be a "wine bar" component to an establishment that is otherwise a restaurant. For example, the caves a manger of Paris are primarily identified as a type of "wine bar," but they serve food. That said, my knowledge of this area (and especially the European context) is limited, and my knowledge of those two restaurants is zilch. Again, I was merely relying on the descriptions on the articles themselves, not my own knowledge of those establishments. I don't mean to step on any toes.
 * I'm happy to defer to your knowledge in this case, and I thank you for double-checking my edits. To prove that I truly don't intend to be a nuisance, I've also removed Loam and Old Dutch from the List of bars article, where I had added a new subsection for wine bars that runs parallel to the newly created category. Cheers —BLZ · talk 18:22, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

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 * Thank you! I've considered taking dril to FAC. The tenth anniversary of his first tweet is coming up in September, so if I could clear it through the FAC process in time it would be a lot of fun to have it on the main page for that. —BLZ · talk 05:56, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

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Hey, I granted you autopatrolled per this request made by Dane. I was surprised to see you didn't already have it, actually. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 05:14, 3 July 2018 (UTC)


 * I'm very, very late, but thank you for this! Being "autopatrolled" is something that was never on my radar until, all of a sudden, I had it. Not sure if new article patrolling existed the way it does now when I was first on Wikipedia, but I only noticed the patrol notifications after I returned. I appreciate the trust! And also, I appreciate the general support since getting dril to GA. I'm back on my bullshit (as they say) in the music realm of Wikipedia lately, but I probably will bite my tongue and nominate dril for FA soon. —BLZ · talk 05:58, 2 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Hah, no problem. Da share z0ne came up on my watchlist after someone marked it patrolled and I was confused why a multiple-FA author didn't have autopatrolled already. I hope you don't mind me jumping on your weird Twitter GA noms when I find them in the queue, but I really enjoy strange internet culture and can't resist. I've never commented at FA before, but let me know if you take dril there and I'll try to make some intelligent comments :P &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 07:24, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

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Hi, thanks for notifying. That was a careless mistake I made in allowing the title to be changed. Something pinged my mind just as I saved, but I failed to act on it. Tony (talk)  03:14, 20 July 2018 (UTC)


 * No worries! Most of your other changes were good catches, and someone (or some bot) was bound to make that date change sooner or later, so it was a good opportunity to leave a note about the title. I could have probably left some of your link-pruning in as well, but I quibbled with some of the removals (classic prima donna attitude of a writer toward his editors...) and it was easier to do a single revert rather than pick through. —BLZ · talk 03:22, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

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BLZ, I hope your summer is going well. I wanted to leave you a note as I'm reworking, here, the "dirtbag left" article that was deleted in February and thought you might be interested in contributing. The text on my user page is drawn from the sole Internet Archive cache and my original draft from May 2017. I added the expanded bibliography/source list today. I'm not eager to put it back in the main space until I think it can avoid speedy deletion, so if you are busy but interested know that it will remain a draft for some time. Thanks!--MainlyTwelve (talk) 20:26, 31 July 2018 (UTC)


 * I'd be happy to help! Just added a few more sources to the rough bibliography, which were anything new I could find in Google News that add something more than generic use of "Dirtbag Left" as a descriptor in passing. Tbh I was slightly on the fence about whether the term was independently notable, but I was surprised to find that it has durability. The term has been used enough—and independently of Chapo or the DSA (or even politics in the US!)—that it warrants inclusion at this point. It probably won't be my main focus for a while either, but lmk once you're getting closer to publishing, I'll give it a once-over then. It looks like we have some interests in common, so if you are interested in collabing on any other stuff too let me know. —BLZ · talk 06:31, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

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You might find this interesting. Popcornduff (talk) 04:34, 23 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Nigel no!! I wish he'd been more specific or given some notes. I guess he was at least specific enough to say he feels the recording section is a problem, but I really wonder what exactly he objected to. Could be that he objects to certain narratives about tension or conflict, as a person who actually participated in the recordings, but he must understand that all we can do is reconstruct a picture of the recording based on secondary sources. Glad he didn't call out OK Computer at least, but I'm not feeling too confident he'd be proud of me if his attention turns that direction. —BLZ · talk 00:25, 24 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Yeah, he could have been more constructive in his criticism, but at the same time I imagine it's frustrating to have stuff you're involved with be incorrect, to your knowledge. It chafes a bit that he retweeted someone sarcastically saying "Are you saying that Thom didn't actually blend fishing magazines to construct lyrics", which implies that's a claim actually made by the article. Isn't he complaining about spreading misinformation...? Popcornduff (talk) 07:22, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

