User talk:Boing! said Zebedee/Archive 4

=January 2010=

Northwest Flight 253
Hi,

you have delete a reliable source on Northwest Flight 253. While I agree that the other sources are blogs (I have not inserted them), the information in the article can be entirely based on the reports in reliable sources. Could you reinsert the text that you have deleted (possibly deleting the references to the blogs and any information that solely depends on them)?

Regards. Cs32en 10:41, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Would you mind if we try to get some consensus on the Talk page discussion first? If it appears that my opinion is in the minority, I'll happily concede. -- Boing!   said Zebedee  (talk) 10:52, 3 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Of course not. (Minority vs. majority is not the issue here, as consensus building is not based on a vote.) Please state your viewpoint, possibly together with a suggestion on how to improve the article, on the talk page. However, I will not be able to participate in the discussion in the next few hours, as I won't have access to the internet. Cs32en  11:12, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
 * OK, no rush, I'll probably be off shortly myself and not back until tomorrow. I've explained on the talk page that I don't think the Haskells' claim itself is notable, so we'll see how we go. And yes, I agree majority/minority isn't the deciding issue, but opinions from others would assist the process. I may well be wrong here, because I think the notability issue is uncertain in this case - if nothing else, this will hopefully be an educational exercise. -- Boing!   said Zebedee  (talk) 11:18, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

First think, then write
Please, say me, what "did not appear to be constructive" for you? 92.124.68.105 (talk) 13:20, 3 January 2010 (UTC) Where do you see vandalism, answer me, please?92.124.68.105 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 13:23, 3 January 2010 (UTC).
 * Please give me enough time to answer. You have my apologies, because I missed the fact that you were commenting on a User Talk page, and I'd thought you were adding an out-of-place comment to an article. I've reverted my change and have removed the warning I gave you. (Note to self: slow down a bit). -- Boing!   said Zebedee  (talk) 13:32, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, the stupid bot thinks that "№1666" is abuse or some kind of it. But it is just manuscript number in library, so I reverted. 92.124.68.105 (talk) 13:40, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
 * OK, sounds cool - bots do get things wrong sometimes. Best regards. -- Boing!   said Zebedee  (talk) 13:41, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Spam blacklist
Hi there. I've just protected the page that you requested at RPP. The best bet if it's persistent spamming is to get it on the WP:BLACKLIST, then the software will stop it being added. Regards, Ged  UK  11:08, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Great, thanks - I'll do that if it continues after the protection has expired. -- Boing!   said Zebedee  (talk) 12:47, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Necrophilia
You attempted to revert a vandal, but that vandal had already self-reverted - so you ended up. I have fixed. -- Red rose64 (talk) 15:13, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah, yes, they'd added and reverted from different IP address - there were a lot of vandal attacks from that IP range today. Thanks for fixing it up for me. -- Boing!   said Zebedee  (talk) 15:18, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Marin Čilić
my reverts constitute vandalism?and what about Bosniak vandals?please read what i've written in discussion on the article 'Marin Čilić'. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Češljugar (talk • contribs) 09:50, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
 * It was your incivility that was the problem. Please WP:AGF and don't insult other Wikipedia editors - that way people will be more inclined to listen to you. -- Boing!   said Zebedee  (talk) 10:02, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

I happen to be...
from Herzegovina. Bosnia is a short name for Bosnia and Herzegovina in the English-speaking countries. Check Zvjezdan Misimovic.... It says...Zvjezdan Misimović (born 5 June 1982) is a German-born Bosnian footballer who currently plays for Wolfsburg. Misimović is the co-captain of the Bosnia and Herzegovina national team. German-born...referred to the country of Germany. It would be illogical to put Bavarian-born Bosnian footballer.... This is exactly what you have done now with Herzegovinian-born Croatian tennis player. Bosnian-born refers to Bosnia and Herzegovina as a country....maybe a better suitable option would be Bosnia-Herzegovina-born Croatian tennis player or.... Croatian tennis player originally from Bosnia and Herzegovina. (unsigned comment by Jaganjac (talk))
 * It would help if you told me who you are, so I can reply to you - just sign off with four '~' characters. Also, I think it would be best to discuss this issue on the Talk:Marin Čilić page, not here on my page, as Wikipedia works by consensus and that needs the input of others and not just me -- Boing!   said Zebedee  (talk) 10:00, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

England v Hungary (1953)
See the discussion page please?

Also were you so objective to the changes actioned in the major rewrite that was recently actioned to that article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.181.14.50 (talk) 20:34, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi. I am not making any judgment on the actual changes - I am just pointing out that if you make large-scale reversions of another editor's changes, you need to provide sufficient explanation. Your explanation on the Talk page seems to be entirely insufficient - you need to be much more specific than that. Also, you should add an explanation to every edit summary that you do - I have added my comments to the Talk:England v Hungary (1953) page. -- Boing!   said Zebedee  (talk) 20:46, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Park Chan-wook
Thank you for updating as a table at Park Chan-wook article. Have a good time. -- Kookyunii (talk) 13:36, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Myrtos
Dear Zebedee

I am completely new here, please give me a nice break, I have adjusted the Dutch page about Mirtos so far and tonight I am starting the English page further, so I made a start adjusting the links Pirgos and Fournou Korifi, which were dead links. I also have a family live :-) So did not have the time to move them to the right place.

Tonight I will start to expand it and write the history section, it may take several hours, so please, with all respect, be patient :-)))

Best regards

Ron Vos

--Ron Vos (talk) 20:12, 30 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi Ron. Welcome to Wikipedia. I wasn't trying to be impatient - I was just helping by moving the new comments to the appropriate place. As Wikipedia is a live encyclopedia, we can't really expect all of its users to "have patience" because an editor doesn't have time to finish what they've started, and if you leave things in an unfinished state, other editors will step in and finish/move/correct things - I'll pop over to your own talk page and offer some guidelines Boing!   said Zebedee  04:52, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Dear Zedebee

Thank you for all the usefull suggestions, I understand them and will act accordingly in the future. Please note that my native language is Dutch, so if you should notice ANY spelling mistakes, please feel free to correct them, I have done my best to write in the best English I know, but you never know, do you ? :-) I am happy that you are content with my contributions, at the moment I am working on both the Dutch and the English version of Mirtos (Myrtos), so there might be a lot more to come. By the way the right name of Myrtos is Mirtos, but I can't find a way to correct in the article. Have a nice sunday and we will talk later.

