User talk:Bobak/June 2009 - December 2009

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Formal Mediation for Sports Logos
As a contributor to Wikipedia_talk:Non-free_content/RFC_on_use_of_sports_team_logos, you have been included in a request for formal mediation regarding the subject at Requests for mediation/Use of Sports Logos. With your input and agreement to work through mediation, it is hoped we can achieve a lasting solution. --Hammersoft (talk) 13:39, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

DYK template
You won't have errors like this if you use the DYK nomination template (there are instructions at T:TDYK and also in the documentation for Template:NewDYKnomination) rather than just copy-and-pasting an older nomination. Best, r ʨ anaɢ talk/contribs 23:41, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Notice
Ok, since you aren't interested in discussing this with me, I have raised the issue at WP:ANI. r ʨ anaɢ talk/contribs 23:59, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

DYK image
Do you have any other images of the National Fresh Water Fishing Hall of Fame in your collection? I have nominated the new article for DYK using one of your pictures. I'm thinking about a picture with less trees and more fish, even if that means some of the fish is missing. I've found some cool pictures of just the mouth and head on the internet. This angle is pretty nice! This roadside attraction needs to make the main page! I've only been through Hayward once and the big fish is UNFORGETTABLE!  Royal broil  05:15, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll try it with the picture that you have uploaded. I thought I'd give it a try. Cheers!  Royal broil  03:38, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

5 years
5 year blocks are reserved for open proxies. Other IPs should not be blocked for longer than 12 months. I'd strongly urge you to dial it back to a year. –xenotalk 20:00, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Is reblocking every year really that much of a bother? ( I realize that's most often what occurs ) 1 year is our usual ceiling for these things. –xenotalk 20:02, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
 * My hope is that in the brief period of time before the annual block is re-applied, there might be a few students who catch the constructive-contributor bug. But a 2 year soft-block with account creation enabled would be OK, I guess - I still think a year without is appropriate (as leaving account creation enabled just gives us a steady stream of VOAs to block). See this recent AN thread to get a gut-check of consensus on this for a very similar situation where I changed a length from 3 years to 1. –xenotalk 20:11, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
 * (re your comment while I was composing the above) Thank you. –xenotalk 20:13, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/File:2008-0913-USCOSU-Pan01.JPG
Just wanted to let you know out of courtesy that I've nominated your panorama as a Featured Picture Candidate. You're welcome to express your own opinion at the nomination. Good shot. Diliff  | (Talk)   (Contribs) 12:04, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

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NFL Draft articles
IP 96.254.146.122 is being extremely disruptive on several NFL Draft articles. Since he is switching team names around it is extremely difficult to spot without carefully going through the diffs or happening to spot an error. Can you please protect the articles and/or block the IP? Strikehold (talk) 20:00, 15 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the help. Strikehold (talk) 11:10, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

WP:CFBATHLETE
Hi, since you were a contributor to this essay, I wanted to see if you had any opinion on the comments I posted on its talk page. Strikehold (talk) 23:38, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Barnstar
Spongefrog,  (talk to me, or else)  20:32, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Request for mediation not accepted
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Northern Michigan University Edit
You change to the Notable alumni part of Northern Michigan University page was incorrect, there are two Starbucks in Marquette, MI. One is located in LRC and a second one is located along US 41, |46.48769862949848|-87.374132797122.

The article you cited is a old article from 2003. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.59.61.220 (talk) 12:40, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

The comment accompanying the uploaded image was also updated.
 * Sounds good. I made a minor tweak. --Bobak (talk) 16:58, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Merge discussion
There is an interesting merge discussion going on at Talk:Cupcake. You might want to poke your head in on it. --Jeremy (blah blah) 08:48, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Proposed merges for Food and Drink
Based on your recent participation in several Food and Drink related merge discussion, I would like to point out several open discussions that might interest you:
 * Proposed merge of Jumbals to Jumble (cookie). Discuss here.
 * Proposed merge of Kerala porotta and Malabari paratha. Discuss here.
 * Proposed merge of Maple spice cake to Spice cake. Discuss here.
 * Proposed merge of Patty melt to Cheeseburger. Discuss here.
 * Proposed merge of Butterfly cake to Cupcake. Discuss here.
 * Proposed merge of Majboos and Kabsa. Discuss here.

