User talk:Boleyn

A barnstar for you!

 * Thanks,, and for your work on this. I have done it on and off for years and it's always nice to see others have been making a dent in it too. Boleyn (talk) 13:56, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Unreferenced geography stubs
Hi Boleyn! Thanks for all your work on the geography stubs (some of which need to be tossed for notability) - while I appreciate it, this has added about 130 articles to the November 2023 unreferenced articles category in a few hours. I know there are no hard rules about drive-by taggings, but if you have the time, would you please try to add a source or an external link to some of them? WikiProject Unreferenced articles has a very small handful of active users and our backlog is some 116,000 articles. We would also definitely appreciate having an editor of your caliber and experience involved if you'd be interested! Thank you and have a good evening. Best, Kazamzam (talk) 23:11, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I had no idea I had tagged so many, sorry - I know the tags need to be there as they are unreferenced, but I appreciate it doesn't feel nice when you are working on a backlog and it goes up! I will be mindful of that if I look through any more and see if I can add any sources. Thanks, Boleyn (talk) 11:53, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Much obliged :) Kazamzam (talk) 18:26, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

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, I created this as a redirect to Mark Hogan, which may still be useful. Pinging the eprson who overwrote it,. Boleyn (talk) 14:30, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

Nomination of Gilbert Affleck (disambiguation) for deletion
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 * See Deletion review/Log/2023 November 27. Pam  D  20:38, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Nomination of Thomas Ainsworth (disambiguation) for deletion
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 * I deleted the above two dab pages as WP:CSD. - UtherSRG (talk) 12:39, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I have asked @UtherSRG to reinstate those two valid dab pages as they had been taken to AfD and there had not been enough time for other editors to contribute to discussion. Pam  D  13:03, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * There are times an AFD can be quick closed. CSD is one of those reasons. - UtherSRG (talk) 13:08, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @UtherSRG Though your initial closes gave no such explanation. Pam  D  13:36, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Yeah, the tool I used which gives the "quick delete" option doesn't allow for any explanation. I've updated the AFDs to indicate G14 speedy. - UtherSRG (talk) 13:45, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

, this was a dab with about 6 entries and another with 4 entries, in no way candidates for deletion, never mind speedy. Unfortunately there is an editor nominating hundreds of dabs for deletions and the guidelines around MOS:DABRL and MOS:DABMENTION in particular aren't well-known. Please restore. Boleyn (talk) 17:34, 27 November 2023 (UTC)


 * From G14: This applies to the following disambiguation pages: Disambiguation pages that have titles ending in "(disambiguation)" but disambiguate only one extant Wikipedia page. The above two pages disambiguated only one extant Wikipedia page and some number of other non-extant pages. This makes them G14 eligible. - UtherSRG (talk) 17:55, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Ah, I see where you have got confused,. Both link to many pages (bluelinks). They don't have to be full articles on the person. See MOS:DABRL and MOS:DABMENTION. Boleyn (talk) 19:10, 27 November 2023 (UTC)


 * I am not confused. I disagree that there are multiple extant articles being disambiguated. - UtherSRG (talk) 19:26, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

See Deletion review/Log/2023 November 27. Pam D  20:38, 27 November 2023 (UTC)


 * I'm aware. - UtherSRG (talk) 21:23, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion nomination of Alfonso Téllez de Meneses el Mozo


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Collaborate
Hey, seeing you AfDing articles in that are in Category:Articles lacking sources from January 2024, I think you should join the discussion at WikiProject Unreferenced articles and help us deal with these backlogs. CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 14:56, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi,, thanks, I will have a look at the discussion. Boleyn (talk) 15:01, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much for clearing out the backlog! CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 16:36, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks, but just a bit of it, it's such a crazy backlog! Boleyn (talk) 16:45, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

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AFD Withdrawal
You can't CSD an AFD. You have to go through the withdraw/close process. I did the tasks for you. See Articles_for_deletion for more info, including a link to the withdraw/close process itself. - UtherSRG (talk) 19:37, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your help :) Boleyn (talk) 19:40, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

The Pot Bears a Son
Do You want to do the actual closure or should I? --Ouro (blah blah) 12:14, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi, if you know how to do it, that would be great. Thanks, Boleyn (talk) 12:16, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I know. I'll do it within the hour. --Ouro (blah blah) 12:17, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

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 * Thanks :) Probably something I should learn. Boleyn (talk) 13:09, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I could say the same about a lot of things :) have a nice day! --Ouro (blah blah) 13:36, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