Best regards

Ron Vos

--Ron Vos (talk) 12:13, 31 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi Ron, don't worry about any problems with English spelling or grammar etc - your English does seem to be pretty good. Getting good quality information added to Wikipedia articles is what's really important, and we can easily fix up any minor spelling/grammar issues later - I'd be very happy to help with that if you like, so feel free to leave me a note any time. Concerning the name Mirtos, I use some tools that enable me to rename (move) a page, so if you change the name within the article and let me know when you're done, I can rename the article. (And on a personal note, I'm a big fan of the Dutch - I think you're possibly the coolest people in Europe ;-)
 * Boing!  said Zebedee  12:39, 31 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi Zebedee

You know what I am very happy about?. This: http://stats.grok.se/en/201001/Myrtos

Also the Dutch page has had a dip the last year and shows equal statistic growth. Thank you for calling us cool, I am certain that many others call me other names :-)) Doesn't matter, result is my objective and all means are allowed (almost ;-)

The reason that I called in your help is that I can't find a way to change the name Myrtos, everywhere in the article I kept the right name Mirtos, but the title can not be changed by me it seems. Well, I keep on moving to the next article, all your help in grammar issues is welcome, thanks in advance...

Best regards

Ron Vos

--Ron Vos (talk) 20:04, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

By the way Zebedee

On the Dutch Mirtos page of Wikipedia, the link to www.myrtos.org has been removed due to lots of dead links, I will not judge upon that, but I agree, perhaps it can be replaced by my website www.mirtos.org, a.k.a. www.mirtos-reizen.nl, with 1800+ photo's and movies about East Crete and a lot of information?.

In Dutch, English and Greek (yeah :-)) Why make a website about Japan in English and German and not in the native language grin....

--Ron Vos (talk) 20:48, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Hi Zebedee

Then again, why not ? I will do it.. Please feel free to undo it.

Tnx

Ron

--Ron Vos (talk) 22:33, 31 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Nice work Ron - I've done a bit of copy-editing and have responded over on your Talk page
 * Boing!  said Zebedee  15:35, 1 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi Zebedee

Thanks for the tips and your spelling check, looks very good this way.

--Ron Vos (talk) 22:23, 1 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi Zebedee

Yesterday I have added an article about the traffic on the Myrtos page, as you know my native language is Dutch, so I would appreciate it if you or anyone else would check the grammar and language, I have done my utmost best to translate it in the right way, but you never know ...

Best regards --Ron Vos (talk) 10:16, 8 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi Ron. I'm going to be a bit busy over the next few days, but as soon as I have some time to spare, I'll be happy to take a look at it -- Boing!   said Zebedee  03:19, 9 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Tnx Zebedee for the efforts, looks nice this way, especially technical terms in English are still hard for me.

--Ron Vos (talk) 10:28, 11 February 2010 (UTC)


 * No problem. Lack of command of more technical terms is understandable, but not really important. What counts is that you write clear understandable English, which is then very easy to copy-edit. -- Boing!   said Zebedee

=February 2010=

warning
be careful --Solpg (talk) 06:02, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Do you have any suggestions as to what I should be careful of? Actually, any clue what you're talking about would help. Best regards, Boing!   said Zebedee  06:06, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh well, blocked anyway now. Thanks for . Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 06:31, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
 * NP - didn't take long to spot it was just vandalism ;-) Boing!   said Zebedee  06:36, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Welcome
Welcome to Wikipedia. Hell no, I didn't mind you making a suggestion on my talk page, but you are wrong where you infer I don't AGF. Some contributors with the greatest intentions post absolute rubbish. I have a pet peeve, and that is that some people here will chastise others for their edits to a particular article, but do not themselves make edits to that article that scream out to be made. Nellie Bly for example. The name of the article is Nellie Bly, so that is how the intro should start (a la Kate Capshaw and a zillion others). But you never changed it. When you see an edit summary you dislike, which hints that there is something wrong with the article, do you only contact the editor, but not edit the article? Like, act only as a policeman and not a contributor? Never mind, I will change the intro. I trust you will back me up if it is reverted. 222.152.171.61 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 20:09, 2 February 2010 (UTC).
 * As you have repeated this on your own Talk page, I have replied over there. -- Boing!   said Zebedee  05:54, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Yehuda Amichai
I appreciate your comments very much. It can be very lonely, this battle against faceless entities suffering from a variety of strange obsessions. --Gilabrand (talk) 06:35, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Talkback
-- Lear's Fool (talk | contribs) 13:53, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Re: your deletion of lead content on Ron Wyatt
I reverted your deletion from the lead. The leads of articles should be a summary of the whole article, giving due weight to criticism if it's included in the article. It doesn't need to be sourced in itself, as the source is the body of the article. Auntie E. (talk) 02:23, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah, OK, that makes sense, thanks. -- Boing!   said Zebedee  11:17, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your RfA Support
User: - Thanks for your participation and support in my recent successful RfA. Your confidence and trust in me is much appreciated. As a new admin I will try hard to keep from wading in too deep over the tops of my waders, nor shall I let the Buffalo intimidate me.--Mike Cline (talk) 09:43, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
 * You're very welcome - Wikipedia needs more fly fishermen :-) -- Boing!   said Zebedee  10:03, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Talkback
- also I love your user name. JamesBWatson (talk) 19:59, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks :-) -- Boing!   said Zebedee  03:33, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

Hi
I see that you created the article List of shopping malls in Thailand. Thanks for your hard work. I am living in Pattaya. There are several new malls that have opened recently. The new ones do not have articles as yet--I will try to work on them as I have time. Yesterday was Chinese New Year. There was a great dragon dance with fireworks at Mike Shopping Mall. Then later there was a similar dragon about 20 meters long that paraded up Walking Street. Regards, รัก-ไทย (talk) 19:58, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi รัก-ไทย (I like the name - I love everything Thai too, well, most things ;-). That article is actually a replacement for a very messy and confused original version that had grown to include chain stores, dept stores, supermarkets, shopping districts, etc (which consensus suggests shouldn't be included), with lots of bad links, very few references, and no alphabetical order - I did the same for List of shopping malls in Bangkok too, but they both still need work. I look forward to your additions. (I'm in Bangkok most of the time, but headed for the UK for a few months shortly). -- Boing!   said Zebedee  02:26, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