--Jeremy (blah blah) 05:11, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Sand Point Lighthouse
I don't personally care whether it's called a Light or a Lighthouse. fWIW, I believe you stepped in to a long standing controversy, and I believe that there had been a prior consensus that is to the contrary. In any event, the list of lighthouses in the United States should be updated to reflect the change. 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 11:54, 15 July 2009 (UTC) Stan

Southdale Center
No problem. I was of two minds, removing the links the second time. You weighing in helped resolved the issue. Thanks, Piano non troppo (talk) 18:17, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Barnstar

 * Thanks! (With more to come!) :-) --Bobak (talk) 02:49, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
 * AWESOME! You're making my "work" easier! I'm looking forward. I see there has been some overlap, which is healthy.  Royal broil  04:19, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, there was a little bit --often to my surprise after I looked up the images on Commons to see what cat they'd fit into. I also went ahead and placed a few of yours that hadn't been placed on en.wikipedia yet (e.g. the Wausau fairground photo). That's probably my last foray into WI, though I have a few more from the Dells I took on my way back from the antique roadshow last week.  --Bobak (talk) 04:23, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
 * My thanks also for your work with WikiProject Wisconsin-RFD (talk) 13:09, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Photos
I enjoyed reading the storybook house articleas I've seen that house on a few occasions. I have a list of LA sights I need photos of if you're interested. As a Golden Gopher, you might also be interested in the glorified rice, dessert bars, and seven-layer salad articles, a couple of which need photos!!! Cheers. ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:21, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Cool. I'm counting on you to get some good shots at the Stone Creek Jamboree. I know you'll have a great time!!! ChildofMidnight (talk) 03:14, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Sorry
This is penguindude97, I am really sorry please un block penguindude97 I am new to this wikipedia stuff and was wrong to call you rude. —Preceding unsigned comment added by MrTwinTowers (talk • contribs) 01:31, 22 July 2009 (UTC)


 * You're not new to this stuff, you've been blocked at least twice with one other account. --Bobak (talk) 05:00, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Well im not new to wikipedia.com and editing, I'm new to all these templates, and making pages and uploading fils. —Preceding unsigned comment added by MrTwinTowers (talk • contribs) 18:38, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Carver
Excellent idea about adding the geographical areas named after him. Capitalismojo (talk) 13:15, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Hiawatha statue photo
Hello, your Hiawatha statue in Ironwood, Michigan needs to be transferred from Commons, as it is a derivative work of a copyrighted statue and there is no freedom of panorama in the United States for 3D works of art. Please see File:Hiawatha statue Ironwood Michigan.jpg (the image you replaced) for the correct licensing. Thanks.  howcheng  {chat} 07:38, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Right on, I realized about a day after uploading it that I'd need to do something like that --I appreciate the clear instructions and I'll do so immediately. --Bobak (talk) 07:42, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Luce County pic, etc
Hi, noticed your adding pics to several NRHP list-articles and joining up at wp:NRHP. Welcome!, from a fellow member. Nice pic of the National Register of Historic Places listings in Michigan one. It doesn't look like a jail to me, but I suppose you know. :) Feel free to post notice of your new articles or pictures in the corresponding announcement boxes at wp:NRHP, and to comment or ask any questions at wt:NRHP.  Glad you're on board. doncram (talk) 17:54, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, welcome to the project! We always need more good photos and photographers.  Nyttend (talk) 19:59, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I have a lot more to come from central CA.  As for the image: yes, it is a jail --but its a combined jail/sheriff's house.  In fact, if you open up the full file size and zoom in on the plaque to the left of the door you'll be able to make out "Jail & Sheriff's Residence".  I saw something similar in Cheboygan, MI (see here) and its much more obvious in that structure that it was both. --Bobak (talk) 20:58, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * More on the image: if you look at the sat photo (here at corner of Court and Harrie), you can see the small, boxy jail at the back of the house. --Bobak (talk) 21:04, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Photos
Good to see all the pictures of all the NRHP-listed properties — and the Hanna photo was quite impressive! I can't imagine living out there; my apologies if you think otherwise :-) Nyttend (talk) 19:51, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, I don't live out there. I do a lot of aerial spotting when I fly on commercial flights; it took me an hour of looking around Google Maps to figure out I had a photo Medicine Bow (I knew it was somewhere in the WY/CO/MT/UT area... that's a lot of area to scan!), after that I was able to quickly figure out the next photo I took was Hanna.  Maps and aerial images have always been a favorite of mine. --Bobak (talk) 20:58, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Blocked
Today I was asked to create a wikipedia account and help edit a bio. You blocked me from editing and made accusations that are simply not true. I work with SU Athletics and did not realize the rules of Wikipedia and was merely trying to help the department (who owns the CP material). I began learning tonight and came accross Please do not bite the newcomers. This is exactly what you did to me. While I will be more careful next time I would hope you would respect the fact that I was new and did not realize what you were accusing us of. Jhrubin (talk) 00:47, 31 July 2009 (UTC)jhrubin


