User talk:Bogens

Managing a conflict of interest
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Also, editing for the purpose of advertising, publicising, or promoting anyone or anything is not permitted. Thank you. Tacyarg (talk) 21:07, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi Bogens - thanks for your message on my Talk page. I'm not the right person to help as I'm not knowledgeable about your sport, but I have posted on the WikiProject American football page to see if anyone there can help. Don't offer to pay anyone - there are a lot of scammers around who might take money and not edit the article, and most Wikipedia editors are volunteers. Best wishes, Tacyarg (talk) 16:36, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much for your response.
 * I also appreciate the advice regarding payment. It would be disappointing to pay and not get any value from it.  As an aside, I donate each year to Wikipedia and am a frequent user.  It is a “go to” place for encyclopedic knowledge.
 * I know little about the internal operations other than what I’ve read about Wikipedia in the entry about Wiki. I hope someone will reach out to me and help complete the edits. The inaccuracies are not something I lose sleep over, but I’d still like to get the facts correct.
 * Again, thanks, regardless of the outcome.
 * Bill Ellenbogen 2601:6C0:4300:2760:D5C3:B0A0:471C:2ACA (talk) 17:16, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

Bill Ellenbogen
Thanks for the inquiry. I've added some sources to the article. There's quite an abundance of information about your career at Newspapers.com. Those sources should help us to flesh out additional details of your career. As time permits, I will try to expand the article a bit. It's likely that others may jump in as well. And no $$$ needed. We're all voluneers here, many of us having a strong interest in the history of the game you played so well.Best wishes, Cbl62 (talk) 20:27, 5 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Cbl62: It is great that you are willing to volunteer and help edit Wiki articles. I appreciate your willingness to do this.  I'm also glad you shared the site with newspaper articles about athletes' career.  I was unaware of it.  I was with 11 teams in 4 different pro football leagues in my journeyman's career.  Copied below is a biographical summary of information that I know to be accurate because I lived it.  It is not embellished.  Perhaps it could serve as a guide, if you do end up having time or interest to cotinue this edit.  There is also a chapter in a published football history book.  A footnote for the book might look like this.  " Miller, Stuart (2005).  Where Have All Our Giants Gone. Taylor Trade Publishing p. 158 -165.  "
 * It substantiates much of the bio below. It may not be possible to view the book online if it has not been digitized.  I'd be willing to send you an original copy of the book if there is an address that would allow me to do so. It would expedite this process and, if you happen to be a Giants fan, you might find it interesting.  Just let me know.  Thanks again. Bill Ellenbogen
 * William A. Ellenbogen (born December 8, 1950) is a former American football offensive lineman.  He played three years of college football at the University of Buffalo from 1968 to 197r0 as a defensive end.  The University of Buffalo dropped football and he transferred to Virginia Tech and moved to defensive tackle in 1971 and 1972.
 * After graduating from Virginia Tech, Bill played 8 years of professional football with 11 different teams in four leagues.  He signed as a free agent with the Kansas City Chiefs in 1973, where Head Coach Hank Stram moved him to offensive tackle, a position Ellenbogen had never played before. He was cut from the team in the last cut.  He played the remainder of the 1973 season with the Albany Metro Mallers, a semi-pro football team in Albany, NY as a defensive lineman.
 * In 1974 Ellenbogen was signed as a free agent offensive tackle by the Houston Oilers.  It was the year of an NFL Players Association strike and after  4 weeks of two-a-day practices and several exhibition games with only rookies and free agents, the veteran players reported and an additional three weeks of two-a-day practices were held.  In 1974, a rival professional league, the World Football League had started and Ellenbogen requested a release from the Oilers and played for about 10 weeks as an offensive tackle with the Philadelphia Bell.  The World Football League went out of business in mid-November.
 * The Washington Redskins signed Ellenbogen as an offensive lineman in the spring of 1975.  He played through all of training camp and was released prior to the last cut.  The reorganized World Football League’s Shreveport Steamer team signed him and he played from early September until the league folded for a second and final time on October 22nd.
 * The New York Giants signed Ellenbogen to a free agent contract in 1976 and he made the roster and played offensive tackle, guard and all the special teams for 1976.  His first NFL start was against the Dallas Cowboys for the opening of the new Giants stadium located in the Meadowlands in the fifth game of the season.  Ellenbogen started several games the remainder of the season.    Ellenbogen played for the Giants again in 1977.  He injured his shoulder midway through the season, but still played in all of the remaining games on the offensive line and on special teams.  He had surgery to repair the shoulder after the 1977 season.
 * Ellenbogen was cut by the Giants at the end of the 1978 training camp and signed with the Toronto Argonauts in the Canadian Football League.  Ellenbogen started for Toronto, but suffered a knee injury and had surgery with several games remaining in the 1978 season.
 * He then played in 1979 for the Toronto Argonauts, the Ottowa Roughriders and the Winnipeg Blue Bombers.
 * In 1980, Ellenbogen signed as a free agent by the Atlanta Falcons and was released near the end of training camp.
 * He retired from football and returned to Blacksburg, Virginia.  He has had a successful business career as a restauranteur, as a real estate developer and in a number of charitable ventures until his retirement. He is married and has two adult children. Bogens (talk) 22:08, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
 * He retired from football and returned to Blacksburg, Virginia.  He has had a successful business career as a restauranteur, as a real estate developer and in a number of charitable ventures until his retirement. He is married and has two adult children. Bogens (talk) 22:08, 5 February 2024 (UTC)


 * I have added essential facts that I could verify from reliable sources. Others may be able to add more. Cbl62 (talk) 22:51, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm in Colombia through the end of the month, so shipping a book would be difficult. Cbl62 (talk) 22:53, 5 February 2024 (UTC)


 * I may be able to assist - Bogens, would you be able to email me pictures of the relevant pages of the book? (beaniefan100@gmail.com) BeanieFan11 (talk) 01:46, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks for volunteering to try to help. I am sending by email the photos of the book cover, copyright page, and the pages from the chapter. Bogens (talk) 16:42, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks - I'll try to take a look within a few days. BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:23, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

Edit on Bill Ellenbogen
Thanks to each of the editors for helping make the recent changes to the article on Bill Ellenbogen. It is much more complete and more accurate.

One additional change that might be made is to add information on the time that Bill Ellenbogen played with the Albany Metro Mallers. After being cut by the Kansas City Chiefs in 1973, he played with the Albany Metro Mallers of the Seaboard League. Teams were in Pennsylvania, Maryland and New York. The players were paid $25/game. Practices were on Tuesday and Thursday evenings nd agames were played on Saturday evenings. The players were provided help finding day jobs in construction.

For verification of some of this information, there is an entry in Wikipedia on this league in Wikipedia at:

Albany Metro Mallers - Wikipedia

Bill Ellenbogen Bogens (talk) 16:44, 15 February 2024 (UTC)