Database Nation AfD
Hello! I've noticed that you nominated the Database Nation article about Simson Garfinkel's book for deletion. I've found multiple reliable sources and rewritten the article to include them. I think that this article was probably nominated by accident, as you mentioned the WP:MUSICBIO and this book is about privacy and has nothing to do with music.  Delta  space 42 (talk • contribs) 14:23, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks,, I will sort that out. All the best, Boleyn (talk) 15:18, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

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Steve Kirk
Hi Boleyn

Please see the recent RM at Talk:Stephen Kirk. The purpose of the move was indicated in the proposing comment - "Rather than using a pointless disambiguation page, it'd be much better to move Stephen Kirk (handballer) to Stephen Kirk and add an hatnote for each article saying "For the footballer/handballer, see Steve/Stephen Kirk"." This is a clear WP:TWODABS situation and there are no other notable people with this name. The dab page is no longer needed, and I will list it at AFD given that you've contested the PROD nomination on it. Cheers &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 15:29, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks, but there are several of this name mentioned on Wikipedia. I think an AfD sounds like a good idea - thanks for worknig on this. Boleyn (talk) 15:37, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

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Stéphane Richer
The forward was found as the primary topic per a move request in November. I don't want to leave the DAB as it is, so what do you propose? AllTheUsernamesAreInUse (talk) 22:50, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi, I have done a bit more work on the dab, you may want to look it over. AfD is an option if you think it still doesn't meet MOS:DAB. Thanks for your work on this, Boleyn (talk) 10:41, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!

 * Thanks,, I really appreciate that. Working through CAT:NN is a bit dispiriting at times, so that will help keep me motivated :) Boleyn (talk) 14:37, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

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The Boulevard Hotel Kuala Lumpur
On what basis exactly did you decide it ? Cheers, RadioactiveBoulevardier (talk) 04:35, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Hello, RadioactiveBoulevardier. I couldn't find good enough sources to show it meets any part of WP:N, or any evidence of real significance. It is part of a group of hotels, which also appears to be a non-notable group. However, I read over your edit summary and removed it from CAT:NN. Hopefully someone can add to it and show more clearly how it is notable. Thanks for your work on this, Boleyn (talk) 11:43, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I've noticed that a lot of articles have lots of useless search results and the few SIGCOV results tend to get lost in there. But sometimes they actually are there, buried among the chaff.
 * In this case I did a "news" search, not sure which engine maybe Brave Search. I saw 2-3 candidates so I assume that there's more somewhere else. Often in 2024 we forget that not all "independent RS" are findable via The Google.
 * Cheers, RadioactiveBoulevardier (talk) 18:52, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

Nomination of Rohit Sharma (Rajasthan cricketer) for deletion
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Reverted draftification
Hello. I wanted to let you know that I reversed your draftification of Monte Jackson. The reason I did this is because articles older than 90 days should not be draftified without prior consensus at AfD, per WP:DRAFTIFY (point 2d). Hey man im josh (talk) 19:19, 6 March 2024 (UTC)


 * I also reverted the move of Craig Schlattman to draft space for the same reason. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:22, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I think my brain must have not been working well - thanksfor correcting my errors. Boleyn (talk) 13:01, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
 * No problem, these things happen from time to time =) Hey man im josh (talk) 13:41, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Ettamogah Rail Hub
Hi Bolyen, I am wondering why you are deleting my page? And redirecting it. It is correct I just haven’t added most things, thanks 871-G (talk) 22:34, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I am really sorry for not giving a clear enough reason for my edit, . The article was at too early a stage for publishing - with refernces and it being clearer how it meets WP:NOTABILITY, it can easily be moved back. In the meantime, please don't let this put you off working on it. Boleyn (talk) 13:00, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Chimney flue liners
I noticed you just draftified it; I don't know how to do that but I think maybe Twin wall flues should also be. It was created by the same user at the same time and has the same kind of content. Mrfoogles (talk) 16:16, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks, it still wasn't an approved draft so I have moved it back to draftspace. It has a reference, which is more than the other article, but still needs a lot of work. Thanks, Boleyn (talk) 22:01, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

