User talk:Bobak/January 2011 - June 2024

DYK for First Baptist Church (Bakersfield, California)
Thanks for your contribution Victuallers (talk) 03:54, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Bakersfield California Building
Thank you for your contribution Victuallers (talk) 10:06, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Ault Store
Hello! Your submission of Ault Store at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! The Bushranger One ping only 19:25, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Um... we're not done yet. Please come back to the DYK page to discuss. --Orlady (talk) 03:36, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Justia
I have mixed feelings Justia and linking in general. I like that Justia has a lot of decisions and is free, but I don't like the ads or the formatting and I don't know if its reliable or will be there tomorrow. If we were talking about Canadian law, the choice to link to canlii would be obvious (or its counterpart in most other common law countries), but I don't think Justia or any other site (findlaw, Cornell, GoogleScholar, supremecourt.gov, etc.) is that good for US opinions. I've been talking to some of my more techni-capable friends about the possibility of doing something like what Wikipedia currently does for ISBNs; that would at least give people a choice between these options. However, as things stand, I see only marginal value in linking to any of these sites in footnotes. Given that I don't think any of the sites I mentioned are that compatible with the values of Wikipedia, I don't like the idea of propping them up with ad revenue through my or anyone else's labor (with the exception of Cornell, but they don't have any old decisions). I am more supportive of linking to these in infoboxes and external links sections than in footnotes. I do acknowledge that legal citations aren't the most accessible thing in the world to non-lawyers, and remain open to ways to improve this, but I'm not ready to external link to any of the aforementioned sites in footnotes as of yet. Savidan 04:38, 14 January 2011 (UTC)


 * And, by the way, I don't like west/lexis either. I think the "keycite" is worthless. The only useful features they have are automatically generating links and their version of the "what links here" feature (which they don't even do that well for older cases), plus the ability to search within jurisdictions. My hope is that a free site will emerge with these features soon, and without ads---after all, the decisions are in the public domain. Sure, the integration with secondary sources and the manually generated negative history feature (which again, isn't that good) would be hard for a free site, but I for one could do without these. However, I'm don't provide west/lexis specific citations (except for unreported decisions). Readers could theoretically take reporter citations and plug them into the free, proprietary, or hard-copy source of their choice. Savidan 04:56, 14 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Also, the infobox links are automatically generated. The fact that the infobox can create these links with only the U.S. Reports cite give me hope that what I've described above is possible. Savidan 05:20, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Jackie (dog)
Materialscientist (talk) 06:04, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Great to see you at the Wikipedia Tenth Anniversary Meet-up
Hi, Bobak,

I'm glad you took the time with DW to visit the meet-up yesterday. I was fascinated to hear about the amusement park. I've been near that lake, to visit friends, but didn't realize that there was something like that farther west than Excelsior from the Twin Cities. I've been finding new sources to add to the source lists I keep in my user space to help wikipedians source articles on the more controversial topics where I usually edit. Bopping by articles on your contributions list will always be a good way for me to have a change of pace. Keep up the good work. -- WeijiBaikeBianji (talk, how I edit) 21:35, 16 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks! It was great to see you again and I'm really happy I was able to make it out --even for a bit.  Spending time looking at NRHP listings has occasionally revealed some fascinating, if not semi-forgotten historical quirks from around the state, definitely join us on those projects whenever you feel like it! :-) --Bobak (talk) 22:19, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Winter Saloon
HJ Mitchell &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   00:09, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Edward T. Archibald House
HJ Mitchell &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   06:04, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Online Ambassadors
I saw the quality of your contributions at DYK and clicked on over to your user page and was pretty impressed. Would you be interested in helping with the WP:Online_Ambassadors program? It's really a great opportunity to help university students become Wikipedia contributers. I hope you apply to become an ambassador, Sadads (talk) 03:17, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
 * You could ask Sage to limit the number of mentees you get until you actually figure out how much time you have free during the semester. Even if you do one or two, the help would be greatly appreciated (we are looking at 500+ students this semester), Sadads (talk) 03:17, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Ault Store
— HJ Mitchell &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   12:04, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

McCants Stewart
I have reviewed your article for DYK and have also made a few minor amendments. Two comments: unfortunately, the link to the Broussard book only goes to the first page of the article, as it appears to need a subscription. Should this be mentioned in the reference? Secondly, an article on the father would be an interesting addition to Wikipedia. Best wishes. -- Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 06:57, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, I noticed the father was quite interesting; I think he'll be my next bio article when I get around to it (there are plenty of materials about him online). I forgot about the JSTOR article having the sub requirement, I just accessed it through the University of Minnesota Library System but I forget that I'm an adjunct so it let's me pass-through. I'll throw a mention in the ref --a surprising number of academic institutions offer free access to JSTOR, and given the numbers of college students on Wikipedia, I'll go ahead and include a mention/link of that too. --Bobak (talk) 17:05, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