 * I've replied on your talk page. --Bobak (talk) 05:34, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

I appreciate your reply and the links you provided. I will work with the folks in Sports Information to provide an acceptable page under Wikipedia's guidelines. I may have a few questions as we go and I am hoping I can bounce a few of you if need be. Jhrubin (talk) 11:19, 31 July 2009 (UTC)jhrubin

WP:Hornbook -- a new WP:Law task force for the J.D. curriculum
Andrew Gradman talk/WP:Hornbook 20:21, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Need some help
Hi Bobak, since you are the main USC guy on Wikipedia I know that is active in all things USC, I wanted you to take a look at the recent edits of the Notre Dame Fighting Irish football rivalries page. Someone from an unregistered IP address keeps reverting the language from "USC" to "Southern California", claiming that USC is never used (however he/she is leaving "USC" in the paragraph in multiple places and only reverting my edits). Moreover, his/her edits are disrupting the reference tags, as he/she is changing the reference names on the tags as if it were regular copy. It is clear this person does not know to properly edit and does not know any of the etiquette of Wikipedia. I would keep posting notices on his/her talk page but it seems pointless. What can be done to stop his/her disruptive editing? Regards. Tedmoseby (talk) 22:38, 4 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I looked over the situation and completely agree with you. I'm confused as to the motivation of the other party.  Interestingly enough, of all the variations, its "Southern Cal" that's considered undesired by the university (I think they got tired of being confused as Cal's southern campus, which was actually what UCLA started as).  I've made an edit and a comment that I hope clarifies the situation.  If it continues I will add a warning and probably semi-protect the page.  --Bobak (talk) 00:21, 5 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for looking at this Bobak! - Tedmoseby (talk) 03:20, 5 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Looks like this person is continuing to revert edits. Tedmoseby (talk) 16:27, 29 August 2009 (UTC)


 * This person is at it again, calling your edits vandalism. Regards. Tedmoseby (talk) 22:21, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Confidence Hall
Hello! there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath and respond there as soon as possible.
 * I've replied on the DYK nom page. --Bobak (talk) 16:44, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

USC Quarterbacks
Thanks for the praise regarding the USC quarterbacks. I used the media guides from 1984 to the present (except for the couple I don't have) for the starting lineups from game to game. For earlier years, I used the media guides as well but have to rely on the biographies of the returning players. I'll be going through the 'LA Times' archives at some point in the near future and will find more information for that page (and plenty of information for other pages). Pat Maher (talk) 22:28, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Old St. Raymond's Church

