User talk:Bmills~enwiki/archive 1

off focus and unnecessary
I wrote the Yoko Syndrome article, and the anti-christian phrase was tacked onto the last paragraph by a different user. The jab was not in my original definition. Dylan's 79-81 period was pretty dismal. Worse yet, this was all happening right before his Buddakan performance.

But, being in several garage bands growing up, "Yoko Syndrome" and "Christian Period" are wonderful pop reference critiques. Both describe a shift in musical style that is unwelcome by fans. The terms themselves are very POV, but they are used to describe esperiences other musicians and bands suffer from growing pains and attempting to change creative direction.

Diageo
I dont see logic of removing Diageo - it is a multinational, parent of Guinness and now involved in international controversy over Cardhu whisky. Mervyn.

Poetry
Um, I'm not sure I see the connection. Adam 11:28, 4 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Hello Bmills. I've been following your work with interest. Even put you on the Brilliant prose as a candidate. Just saw your question about newbies addition to your Poetry. As I see it you gave a technical explanation about poetry (structure etc..) while the Newbie is trying to describe where poetic inspiration comes from. It is badly written and expressed, but all the same the idea isn't too bad. To say something what inspires poetry. I am not a Poet nor an en. mothertongue. I hope you get the gist of what I mean. Vanderesch 11:50, 19 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Formatting
Thanks for giving me a "star" (see November 2003). --Uncle Ed 14:23, 4 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Ack
I am relieved someone agrees with me on Wikipedia talk:Make only links relevant to the context w.r.t. to the abuse of wikilinks. Sometimes I feel like a madman shouting in the desert. Perhaps it is a lost cause :-((( Cheers, -- Viajero 13:44, 5 Nov 2003 (UTC)

My mistake
Hi, you seem to be creating pages in slightly the wrong space. Your sandbox is now at User:Bmills/Sandbox and the poetry page is at User:Bmills/poetrytest. Make sure you put "User:Bmills/" before the title and you should be ok. Hope that makes sense, let me know if not. Angela 13:57, Nov 6, 2003 (UTC)


 * That's fine. Glad I could help! Don't worry about getting things in the wrong place and so on. It's easily reversible. Angela 14:09, Nov 6, 2003 (UTC)

Irish poetry
Wow! Nice work on the Irish poetry article. I only made one tiny edit, changing M.A. to be M.A. to disambiguate it. -- Minesweeper 19:40, Nov 10, 2003 (UTC)

The Irish literature page is in excellent shape now - congratulations. Now we need someone to do full pages on Irish fiction and Irish theatre - maybe those could go on the Wanted Pages list? I've killed the links to Brian O'Nolan and Myles na Gopaleen, since they are now just redirects to Flann O'Brien - mind you he'd have appreciated the potential for humour there. seglea 16:37, 19 Nov 2003 (UTC)

My mistakes again
Whoa there :) Please try and use the Show Preview button when you submit your changes, it makes Recent changes less cluttered.

Thanks Dysprosia 09:33, 11 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Current events
Thanks for helping out over at [Talk:Current events. That guy is exasperating! I can handle people with different points of view, but a person like that with no sense of neutrality drives me nuts. -- Viajero 15:28, 11 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Civil rights / UK / current events Thanks for telling me about the previous deletion of that context flag. Must have all taken place before I got up this morning. Presumably it'll get deleted again in a while. (It's not that smug git Blunkett doing the deleting, is it?) Hjr 16:52, 12 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Vandalism
Hi, thanks for spotting that vandalism. Did you know you can revert vandalism by going to the page history, and saving an earlier version? You might want to see the instructions at How to revert a page to an earlier version in case you find any more. Angela 14:42, 18 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Google/Village pump/Whales
Thanks for the kind words re the Bale.. new whale species Hope you didn't feel too pounced on re your question about Google test. It was a reasonable question, but allowed several of us to get on our high horses about the Google Test inadequacies. Your article is ideal and the comments were meant as supportive, even if they may not have as such! Pete 18:15, 20 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Stuff
Thanks! (hopethisworkshopethisworks) Litefantastic 14:54, 25 Nov 2003 (UTC)Litefantastic

Re: football chants. VfD gets more attention so they are better off there. Secretlondon 15:46, Nov 26, 2003 (UTC)