DYK for McCants Stewart
— HJ Mitchell &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   12:02, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Bridge No. L-5573
— HJ Mitchell &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   18:02, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Grand Hotel (New Ulm, Minnesota)
Hello! Your submission of Grand Hotel (New Ulm, Minnesota) at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! . Thanks, Around The Globe  सत्यमेव जयते 08:02, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

DYK for New Ulm Oil Company Service Station
— HJ Mitchell &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   06:02, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Grand Hotel (New Ulm, Minnesota)
Materialscientist (talk) 00:03, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

Edit War
Hi. Can you pleas have a look at here? Regards, --Verman1 (talk) 17:06, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

Help requested on deleted images
Bobak, Next time you stop by SHPO I would like to talk to you about. It is quite madding to go through all the work on my end here at MHS and then have someone delete them over a year later with no debate. VernoWhitney also attempted to delete more images on but it looks like he didn't understand copyright law fully before be attempted to delete them. I am hope you might either have ideas or provide some insight on this.

Myotus (talk) 14:32, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi Joe, I'll try to come in this week --I apologize for the delay. This sort of thing irks me as well.  --Bobak (talk) 05:15, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Alt names
Where they belong is not really a big deal to me, rather how they got deleted without discussion is puzzling. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 23:25, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

AFD Discussion
FYI: There is an AFD discussion at Articles for deletion/Directional Michigan (3rd nomination) you may be interested in. You participated in previous discussions on the topic, so I am sending you a notification.--Paul McDonald (talk) 20:36, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

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Survey for new page patrollers
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New NRHP listing in Olmsted County, MN
Hi Bobak ... Since you've contributed a number of photos to National Register of Historic Places listings in Olmsted County, Minnesota, I thought you might want to be aware that a new listing was announced today ... the Bernike Family Barn at 5209 Co. Rd. 21 NE., Farmington Township. If you're in the neighborhood, it would be nice to keep that list complete with photos. Thanks for your efforts! --sanfranman59 (talk) 21:59, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

The Aguinaldo and delegates Picture
Hi Bobak,

The picture you posted of Aguinaldo and delegates in the Philippine revolution appears to be one taken much much later. Firstly, Mr. Aguinaldo appears to be older than he was in his 1898 and 1899 pictures. Likewise, the fashion of the people around him appear to be worn in the height of the American colonization of the Philippines. Unless the persons in the picture with Mr. Aguinaldo can be identified to be members of the 1898-1899 Malolos Constitutional Convention, I do not think it was taken during the Philippine revolution (note lastly that the place does not look like Barasoain church where there are existing pictures of the convention).

Just my two cents worth,

A.M.R. Gonzalez — Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.55.181.229 (talk) 11:37, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the feedback, the information I added to that caption/photo when I uploaded it would've been from the source it was taken from --I tend to upload public domain photos from a variety of sources when they have historical interest. --Bobak (talk) 07:50, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

MSU Interview
Dear Bobak,

My name is Jonathan Obar user:Jaobar, I'm a professor in the College of Communication Arts and Sciences at Michigan State University and a Teaching Fellow with the Wikimedia Foundation's Education Program. This semester I've been running a little experiment at MSU, a class where we teach students about becoming Wikipedia administrators. Not a lot is known about your community, and our students (who are fascinated by wiki-culture by the way!) want to learn how you do what you do, and why you do it. A while back I proposed this idea (the class) to the community HERE, were it was met mainly with positive feedback. Anyhow, I'd like my students to speak with a few administrators to get a sense of admin experiences, training, motivations, likes, dislikes, etc. We were wondering if you'd be interested in speaking with one of our students.

So a few things about the interviews:
 * Interviews will last between 15 and 30 minutes.
 * Interviews can be conducted over skype (preferred), IRC or email. (You choose the form of communication based upon your comfort level, time, etc.)
 * All interviews will be completely anonymous, meaning that you (real name and/or pseudonym) will never be identified in any of our materials, unless you give the interviewer permission to do so.
 * All interviews will be completely voluntary. You are under no obligation to say yes to an interview, and can say no and stop or leave the interview at any time.
 * The entire interview process is being overseen by MSU's institutional review board (ethics review). This means that all questions have been approved by the university and all students have been trained how to conduct interviews ethically and properly.

Bottom line is that we really need your help, and would really appreciate the opportunity to speak with you. If interested, please send me an email at obar@msu.edu (to maintain anonymity) and I will add your name to my offline contact list. If you feel comfortable doing so, you can post your name HERE instead.

If you have questions or concerns at any time, feel free to email me at obar@msu.edu. I will be more than happy to speak with you.

Thanks in advance for your help. We have a lot to learn from you.