 * Nice job with the Old St. Raymond's Church article! doncram (talk) 14:27, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Air photo
I don't understand. There are two pictures. One that is clear, one that is foggy. And you say that the clear photo was when the air was bad? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:BeijingSmogComparison-Aug2005a.gif --<b style="background-color:black; color:white;">Jay</b><b style="background-color:red;">( Talk )</b> 20:51, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry about the delay, I was out of the country for a few weeks. In response to your question here, the "foggy" photo was a sunny day (no natural clouds) with smog; the clear photo with high cloud cover (blocking the sun) was after a rain.  --Bobak (talk) 05:52, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I would think that after a rain shower the air would be fresh and clean. And this wasn't the case? I find this to be quite fascinating. --<b style="background-color:black; color:white;">Jay</b><b style="background-color:red;">( Talk )</b> 16:56, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Just to be clear, the one on the left was after rain showers (and is thus cleaner), and the one on the right was on the sunny but polluted day. --Bobak (talk) 20:54, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * No worries. My confusion stems from the way you described it. You used the terms first visit and second visit, so when you later said that the second photo was on the day the air was poor, I assumed you meant second visit, which you described as the rainy day. See where I am coming from? --<b style="background-color:black; color:white;">Jay</b><b style="background-color:red;">( Talk )</b> 16:11, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Possibly unfree File:2009-0805-MN-LeSueur-Giant.jpg
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File:2008-0817-SJSU-SJSU-SmithCarlos.jpg listed for deletion
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Indefinite semi-protection for Notre Dame Fighting Irish football rivalries?
Just curious why you have indef'd semi-protection for Notre Dame Fighting Irish football rivalries. The article hasn't been edited very much in the past few months. You appear to have a content dispute with the anonymous editor who has repeatedly edited the article so if protection is appropriate you shouldn't be the one to apply it. The anonymous editor's edits don't appear to be blatant vandalism to me but a content dispute. Further, it seems that you have only edited his or her Talk page once with a vandalism template and you haven't edited the article's Talk page at all. Finally, even if the editor is vandalizing the article it seem that the better course of action would be to block him or her, not to indefinitely semi-protect the article.

Am I missing something? I can't quite understand your actions. --ElKevbo (talk) 19:27, 10 September 2009 (UTC)


 * I will let Bobak himself address the appropriateness of his actions, but I can agree with him that the IP is clearly wrong in this case. I don't know if I would qualify it as vandalism or not, but "Southern Cal" is not an appropriate or accepted usage for the name of the school or its teams. It is called either Southern California in full or USC for short. Strikehold (talk) 19:50, 10 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Sorry about that, I actually only meant a week of semi-protect because of a problematic anon that's been going after the article because, as his edit history shows, he's all about USC only being South Carolina, which has created problems with this article whenever he reappears every few weeks. I finally had to give him a 24 hour block, though I don't necessarily expect him to realize it given his edit history.  --Bobak (talk) 20:35, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Minnesota Meetup
<hr style="background:#fc6; border:#0cf 10px dotted;"> 2009 Proposed date: Saturday, October 10. Details under discussion.  Please share this with anyone who may be interested. <hr style=" clear:both; background:#fc6; border:#0cf 10px dotted;"> Delivered by Jonathunder (talk) 15:16, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

User: 68.108.141.244
Hi there. I was on this user's page when I noticed this warning. It does seem that this person probably isn't acting in good faith. However, the phrase "I will crush you" could come off as a personal attack. Even if it wasn't intended, please remember that making such statements could anger vandals, provoking them to vandalize further and making them less likely to reform and contribute positively.  tk tk  tk  21:25, 23 September 2009 (UTC)


 * A spambot? Once it becomes self aware, we'll be all that stops them from turning into SkyNet, or at the very least a very ill-tempered Microsoft app. Thems be teh internets. --Bobak (talk) 21:49, 23 September 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure what you mean... just because the user posted a spam message doesn't mean they weren't "self-aware". Apologies if adding a "last warning" after an "only warning" wasn't the right course of action; but it seemed harsh to issue an "only warning" after just one recent spam edit, particularly with the "I will crush you" added to it. WP:SPAM says that "if an editor spams numerous articles in a systematic fashion" they can get an "only warning", but that certainly was not the case here. I just want to be sure that users are treated appropriately, vandals included.  tk tk  tk  22:25, 23 September 2009 (UTC)


 * I think my attempts at humor are as great as my bowling. --Bobak (talk) 22:46, 23 September 2009 (UTC)


 * I do appreciate your levity; it's a breath of fresh air in what can sometimes be an overly serious environment. Just make sure you consider my points at the same time. =)  tk tk  tk  22:57, 23 September 2009 (UTC)


 * I will :-) --Bobak (talk) 23:07, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Please block...
Greetings Bobak - Sorry to hassle you, but I noticed that you've already blocked User talk:209.251.101.146 on two occasions. They're at it again. Thank you. --Technopat (talk) 22:15, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