Draftification script
I see that you are still using Evad37's version of the draftication script. Please switch to MPGuy2824's version, which is substantially better than the old version. GTrang (talk) 16:32, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Hello,, I am using the 'Move to draft' that comes up at the side of myscreen as I have the permissions - do you think there is a way to change it there? Thanks, Boleyn (talk) 17:51, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Boleyn, please edit your common.js subpage by removing the existing line and adding {{subst:iusc|User:MPGuy2824/MoveToDraft.js}} to switch to the new version of the script. GTrang (talk) 21:32, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
 * In Special:Diff/1213986179, for example, there is still a "via script" link that points to User:Evad37/MoveToDraft.js, but that script is outdated. So, please follow my above suggestion by editing User:Boleyn/common.js. Do not ignore this please! GTrang (talk) 00:33, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

Paul Boujenah
Hi @Boleyn, it appears we are engaged in a silly edit war on the Paul Boujenah page. In my experience, if a page has zero references, no reference section is included. Unless you plan on adding refs within the next 24 hours, I would suggest removing the section until references are available. Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 19:59, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi, I think you maybe haven't looked at the page recently - when I wrote it was being actively worked on, I did mean that :) I also don't know of any guidelines/rules that say references sections should be deleted if it doesn't have refs yet, but please direct me to any guidelines like that, as I maybe just haven't come across them. All the best, Boleyn (talk) 20:01, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I don't know if there is such a guideline, but it seems obvious to me that an article shouldn't include empty sections. Next time, please don't add bare urls to a page. Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 20:18, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I don't think you should edit war on what seems obvious to you, we all see things differently :) There are no guidelines I know of that ban how I added the reference (please correct me if I am wrong, as I may well be). It wasn't perfect, but was quickly putting together a refernce. Boleyn (talk) 20:21, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of William Caulfield (disambiguation)


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Draftifying articles with "no sources"
Hello! You moved Lists of Glagolitic inscriptions to draftspace because it had "no sources". It was a list of lists and therefore did not require any. I moved it back. Then you moved John Mearsheimer bibliography to draftspace because it had "no sources". The entire article is a list of sources, and like other bibliography articles lacking it does not need them unless claims are made, i.e. within the lead or annotations. Can you undo your move of John Mearsheimer bibliography please? Ivan (talk) 20:06, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Hello, . Lists do need refs, as they are classed as articles. I wouldn't feel comfortable when patrolling to put articles fully into mainspace, search engines, etc. when there is no clear idea where the information has come from, especially as search engines are likely to put WP articles at the very top of the search results. Boleyn (talk) 21:49, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Lists need refs. Lists of lists do not. Think of lists of lists as "advanced" disambiguation pages. See Lists of Glagolitic manuscripts for its manuscript counterpart, or Lists of New Testament minuscules for an older example, or Lists of hoards or Lists of dictionaries or Lists of deaths by year for examples currently lacking any sources at all. Or Category:Lists of lists if you are still skeptical (or List of lists of lists if you want a good laugh). These are simply articles that have grown too long for MediaWiki to render efficiently and have had to be split. Sometimes new additions don't fit any of the subsumed lists, and the list of lists page has to be used instead, and that is how sources make their way onto list of lists. Once these are placed within subsumed lists or split off into another list. Ivan (talk) 22:03, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Redirect instead of Prod?
Would it be too bold of me to redirect Ted A. Bohus to This Thing of Ours (film)? Bearian (talk) 21:27, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I think it would be OK, especially as it is an unref blp. Boleyn (talk) 13:16, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Someone has sourced this. Bearian (talk) 18:15, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of William Angas


The article William Angas has been proposed for deletion&#32;because of the following concern: "Fails notability as religious figure."

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 * Hi. I didn't realize you had created this article (14 years ago) when I posted the PROD. Gives me pause slightly but I still think it's a bit thin. Perhaps in 2024, it looks a bit different to you? Yours, Nirva20 (talk) 05:25, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi,, I'm sure quite a few of the articles I created 14 years don't quite meet WP:N now, but this one should meet WP:ANYBIO as it's in the Dictionary of National Biography. I can see why you questioned it though. All the best, Boleyn (talk) 19:55, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for March 30
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Julie Claire
I've sourced this stub with the requisite two citations. Please feel free if you still want to go to WP:AfD to get community consensus. As an actress with three supporting or recurring roles, I think she passes WP:NACTOR. Bearian (talk) 21:27, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
 * , thanks for working on this. Boleyn (talk) 15:20, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
 * You're welcome! Bearian (talk) Bearian (talk) 18:13, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

