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 * Sorry, Boddybuilder. Somebody placed this text here, using as name User:WiIfried Derksen. This person even created a redirect from his user page to my user page and copied the content of my talk page to his talk page. He edited some pages, like the DPP Taiwan. I will block that user, since it is a way to give me a bad image. Could you please remove the vandalism paragraph from my talk page. Electionworld 22:06, 20 July 2005 (UTC)


 * I thought you are more reasonable than what I've read. The vandal left messages with Japanese Extreme Right messages. Sorry for letting you taking the heat. However, I hope you can help me to correct those pages as well, 'cos it will take a lot of time. Bobbybuilder 22:10, 20 July 2005 (UTC)


 * I disagree with you completely.--BobbyDerksen 22:42, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

Your Edits & Reversions
I noticed that you have been reverting & altering articles on some Taiwan subjects, particularly:
 * Kuomingtang
 * Democratic Progressive Party

Instead of mass reverts, can you please provide some commentary to your edits? Let's have some civilized dialogue. Peace and happy editing.--GrandCru 28 June 2005 17:28 (UTC)


 * Mass reverts? I do not approve you using DPP's propaganda in the GMT page then you call that mass reverts? I provided my reasons, whether you read it or not is your problem. Bobbybuilder 29 June 2005


 * Clearly, you are taking way to much offense to these edits. DPPs platform is a very moderate platform, unlike KMT's communist-leaning agenda.  Perhaps you are trying to tote the "Party-Line" to appease your comrades, but Wikipedia, like the DPP is democratic.  Please use appropriate discourse in disagreeing with the edits others have made.--GrandCru 28 June 2005 23:26 (UTC)


 * Your name calling does not work here. Please study first before you open your mouth. bobbybuilder 29 June 2005


 * I am not calling you any names. Perhaps if you were from Taiwan, you would understand the situation a bit better.--GrandCru 28 June 2005 23:31 (UTC)


 * You call KMT communist-leaning, that's calling names. Your DPP is not really democratic, that's a fact. Your behaviour also provides a proof as how DPP is fascist. Please study the term totalitarianism. If your source of news can be more than just 自由時報, probably you will know the situation a little bit better. bobbybuilder 29 June 2005


 * It's not my DPP, I'm neutral. I don't support either, just trying to tell it like it is.  Perhaps if you are pro-KMT, you should refrain from editing either article...--GrandCru 28 June 2005 23:41 (UTC)


 * You are not neutral. You just pretend to be neutral. Neutral people do not deliberately delete the facts for either side. You are just a coward who cannot admit he's green. That's even more spiteful than the openly DPP supporter. If you are so confused about your own identity, perhaps you have to solve that issue before you edit other people's. bobbybuilder 29 June 2005


 * Yawn. Don't get worked up over things.  Drink some Bubble Tea and relax.--GrandCru 28 June 2005 23:47 (UTC)


 * I have given you warning, any more vandalism on the politics in the ROC from you will be reported. bobbybuilder 29 June 2005


 * It's the pot calling the kettle black. --GrandCru 29 June 2005 00:04 (UTC)


 * YOU did not provide any facts to support your editing, I did. Again, any more from you will be reported. bobbybuilder 29 June 2005

Bobby, please post your vandal report again, and this time follow the directions. We can't follow what you post if it doesn't conform to the directions. Linuxbeak | Talk | Desk June 29, 2005 00:22 (UTC)

Bobby, please also note that there is a three-revert rule that you have violated. Please adhere.--GrandCru 29 June 2005 03:46 (UTC)

Hi, I've notice the revert wars ongoing on the 2 articles, and I was wondering if some middle ground can be reached between you and GrandCru. I am willing to help only if it can be done peacefully. Please also note that both of you have violated the 3RR rule. Penwhale 29 June 2005 08:37 (UTC)


 * Hi Penwhale, GrandCru (talk &bull; contribs &bull; [ page moves] &bull; block user &bull; [ block log]) insisted that KMT is pro-communist, which is absolutely not true. That was a major error, because his statement cannot explain the "Chinese civil war". it's like knowing the history Crusader War and yet insisting "Christianity is pro-Muslin". I don't believe there is a middle ground for this matter, not because he cries the loudest so he can put whatever he wants in the page.