Sean Ali
Sean Ali, he needs to have strong sources. He needs to cite his sources. Don't get me wrong, i am not vandalizing his. I am posting what i know, don't mean any harm.. I wont do it again. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.148.14.146 (talk) 09:03, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
 * The article is already marked as having its notability in doubt. If you wish to question any of content of the article, please do so on the Talk page, and do not add abusive comments or unsourced personal judgment to the article itself, like, and --  Boing!   said Zebedee  09:13, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

email not a notable source
Regarding my edit at http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Barenaked_Ladies&oldid=344232585 The email was an official notice from the organizer of the cruises (Sixthman). How can I make this edit be credible? Sorry, this was my first edit. Asavitzk (talk) 05:28, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi. Welcome to Wikipedia. The information needs to be published somewhere by a notable, verifiable, source that you can provide a reference to - see WP:SOURCE. Readers cannot verify what an email (which is a private communication) says, so something like the publishing of the same information on a web site is what's really needed (and if the cruise organizer is any good, I'd hope they'd do that too). Best regards -- Boing!   said Zebedee  05:37, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Talkback
 SKATER  Speak. 07:31, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

your removal
Well, rather than removing what I wrote, I wish you would have improved it. I tried to summarize the information I provided. The names of the tourists - 3 Americans and a Uruguayan - might be added, as well as the date. The incident where they were detained happened in the last month and there was a press release. Also, if one is translating from a source in another language, how does one properly cite that? As far as the imprisonment of and false charges against Juan Manuel Martinez, well I talked to his wife and sister at a public prayer meeting for his release in Dec. 2008, so I am certain of his having been detained, as to his innocence, how do you prove a negative, that he didn't do it? A judge has ruled there was insufficient evidence against Juan Martinez and there is a photo in existence showing three other men shooting guns at the time of Brad's death, I think it was mentioned and/or shown earlier in the article. It was clearly an injustice that Brad was shot and killed while working as a journalist and that his killer(s) have not been punished. It is a further injustice that an innocent person who was actually on the same side of the struggle as Brad Will was framed as his murderer and in prison over a year. I tried to carefully word what I wrote but I am not a writer. What is your knowledge of the subject? I also corrected the date the PFP arrived in Oaxaca because I was present, so if one witnesses something first hand, what type of citation should be provided? Before I corrected it the article stated that the following day the President changed his mind and decided to send in the PFP, which is clearly not factual since they arrived the night before. I wonder why you would remove my factually correct information but not the incorrect information previously in the article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.246.179.131 (talk) 22:57, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi, it would be a great help if you could provide a link to the article you're talking about when you comment here, and please sign your comments with four tildes ( ~ ). The addition you made was unreferenced, was not written from a neutral point of view, and expressed your personal opinion very strongly - see WP:NPOV. Information you have gathered yourself, for example as a first hand witness or by speaking to people involved, counts as original research, and cannot be added to Wikipedia articles - see WP:OR. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a news or an investigative source, and only material that is notable and verifiable can be added - see WP:NOTE and WP:VERIFY. Also, if you have a close personal connection to a topic, it is recommended that you do not write about it as there is the strong possibility of a conflict of interest - see WP:COI.
 * Why didn't I improve it? Well, for one thing, I didn't have any sources to work from. And secondly, I simply don't have enough time to copy-edit everything I see that breaches Wikipedia policy - if you want to add content to Wikipedia articles, it's your responsibility to reference it and write according to Wikipedia policy, not mine. (Regarding foreign language sources, they can be cited if no English language ones are available - though English language ones are preferred). -- Boing!   said Zebedee  06:53, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Hi. I'm sorry if I was unaware of the rules regarding contributing, I simply saw incorrect and incomplete information and corrected it. Your opinion that I have a close personal connection is incorrect, I did not know Brad Will. Where is your cited source for that opinion? Are you willing to edit yourself? However I was present in Oaxaca at the time of the information I provided. You have not addressed why you edited the information I provided but had allowed to stand the previous incorrect information. It was not referenced in any way either, AND it was incorrect. Why is first hand reporting of something that happens in your presence not valid? There may be an article somewhere that the previous contributor has seen that incorrectly asserts that the PFP arrived on the 28th, but that would not make it true - I was present when the airport was closed to commercial traffic on Oct 27th and the PFP started to arrive. Also you again stated that I used non-neutral language, but which words or phrases do you mean? Is the word injustice not allowed? What word would you prefer to describe an innocent person jailed more than a year for political reasons? What word more accurately describes the failure to arrest the known murderers because of political reasons? Or the overnight detention of persons who question the previous situations? Perhaps I should have just used the word "Update" as a heading, and if you had made that change, that would be reasonable. I expected others might expand the important events that I described in the update, but wanted to at least begin a description that went beyond 2007. You say you don't have time to check my material, but you allowed to stand other contributions in the same article that are not cited and are incorrect. I don't understand why what I contributed was held to a different standard than other material in the same article. Before I changed it, the article had stated that the Mexican president changed his mind and decided to send in the PFP to Oaxaca the day AFTER they arrived. Someone else imagined the leader of a country changing his mind and implied cause and effect based on a reversed order of events, but you had allowed all that to stand. I know it is a popular conception that Brad Will's death triggered the arrival of the PFP, but I have not seen any evidence of that. It may be true or not. I guess eventually someone who knows how to meet your standards will contribute the information that I tried to summarize. Other articles on wikipedia are filled with incorrect information about the events in Oaxaca in 2006, and I have read the discussions about it where people talked to each other and tried to work out what really happened. I thought to someday enter those conversations and try to clarify certain things, since by coincidence I was there. I expected someone might do that here, and if you were someone who had knowledge about what happened, we could compare facts and that might be useful. I was not referring to any one article, there are many articles about each thing I stated. Just because something is written in an article, that does not make it true. I thought the standard here was agreement on information among many independent sources. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.246.179.131 (talk) 09:51, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi. I have explained why I removed your addition, so please see the Wikipedia policy articles I referred you to. One that I didn't mention was Truth, which explains that verifiability and not truth is the arbiter of material added to Wikipedia. Please note that I did not claim you had a personal connection, I merely pointed out that if you did, you might be risking WP:COI - if you don't, that's fine. And the reason I removed your addition and not someone else's is simply because I happened to be doing WP:RCP when yours was added, and I wasn't when the other one was. If you want to add your new material, please find a verifiable source you can reference, and add it using neutral wording without personal judgment. -- Boing!   said Zebedee  10:34, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
 * PS: If you wish to discuss the events in question, you'd be better off doing so on the article's own Talk page rather than here, as that might lead to someone coming up with good sources for you. -- Boing!   said Zebedee  10:46, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