Sincerely,

Jonathan Obar --Jaobar (talk) 15:52, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Edit-a-thon at Hennepin County Library
The Minnesota Wikipedia community and local historians are invited to edit entries in Wikipedia on Minneapolis history. Please help increase the depth of information on Minneapolis history topics by utilizing materials in the Minneapolis Collection. Find your own Minneapolis History topics to edit or work from a list developed by Special Collections Librarians.
 * Minneapolis History edit-a-thon

Where: Minneapolis Central Library, 300 Nicollet Mall, Minneapolis

When: Saturday, February 25, 2012, 10-5 pm

10 am - 11 am Orientation to Minneapolis Collection

11 am - 5 pm Edit-a-thon Website: Hennepin County Library, Special Collections, Map & Directions

Parking: Metered street parking or pay ramp in basement, enter on 4th Ave

For more information see Wikipedia talk:Meetup/Minnesota. &mdash;innotata 00:20, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Great American Wiknic
In the area? You're invited to the Great American Wiknic.

Place: near Minnehaha Falls at Minnehaha Park, Minneapolis

Date: Saturday, July 7, 2012 (rain date July 8)

Time: 12–3 pm


 * Accessible from the Minnehaha Park light rail station, bus, walk, bike, or car
 * If driving, free parking available at 46th Ave. S, and pay parking in the park
 * Food and drink options nearby, or bring your own... maybe even to share!

See the meetup talk page for more. &mdash;innotata 23:55, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Issue at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places
Could you comment at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject National_Register of Historic Places?

This is regarding a key part of the upcoming WLM-US photo contest. Smallbones (talk) 12:24, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Sports soon

 * Coming soon, - a good time to polish article and blurb, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:18, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
 * w00t! --Bobak (talk) 17:29, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Los Angeles Athletic Club


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Removing Speedy at Los Angeles Athletic Club
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Arabic
Hi, Bobak! Do you speak Arabic? If so, would you mind adding an Arabic description to File:2011-0209-Dubai-MOE-Pinkberry.jpg? Thanks WhisperToMe (talk) 18:12, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the delayed response: I don't speak Arabic, unfortunately. --Bobak (talk) 15:11, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Ah, ok. Thanks for the feedback :) WhisperToMe (talk) 20:02, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia Loves Libraries event
In the area? You are invited to Wikipedia Loves Libraries in Minneapolis.

Hennepin County Library's Special Collections is hosting a Minneapolis history editathon on November 3. Help increase the depth of information on Minneapolis history topics by using materials in the Minneapolis Collection. Find your own topics to edit or work from a list developed by Special Collections librarians.

There will also be an intro for people new to Wikipedia, and tours of Special Collections.

Where: Minneapolis Central Library, 300 Nicollet Mall, Minneapolis

Special Collections (4th floor)

When: 10am-4:30pm, Saturday, November 3, 2012

For more info and to sign up (not required), see the meetup talk page. &mdash;innotata 13:15, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

File:Beijing smog comparison August 2005.png
Hi! I'm thinking of posting it on the request board to have someone make a Mandarin description, but at File:Beijing smog comparison August 2005.png is it usual to have a first person description? I think it may be better to have a shorter description written in the third person, like "Two photos taken in the same location in Beijing in August 2005. The photograph on the left was taken after it had rained for two days. The right photograph shows smog covering Beijing in what would otherwise be a sunny day." - The licensing info can be moved to a separate template that can be applied to all of your pictures.

Thanks WhisperToMe (talk) 20:05, 31 October 2012 (UTC)


 * That's fine with me. I actually changed it to a first person perspective because early on people were saying the caption was backwards and would alter it. I finally made it clear that, "no, as the photographer that's what happened". --Bobak (talk) 22:49, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Cool beans! For an example of a user license template see Commons:User:raboe001/licence WhisperToMe (talk) 01:14, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Requesting protection of several Notre Dame football pages
Hi Bobak, I am requesting protection for the 2012 Notre Dame Fighting Irish football team and for Notre Dame Fighting Irish football through the 2013 BCS title game, on Jan 7, 2013. I am already starting to see reverted edits by registered editors on these pages and I think to make all our lives easier it would be prudent to protect these pages, given the magnitude of Alabama and Notre Dame for the national title and the media circus that is sure to ensue. Thanks! Tedmoseby (talk) 03:16, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Khaled Holmes headshot
You should've not reverted my changes to File:2012-1103-USC-HolmesKhaled.jpg. The current format of the image stretches the infobox content too far to the bottom. Landscape format (with a picture just including the person's face) looks much better (see e.g. Vince Wilfork, or Everson Griffen). --bender235 (talk) 17:15, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Create a new, cropped image, don't destroy the original. That's not my license. It's free to adapt the work (and plenty have with my thousands of other photos), but not by replacing the original. --Bobak (talk)
 * Okay. But the original was not destroyed. It was still there, in the version history. --bender235 (talk) 14:33, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry if I came off harsh. I just tend to find some of my images totally changed and I occasionally get into it with commercial websites that use my images without citation (a photo I took of the LA Coliseum surprises me for how popular it was... the Pac-12 even used it in their teaser commercial). Here's an example of a photo of mine on Commons that other users have chopped up for other photos but kept them listed as "derivative works" linked in the original. --Bobak (talk) 14:57, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Is that okay? --bender235 (talk) 16:21, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Perfect, thanks! I went ahead and connected the two through their license tag "other versions". --Bobak (talk) 14:45, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * A very pleasant surprise, thanks! --Bobak (talk) 00:56, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion nomination of McGraw-Hill Construction