Nice job cleaning up the Latin-languages page; I think we've made a Great Stride Towards Something. - Litefantastic 23:13, 26 Nov 2003 (UTC)

re. Borges
Thanks for your note. It wasn't on my list of things I wanted to do, but I had been watching the page and a newcomer showed up who wanted to work on it and I ended up discussing it a bit with him. The previous version was a dreadful academic thing that someone must have orphaned here, but it has been slowly but unevenly improving. However, the other guy set himself to work on the bibliography -- which is now immense -- while neglecting what I felt was the main priority, namely a section with straight biographical details. In any event, as you have indeed noticed, there is lots to do here in the field of "high" culture. -- Viajero 20:33, 27 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Splendid work on the Alphabets derived from the Latin page; it's really matured since I decided to take up your challenge!

- Litefantastic 01:09, 29 Nov 2003 (UTC)

LP Boon
Thanks for cleaning up Louis Paul Boon the other day. I shouldn't edit while I am tired; I should do something else, like sleep. BTW, I just had the pleasure of perusing your Irish Poetry and am mightily impressed. I look forward to seeing what else you tackle. -- Viajero 21:41, 29 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Dear Bmills, its done you can vote now! Cheers, Muriel Victoria 14:30, 1 Dec 2003 (UTC)
 * I checked everything OK... You found the kibitz on which page? Muriel
 * Seems to be working fine, i wonder if its your browser? I'm glad you liked it: i had a great time writing it. Muriel
 * Cato the younger looks a new man! My things always need some polishing... Muriel Victoria

Irish writing
It was Modern literature in Irish seglea 17:23, 1 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Irish theatre
Congratulations, another excellent article. seglea 23:25, 1 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Irish fiction
... and another. Really informative and useful stuff. seglea 17:29, 2 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Surrealism
If I were you I would be bold and move the part you believe to be incorrect to the talk page, and comment why you believe it to be incorrect. Then if someone disagrees with your assessment, it can be discussed on the talk page. I wouldn't worry too much about hypothetical problems, especially if the problems seem to lie with them and not you. Just my advice, your mileage may very. Maximus Rex 17:22, 3 Dec 2003 (UTC)

DJ Clayworth
Bmills, I'm told you are allowed to remove your own VfD nominations, (such as Diageo), especially if noone has voted for deletion. DJ Clayworth 22:49, 4 Dec 2003 (UTC)


 * Always glad to help. I'll have a look at Irish Theatre; it's not part of the field I know much about - in fact I'm learning a lot from reading the article. It's a good one. DJ Clayworth 15:22, 5 Dec 2003 (UTC)

The Cunctator
On Votes for deletion you wrote "Regardless of the title, I cannot see how it is encyclopedic to cover them individually." What's your definition of "encyclopedic"? I ask because the one I use is "embracing many subjects; comprehensive". I'm only bringing this up because I see the true, long-term promise of Wikipedia being in its potential for being truly comprehensive. yours, The Cunctator


 * Your response "I guess I see an encyclopedia as being much more than a glorified list of facts. A good article contextualises a group of related facts, giving them context and meaning, or converting them from information into knowledge. For example, a sequence of discrete articles on football chants tells you nothing more that what each chant is and when/where it originated/is used. A good article on football chants can, in addition, give you an insight into one of the most significant areas of popular culture in Britain (indeed, the non-US world, increasingly)." makes perfect sense. My only caution is that Wikipedia entries are different from paper articles, by virtue of their interlinking. Thus a collection of sample entries such as

Goobers are great! is a football chant popular with fans of Manchester United which refers to apocryphal story that the prowess of David Beckham is due to his consumption of peanuts before gametime. The chant also acts a reference to Butch Guberman...

in concordance with a good entry at football chant, etc., gives the full picture. I'm certainly not saying that every little snippet of information needs to have its own entry, but that separate entries facilitate interlinking, and interlinking is a major component (perhaps the essential component) in making Wikipedia more than a glorified collection of facts. --The Cunctator 18:42, 8 Dec 2003 (UTC)

T0ky0
Thanks amigo - I was never sure about that. I suppose Limerick's too big. Good luck, T0ky0 17:19, 8 Dec 2003 (UTC).