I do not see where I used non neutral wording or personal judgment, so I don't see how I would do it any better. From what you state, if I wrote an article and someone quoted me, what I experienced first hand could be included. It is illogical to only accept quotes from a first hand source but not a first hand source. At this point I would be happy if you removed all input of mine and all our discussions and most of all I don't want to see anything about any page with or without messages, I will refrain from contributing and will just read wikipedia like before, although I will place a lesser value on its accuracy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.246.179.131 (talk) 14:31, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi. Your heading "Update: Injustice Heaped on Injustice" is your own personal judgment, which is against Wikipedia policy - whether your judgment is accurate or not. And yes, if you wrote an article and a notable and trustworthy source quoted you, that quotation could then be used, in the same way that newspaper reports can be used to state that "XXX said YYY" - but not to present "YYY" as the truth. If the notability rule did not apply, anyone could write anything they wanted, claiming it was the truth - and there are a lot of far less honest people out there than your good self. And as I say, you did not provide any references for any of the material you added. I don't make the rules, but it is how encyclopedias work - they publish a summary of information from referenced secondary sources, and don't publish first-hand accounts or any judgment by their contributors. Best regards -- Boing!   said Zebedee  16:20, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for removing the messages that appeared every time I entered Wiki. Maybe this link would have backed up most of what I wrote www.rsf.org/spip.php?page=article&id_article=36504 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.246.179.131 (talk) 04:39, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
 * The messages were just Talkback notifications that I left as a courtesy to let you know I'd replied to you here - once you've read your talk page, it automatically stops alerting you that you have new messages. But I'm not notifying you any further as you seem to object to it, so you may miss my replies here unless you are watching. If you have a link that you think is useful for the article and which provides notability to part of the story, please feel free to add the story (neutrally) and provide the reference. There's no point just telling me about it here - this is not about proving you right or wrong, it is about providing citations for material you add to articles. (By the way, I note that the article does already have a mention of the arrest - it was poorly formatted, but was referenced, so I cleaned it up) -- Boing!   said Zebedee  04:52, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Thank you.
I don't believe we've ever interacted on Wikipedia before, but I'd like to thank you for defending me in a time when I was not able to defend myself. Obviously the first sentence of WP:V means nothing. But once again I thank you. I'm going to attempt to cut back on my editing of that and other pages as the good I was trying to do was very much unappreciated even though I wasn't the one breaking the WP:RS and WP:V rules. If there is anything I can ever do, please do not be afraid to send me a message. Once again, I thank you. --HELLØ   ŦHERE 01:45, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
 * No problem - happy to help -- Boing!   said Zebedee  02:51, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Talkback
Osarius That's me! : Naggin' again? : What did I do?! 08:19, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Peter de Beer
re your comment in the afd — delete+merge is unacceptable. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Many otters • One bat • One hammer) 19:32, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
 * That's not really very helpful without saying why - I've asked you over on the AfD page -- Boing!   said Zebedee  03:09, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Hello
I have stated a slightly longer rationale on the talk page of Sexual slavery. Is there some objection? It seems evident that this material does not belong here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.187.29.19 (talk) 03:49, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi. Thanks for the alert. My reason for reverting your change was simply that the removal of what is clearly contentious content needs to be discussed first. I'll pop over to the Talk page and have a think about what you say. -- Boing!   said Zebedee  03:53, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Final discussion for Requests for comment/Biographies of living people
Hello, I note that you have commented on the first phase of Requests for comment/Biographies of living people

As this RFC closes, there are two proposals being considered:
 * 1) Proposal to Close This RfC
 * 2) Alternate proposal to close this RFC: we don't need a whole new layer of bureaucracy

Your opinion on this is welcome. Okip  02:08, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Vajra
Whats to discuss, WP:V says provide RS, prefereably inline, or material may be removed ? Any editor who feesl strongly about the article, and wants to save it, can provide RS. 188.116.2.127 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 06:18, 24 February 2010 (UTC).
 * This discussion should be on the article's Talk page, so I have copied your comment over there and have replied -- Boing!   said Zebedee  06:50, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Brittany Murphy
Hi there, please see the bottom of the Brittany Murphy discussion page; Thanks Dvmedis (talk) 07:11, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi, thanks for the pointer - I'll reply over there. -- Boing!   said Zebedee  07:14, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

Re: Revert
You reverted an edit I made to the Abortion Debate page stated that it was "unexplained blanking" however if you see the talk page I explained that I was removing unsourced arguments. But don't worry, somebody fixed it.
 * Repeated on user talk page, so replied there -- Boing!   said Zebedee  07:03, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Propaganda Due and Licio Gelli
Sir, WHAT right do you have to remove my edits and threaten to block me? This is nothing but bullying, sir, and it is NOT okay! Given the content of the information I am trying to see added on Gelli, one of the biggest living uncaught criminals of our time, perhaps I should have suspected it, however!

How DARE you, sir? 76.89.199.202 (talk) 14:16, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Every Wikipedia editor has the right to revert the addition of material that is in breach of Wikipedia policies. As I suggested on your Talk page, you need to read WP:RS, WP:BLP, WP:NPOV, and WP:CIVIL -- Boing!   said Zebedee  14:20, 28 February 2010 (UTC)


 * I've read those articles, Boing. Nothing I added was seriously against Wikipedia policy.  Quite honestly and frankly, your edits amount to censorship and harassment of MY views, sir.  I will be attempting to find an administrator who outranks you on IRC, later, to complain about you to, and see what disciplinary action might be taken against YOUR account for unnecessary censorship.  Can you tell me WHAT on Earth gives you the balls to think that threatening to block me over trying to do MY work on Wikipedia honestly is okay?    76.89.199.202 (talk) 14:24, 28 February 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm reverting them back again, Boing, and if you get in an edit war over this with me or try to have me blocked, I will do the same thing to you. This isn't "protection" of Wikipedia from harassment, Boing, it's censorship, and amounts to harassment of me.  I have done nothing deserving of being blocked over and what you are doing is very nearly akin to threatening me on the street out of the blue.  The information I am entering is legitimate and your own pedantry does not make it less so, sir or madam.  76.89.199.202 (talk) 14:27, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
 * If you have read those policies I referred you to, then it would appear that you can't have understood them. For example, when you referred to "censorship and harassment of MY views", you clearly cannot have understood that you must not add your personal views to Wikipedia - again see WP:NPOV, and also see WP:OR. Also your earlier comment, claiming that someone is "one of the biggest living uncaught criminals of our time" is also clearly expressing a strong personal viewpoint, and that is expressly forbidden by WP:NPOV and WP:BLP. Of course, if you disagree with my interpretation of Wikipedia policy and you disagree with my actions, you are very welcome to complain to an admin and seek to have the policies explained to whichever of us has interpreted them incorrectly. -- Boing!   said Zebedee  14:37, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
 * This is a talk page, Boing!!!! The information I have added to those pages is not a "strong personal viewpoint"!  I didn't say that in the article!  What, I can't edit Wiki now because I EXPERIENCE EMOTION?  Jesus Christ, sir, you are arrogant.  If you don't like what I put in, then rather than censor the Internet, you have a responsibility to absorb and add the information described in this article about the suspection of Gelli in the murder of Pope John Paul I YOURSELF, not just take it out because YOU don't agree with it.  Your ego sickens me.  http://www.crc-internet.org/oct84.htm 76.89.199.202 (talk) 14:40, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
 * As you are clearly refusing to be civil - see WP:CIVIL, I will not discuss this with you further. -- Boing!   said Zebedee  14:45, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Nothing I added violates NPOV/neutral point of view. You are NOT more of an authority on the subject than David Yallop - whose source material forms most of the information I am adding.  I don't know what on Earth makes you think you have the authority to act like you're more fit to edit those articles than me, Boing.  No, I am not intentionally trying to "vandalise" Gelli's article, I am adding REAL information by a REAL journalist.  Personally, I suspect you'll just keep reverting me until I find an administrator outranking you to plead my OWN case to, so maybe I ought to stop wasting MY time pretending that I can teach you what "NPOV" really means, Boing.  Censoring what I put in isn't "neutral", at all, because the information is absolutely verifiable.  Yes, David Yallop and others DO think Gelli killed John Paul I, and there's nothing wrong with that source link.  What's going on here is YOU violating NPOV because you don't agree with the source material, so you're taking it out.  And I'm willing to fight on this one.  And Christ, Boing, if you're going to be editing pages on Mafiosos, don't cry to death about WP:CIVIL every time somebody adds something controversial.  It's just so utterly weak of you.  I am indeed being civil, at least relative to the depth and criminality of the issues being discussed - but you can't handle it, friend.  These are topics involving high crime, murder, and political corruption on a grand scale, REGARDLESS of whether or not Gelli killed Pope John Paul I - just look at what is ALREADY present in Propaganda Due - that's not my "emotion" talking, it's just plain fact.  Emotions are going to run strong and you ARE going to see information you disagree with.  It is incumbent on YOU to be strong enough to be able discuss these things if you plan on stewarding those pages.  76.89.199.202 (talk) 14:50, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Given your refusal to discuss the issue any further with me, but your continued desire to revert my edits, you may also wish to read the article on passive-aggressive behavior, Boing. If you're going to edit articles involving corruption and criminal Freemasonic activity, you need to show the courage to discuss the issues involved, and not just run off calling WP:CIVIL. 76.89.199.202 (talk) 15:09, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
 * You're the one who's blocked now, not me -- Boing!   said Zebedee  15:12, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