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The Wire review
Are you sure about this? The copy I had found on issuu.com showed the page numbered "66" below Shapiro's review. Dan56 (talk) 22:07, 9 November 2018 (UTC)


 * I am. Check the description on issuu: "I created this magazine as a school assignment in which we had to give a personal, original way to reinterpret the wire magazine by inserting yourself (face and personality) as an artist in the entire edition." The text seems to be faithfully reproduced—making that an incredibly useful informal source (I was wondering how you'd found the review in the first place, since stuff from The Wire is usually tricky to find, if not completely inaccessible without a subscription)—but the design in the issuu link does not reflect what The Wire published. Here's a screenshot of pp. 62–63 as printed in the original. —BLZ · talk 22:18, 9 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Great. Good work. Good thing I asked you to review it then. Dan56 (talk) 22:26, 9 November 2018 (UTC)


 * No worries! If you ever want to look something up in The Wire I'd be happy to help, even if you don't have an exact issue in mind. Or heck, even if you're totally unsure whether they've written about something but would like to check out of curiosity. I've got access to their entire back catalog and they've made it very easy to text-search. I can send screenshots like I did just now. Anyway, I figured I'd start there by checking that review/formatting that citation, but now I'm starting a section-by-section review/copyedit from the top. —BLZ · talk 22:42, 9 November 2018 (UTC)


 * I agree that "Perhaps too..." makes it sound like a hypothetical, but doesn't "still more griping..." sound more like he is making an observation rather than positing a hypothetical? Dan56 (talk) 22:57, 9 November 2018 (UTC)


 * I considered that, but I ended up thinking of that phrasing as a writerly flourish. He may have specific people (or "types," at least) in mind, but he's still generalizing that to how a range of people could be expected to react, based on their expectations and tastes. In any case, none of it is in past-tense or attributes those specific feelings to specific people. I felt the original wording in the article too strongly suggested that these "complaints" were real, attributable complaints that had happened over a period of time, when in any case they are more of a general impression or projection. —BLZ · talk 01:37, 10 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Perhaps raise critical concerns about the prose in your review at the nomination page, rather than wholesale copy editing? I can't recall this ever being done in my experience with featured article reviews; usually reviewers' changes have been minimal/minor with the onus placed on me for significant changes or to respond to concerns. Dan56 (talk) 19:25, 10 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the extensive comments and translation. There were some small but critical misapprehensions on my part with the Parahyba article. Hopefully, my recent edits have rectified them. Dan56 (talk) 20:13, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I've split a few of the sentences from "Recording" into a new "Background" section with additional info. I also rephrased and rearranged some things in the spirit of your previous change. Dan56 (talk) 22:35, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

Hey. Do you still have more to add to the review? Dan56 (talk) 06:39, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

Review Pod?
Hi BLZ, how are you, long time no talk! Quite a while ago I mentioned I was building up the article for the Breeders' album Pod, but I actually got delayed and side-tracked, and then in August I found several more offline sources at the library, so have since built it some more. I've now nominated it for PR and would be thrilled if you happen to have time to look at it. Your feedback and edits for Title TK were a big, big help for that article. This is the link if you have time, thank you: Peer review/Pod (The Breeders album)/archive1. Moisejp (talk) 06:16, 14 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Sorry for the (very) late reply on this! I will review it sometime in the next few days with an eye for future FAC. I've skimmed some sections already and it seems like it's in pretty good shape. The album cover now makes sense to me, at long last. I always saw it as an abstract painting or clouds or a flower, but now that I know what it's a photo of I can't unsee it.
 * Off the top of my head: In Kurt Cobain's Journals, he listed Pod as his #3 album after Raw Power and Surfer Rosa (there are plenty of places online that republish Cobain's list; here's one just for fun, although obviously it'd be best to cite whatever page in Journals has the list). I don't know if that was before or after the MM interview, but it seems worth noting all the same.
 * Also: I've been on a major Bob Dylan kick lately, and as such I've recently enjoyed reading through your Dylan articles in more depth. I don't remember if I reviewed any of them at FAC when they were there but I don't think I did. Blonde on Blonde is my overall favorite of his, although I'm also a big fan of Bringing It All Back Home, Blood on the Tracks, and really (almost) all of his work. —BLZ · talk 22:11, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