Hey, no problem about the mix-up with Neighbourhood Watch. I shouldn't have panicked so much. :-) -- User:Ppe42 - 02:46, 10 Dec 2003 (NZT)

Women Poets
You wrote: Thanks for the help with the list of women poets

Hey cool, all part of the service. Though why my IP suddenly decided to log me out mid edit is beyond me... Francs2000 16:16, 9 Dec 2003 (UTC)


 * I must say you've got a lot of work on your hands what with all these female poets that don't have articles... Francs2000 09:25, 10 Dec 2003 (UTC)

What?
From your user page: ". . . And while I'm at it, by what criteria do . . . reptilian humanoid get to be judged worthy of retention?"

So I guess you want to delete Chupacabra too? Wiwaxia 14:22, 10 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Right for a change
You could have got it yourself from the page history. Secretlondon 16:39, Dec 10, 2003 (UTC)

Squocken Reise, wird entsprochen für Bonnie. Auf Spielraum, 17. Jahrhundert (1665-1687), wenigem Bonnie getragen 1632 auf München und 1637 auf Berlin. Wenig Bonnie ist die mathematische Frau, eine Kleine Bonnie.

I don't understand where you are coming from. I don't have time to look through the last month's deletion logs at the moment. If you have found that it was previously deleted please say so. If you want to check to see if it's accurate try google. Secretlondon 16:47, Dec 10, 2003 (UTC)

You were right - I had no idea this had appeared before. Nothing about them on mathematical databases either. Secretlondon 18:45, Dec 10, 2003 (UTC)

Poetry
bmills, just wanted to thank you for the invitation: I have long wanted to expand our coverage of poetry, and will do what I can to keep working at it: I'm now signed up on the WikiProject page. I take it from the project page that you approved of my changes to Sestina--thanks! Best wishes, Jwrosenzweig 21:00, 11 Dec 2003 (UTC)

How do I join? Greenmountainboy 13:33, 15 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Brilliant prose
Dear Bmills, take a look at my talk page and check the advertising i made for our brilliant prose cause! Muriel Victoria 16:57, 12 Dec 2003 (UTC)

I'm not really interested in joining the poetry WikiProject - I'm just trying to make sure that we don't have notices around the Wikipedia which make it appear that people are required to read certain pages before they edit (I know you don't expect everyone to follow the guidelines there, but anything which gives the impression there are certain "rules" which must be followed is a bad thing). --Camembert


 * Ok thanks Greenmountainboy 14:21, 15 Dec 2003 (UTC)

I should apologise, by the way, if I seem a bit brusque in removing and editing those boilerplates - I know your aim is to just get more people writing about poetry, and that's a commendable aim, of course. But I'm somewhat concerned that somebody seeing that boilerplate might think that they are required to read WikiProject Poetry before they're allowed to edit associated articles, and that that will put them off editing - not what anybody wants, I'm sure. I know it's just a request and just a guideline and all that, but some people will probably read it as a "rule".

By the way, did I see you say somewhere that you know Tom Raworth? I'm slightly jealous or in awe or impressed or something like that if so - I bought his new Collected the other week - I really like his stuff. --Camembert

I think you did a good job on the Tom Raworth article - I can understand it's difficult to be neutral about people one knows (or even just people one admires from a distance), but you've certainly managed it, and I hope you'll expand it one day. Thanks for the link to his website, by the way. And apologies for jumping on those boilerplates quite as quickly as I did - I could've probably been a bit gentler :) All the best--Camembert

Brilliant prose 2
Well, i dont think anybody cares much besides the two of us. I must confess i'm quite surprised (positive way) with the voting. Lets just wait a couple of days to see if somebody else has any ideas... Cheers, Muriel Victoria 16:24, 15 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Thanks for your comment at BP. Also, I really like your user page -- good stuff -- I may "borrow" some at some point! -- BCorr ? &#1041;&#1088;&#1072;&#1081;&#1077;&#1085; 14:41, 16 Dec 2003 (UTC)