=March 2010=

Boring
boring —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.217.130.199 (talk) 10:37, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, I guess I don't share your intellectual humour in not finding your replacing article content with "i farted" all that exciting -- Boing!   said Zebedee  10:41, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Ooops
Sorry! It's either a bug of Huggle or a bug of my brain :) The message was that this user had 2 edit's and whether I wanted to revert both, but 2 times in a row it turned out that I reverted the revertion! I'll be more careful next time! -- Egmontaz  ♤  talk  15:49, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I suspect it's actually a bug in the reversion software somewhere, as I'm pretty sure I've seen same thing with Twinkle - it decides there are two edits to revert, then someone gets in a new edit, and then it reverts the new one and only one of the bad ones. -- Boing!   said Zebedee
 * Yes now that I checked the histories I'm sure that happened what you said. . The IP's have two edits, I'm warned about that, I deside to revert both and then someone else gets in the way and his&1IP edit are reverted. I'm going to report this for huggle to get fixed or at least for people to know. Am afraid though that I'll find out that it's already reported and that I should have already read that before using the software :) Regards!-- Egmontaz  ♤  talk  16:01, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Congrats
Great going. You have the patience of an angel...--Gilabrand (talk) 07:04, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
 * You're very kind - I guess any new registrations or IP edits that continue the same can now be reported as socks of a blocked user -- Boing!   said Zebedee  07:06, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for finding a way to address it without me making it my life's work.--Epeefleche (talk) 07:07, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Category vandal
Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive582 or ask User:Redvers. 80.176.233.6 (talk) 07:04, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks - might it be worth adding, say, "see ANI" to your edit summaries, or expanding your reason? As it stands, it could be read as you boasting that you are the category vandal - I've seen similar before. Best regards -- Boing!   said Zebedee  07:09, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

Prime Minister or President of the Council of Ministers?
Hi

Re the above, I have noticed that you have undone my changes to show "President of the Council of Ministers" instead of "Prime Minister" on the article about Silvio Berlusconi.

Whilst I understand your reasoning, the two expressions have different meanings. Saying that the role of an Italian President of the Council of Ministers is similar to that of, say, a British Prime Minister, does not necessarily mean that the two roles are identical.

If this article was on a blog, I would agree with you - "Prime Minister" might be slightly easier to understand but this is an encyclopaedia and we must be 100% accurate when deciding what words/titles we should use.

A good way around your point might be to create a link to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_of_the_Council_of_Ministers

Kind regards

Piero (unsigned comments by Witney79, Talk. 04 March 2010)


 * Hi Piero, This needs to be discussed over on the article's Talk page, so I've copied your comments and have replied over there -- Boing!   said Zebedee  07:29, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

Speedy deletion converted to PROD: Bogosi jwa Bakwena & The History of Goo Ntloedibe Kgotla in Molepolole
Hello Boing! said Zebedee. I am just letting you know that I have converted the speedy deletion tag that you placed on Bogosi jwa Bakwena & The History of Goo Ntloedibe Kgotla in Molepolole to a proposed deletion tag, because I do not believe CSD applies to the page in question - it could not be described as "a very short article"! Thank you. JohnCD (talk) 17:20, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah, yes, thanks - good point! I just used Twinkle and didn't realise that one was for short articles only. -- Boing!   said Zebedee  17:46, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

Charlesdowney
This is charlesdowney, I am sorry for what I've posted I forget to read the guideline in posting, it will never happen again.

Thanks,

Charlesdowney —Preceding unsigned comment added by Charlesdowney (talk • contribs) 22:39, 5 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Hey, no problem, we all have to start out somewhere - Welcome to Wikipedia -- Boing!   said Zebedee  06:07, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

Vajra
Dear User Boing! I am informing you as a courtesy that I shall be cleaning up the article Vajra. Please leave a message on my talk or a Talkback, so that there is no mutual disruptive editing. Somendas (talk) 06:23, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Mitrice Richardson
Articles for deletion/Mitrice Richardson Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 > haneʼ 09:10, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks -- Boing!   said Zebedee  09:11, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Roshan Chirag
Hello Boing! said Zebedee. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Roshan Chirag, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: There is sufficient context to identify the subject of the article. Thank you. ( talk→  BWilkins   ←track ) 09:52, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks for letting me know. -- Boing!   said Zebedee  12:07, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Speedy deletion converted to PROD: Smirky's Law
Hello Boing! said Zebedee. I am just letting you know that I have converted the speedy deletion tag that you placed on Smirky's Law to a proposed deletion tag, because I do not believe CSD applies to the page in question. Thank you. Olaf Davis (talk) 10:57, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks - It seemed like made-up stuff and I was unsure myself. -- Boing!   said Zebedee  12:06, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Sosyal çalışma
Hello Boing! said Zebedee. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Sosyal çalışma, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: I've tagged as not english instead. Thank you.  Ϣere Spiel  Chequers  13:45, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah, yes, thanks - that's better -- Boing!   said Zebedee  13:46, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Another just like it except
I also created Articles for deletion/Chae Hyun Moon, which is much the same only without a book if you would like to look at that one too. I liked your Keep arguments in the other, which is why I thought these needed a full discussion. Cheers,  Dloh  cierekim  15:09, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks for the pointer - to avoid repetition I'll see how the first discussion goes, and add my final opinion to this new one then. -- Boing!   said Zebedee  15:32, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: LogicalDOC (software)
Hello Boing! said Zebedee. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of LogicalDOC (software), a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: The article makes a credible assertion of importance or significance, sufficient to pass A7. Thank you. The Wordsmith Communicate 20:54, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for letting me know - as I said on the Talk, I agreed with the originator's contesting of my CSD after it had been improved. -- Boing!   said Zebedee  00:39, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

I need help, please, signé , Bélacua II !
Can you translate that, but please ! 