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 * Nothing like Wikipedia users who prefer to tear down borderline line photos rather than build them up. It must make them feel like bigger human beings than they are in real life. --Bobak (talk) 14:04, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

Nomination of List of papabili in the 2013 papal conclave for deletion
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Kindly observe the following

 *  In general, it is perfectly acceptable to notify other editors of ongoing discussions, provided that it is done with the intent to improve the quality of the discussion by broadening participation to more fully achieve consensus (WP:CAN) . - The general notice written on your talk page did not include any reference, tone or words that could be interpreted as trying to influence the outcome of a discussion towards one side of a debate.


 * After desperately trying to get balanced discussion going an extremely difficult situation arised i.e. stalemate. A possible precedent may have been set in regards to media journalism and media speculation as the predominant source. We needed as many sharp pencils as we had in the box i.e. editors-administrators with experience to solve the policy & guideline conundrum. It was simply a plee for help in getting Wikipedia  heads together solving a problem concering alleged speculation and contested sources. I am sorry you took the message for something else. The post on the Talk Page was forthright, simply  and neutral without breaking any clear WP guideline. I'm sorry some editors jumped so fast to other more sinister conclusions. Let's just assume the good faith in the future. --JamboQueen (talk) 20:39, 20 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Please don't misquote policy and Wikilawyer me. I'm both an admin on Wikipedia and a real life lawyer. Please stop this ridiculous behavior. --Bobak (talk) 20:46, 20 March 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm not misquoting policy. My post on the talk page did in any sense of the word violate WP:CAN policy. You have taken a quite unWikpedian tone with me and I think in all of this the burden of proof lies with the accuser.


 * PS
 * I kindly thank you for presenting me your most assuring jurisprudential credentials. Unfortunately my old world understated peculiarity made me withheld my very same academic background from your astute awareness. Shall we simply assume good faith and leave the unfortunate misunderstanding to it's proper resting place. --JamboQueen (talk) 15:25, 21 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Please stop bothering me. You need to own up to your mistake and move on. --Bobak (talk) 15:26, 21 March 2013 (UTC)


 * I have not admitted to anything. In the future I hope you refrain from spreading false accusations. I would have hoped you'd owned up to your name tag "administrator" on your user page and advised in the deletion discussion in a policywise manner. For my part I apologize if I have disturbed your secluded Wikipedia existence. It will not happen again. All the best, --JamboQueen (talk) 15:47, 21 March 2013 (UTC)


 * There are no false accusations. You spammed people who had nothing to do with the article. I wasn't the only one to point that out. Please see other comments to you here, here, here, and here. Just because you clear your talk page doesn't mean I can't see your history of warnings. That is a blatant violation of policy. Learn and move on. --Bobak (talk) 16:19, 21 March 2013 (UTC)


 * You selectively pick from posts & discussions to fit your continued offensive line of accusations and a most unbecoming tone. It is indeed regrettable that you where not the only one that stooped to hasted reasoning and a overreactive response. You of course omit  to mention that I was thanked for my input and corrective work on the article in question. Be more correct next time and read all what is needed, Here, Here,  Here and Here. I am distressed  that you actively continue  this truly unfriendly line of accusations when everyone else understood after being informed  or admonished to immediately back down in reverend silence. I of course took it for granted that 'Qui tacet consentire videtur, ubi loqui debuit ac potuit' was quite valid in this case. I will not have  time to answer anymore unkind or false remarks. I offer peace and good faith! Let's just stop here and wipe the slate clean and try to make Wikipedia a better encyclopedia. All the best you. Over and Out --JamboQueen (talk) 17:27, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
 * You seem to be unable to accept your actions as wrong. I hope you never try to become an admin because this will come up. You also have the problem of not being able to let go when you've been corrected. You need to keep having the last word, even when it's incorrect. Time to grow up. --Bobak (talk) 17:33, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Possibly unfree File:HuntingtonBeach-1904.jpg
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 * I see you're getting your kicks out of following me around. LOL. Kind of sad, really. --Bobak (talk) 21:30, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