 * KMT may not be pro-communist, I agree. I, however, contend that they are communist-leaning.  There are many KMT here who believe that to merge back with China would be to give up democracy and fall back under communist rule.  While there are clearly benefits to this, such as access to weapons, there are also potential problems such as receiving false, governemnt sanctioned news, etc.--KentingKid 02:55, 24 July 2005 (UTC)


 * what are you trying to say exactly? that doesn't make sense at all. What's your point? Are those false claims you made strong enough to say "KMT is pro-communist"?? Bobbybuilder 11:30, 24 July 2005 (UTC)


 * DPP did act and still acts fishy after they gained power, and GrandCru (talk &bull; contribs &bull; [ page moves] &bull; block user &bull; [ block log]) deliberately delete those criticism trying to cover this up. That's just making things more illogical. If the DPP is doing so well, why does half of the population against them? GrandCru (talk &bull; contribs &bull; [ page moves] &bull; block user &bull; [ block log]) also claimed that DPP's formation was because a bunch of people are against the communism. That is also not true. DPP is a left wing party in the formation, and many founding members were even sympathisers of Taiwanese communists prosecuted by the KMT-ruled government then. If GrandCru does not accept that, then he does not even understand the history of Taiwan very well.


 * I'd also like to point out that I have posted my sources to back up my writing in the Talk page of DPP's page, and this GrandCru (talk &bull; contribs &bull; [ page moves] &bull; block user &bull; [ block log]) haven't. Bobbybuilder 29 June 2005 19:25 (UTC)


 * The thing is that I wouldn't consider KMT (not GMT-- there's another meaning for that :P) "pro-communism" but rather "pro-unification". There's a huge difference. Penwhale 30 June 2005 14:01 (UTC)


 * Sorry, typos. You tell him that. KMT is always "pro-unification", there is no doubt about that. Even in the Civil War KMT was not separatist. However, that still doesn't justify GrandCru (talk &bull; contribs &bull; [ page moves] &bull; block user &bull; [ block log]) 's statement calling KMT communist. Bobbybuilder 30 June 2005, 21:03 (UTC)
 * True enough. Penwhale

I agree with your edit removing the "fake" comment from the Chinese Patriotic Church article, but I don't think it should have been labelled as "vandalism". It was sort of POV, sure; but arguably true, and (I don't think) was meant as name-calling or damage to Wikipedia. Frjwoolley 14:00, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

I don't think it's tolerable to fabricate information. He chose to say "Vatican claimed it's fake", that's beyond POV. That's damaging to that Patriotic Church (which I don't care much) and also the Vatican. It's like I want to say a lots of religions are cult, that doesn't mean I can go around and add "Vatican says this and that are fake religions". Bobbybuilder 21:19, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

KMT
In response to:
 * While I don't disagree with your assessment of LTH's agenda, I think seperatist is a little too POV in that it implies the POV that Taiwan is part of China. Consider also that nations seperate from China also share some elements of Chinese culture (i.e. Singapore), were they to adopt a similar desinicization policy it would certainly not be characterized as seperatist. Might I suggest "Desinicization" or "Localization" as more neutral alternatives?.--Loren 4 July 2005 05:01 (UTC)
 * I think your edits on KMT are slightly biased. Do you feel this is appropriate?--KentingKid 02:51, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
 * I hate to point this out but we both know Taiwan is not an independent country and we are still just a part of the ROC, so it's still PC to say Taiwan is part of China, just the interpretation of the word "China" is different. (一中各表)
 * Anyway, back to your last suggestion. I don't think New Party was against localisation, 'cos even Chiang Ching-kuo was pushing for localisation, but it was not comfortable with the desincisation movement Lee was pushing. I would prefer to use the term "desinicisation" in that page, as it bears more negative connotation and makes KMT's split up more reasonable. --Bobby 4 July 2005 12:01 (UTC)
 * I am somewhat concered by your use of the term "makes KMT's split up more reasonable", remember, we're not trying to justify anything to anyone here. Our goal is to present the facts in an impartial manner regardless of whose favor it's in. Anyhow, the term "Desinicization" works for me, though remember, what you said can also be interpreted as Two Chinas.
 * I am very reluctant to get into a political debate on this as prior experience shows that it inevitably degenerates into a mutual edit war to the detriment of Wikipedia as a whole. --Loren 4 July 2005 18:33 (UTC)
 * As long as we do not recognise both ROC and PRC at the same time, I doubt there's any room for Two Chinas. I was pointing out that if New Party was not comfortable with localisation, they would leave KMT when Chiang was the leader and not until several years into Lee's reign. The new thing introduced by Lee was "desinicisation", so we should be able to pin-point the reason to that. That was what I meant by "reasonable". Anyway, thanks for the editing.--Bobby 4 July 2005 20:25 (UTC)