Pictures

Le diacétate de cellulose, appelé parfois simplement diacétate, est un polymère artificiel. En effet, il est fabriqué par traitement de la cellulose par l'acide acétique.

Il est constitué de deux molécules d'acétate sur une couche de cellulose, d'où son nom.

Il est à différencier des acétate de cellulose et triacétate de cellulose.

Il est fragile parce qu'à base de cellulose. Lorsqu'il se détériore, la cellulose se rétracte et libère l'acide acétique, ce qui provoque un « syndrome du vinaigre ». Le diacétate de cellulose a été utilisé pour fabriquer des tissus, des membranes, des filaments, ainsi que des films pour le cinéma amateur de 1922 à 1957. Il a été utilisé principalement dans les Nformats réduits de pellicule, tels le 8 mm, le 16  mm, le 35 mm et le 70 mm Cellulose diacetate Diacetato de celulosa Diacetato di cellulosa Diacétato de céllulosa
 * Sorry, I don't speak the language well enough - I could order a seafood platter and a bottle of Sancerre, but that's about my limit. -- Boing!   said Zebedee  11:44, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

List of shopping malls in Thailand
Hi, Thanks for your work on List of shopping malls in Thailand. I live in Pattaya, and will add a few new ones recently opened. The new Central mall is reported as the largest resort mall in Asia--quite spectacular. There is another one in north Pattaya that I will add. I agree with your deletion of Lotus and other department stores. Let me know any other suggestions you might have. รัก-ไทย (talk) 15:25, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Great, thanks - look forward to your new additions. -- Boing!   said Zebedee  15:44, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Future plc
Hi - there was no vandalism on Future plc but thanks for the concern. It was my way of putting something across. 195.92.244.21 (talk) 20:02, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks - the edit summary had made it sound a bit dodgy :-) -- Boing!   said Zebedee  20:04, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Nuh Keller
Thank you for the note —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zionlove2 (talk • contribs) 06:46, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

speedy deletion of Sotebi art.
Hi, Thanks for removing speedy deletion notice.

I know my article is genuine and hopefully the info added to it will allow it to grow,

Brian —Preceding unsigned comment added by Brianbwsb (talk • contribs) 07:39, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Brianbwsb (talk) 07:41, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Re the decline
User:Satori Son declined the Speedy nom.......but he did drop by to !vote delete in the AfD. Niteshift36 (talk) 23:11, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah, that's cool, thanks for letting me know. -- Boing!   said Zebedee  23:16, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

hongon
listen you may know a lot on the big words but when it comes to knowledge my page is well more experianced than yours will ever be so you keep your pages if i could i would delete them because they dont educate i am not teaching better than you on wikipedia but i am giving better ways and educating better than you will ever do i am giving to thw way to teach and write and if you delte my page again it is simply because you are jelous of my pages because they are so great so back off.

Previous unsigned comment was signed by Excirial ( Contact me, Contribs ) for Shaqaimeiele


 * Any comment would be superfluous -- Boing!   said Zebedee  13:22, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks
Hi. Thanks for fixing up my Talkpage. Concerning that Worldwide News page, the author has recreated the same nonsense about 7 or 8 times over the past few days, and has had it speedily deleted every time - and I see it is already deleted again. -- Boing!   said Zebedee  13:21, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
 * And the user is now blocked. -- Boing!   said Zebedee  13:27, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
 * No problem at all. I considered just removing the nonsensical content altogether but then again i figured you might actually want to reply - or that it was part of a larger situation. And part of me thought that you might actually get a good laugh out of a text containing the sentences "educating better than you will ever do" and "you are jelous" in tandem with a cartload of spelling errors. :)  Excirial ( Contact me, Contribs ) 13:41, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I did enjoy it, yes, thanks :-) -- Boing!   said Zebedee  13:44, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Depp
You have deleted a important part of the German meaning. You want to have a reference, then see German proverbs: Depp der Nation --78.43.8.154 (talk) 11:31, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi. There were a number of problems with your recent changes to Depp. Firstly, if you want to assert that there is a derogatory meaning to the name, the onus is on you to show that it is notable and provide a reliable reference, not on me to look it up. Secondly, changing the Johnny Depp link to say he is a Dutch hockey player could be considered vandalism. And thirdly, as the second link added to the page was to a German article, and as Wikipedia doesn't have cross-Wiki disambig pages, there was no need to change the redirect into a disambig page in the first place. -- Boing!   said Zebedee  11:37, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Acting under a description
If you have the time, please revisit Acting under a description. Revisions have been made, but it is still under development. Your guidance would be appreciated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Amerywu (talk • contribs) 08:11, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi. I'm really sorry I haven't had time to review your article, though I said I would - It does look better now, and clearly good enough to keep. I'll try to have a closer look at it and maybe suggest improvements (or possibly even add to it myself) when I have some free time. -- Boing!   said Zebedee  16:39, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Delayed grief
You can't merge and delete. That would violate GFDL as it would transfer authorship. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Many otters • One bat • One hammer) 17:21, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi. I've replied on the AfD page. (Thanks for alerting me here, but there's actually no need for you to copy your AfD comments here on my Talk page too, as I'm always watching AfD pages that I comment on and will see any comments there) -- Boing!   said Zebedee  17:39, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

Thank U!
Thank U so much!!! this is my first Barnstar!! thanx again!! :-) MariAna_MiMi (Talk) 21:36, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
 * You're very welcome - the work you do cleaning up references is the kind that easily goes unnoticed, but I think it's essential. -- Boing!   said Zebedee  21:39, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