MIA NRHPs in MN
I thought I'd share something with you on the off chance it might be helpful. As I've been checking map coordinates on MN's NRHP listings I've been making a list, initially for my own purposes, of properties that are possibly demolished or uncertain at User:Mcghiever/NRHP. -McGhiever (talk) 15:19, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
 * That's a good idea, I've actually been just contacting the NRHP person at SHPO whenever I know 100% a building is gone. Often this means going out there (or getting Google/Bing aerial confirmation) and comparing it to the file in the SHPO office whenever I happen to visit. I actually was going to be confirming the Richardson Barn in Anoka is gone this week at the file as I was just over there earlier today. Meanwhile I did confirm the Farmers Cooperative Mercantile Company of West Stanford in Isanti is gone just by using the Bird's Eye on Bing which, depending on the direction you view, shows a building and then it's rubble. Just wanted to mention that the NRHP person takes a while to actually update the register--the Albertville Roller Mill and another house in Cologne I know are gone, told them, but they haven't updated the register yet... it's slow. --Bobak (talk) 21:23, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, it would be great to work on this collaboratively. You and others would be welcome to make notes at User:Mcghiever/NRHP, or we could move it to another namespace if that's more sensible. -McGhiever (talk) 14:42, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Great, look forward to collaborating with you! --Bobak (talk) 16:16, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi, guys. Collaboration on a list of confirmed lost places is a great idea. I could add a few in my neck of the woods I know are gone. Jonathunder (talk) 16:51, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Sweet! I was hoping to see you and Elkman contribute :) --Bobak (talk) 19:45, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I've moved the whole shebang to Talk:National Register of Historic Places listings in Minnesota for greater accessibility. -McGhiever (talk) 19:18, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

St. Cloud State Prison
I see you got a picture of Minnesota Correctional Facility – St. Cloud. I went there once and tried to take a picture, but a security guard came over and told me that I could not take a photo there. She was sort of apologetic about it, but she asked me to delete the photo. I think she was implying that if just anyone took a photo, inmates could use it to find a way to escape, or people on the outside could find a way to tunnel under the structure and help prisoners escape, or who knows what. I'm glad to see you were more successful than I was. --Elkman (Elkspeak) 04:48, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Yeah, my strategy for spots like that is a combination of feigning innocence and moving quickly. With active prisons I've learned it's best to prepare your camera ahead of time (full auto, can't be picky), then drive onto the site and snap a photo from the car before anyone can figure out what to do. Lucky me: I arrived during a shift change so the lot was full of officers getting ready for the day, and several looked at me (my car stuck out) but no one approached me, I took a quick snap (I would've preferred straight-on, but that was where all the officers were walking--you can see them in the photo), so I took the angle shot. Luckily the historic features are right there at the entrance. A few years ago, when I tracked down the State School/Hospital for the Feeble Minded in Faribault, I found that it was not only converted into a prison--but all the historic buildings weren't visible at the perimeter but are in the middle. I did walk up to the fence with my camera and snapped a few shots of older looking buildings--but a guard politely shooed me away. I later compared my shots to the photos at SHPO and found the buildings weren't visible. Meanwhile, out in California, the land for the Sequoia Field- Visalia-Dinuba School of Aeronautics, a former WWII training facility, is now partly converted into a prison--there I was able to go into the parking lot, walk to the fence, and snap this shot that doesn't reveal the prison. But back to Minnesota: I think for some of these sites that are hidden, like Faribault and the now highly-restricted Center Building-Minnesota Hospital for The Insane in St. Peter we can either schedule tours (I think the latter does) or simply ask SHPO to upload a good photo to their Flickr under a compatible license like they've been willing before. --Bobak (talk) 05:05, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Daniel Pennie House
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Upcoming Wikipedia meetups
In the area? You are invited to the upcoming Minnesota meetups.

To kick-off monthly meetups in the Twin Cities, two events will be held in Special Collections at Minneapolis Central Library this summer. These are mostly planned as opportunities for Wikipedians to discuss editing, but all are welcome!

Special Collections contains many valuable historical resources, including the Minneapolis Collection, consisting of files on hundreds of topics related to Minneapolis from neighborhoods to politicians (it's best to call or email in advance to request materials). Free wifi and several public computers are available.

Place: Minneapolis Central Library, 300 Nicollet Mall, Minneapolis

Special Collections (4th floor)

Dates: Saturday, June 1

Saturday, July 6

Time: 12:30pm–2:30pm+

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Great American Wiknic
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Place: north of Minnehaha Falls in Minnehaha Park, Minneapolis

Date: Saturday, June 22, 2012

Time: 12–4 pm


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 * I'll be damned, I guess I did make that article 7 years ago... a better move would've been to just create a redirect rather than leaving a blank article. I've gone ahead and done that for you. --Bobak (talk) 15:13, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Minnesota Wikipedia Meetup on August 3
In the area? You are invited to the upcoming Minnesota monthly meetup on August 3.