Hello again, I'd like to notify you that in light of the criticisms sections posted on other ROC political party pages, I have also included one on the KMT page to avoid imbalance. I'd like to enlist your help in including the KMT POV as rebuttels to maintain balance. Personally if it were up to me I wouldn't include criticisms on any of the party pages as they run the risk of turning into soap boxes, however I do realize that some believe them to be appropriate. Thanks. -Loren 8 July 2005 04:08 (UTC)

Hi, I've posted my response, cheers for the head up. Bobbybuilder 8 July 2005 04:17 (UTC)


 * Thanks for posting the KMT POV. I've modified them somewhat to make them better conform to Wiki standards. -Loren 8 July 2005 04:23 (UTC)

Please keep things civilized. Don't be so incorrigible, as it appears that you've been warned plenty. If you continue to remain incurable, and rude, you will be banned.--WiIfried Derksen 17:29, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

GrandCru you shameless little fucker, you want to steal other ppl's name now? Spiteful little prick. Bobbybuilder 22:23, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

Post-impersonator cleanup
No problem, this isn't the first time something like this has happened to someone on Wikipedia. Happy editing. (Feel free to delete any of the messages that you didn't write and my responses to them).-Loren 00:37, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

Re:
 * Since you weren't the one who made the posts, no apology is nessecary. Thanks for helping with the cleanup. -Loren 01:13, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

FOR THE RECORD, I DID NOT MAKE ANY OF THOSE EDITS. YOU OWE ME AN APOLOGY FOR ACCUSING ME OF THINGS I DIDN'T DO. IF YOU ARE STARTING SOME KIND OF CRAZY BULLSHIT, KEEP ME OUT OF IT. JUST BECAUSE WE DON'T AGREE ON THINGS DOES NOT GIVE YOU THE RIGHT TO JUST REVERT ALL MY EDITS AND ACCUSE ME OF SOMEONE ELSE'S CRAP.--GrandCru 05:24, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

Also, you should refrain from using profanity, it makes you sound unprofessional, and much like the town idiot. (I'm not calling you an idiot, just saying that if you use profanity, you can come across that way.) It really wasn't me pretending to be you. --GrandCru 05:39, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

Let's see, the idiotic attempt to link Shanghai with Prostitution, glorify Japanese war crime, remove the Chinese link from the Jacque Gracq page, add illogical sentences into the Mainlander page, adding irrelevant link into the KMT page, then after the warning, all the sudden someone came up and use YOUR writing style, YOUR poor grammatical structure and YOUR pathetic innuendo, and that person just happen to look for all the people YOU called for help before. yeah, it's not you. whatever. BTW, crap and bullshit is profanity as well you little fucker. Bobbybuilder 11:29, 21 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Whoa, careful what you say; No personal attacks applies to everyone, regarless of what the user/vandal/troll says to you. I'm going to look into the GrandCru issue, but please avoid making personal attacks (including using profanity) against anyone, regardless of their actions. -- Essjay ·  Talk 16:11, July 21, 2005 (UTC)


 * I've blocked GrandCru as a sockpuppet. -- Essjay ·  Talk 17:51, July 21, 2005 (UTC)

Vandalism on your user page
Bobbybuilder - I just reverted further vandalism of your user page and warned and reported the individual. Gblaz 03:32, July 24, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks a lot :D Bobbybuilder 08:41, 24 July 2005 (UTC)


 * If you want, we could use the protect feature to make it impossible for non-admins (including you) to edit the page, until the vandals have cooled down. Thue | talk 18:55, 24 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Protected. Thue | talk 06:20, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

Nomination for Adminship
You are very helpful on Asia stuff, and I nominated you for adminship.--He's very helpful 23:35, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Sorry He's very helpful, but it is inappropriate for some one like you to come in here out of the blue and immediately nominate someone to be an administrator. Please make some contributions before you do so. Thank you. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 23:40, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I suspect User:He's very helpful may be a sock of User:GrandCru who might want another page to spew hatred toward you, Bobbybuilder. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 23:52, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your support
Thank you for supporting my recent RfA. I was surprised and humbled by the number of positives votes. I'll be monitoring RfA regularly from now on and will look for a chance to "pay it forward". Cheers, --MarkSweep 02:21, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

Along similar lines, thanks for your support in my recent RfA. I will do my very best to ensure that your confidence in me was not misplaced. It's been tough going for the last few weeks with all the ongoing vandalism but I'm glad you decided to stick around, I look forward to working with you again in the future. -Loren 00:57, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

Re: Taiwan related articles
Re:

No problem, always happy to help whack a vandal. The dynamic IP's are becoming a major problem on all sorts of articles. There's some debate going on over whether we should stop anon contributations all together to stop casual vandals, though the downside is that may also discourage casual contributers. Trade offs in life :) -Loren 05:46, 11 August 2005 (UTC)


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