Photo of military coup Thailand
Hi there, the photo File:BKK24090615.jpg was not meant as a POV statement but to show what was the reaction towards the coup on the part of some of the people from Bangkok. The scene of people making photos with their kids sitting on tanks is much more telling than the present photo (File:BKK21090604.jpg) which, to me at least, seems extremely non-informative as it only shows a bunch of soldiers hanging around on a street. It might as well be a photo of a group of soldiers having some time off from their duties on any ordinary day. Perhaps you would okay if the yellow shirt photo was placed back with a different caption such as "Bangkok supporters of the military coup flock to congratulate the soldiers"? The size of the photo also makes for better viewing as the present photo pushes down the red-shirt rally photo (which I had uploaded a few days ago) in to the section "Armed Forces" when viewed at a wider screen resolution. - Takeaway (talk) 10:49, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi. I was actually just reconsidering my revert when your message arrived, because I do agree it is actually a better photo - for the reasons you give. I'm just a bit concerned that any caption about "support" or "congratulate" might inadvertently suggest the coup had widespread support when it was, in fact, highly divisive. (And, in fact, a lot of people just went out to see it and have their photos taken rather than to offer support - I was there myself). Would something like "Bangkokians mingle with troops after the coup" work, do you think? -- Boing!   said Zebedee  11:07, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
 * PS: I've reverted my revert and put your new photo back - we can sort out the caption separately. -- Boing!   said Zebedee  11:18, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Seeing the amount of happy people wearing yellow shirts in the photo, I think it would be safe to say that at least some of them in this photo were indeed supporters of the military coup. I don't think that to describe them as supporters is POV when it is clear that they are due to them wearing their yellow shirts on a Friday.... ;-) I was in Chiang Mai at that time and even there some people handed flowers to the troops in support of the coup.
 * How about "Supporters of the coup and other curious Bangkokians mingle with the troops in the days after the military coup"? - Takeaway (talk) 11:30, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
 * OK, you've convinced me :-) I suppose the reds get their own photo too, so perhaps just "Coup supporters mingle with the troops"? (I think your latest suggestion is actually a bit too long). -- Boing!   said Zebedee  11:35, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

Okidoki! :-) - Takeaway (talk) 11:37, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

Treatment of lung cancer edit
I wanted to let you know that I started a new article on Targeted treatment of lung cancer. You had deleted, or proposed deleting, the last one I began. This one is far from finished, but I just wanted to give you a "heads up" that this was going on and to ask for you comments, help, etc. as you feel appropriate.

I also cordially invite you to check out the article I've written on "Combined small cell lung carcinoma". It is very nearly finished, but (obviously) requires a bit of "tweaking" here and there.

With many thanks and my very best regards: Cliff (a/k/a "Uploadvirus")

Cliff L. Knickerbocker, MS DDF 22:28, 25 March 2010 (UTC)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Uploadvirus (talk • contribs)
 * Hi. Thanks for letting me know, and apologies for not replying sooner - I was hoping to check out your new stuff and comment on it, but unfortunately I haven't really had the time. I've now had a quick look over your contributions, and it's all looking really very good indeed, with very good references. So, a belated welcome, and keep up the good work! Best regards -- Boing!   said Zebedee  15:36, 11 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Hello again! Thank you for your very kind words, and for taking time to double-check the contributions. I look forward to working with you in coming months and years. Best regards: Cliff L. Knickerbocker, MS (talk) 11:47, 12 April 2010 (UTC) P.S. - You're a Brit? This may be "off-topic", or even "inappropriate", but in any case, I want to extend to you and your countrymen my deep personal THANKS for the EXTREME sacrifices your soldiers and their families are making with regard to the military "issues" my country has become entangled in of late. Britain is a GREAT nation! Please forgive me if this sort of statement touches a nerve.Cliff L. Knickerbocker, MS (talk) 11:54, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Ron Wyatt
I edited the Ron Wyatt page because there are extremely biased editors editing religious pages to intentionally descredit or defame individuals by entering misleading statements. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nyasae (talk • contribs) 17:21, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Please see WP:NPOV and WP:RS. The Ron Wyatt article is appropriately sourced and currently appears to reflect the majority view of his claims. If you wish to change it to imply that his discoveries are true (eg by changing the heading "Claimed discoveries" to "Discoveries"), you will need to provide reliable sources that verify the actual discoveries he claimed - things like peer-reviewed papers by other archeologists who support him, in reliable archeological journals, should do the trick. -- Boing!   said Zebedee  17:34, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Thank You
A massive Thank you for getting rid of the vandalism on my talk page.--Welshsocialist (talk) 23:17, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
 * My pleasure. -- Boing!   said Zebedee  23:18, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Thailand - and how?
Are you from Thailand? And how can I put 1 reference in 2 places of the article?--118.172.189.233 (talk) 11:38, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi. I'm British, but my main home is in Thailand, where I spend about half my time (though I'm in the UK now).


 * To use the same ref in two places, you need to give it a name the first time you use it, something like...




 * Then the second and subsequent times all you need to do is...




 * ..and that will link to the same ref.


 * Best regards -- Boing!   said Zebedee  11:46, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

But I want to know that you're Thai race or UK race?--118.172.189.233 (talk) 11:47, 31 March 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm of British racial origin -- Boing!   said Zebedee  11:51, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Re: Midnight Radio and Television
Replied on my talk page. --Paul_012 (talk) 12:04, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi. I'm starting a section on the Talk page of the article - that's where this discussion needs to be -- Boing!   said Zebedee  12:05, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Re:MRTV-4
I see you have also been changing the article MRTV-4 to make it describe a Thai TV station. There genuinely appears to be an MRTV-4 station in Myanmar (the article provides good references). So if there is a Thai one too, you will need to create a new article with a new title, eg "MRTV-4 (Thailand)", and not over-write the Myanmar article. -- Boing!   said Zebedee  12:44, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

But these programs are from Thailand. I don't think MRTV-4 also exist in Myanmar. The stations I know in Myanmar are MTV1, MTV2, MTV International, MTV3, MTV4, MRTV, Myawady TV, MM. For the websites of mrtv3 and mrtv4 (.net.mm) are really MRTV, but it seperates to 2 websites, one in English and another in Burmese. (Click edit to see secret note!)--118.172.189.233 (talk) 12:55, 31 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Look, the references are there, provided in the article, and that's what Wikipedia is all about. Your personal knowledge, and that of any friends, are of no relevance unless you can provide reliable sources - see WP:RS. If you think there is a problem with the existing article, please open a discussion on the Talk page, explaining your reasoning, and state what you think is wrong with the references provided. Do not just rewrite the article without gaining consensus first - if you do so, you will receive warnings and will eventually be blocked if you continue. -- Boing!   said Zebedee  14:43, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