Place: Lavvu Coffee House

813 4th St SE, Minneapolis 55414

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Phillip Frost
Sir - I noticed you changed the article Phillip Frost today. You moved the part where his whole name is given from the second paragraph to the lead. I kinda liked it the way it was and was about to revert your edit. But first I looked at your user page and see you are about ten times more experienced at Wikipedia than I am. Frost is very famous here in Miami. He is mentioned in the Miami Herald about once a day. And he is always referred to as "Phillip Frost". That's why I put his entire name later in the article. Could you say why it's better in the lead? Thanks. GroveGuy (talk) 03:35, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Firouz Mirza Nosrat-ed-Dowleh Farman Farmaian III
Hi Bobak. I am referring to a very old statement you put on the discussion page of this article (it's still there). I completely agree with your first statement that the title is way too long. But not with your choice of the new title, which is still incorrect (and still way too long!). According to my wife, who is Nosrat-ed-Dowleh's grand-daughter, the correct article title should be "Firouz Nosrat-ed-Dowleh III". He was called (formally) "Nosrat-ed-Dowleh", which was his title. I went a few years ago at a small ceremony in his memory at the UNO in Geneva, and this is the name he was known by when he was ambassador of the Persian Empire at the League of Nations. The “III" refers to this title, and not to "Farman Farmaian". "Farman Farmaian" is by the way totally incorrect. His correct (more familiar) name was "Firouz Firouz". (The first "Firouz" is simply his first name). The second one is the family name he chose for himself when it became compulsory to do so. "Farman Farmaian" was the family name chosen by his father, but since Nosrat-ed-Dowleh was by this time an adult he could perfectly choose differently, which he did. All his descendants have the family name "Firouz" (he had two sons: Iradj Firouz, my wife's father, and Shahkroh Firouz, who is still alive). Finally the "Mirza" should be removed too: as we all know, this just means "Prince" in Persian. Sapphorain (talk) 08:44, 6 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Good timing, I actually changed my opinion on this article over the years but had forgot what the name was! Thanks for bringing it back up, I'll move it now that I remember which one it was. Cheers! --Bobak (talk) 16:04, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi again, thanks! I just noticed there is a similar problem with his father Abdol-Hossein Mirza Farmanfarma which should also be redirected to "Abdol-Hossein Farmanfarma" for the same reason. By the way, there are a number of redundancies within this last article, such as "Prince Such-And-Such Mirza Farmanfarmaian", in which (at least) one of the equivalent titles "Prince" and "Mirza" should each time be suppressed: which one do you think should be kept (if any)? (I'll do it)Sapphorain (talk) 22:53, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
 * If you understand it, feel free to take the initiative! --Bobak (talk) 01:16, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia Day Meetup on January 18
In the area? You are invited to the upcoming Minnesota meetup in commemoration of Wikipedia Day.


 * Place: Seward Cafe


 * 2129 E Franklin Ave, Minneapolis, MN 55404


 * Date: Saturday, January 18, 2014


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Terrace Theater
Hello, Bobak. I hope you are well. I am saddened by the news about Terrace Theater. Will you be able to get photos of it while it still stands? Jonathunder (talk) 15:52, 2 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Thinking about rolling by it today, actually! Too bad Pig Ate My Pizza is closed on Tuesdays, haha. --Bobak (talk) 16:04, 2 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Tried to take a few pics, honestly the building's setting is such that a late afternoon time (even sunset) would probably do the best for lighting. It's really deteriorated in the last year or so; as I was taking pictures I had a nice old man (who was driving a cab) come by to ask me if I was hunting "pokey-man" with my iPhone, and once I told him what I was actually doing he said he noticed the deterioration was speeding up. If I can, I'll try to go back later to take a new photo of the marquee, that tower is in worse shape than the current 2012 photo, much more faded. --Bobak (talk) 23:20, 2 August 2016 (UTC)


 * The Pokemon thing is funny. Apparently, it uses mostly the same set of sites as an older augmented reality game called Ingress, which in turn relies on which places Wikipedia defines as notable. And when the historic place is gone, the gamers may still be there in an empty parking lot. Jonathunder (talk) 00:09, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

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Two-Factor Authentication now available for admins
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Photo requests
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Meetup
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Ted Karras, Jr.
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St. Cloud, April 15, 2017: Wikipedia as Social Activism
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12 years of editing and on your birthday, no less!
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UCSF project
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FYI
Look familiar? 