PROD-worthy?
Not sure if this article (Savona Bailey-McClain) is PROD-worthy. Any opinions? Thanks. Nirva20 (talk) 01:50, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
 * , I think solely because of the number of sources, it would probably be suggested for AfD if PRODded. It doesn't seem she is notable though. All the best, Boleyn (talk) 15:19, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Nirva20 (talk) 15:59, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

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Draft:Hiroshi Ohno
You moved an article to Draft:Hiroshi All biographies of living people need inline citations.Ohno, looks like a few days after a draft was separately made, so now we have two drafts on this guy, and a weirdly messed up title. Can you look into how to resolve, preserving content and edit history? Dicklyon (talk) 23:59, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Methylammonium formate
Thanks for tagging the concerns with that article. I looked more closely, and it was actually a lot worse...nearly every section and in some cases every sentence had glaring factual errors. Things that might seem reasonable or what someone who has learned "just a little" about chemistry might reasonably write, but what is actually wrong and in at least one case actually contracted the editor's own cited source. DMacks (talk) 19:05, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

"Cat:NN" listed at Redirects for discussion
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"Maha (cat)" listed at Redirects for discussion
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Vegas Robaina is a brand of cigars, Alejandro Robaina is a personal name, shouldn't they be together?
Vegas Robaina is the brand name of the cigar and Alejandro Robaina is the name of the individual. It is strange that each of them are completely separate and not in a position to give valid information to someone who wants to know about the brand of cigars, Vegas Robaina. It is a very bad situation, especially in foreign wiki entries, to display information that is not relevant in a certain way. K&#39;s Garage (talk) 09:52, 23 April 2024 (UTC)


 * @K's Garage Both are linked from the page Robaina: what is your problem with that? It's a page about the surname, and includes the brand name as a "See also" because it is not a person with the surname.
 * Ah, I now see that the link "Vegas Robaina (cigar brand)" was redirecting to "Alejandro Robaina", not helpful. I've (a) changed it to redirect to the article on the brand, and (b) changed the "See also" to link directly to the brand. All now seems well.
 * There seems to have been an article about the brand since 2006, so I don't know why anyone added that unhelpful redirect to the Robaina page. Pam  D  14:05, 23 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I should have looked more closely. I saw a page tagged fairly as unreferenced and promotional, so restored it to how it had been before, but it seems it needs more careful handling. Thanks. Boleyn (talk) 15:16, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Your stub tag addition on First Mass
Hello Boleyn,

I noticed you marked an article as a stub using the stub template. Did you know that there are thousands of stub types that you can use to clarify what type of stub the article is? Properly categorizing stubs is easy to do via the StubSorter tool, and is important to the Wikipedia community because it helps various WikiProjects to identify articles that need expansion.

If you have questions about stub sorting, don't hesitate to ask! There is a wealth of stub information on the stub sorting WikiProject, and hundreds of stub sorters. Thanks! Turtletennisfogwheat (talk) 10:43, 23 April 2024 (UTC)


 * @Turtletennisfogwheat Boleyn is a very experienced editor and doesn't need to have stubs explained (see the spirit of WP:DTTR).
 * Nothing is compulsory in Wikipedia, and adding a stub tag, where appropriate, is much more helpful than not doing so, even if adding a more specific stub would be even more helpful. There are people who enjoy sorting stubs (I used to do a lot of it), and others who don't: the former are more likely to know their way around the stub hierarchies and find the exactly right one. Adding a slightly-more specific stub tag (eg changing stub to UK-bio-stub) can be an unhelpful change, if the appropriate stub tag was actually England-poet-stub or Wales-GreatBritain-MP-stub, as it hides the stub from the regular stub-sorters. Pam  D  13:54, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Sorry about that Turtletennisfogwheat (talk) 14:01, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
 * No problem, . It's not an area I have ever been very interested in, but appreciate what stub-sorters like you and Pam do. Boleyn (talk) 15:21, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

"Myles Byrne (Fair City)" listed at Redirects for discussion
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Redirection (computing)
Hello, Boleyn,

This is a 20 year old article, it's been around Wikipedia even longer than you! It should not be draftified unless there are COI concerns or it is the closure decision of an AFD discussion. Draftification is primarily for recently created articles but I know that you already know this and I'm telling you nothing new. In the case of an article this old, draftifying is often just another form of deletion and for a longstanding article, other methods should be used like PRODding or sending it to AFD.