OK
OK, and I'm bored of doing this now this month, maybe I will do more next month (Not so long, just tomorrow), so please lock Midnight Radio and Television page, MRTV-3 page and MRTV-4 page for 1 day (edit=sysop move=sysop for 1 day, then tomorrow nonmembers can edit)--118.172.189.233 (talk) 15:02, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't have the ability to lock or unlock anything as I am not an admin. And there will be no need to do so if you will just follow Wikipedia policies and discuss contentious changes on the Talk pages first - if you keep edit-warring to get your unsourced changes in against the consensus, you will be blocked from editing. -- Boing!   said Zebedee  15:05, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
 * But someone will revert during I am not here. I don't wake up for 24 hours, and I don't play Wikipedia always--118.172.189.233 (talk) 15:08, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
 * OK so I will finish main article first.--118.172.189.233 (talk) 15:09, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Look, the onus is on you to provide justification as to why it should be changed in the first place, so without that justification, reversion is the correct action. If something needs to be changed, there is no urgency to do it, so it really doesn't matter whether it takes you 24 hours or 24 weeks to finish your article. So just leave the other articles alone until you have finished your new article, and then if you think others need to be changed, argue your case on the Talk pages and and achieve consensus first. I really am serious - if I see you engaging in further edit-warring I really will report your behavior for admin attention -- Boing!   said Zebedee  15:17, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Can you request
request any admins to lock, because the progress won't grow if Anthony still reverting —Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.172.189.233 (talk) 15:11, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
 * No. See my comment above. Finish your new article with reliable references, and just leave all the others alone until that one is done and reviewed - and sorry, but I really don't have time to spend all day repeating myself like this, so I will not reply further. -- Boing!   said Zebedee  15:19, 31 March 2010 (UTC)


 * See Talk:Myanmar Radio and Television. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 15:35, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Yep, thanks, I'm watching it - I created that section (plus the Edit War section) in an attempt to mediate -- Boing!   said Zebedee  15:50, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

MRTV-3
See that. I left a note at WP:AN/I just to see if more hands can't sift and sort. Cheers, Dloh  cierekim  15:22, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Good move, thanks - I still think this IP editor means well, but just doesn't seem to understand the Wikipedia basics. I guess we just need to keep an eye open. -- Boing!   said Zebedee  15:27, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Btw, the following might shed more light on it, if you haven't seen it - Talk:Myanmar Radio and Television -- Boing!   said Zebedee  15:35, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Anthony seems to have it well in hand. Dloh  cierekim  15:38, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Reply
I do not have any satellites or cable, but I can watch it, but i'm only 50% sure that MRTV exist in Thailand, as I see the ident said "MIDNIGHT RADIO TELEVISION" every times, and I see one program that I can't understand, and I just assume that it's Burmese. It is maybe some other languages.

Let's continue on the Lao LNTV3, it is said only in Thai wikipedia. And I tried google "LNTV3" and it comes only 1 and it's in Thai. But when I asked someone else but they say yes, it exist in Laos. No websites doesn't mean that the station doesn't exist. (In that blog already said that it's less-viewed).

And when I received it's not clear signal, maybe I'm doing a TV-DX by receiving Burmese one. But I'm not a DXer, so the chance is lower.

I am only 10% sure that MRTV-3 and MRTV-4 also exist. But for some most-viewed channel such as TV3 or TV7, I'm 100% sure because I'm watching it clearly and everywhere and everytime.--118.172.189.233 (talk) 17:05, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Please discuss it on Talk:Myanmar_Radio_and_Television, not here. -- Boing!   said Zebedee  17:10, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Barnstar

 * Wow, thanks, it's much appreciated -- Boing!   said Zebedee  17:26, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Gantlet
Have you ever considered running the gantlet? Dloh  cierekim  17:20, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
 * That's a very kind suggestion, and I do appreciate it, thanks. It's something I might try for in the future, but for now I'd really like to concentrate on some solid article work for a few months - there are quite a few new articles I want to create, and some I want to rework. I also want to get some more experience of CSD, AfD, NPP, before I think about admin seriously - I do a bit in all of them, but haven't been doing them for very long. And I also think it's good to spend some time mediating in disputes (like the current one) without admin status, as it helps keep my approach humble. -- Boing!   said Zebedee  17:39, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

It will be better to do this
I think that I need to check sources with you for few days. (Again, click edit to see)

--118.172.189.233 (talk) 17:25, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Sure, take as much time as you need to research sources - I'll be happy to help review them when you're ready (but remember, you need publicly-available sources - telling us what your friends say is not sufficient). -- Boing!   said Zebedee  17:29, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Re
I did not remove! But I move to Talk:Channel 3 (Thailand)--118.172.189.233 (talk) 18:13, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
 * You must not do that either - you must leave other people's comments as they wrote them, where they wrote them, and neither change, delete, nor move them. I strongly suggest that you give it a rest now, spend your time working on your new article, and just leave everything else alone -- Boing!   said Zebedee  18:17, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

I put some ref
I already put some refs, now don't block me--118.172.189.233 (talk) 18:31, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Do you have YouTube account?
Try private message to user fun17092008 if in Myanmar have MRTV or not. He/she is from Myanmar--118.172.189.233 (talk) 19:38, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
 * YouTube is not a reliable source as per WP:RS -- Boing!   said Zebedee  19:47, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
 * But at least it can help--118.172.189.233 (talk) 19:51, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
 * FUN17092008 IS ONLINE RIGHT NOW!!! BEFORE HE/SHE LOGGED OFF!!!--118.172.189.233 (talk) 19:56, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, but you have been provided with reliable evidence that MRTV is a Myanmar concern and that its TV channels exist and are notable - there is no question of that. I have no interest whatsoever in asking anonymous people on YouTube whose unsourced opinions count for nothing. If you can't or won't read WP:RS, then there is nothing I can do to help. I think I have been very patient with you, but now, will you please stop bothering me with this nonsense - I will review any future changes you make in accordance with Wikipedia's policies and will act accordingly, but that is all. -- Boing!   said Zebedee  20:06, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
 * But asking normal users can also help! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.172.189.233 (talk) 20:16, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't have YouTube account so I can't ask myself--118.172.189.233 (talk) 20:17, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Why don't you reply as fast as possible?--118.172.189.233 (talk) 20:19, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Why did you revert Midnight Radio and Television? Many Wikipedia articles does not have sources or references.--118.172.189.233 (talk) 20:23, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
 * That last change was a mistake, sorry - I have reverted it -- Boing!   said Zebedee  20:27, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

OK - I want to ask you, do you have YouTube account? I don't care about the fun17092008 until you say yes or no--118.172.189.233 (talk) 20:39, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

If I don't edit please see and check my new article that you revert by mistake, but if I can edit I will tell you.--118.172.189.233 (talk) 21:00, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
 * There's no need to tell me - I'm watching that article and will see any changes -- Boing!   said Zebedee  13:38, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

I will sleep. See you tomorrow.--118.172.189.233 (talk) 21:06, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

I won't go to April Fools now--118.172.189.233 (talk) 07:11, 1 April 2010 (UTC)