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Minneapolis RfCs
Your input at 1, 2, or 3 would be most welcome. -SusanLesch (talk) 18:39, 30 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Those discussions remind me of why I keep a low profile on Wikipedia: I can't stand some of the editors, as the site rewards people with bad social behavior. I don't know enough about these issues to form an opinion. --Bobak (talk) 22:35, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks. Please keep making pictures! -SusanLesch (talk) 15:39, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

Moderne vs. Streamline Moderne
I mostly edit NRHP articles, and while I don't know why this one in particular is on my watchlist, I noticed your edit at Milaca Municipal Hall. Good call, there is no way that the photo there is showing Streamline Moderne architecture. I see that was baked in from the 2007 creation of the article. Your edit changed text but not categories; the article could/should have a Moderne architecture category I guess (though based on the photo i am not sure it is a great example of that, so I am not choosing to put that in myself).

FYI, there has been a long-running confusion/misdirection in categories in particular i guess, from one or a number of editors' apparent lack of understanding of distinction of the types of architecture. Moderne was understood by someone to mean Streamline moderne, which was not correct; my understanding is that streamline has to involve curving shapes as in ships like the SS Normandie and buildings shaped that way e.g. Normandie Hotel (in Puerto Rico, a notable early example I think), right? Unfortunately there was a category redirect long in place (for many years...from 2015 to 2019) which changed categories. It was a category redirect, from Category:Moderne architecture, to Category:Streamline Moderne architecture (or Category:Streamline Moderne architecture in the United States actually, whether or not a place is located in the U.S.!). This caused a bot to automatically change/update categories in the articles that were in the category, i.e. implementing a mistake in many, perhaps most, cases. So I suspect that there are a lot of mistakes in the current Streamline moderne category, maybe particularly within the many U.S. subcategories, which could be addressed by reviewing their articles. Over time the articles have likely become more developed with photos and links to NRHP source documents which allows checking more easily. I'd support, maybe help in, an initiative to try to make such corrections systematically, if you'd be interested?

Anyhow, thanks and keep up your good work! Cheers, --Doncram (talk) 16:27, 24 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Thank you! Yeah, I was looking through a lot of modernist (broadly defined) buildings in Minnesota for a separate project and when I glanced at the article (as much for the link to the NPS page with the application) that stuck out. The funny thing is it's described in a notable source (which was footnoted in the NRHP application) as being closer to Arts & Crafts. I doesn't even quite fall into PWA Moderne. There are a couple of these odd ones out in Minnesota. --Bobak (talk)


 * I added NRHP nom doc to article, and moved away from statement that the building is Moderne, to merely say that the nom asserted it is Moderne. The authors seem to assert it must be PWA Moderne or Moderne because it is a WPA project?  The panel above the front door looks maybe Art Deco to me, but I don't see Art Deco mentioned in the NRHP nom doc and I don't see anything else Moderne at all about the building.
 * About Moderne in Minnesota, there is Category:Moderne architecture in Minnesota with 15 members and Category:Streamline Moderne architecture in Minnesota with three. The first one of the latter that i look at, Farmers and Mechanics Savings Bank (1942), from its photo is obviously not Streamline by my understanding, though that was asserted in first version of article. It cites a " AIA Guide to the Twin Cities: The Essential Source on the Architecture of Minneapolis and St. Paul", which I don't have, but IMO there is something wrong in general with these, given now generally available definitions of the terms. Would u support some polite discussion happening at WikiProject Minnesota, perhaps? --Doncram (talk) 21:52, 25 March 2020 (UTC)


 * I might be able to make some time for that. The project I've been working on is for the Minnesota chapter of Docomomo International; specifically the beast of a Registry I've been assembling (be sure to click on the map). It's involved looking up thousands of building. --Bobak (talk) 21:56, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

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 * Thanks for the heads up, found a good substitute source. Bobak (talk) 16:41, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

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Greetings, Bobak. Long time no see. Do you have time to make a photo of the Owamni restaurant at St. Anthony Falls? I also asked McGhiever and Jonathunder, and previously asked Schwerdf who was kind enough to change his license for us. I've looked through almost 2,000 images and think this one is the best quality but the photographer didn't answer my request for a free license. This might help resolve a long running dispute at Minneapolis (and if memory serves you used to contribute to WP:FOOD). Thanks either way. -SusanLesch (talk) 17:41, 28 October 2022 (UTC)


 * I have some photos handy of the inside I think, as well as food as I've been several times, but I may be able to get an outside shot in the daytime soon. I wish I'd seen this earlier because I was right by it this morning (not eating there, just next to it). Just an exterior shot like the one above? Bobak (talk) 19:27, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Bobak, thank you. You might already have what we need. The Chicago Tribune had another great photo. Sorry I've been advised to remove myself from this image dispute but Collin (User:Bobamnertiopsis) knows the city. I'm on wikibreak until after the election. Best wishes. -SusanLesch (talk) 15:15, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

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 * Thank you! --Bobak (talk) 04:50, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