That whole series you've been doing looks like a lot of work. Great articles. - Hephaestos 16:47, 22 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Good work on the American poetry article. I expect to see it at Brilliant prose soon! I hesitate to try to add anything to such a cohesively written article but I think it needs more on modern and female poets like Maya Angelou, Adrienne Rich, Lucille Clifton, Gwendolyn Brooks, etc. Rmhermen 15:54, Dec 23, 2003 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!!
Dear Bmills, yes you are right! Its not time to decide anything about BP. Anyway maybe the christmas spirit would make us soft... Cheers, Muriel Victoria 16:42, 24 Dec 2003 (UTC)

You're now an administrator. -- Tim Starling 12:50, Jan 4, 2004 (UTC)

Hi Bmills, I saw you message to Angela, so I undeleted Irish fiction. The page which explains how to do undeletion is Viewing and restoring deleted pages by sysops. Cheers, Cyan 15:52, 5 Jan 2004 (UTC)


 * Well that confused me. :) Angela. 15:54, Jan 5, 2004 (UTC)

List of notable war heroes
It would seem to you have touched on a few diverse points. #1. I was not concerned you world supplant my POV in the article (I havn't edited it, BTW), but rather the meaning of the phrase. #2 You either doubt my ability to defend my opinion, or cast an unflattering eye apon my positions thus far. I do not share your concern, and I am rather confident that this article, if even under another name, will stand. Reading encyclopedias has been a pleasure of mine since my own personal pre-history, and I have always found them possesing a seemingly innordinate amount of information regarding war, and the men who faught in or guided them. #3. You seem at least vaguely interested in my personal POV, and my opinions of yours. That is something I am willing to discuss, but it might be best to do so outside the wiki. Clearly our opinions are distinctly divergent, and in answer to your specific question, I do not find any application of the word Hero in regards to concientious objectors, Ghandi, or any other passive person. The word hero is ment to be used to describe those who engage in heroics, necessarilly aggressive activities. Jack 11:09, 6 Jan 2004 (UTC)


 * I use a different dictionary, here is mine Hero but whatever. Are you saying you might like to change your vote, or at least abstain? maybe I heard you wrong... Jack 11:23, 6 Jan 2004 (UTC)


 * I will admit that you have placed the crosshairs very well apon my definition of "hero" with your mention of Bogart. But even while I may find him to be the very best actor I have personally experienced (he is!), and strive to personally emulate his rendition of sam spade in my daily life (I do!), I don't think he can be legitimately called a hero for his acting, as it is a passive activity. On the other hand, I find it quite likely that he acted in a heroic manner in other areas of his life, and thereby quite likely legitimately earned the lable ;) Jack 11:41, 6 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Hi B.

It was me who added +VfD to Abuse in Cleanup. I then changed my mind halfway through, since I think the subject probably deserves an article, even if the current one isn't it. So I went back to remove all the VfD notices, but you added it to VfD before I could take +VfD off cleanup. I'm going to boldly remove Abuse from VfD. If you really think it should be there after looking at the article, feel free to add again. DJ Clayworth 16:01, 6 Jan 2004 (UTC)

I deleted Talk:217.60.160.62. I believe you made this by mistake. Maximus Rex 11:17, 7 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for writing it. -- user:zanimum

Featured Articles on Main Page
''Now let's just see what happens. To my eye, it looks like it belongs. Thanks for tidying up. My connection keeps timing out on me because the server is so slow. Bmills 15:46, 13 Jan 2004 (UTC) ''


 * It does look like it belongs. I doubt any but the most avid wikipedians will notice, actually - it's something the eye tends to glance over. FYI - my connection is really slow too. So I have (as I type this) 14 instances of internet explorer open, to every page I might want to go to (Watchlist, recent changes, village pump, my page, et al). It cuts down on the number of *extra* page loads you have to do. &rarr;Raul654 16:01, Jan 13, 2004 (UTC)

No, the Poetry of the U.S. page is great! Phillis Wheatley may or may not be a great poet, but she's def. significant: she was the first published African American and she was feted far and wide. An etching of her in her "I'm thinking of a poem Right. Now." pose is standard in the early chapters of any modern American history textbook. jengod 19:40, Jan 14, 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for the kind words about the Thomas Fitzalan page. I tend to think when I'm writing these articles that they're too prosaic. Anyway, there's lots more articles where that one came from-- take a look through my contributions list. Loren Rosen 07:43, 16 Jan 2004 (UTC)

OK I am persuaded on that point - the expression is in currency, therefore it can have an article. But the article needs to be confined to the statement that we have now reduced it to. It would do the same to scientism as well, but this isn't really my field and others are working on it. Adam 10:15, 16 Jan 2004 (UTC)

You're welcome, but *sigh* my reverts don't seem to have done much good. Nutty H has proven, time and again, his intense obsession with these issues and his utter unwillingness to have things any other way than his own. &#8212; No One Jones (talk) 14:17, 16 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Science of Israel

 * "Science of Israel ...needs serious copyedit by someone who knows some science."