Hi BLZ, thanks so much! Actually I’ve still got a fair amount of feedback from Ceoil and SchroCat that I need to address, so no rush whatsoever. Yeah, I noticed recently that one of my sources mentions that in Cobain’s journals Raw Power was #1 and the source was vague about which of Surfer Rosa and Pod were #2 and #3. I’ve been meaning to address that somehow but haven’t had time to look into the best way. As you say, I hope to get access to the Journals book itself, which would be the cleanest option. I’m glad to hear you’ve been into Dylan. I recall you reviewed the Highway 61 Revisited FAC, not sure about any others. (Apologies no italics or links or such—I’m typing this on the bus.) Thanks again, really looking forward to your feedback! Moisejp (talk) 02:12, 27 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Sounds good. Btw, I just checked and there's a pdf upload of Journals here at the Internet Archive (almost certainly unsanctioned by the Cobain estate, but all the same). Skimming through, I caught four lists of favorite albums of varying lengths on pp. 29, 202, 239, and 257. Pod is included on p. 202 and p. 257, the latter being the famed Top 50 with Pod at #3. The Top 50 is undated but probably from 1993, coming on the heels of a lot of In Utero-era journal entries. The first list in Journals likely predates the release of Pod, or at least Kurt's hearing it, while the third list is a half-ironic-yet-utterly-sincere list of Kurt's favorite mainstream rock with appearances by the Knack, ELO, Beatles, stuff like that. —BLZ · talk 03:06, 27 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Thanks, BLZ! This is just what I needed. I'll likely say something general in the main text like that Pod was one of Cobain's favourite albums, then include a footnote with some specifics about the Melody Maker article and one or both mentions in Journals. BTW, I was happy to see Cobain's list of mainstream likes on p. 239, such as Hall & Oates and Fleetwood Mac. Moisejp (talk) 05:57, 27 November 2018 (UTC)


 * I also really appreciate Cobain's unpretentious side. Not that indie rock is inherently pretentious or anything, but it's nice to see his moments of honest, unguarded love for mainstream pop-rock records that his underground peers/elders would have dismissed out of hand. I really love "My Sharona" and whenever I hear it I always think of an anecdote from Heavier Than Heaven: a 20-something (but still pre-fame) Kurt went over to a friend's house, told the friend "you've gotta hear this record, it's amazing", and put on Get the Knack, air-drumming all the way through both sides. The friend had already heard Get the Knack, and didn't like it, but was too embarrassed by Kurt's enthusiasm to interrupt.


 * Since you're still working thru Ceoil and SchroCat's reviews, just let me know when you're ready for me to dive in and I'll hop to it. Also: Dan56 nominated Fôrça Bruta for FAC, but the nomination was closed before it could get enough reviews/support. I'd given the article a pretty exhaustive review that was very nearly concluded at the time that it closed, which was unfortunate. Anyway, he'll be renominating it soon and it'd be a shame for it to falter again at FAC for a lack of attention. It'd be great if you could review it when it pops up there again. —BLZ · talk 07:08, 3 December 2018 (UTC)


 * I've been allowed to open a new nomination. Dan56 (talk) 15:03, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

Hi BLZ, how's it going? Happy holidays! The status of the Pod PR is Ceoil made some comments, which I think I've mostly responded to, in some cases with some open questions. I don't want to put words in his mouth, but I think he's getting relatively close to being satisfied with the article, but that he probably still wants to do a little tinkering. But both he and I have been quite busy so it has been an ongoing process of back-and-forth. He mentioned he expects to come back to it in the new year. I don't know if there's perfect timing for when you want to jump in, and it could depend partly on when you expect to have a window of time. In short, I think the article is likely fairly, but not 100%, stable, and I'm looking forward to getting your feedback when you feel the timing is right. Thanks! Moisejp (talk) 19:44, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

Hi again BLZ, thanks so much for starting to look at the article. I'm quite embarrassed, but I realized today that I had missed Ceoil's most recent comments, the last of which completely contradicts the status update I gave you above. :-( But if you don't mind continuing your review anyway, I'd certainly be happy to get your feedback at this time. This PR has been going on for a while, and may have gotten into a semi-rut, and possibly a fresh set of critical eyes (yours) would help to shake things up. But it's up to you; if you prefer to wait until the article really is stable, that's fine too. Thanks, BLZ! Moisejp (talk) 05:54, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

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 * lmao, thank you very much. Ceci n'est pas un avatar officiel, but it'll have to do. —BLZ · talk 21:58, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