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 * I have restored your talk-page access to allow you to respond to the concerns at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents. If you have any sort of explanation to give, I would encourage you to do so very soon. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 07:53, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you for not locking my talkpage. Here's the path through my perspective:
 * A user came onto this talkpage to tell me I shouldn't make a snarky comment *about myself* in an edit history. I thought it was silly and removed it, noting "That was such an embarrassing comment (telling me how I can and cannot tease *myself*), that I am removing it out of courtesy." I didn't notice the title was a different -- it's an assumption to assume someone will see that the "1206447179/1206450949" in the title and "1203994737/1203994826" in the body of the post were different, frankly I've never seen that format before. Usually people just do this. As suck, I just read the message. To me it sounded weird, like someone might think they were being cute(?) but I read it as a passive aggressive comment by someone who I did not know and reverted.
 * I care about the accuracy of Wikipedia, and can't stand lazy research (like not knowing the CSU system is 23 universities when the very linked article explained that...). I don't bother to check who edited it before (this isn't a site for targeted, personalized gripes), it's a comment on the problems of the entire Project.
 * The "who, specifically, was I attacking? LOL." was based on the above: I didn't know it was GreenC. Who on earth would bother to go back and sort through hundreds of edits to call out some individual user? The point of Wikipedia is the contributors are anonymous and forgotten—that's how it's always been. To assume someone knows or cares about non-vandalizing edits by another editor is a bit, I dunno but I don't mean this insulting: super hardcore and not what regular people would think. I simply removed the comments because it was read, and removed. There's no requirement that a user keep up the message of another user on their talkpage.
 * Here's where things get strange: Drmies apparently wanted to keep fighting me on my own talkpage. That's not okay. I don't know why a 3rd person decided to come into it, so I have a zero-tolerance for that kind of "you need to sit here and deal with it" attitude on my own talkpage (maybe it's because I'm a lawyer). To me that is using the TalkPage to bully other users and make them feel like they are in trouble, this is why so many people do not want to participate on the Project anymore, it has a reputation for users making contributors feel like someone's going to use byzantine rules and bureaucratic procedure to strangle the life and motivation out of them. I genuinely believe that. Hence the removal of the edit with the comment: "Take your straight-up internet bullying harassment and go tell someone who cares. This is why good editors don't want anything to do with your lifers" -- the passive aggressive threats are what scare people out of wanting to be good Wikipedians.
 * As for "what a waste of human effort" & "who the hell cares" were in reference to the massive amounts of talkpage spam that I removed. Turns out a person saw it and removed the last batch, I assumed they were automated. Getting alerts for these things that waste limited time online are a pain for everyone. This was not directly part of the apparently hot dispute between GreenC & Drmies which I discovered upon logging in today.
 * So because of the conflict of personalities above, taking place on my talkpage, I've been indefinitely blocked. Frankly, I believe the Wikipedia block function should not be weaponized by users who are simply annoyed by another. That's my personal view. Clearly, I'm not in the majority, and this site operates on consensus. Per El_C, there's a concern I'm going to do something off my talkpage? I do not see where that concern came from, other than the above series of miscommunications.
 * My role on this Project over the past several years has been steady: Since I moderate the largest forum on college football on the internet, whenever trolls & other garden-variety idiots boast about vandalizing something here, I sweep in, revert and/or lock it down. As a part time media member with access to the top events, I share whatever images I can to enrich articles (e.g. like this year's national championship). I am consistent in my work and never vandalize or weaponize bans. I once had my photos from the Jan 2023 national championship caught up in months of review because someone didn't assume good faith and put it through a bureaucratic nightmare saying I had taken photos from a TV (despite countless obvious counterexamples from the same event) —that burned me quite a bit, and I feel there are moments where this Project has become hampered by the individuals disrupting those who are actually adding to it and providing the public-facing content.
 * So, after explaining my thought process during the events that brought us here:
 * Clearly, I have upset GreenC. I'm sorry I upset you, that was not my intention. I mean that sincerely and without any reservation. I don't know what the situation is with Drmies, other than he suddenly appeared on my talkpage to defend GreenC, it's great that they're friends. I don't have any animosity there, and sincerely apologize to that person as well -- furthermore, I know this is a time of transition for the Tide (hey, on the plus side, someone had to take Kalen's photo!).
 * My edit comments have certainly had snark without actually targeting or calling-out a specific individual (or intending to), unless it was dismissing items on this talkpage. I can certainly change that to be adequately milquetoast.
 * I sense that I'm being lined up as an edge that needs to be filed by some who find me too jagged, so I'll leave it here. --Bobak (talk) 23:30, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I've lifted the block. Speaking for myself, without context it seemed like this account might have been compromised which warrants extra precaution. Toning down the snark in edit summaries is definitely a good idea, but I'm convinced there's no active disruption to prevent with the block. <span style="font-family:Papyrus, Courier New">The Wordsmith Talk to me 00:02, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

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 * Thanks! Bobak (talk) 21:15, 24 March 2024 (UTC)