Edited article for grammar and NPOV, hope this was what you had in mind...azwaldo

Article series
Hi, you had previously expressed an interest in Article series. Jengod, Jiang and I disagree on what types of articles are suitable for a series and. Just thought I'd let you know since watchlists aren't usually working these, and only three people have opined at all. Tuf-Kat 07:43, Jan 17, 2004 (UTC)

Internal Links
It's simple. Article_Name#Heading. So this section would be User talk:Bmills. - UtherSRG 13:54, 21 Jan 2004 (UTC) &#x2299;

Socialism and Nazism
Hello Bmills, Socialism and Nazism was listed on VfD by JackLynch on Jan 17, 2004, 11:06, and de-listed (large majority of votes were "keep") by Tannin Jan 18, 2004, 22:40. Latest version with the votes:. Seems somebody forgot to remove the VfD notice from the page. Lupo 14:06, 21 Jan 2004 (UTC)


 * 5 days, isn't it? This was apparently thought to be a clear-cut case that should have never been listed on VfD in the first place, given that it got so quickly so many "keep" votes by respected Wikipedians. There's always an exception to the rule... :-) Lupo 14:56, 21 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Sysop request
Can you help me by a deletion? Hermanshu (whose ideas i will learn from after i get this fixed!) has broken the "Ma" subtree of List of people by name & i want to preserve their work but put the old version back for now. (more will follow immediately) --Jerzy 17:13, 2004 Jan 21 (UTC)

I think what is needed is just to get List of people by name: Mas moved back to List of people by name: Mas-Maz so it can be reverted to Jerzy, and that the only sysop action involved is deletion of the current redir at List of people by name: Mas-Maz. (I hope i'm not confused; well, i'm confused, but i hope i'm not wasting both our time in believing i can't do the move back w/o the deletion, and can't do the deletion even tho it's a history-less redir. Guess i'll try the move if you haven't answered. [smile]) --Jerzy 17:23, 2004 Jan 21 (UTC)

Sorry to have bothered you; RTFM works wonders. --Jerzy 07:46, 2004 Jan 22 (UTC)

Tnx for yr concern; all onky-doory now. (Somewhere i got the impression that it was sysops who could revert a "Move this page" w/o developer; the operation of course explains it quite clearly if you just try it without assuming you already know everything. Of course, after i left my request msg w/ you, and looked to see that the history had survived, it took Tim S to explain to me that when you see something failing to occur, that has to occur, it's worth clearing your cache. [blush] But it all worked wonderfully; tnx. Pretty damn good server! --Jerzy 18:23, 2004 Jan 22 (UTC)

Mr NH
Unless you intend to participate in the proceeding you probably should not add material to Requests for arbitration. It is not the place for presentation of evidence. Fred Bauder 13:50, 23 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Hi, would you mind if I took The Best Page in the Universe off Pages needing attention? That list is long enough as it is, and the article seems fairly complete. Thanks, Meelar 20:47, 25 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Brilliant
Yes! I do like the way things turned out. I also think an excellent idea to give a second chance to the unpromoted articles in the nomination page. What i dont like is the name change to Featured articles, but that doesnt matter as long as they are really our best. Muriel 13:30, 30 Jan 2004 (UTC)

That was an excellent idea! And i'm not back, i'm just in an internet cafe in Rio :) Muriel

Requests_for_adminship
Why the revert? Is it good to give ammunition to an awkward a customer as JL? Pete/Pcb21 (talk) 13:34, 3 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Transient
I completely rewrote transient, eliminating the "auditory" gibberish. But there are some medical articles out there if you do a Google seach for "transient auditory" that the anon MIGHT have had in mind. --Uncle Ed 16:17, 3 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Prynne and poetry
Thanks for the J. H. Prynne page, I'm glad someone else thinks he's good enough to need a page. I had put his name on the English poetry page in the hope that someone would fill the link (but misspelled it, alas - I am living away from my books at present).