USC vs. Cal, 10/3


Are you going to the game? -- Broken Sphere Msg me 01:54, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi there! Unfortunately, no.  I was at the Ohio State and Washington games (and have some good photos from each I need to upload), but this time (due to some work that needs to get done) I'm watching from a sports bar here in Minneapolis.  The sad thing is I have a friend who offered me a ticket, its now going to his wife.  Are you going? --Bobak (talk) 07:20, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, as I am a Cal season ticket holder, so I can sympathize with your pain at the loss to UW. Sort of, I think...still stewing over the thrashing from Oregon a little, but I'm looking forward to Saturday.  I was hoping that you would have your camera with you, but I will do my best!  -- Broken Sphere Msg me 03:56, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Congrats on the win! Reminds me of the 1999 season during the Holmoe era when Cal football was fighting to be the doormat of the Pac-10.  Here's Damian Williams after he got that PR for a TD, right underneath where I was sitting in the north end zone, of all places.   Broken Sphere Msg me 19:44, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Weedpatch Camp
Thank you for adding the pictures of Weedpatch Camp to the article. I got the idea for creating the article after reading two books about the Dust Bowl to my students. One book mentioned Weedpatch Camp (no, it wasn't "The Grapes of Wrath"). I asked the NPS to send me a copy of the nomination. When creating the article, I found a lot of historic photos at the Library of Congress website, but I don't know how to download them. Einbierbitte (talk) 00:25, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Spirit of Troy?
You told me to stop vandalizing wikipedia and that article or i'll be blocked, in april 2008. When did I ever vandalize that article? 69.136.246.3 (talk) 02:35, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
 * If you don't want to get warnings for that IP address, create your own account. There's not much more I can advise, I'm afraid. --Bobak (talk) 04:34, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

File:2009-0805-NewUlm-SGermanHD.jpg
I have to say — I love good montages :-) Nyttend (talk) 01:17, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks! The large houses are all pretty spread out, and so many were nice that I opted to put a few examples together.  The sun was also being uncooperative, so it limited the angle I could use.  --Bobak (talk) 01:29, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Another great photo! The huge logs make it clear that the building is a sawmill in a way that nothing else really could.  Nyttend (talk) 16:19, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I've now finally uploaded the 100+ photos I took on that epic August day where I visited NRHPs in 4 counties, several universities and still had time to take photos at Vikings practice. Now I've got to catch up with the trips in between then and now, and maybe do another road trip to a nearby county. --Bobak (talk) 16:45, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

File:Koren-Robinson-Mugshot.jpg listed for deletion
An image or media file that you uploaded or altered, File:Koren-Robinson-Mugshot.jpg, has been listed at Files for deletion. Please see the to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Peripitus (Talk) 00:56, 13 November 2009 (UTC)


 * The license was fixed, and oh --it feels soooo good! --Bobak (talk) 06:22, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Request for Notre Dame Football semi-protection
Hi Bobak, as you are probably aware, there will most likely be a coaching change at Notre Dame in the next few days. I am requesting that you semi-protect the Notre Dame Fighting Irish football page for the next couple of weeks. We are already getting edits from anonymous users trying to vandalize or jump ahead and edit for Weis being fired. I am asking you since you have been very helpful and cordial in the past. Any amount of protection you can provide is appreciated! Tedmoseby (talk) 17:47, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Caught me in the middle of move, hopefully things aren't out of control. I'll take a look. --Bobak (talk) 00:45, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Plot for Up in the Air (film)
Bobak, I fully agree that the plot section for Up in the Air (film) is severely lacking. However, I thought it would be odd for me to flag it myself. Although I know the broad outlines of the plot, I do not know the details of the plot sufficiently to write a coherent plot section. The film is in limited release in 175 cities this weekend. I will not be able to see the film until it is in wide release on December 23, 2009. I will attempt to expand the plot section as soon as practical after seeing the film. If you wish to expand the plot section, please do so. --Dan Dassow (talk) 19:33, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

A note
Bobak, I just wanted to congratulate you for the impressive work on the Todd Marinovich entry. I came upon it at random knowing nothing about the man and with little interest in football, but it was so well-written that I read the whole of it. Thanks for your effort! Alexdi (talk) 11:28, 29 December 2009 (UTC)