Thanks for all of your many, many contributions. Liz Read! Talk! 17:49, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Liz, my error. All the best, Boleyn (talk) 17:32, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Empty References sections
What's the justification for adding empty References sections like this? ~Kvng (talk) 17:33, 27 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi, you might want to comment on a discussion about this at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Unreferenced articles. Thanks for all your hard work, Boleyn (talk) 17:17, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Nomination of Peatfold Burn for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Peatfold Burn is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

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Redirection of valid genera
Valid taxonomic ranks all the way down through species are generally presumed to be notable. There is no reason to arbitrarily redirect them to higher taxa, especially when they have articles about their own subtaxa! I have undone your redirect of Ephialtias on this basis and would appreciate if you would avoid doing this kind of thing in the future, as frankly it makes no sense. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 06:02, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I see your point. Generally on New Page Patrol, I am not keen to pass unreferenced pages. Boleyn (talk) 12:24, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I agree with regards to NPP, but that page was created in 2010, so that doesn't apply. A quick BEFORE search would have turned up taxonomic sources; alternately, that page had a taxonbar; glancing down at it would have brought you to several database sources which could easily be inserted into ref templates and stuck into the article. I respect your frustration with unsourced articles, but community consensus has held time and time again that large-scale removal of unreferenced articles (by deletion or by BLAR) is not acceptable, especially without reasonable BEFORE checks to determine if sources exist. I see from your contributions that you are in the habit of redirecting articles "until it has sources and evidence of notability" - do you do any BEFORE checks before doing this? (To be clear: I have often redirected articles for lacking notability, but I make sure to check for sources first; it's not the bold action I object to, but doing it without checking). &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 18:38, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I guess it's a difference of opinion, with NPP, of whether the burden for sourcing is on the creator or the reviewer (though a bit different in cases where it has come up in NPP because of significant changes to the article, rather than brand-new creation). Perhaps something to discuss - I think there would be different opinions if I went to Wikiproject Unreferenced Articles, NPP or other forums. I think Wikiproject Unreferenced Articles pages links to some discussions started to try to get a wider concensus on this topic. Again, I do understand your point on this particular article. Thanks, Boleyn (talk) 19:16, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm concerned that you keep referring to NPP when many of the articles you're redirecting this way are not new articles. You also didn't answer my question about whether or not you actually check for sources before making these redirects. Do you check for sources? &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 19:36, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
 * PKC, this isn't really feeling like a polite discussion at this point, especially as I started my response by saying that I see your point. I was referring to NPP because the article you contacted me about was in the New Pages Feed. Yes, I generally check for sources. I have referenced other places where wider discussions on the topics of sourcing and our guidelines are occurring - feel free to continue discussions on this topic there, but I don't feel comfortable with the tone of your messages and won't reply further here. Boleyn (talk) 10:01, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Craig Murray (disambiguation)


The article Craig Murray (disambiguation) has been proposed for deletion&#32;because of the following concern: "Until we get more than two people with articles, this page is pointless."

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There is now an AFD for this article. PatGallacher (talk) 13:49, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Nomination of Dance of the Vampires (disambiguation) for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Dance of the Vampires (disambiguation) is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

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Draft:List of NHL players with the most games played by franchise
I see that you moved List of NHL players with the most games played by franchise to Draft:List of NHL players with the most games played by franchise2, which was blanked and everything was copied to Draft:List of NHL players with the most games played by franchise. This has been discussed at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ice Hockey/Archive84 back in May 2024, and a discussion was again started at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ice Hockey/Archive85 after the creation of the moved page. These attempts are nothing more than WP:REDUNDANTFORK of List of NHL players with 1,000 games played and other pages from List of NHL players. In addition, I am pretty sure these attempts fail WP:LISTN. – sbaio 06:52, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

"D-ring" listed at Redirects for discussion
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Odd redirect
I'm interested in this conversion of an article to a redirect. The edit summary says "redirect until it has sources and evidence of notability." It seems to me that making it into a redirect reduces the chances of attracting any sort of sourcing to near zero. Might it not be better to find some sources, or leave it alone?

All the best: Rich Farmbrough 17:02, 22 June 2024 (UTC).

Hello,, nice to hear from you. This was a while ago, but I think was where I couldn't find evidence of enough good sources to add, and doubts of notability. Mainly I would just leave articles if I can't find anything, other times if a search doesn't show up promising results, I would redirect, or propose a merge or AfD. All the best, Boleyn (talk) 17:26, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

Editor experience invitation
Hi Boleyn :) I'm looking for experienced editors to interview here. Feel free to pass if you're not interested. Clovermoss 🍀  (talk) 22:08, 25 June 2024 (UTC)