Have you looked at English poetry recently, by the way? It is in a dreadful state (the article, I mean, though come to think of it...) - not much more than a set of lists. It deserves so much more...

Oh, and thanks for the endorsement on the requests for adminiship page.

seglea 18:13, 4 Feb 2004 (UTC)

I've added a ToC to Rudyard Kipling's article, as you requested at Featured article candidates. You may, of course, have other objections, and I imagine it's possible to say I did a poor job of it, but if my addition is satisfactory, I thought you might want to know (and possibly to withdraw your objection). Thanks. :) Jwrosenzweig 06:12, 5 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Congratulations on your gaining Bureaucrat rights. Please may I request sysopship on meta? The two relevant pages that should you look at to see if this request is ok are Requests for adminship (where I originally made the request and where it was supported) and Interwiki requests for adminship (where the request got moved too once Brion got too busy to do it. Thanks! Pete/Pcb21 (talk) 14:55, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Admin promotions
Thanks for updating the recently promoted admins, B. --Uncle Ed 16:28, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Thanks, I appreciate it. Was starting to get a bit crowded in there :) Sarge Baldy 21:18, Feb 6, 2004 (UTC)

You might want to list the admins that were created at Administrators. Dori | Talk 21:44, Feb 6, 2004 (UTC)

English poetry
Ah, that's beginning to be more like it! Many thanks for getting on to this one - that is a public benefaction on a grand scale. seglea 17:39, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments at Talk:Medieval literature! I've adopted them all, I think (other than fully clearing out the red). Any other ideas or contributions are very welcome: thanks again! Jwrosenzweig 21:31, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC)

English poetry is a wonderful contribution to the project - an embarassment turned into an asset in not much more than a week. We are in your debt; many thanks (and I learned a lot from reading it) seglea 10:18, 11 Feb 2004 (UTC) (and if you want some amusement, have a look at Brucie, which just crawled off the forest floor).


 * After doing a bunch of minor copyedits, I have put English poetry into the Main Page featured article list. I feel it deserves the exposure - and it will also get the community busy doing (mostly) useful minor additions.  seglea 06:28, 12 Feb 2004 (UTC).  (I also think I have found out who Bruce Patterson is, see Talk:Brucie.  On a more serious note about this, some of my colleages in Eng. Lit. are beginning to turn to the literary analysis of C19 medical and scientific works, and when you stumble on a curiosity like this one, you can quite see why.)


 * Sorry! I had missed that bit of sensible democracy. I've done it properly now. seglea 17:15, 12 Feb 2004 (UTC)  (back on scientific literature: as a psychologist I often think William James was a rather better writer than brother Henry).

Sysops
Did you mean to make Kaihsu and Meelar sysops on Meta? I've not added them to the updated list (Administrators) as I assumed it was accidental as you were meant to make them sysops on en. Angela. 00:29, Feb 7, 2004 (UTC)

Hi, and thanks for the sysopping. I was wondering--is there some sort of FAQ or something about how to use sysop powers? For example, when examining other users' contributions, I don't see a "rollback" link, as Administrators says I should be able to. Nor is there an "Edit this page" option available on protected pages. And how does one go about deleting a page? A message from the oh-so-technically-challenged Meelar 04:50, 7 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Hi, are you around at the moment? Small favor to ask: I have requested four pages to be protected on Requests for page protection. Can you take care of it for me if you have a moment? TIA -- Viajero 11:16, 11 Feb 2004 (UTC)


 * Thanks! -- Viajero 11:41, 11 Feb 2004 (UTC)

John S. Johnson
Maybe it's time to take a short rest, drink a coffee or something. It seems you start to see ghosts, or why did you change the birthyear of John S. Johnson. 1873 was perfectly correct, only the "living" should have been in past tense. I cannot see anything else what could you make believe he still rode the bik in 2003 :-) andy 11:41, 13 Feb 2004 (UTC)