What counts as a single?
I've never been sure what counts as a single, promotional single, etc. I've just reverted this edit on the basis that Radiohead adding an old bonus track to streaming services and as a download - albeit on its own (not part of another album or anything), with cover art - probably doesn't constitute a single. Is that the right call? Popcornduff (talk) 16:01, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
 * That sounds right to me. No sources I can find are calling it a single; Pitchfork called it a "B-Side" and NME called it a "bonus track". Interestingly, sources are also not even using the word "release", instead saying things like Radiohead "made the song available", or the song has "arrived". The fact of it having a unique cover is interesting, but I don't think it makes up for the fact that neither the band nor any secondary sources have called it a single. Sources are treating this not as a single or a promotional push for the album, but as a formality of making a previously "rare" special-edition-bonus-CD-only song available to everyone all of the time.
 * As far as I can tell, the "promotional single" concept is mostly a relic of the 90s—you might see it a little earlier and a little later, but I think the 90s would have been the peak. It basically means that a physical release of a song as a single exists—the item has been logged on Discogs or wherever—but the single was never available for retail purchase by a general commercial audience, instead it was distributed to radio stations and the like. A "real" (non-promo) single is really a "retail" single, but that aspect is left unspoken. The idea of a mass-market physical retail single is almost entirely antiquated in Anglo-American markets in the age of downloads and streams, so the distinction between a "real" and a "promotional" single has become almost entirely nonexistent; the closest thing might be, say, a non-single like "Tuscan Leather" getting radio airplay, which I would imagine at some level involved behind-the-scenes label coordination even if it didn't involve the manufacture of CDs with only "Tuscan Leather" on them. —BLZ · talk 19:09, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for this thoughtful explanation, it's helpful. While we're on the subject, am I right in thinking that a "retail release" means a physical release? If it's only for sale as a download, that's not a retail release, right? (edit: I might have totally invented that.) Popcornduff (talk) 19:25, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
 * To me, "retail release" means a physical release for commercial sale to the public, since "retail" implies sale of a physical consumer good. For something to have been a single between the 50s to the 90s (give or take), that means it must have been a physical consumer good; singles that took physical form but were not offered for the sale to the public were promotional singles. If a consumer gets their hands on a promo single, it would have to be through a secondary market like ebay or Discogs or a used record store, and the item is more like a piece of memorabilia or collector's item than a "regular" single. The term "retail single" is mostly useful/applicable for the pre-iTunes era before downloads took over, because after that point almost any individual song on an album could be purchased à la carte regardless of whether it had been designated as a "single" or not. Now that every song is for sale/available for individual consumption, whether something is a "single" or not depends more on a label's labeling/marketing strategy plus the press's labeling—although of course, if they release something as a retail single that remains the most straightforward signal that it's a single.
 * To me, "retail release" means a physical release for commercial sale to the public Let me rephrase my question about that. Putting aside the idea of singles for a second, something I'm often writing is that an album was released in digital and retail editions. By "retail" here I mean as a physical copy, but I'm wondering now if that's a misuse of the word "retail" - perhaps the word also covers digital sales. (I'd rather not use the term "physical edition" - it's clear but doesn't sit right.)
 * No, you're right. "Retail" means physical because the word "retail" only covers sale of tangible/physical consumer goods.
 * Btw... Any FAC plans for A Moon Shaped Pool, Kid A, or anything else? Kid A has never been on the main page, so if it gets FA'd in time it could be a snazzy TFA for its 20th anniversary (Godrich be damned). —BLZ · talk 22:49, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid I've lost all faith in the FA process. That's not because of bad experiences of my stuff being reviewed, but the opposite. I just don't think writing standards are high enough, and the quality of articles that passes FA slightly depresses me. Hope this doesn't sound too braggy, considering I'm pretty much the sole author, but I think the Moon Shaped Pool article is better than many featured articles already. Popcornduff (talk) 23:21, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I hear ya. The reason I asked about Moon Shaped Pool is that I agree with you, I think it definitely meets current FA standards and would be worth nominating. I'm at least encouraged to see that standards at FAC seem to get higher and higher over time. One of the problems is that truly in-depth reviews are time-consuming. I did a recent, brutal review for the first nomination of Fôrça Bruta, which I came to support by the second nomination. That nomination page, all told, is ~101k bytes. Compare that to the ~6k bytes worth of the FAC for Kid A from 2007. My older FAs fall far below what I would consider acceptable by today's standards. I've been considering doing a revamp of Spiderland, given that a 33⅓ and a documentary about the band have come out in the time since I wrote it. —BLZ · talk 01:58, 12 January 2019 (UTC)

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Source review for Forca Bruta
Would you mind doing a source review for this? GermanJoe suggested I ask one of the supporting reviewers. Dan56 (talk) 11:42, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

Setlist removals
Might I suggest adding citation needed tags instead? Going to several tour GAs and removing the setlists just because they’re not immediately sourced is kinda disruptive.— N Ø  20:39, 25 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Respectfully, it's less disruptive to remove uncited, optional sections than it would be to add citation needed tags and then nominate otherwise acceptable good articles for reassessment on that basis. I only went through articles that have already been promoted to GA status, the majority of which already provide reliable secondary sources for their set lists. On the other hand, I found that some of these articles simply omit set lists, perhaps for lack of a source—and that's OK, too. Frankly, these uncited sections should have been caught and addressed during the review process. If a reliable secondary source can be easily provided to back up the info I removed, then the edit wasn't disruptive, it was constructive, because an easily resolved (but substantial) problem was highlighted and corrected. —BLZ · talk 20:52, 25 January 2019 (UTC)

Paul's Boutique
Hi! I started typing this up on the PR page but figured maybe more appropriate to put it here. Speaking of 33 1/3 books, I noticed in your library you have the one for Paul's Boutique. Does it have lots of good insight? That's an album I've always found really interesting and one of many that I've always had at the back of my mind could be interesting to develop the Wikipedia article for. Somewhere on one of my browsers I have a bookmark to a Spin article with lots of fascinating background from around the time of their break-up with Def Jam. I just looked at the Paul's Boutique article page now for the first time in a long time and see that lots of refs have been added to it since last time I looked. I have no idea what all is in all of them. I'll have to look. Anyway, talk to you soon. Moisejp (talk) 19:14, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
 * It's a really good 33⅓. For me, the ideal 33⅓ should contain about 45% history & interviews, 35% musical analysis, 20% big-picture "Wʜᴀᴛ Dᴏᴇs Iᴛ Aʟʟ Mᴇᴀɴ?" cultural analysis, and as close as possible to 0% personal memoir/fiction. The Paul's Boutique book just about hits those marks, and it would be a really good source for the Wikipedia article. —BLZ · talk 20:40, 29 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot for your additions today. The PB 33⅓ book sounds good. You're probably already aware of this, but I just stumbled on this a couple of days ago, which is that the author also wrote a 246-page sequel []. That's two books I'd have to read cover to cover—a bit of an initial hurdle! No, in all seriousness, I am sincerely interested. I just have lots of potential Wikipedia projects at the back of my mind and limited time. It might be more likely for me to start an article where I can get some early momentum going from books I already have around me and online sources. Maybe that's similar to the reason I often gravitate to Dylan and the Breeders—even though I'm interested in lots of other stuff—because they're the subjects I know best, and so my brain may find it easier to get the ball rolling on them. But gosh, yeah, PB sounds tempting to tackle, and maybe I just need to give myself a boot in the pants to get started. I'd hate, though, to invest in the books and not get far reading them and then get distracted and working on something else. Likely my best bet is to see what good sources I can find online and start reading them gradually and see if momentum develops organically. But this Pod PR has lasted a lot longer than I expected, and I kinda think my next project will be something less ambitious, that I can hope to finish more quickly. Although, who knows? I never know for sure what my next project is going to be until I start working on it and the ball starts rolling. Moisejp (talk) 05:44, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I feel the same way most of the time: you have a half-dozen potential projects kicking around your head, and triple that on the deep backburner. I really love Paul's Boutique—it's not an article that I'd thought about pursuing actively, but if you're game for a collab on it sometime soon I'd be very interested in helping. Looks like Dan56 has put in a lot of work on it as well, judging from the edit stats on the article—what say you, Dan? Interested in pushing Paul's Boutique to GA/FA status? +lol at the title of the 66⅔ series, I was not aware of that sequel. I must have bought the Paul's Boutique book a year or so before that came out. —BLZ · talk 23:16, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm not familiar enough with the subject. I think I just added a few review scores and text from Christgau, and undid some vandalism a long time ago. Good luck though. I'm sure the article will look great. Dan56 (talk) 05:42, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

Awesome, I'm up for a collaboration! I'll start perusing the existing sources casually right away (like the ones already in the article, and the 33 1/3 book), and then more serious once the Pod PR and FAC are done. This [] is the Spin article I was talking about. I don't know if (likely) the anecdotes in it are widely told in other sources, but some of it was the first I'd heard of it, like Def Jam's plans to release White House, which they abandoned when they realized Paul's Boutique was actually really good—fascinating stuff, to be sure. Moisejp (talk) 01:38, 31 January 2019 (UTC) PS. I replied to your e-mail. Let me know if it happens you don't get it. Thanks! Moisejp (talk) 01:44, 31 January 2019 (UTC)