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For your information: while you should be careful with consecutive reverts and edit warring, you are not currently over WP:3RR in the article you've recently been editing and warned about, since the warning stated that you did more than 3 reverts "in a couple of days", but the 3RR rule is specifically about more than 3 reverts in the span of 24 hours (although WP:GAMING should obviously not happen). You were also previously warned about being "way over 3RR", but the same applied: you had been editing over the span of several days. The user who has been warning you made a similar number of reverts. I'm telling you this just in case you are unfamiliar with policy. If someone does exceed 3RR, they can be reported at WP:ANEW after warning them. LjL (talk) 01:41, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Your editing at Laffer curve is problematical. Please take a look at WP:Edit warring and WP:BRD, which is a strategy and not policy. 7&amp;6=thirteen (☎) 14:04, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
 * 7&amp;6=thirteen I thought I had been clear that I wasn't endorsing edit warring with the "while you should be careful with consecutive reverts and edit warring", but apparently I wasn't clear enough, since there was a further revert by Bonewah. Nevertheless, the other user proceeded to revert again and to accuse Bonewah of 3RR breach again, even though Bonewah is still not technically over 3RR, while the other user now is. Therefore I have reported the other user because I don't like to put up with that sort of unjustified arrogance. LjL (talk) 14:11, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
 * FWIW, I warned the other editor again. 7&amp;6=thirteen (☎) 14:13, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
 * For my part, i handled that situation poorly. I should have listened to LJL and walked away for a bit.  The problem im having here is that there seems to be a consensus for the edit I was re-adding, but Lipsquid keeps reverting it and accusing others of edit warring.  If you look at the bottom of the  economists poll section you will see that at least 3 other editors agree that this material should be left out, and that is on top of an  RfC that i opened in an attempt to resolve this issue which was closed in favor of remove.  The edit in question was itself the result of a compromise from supply side economics talk which lipsquid himself agreed to, see my comment here.  Clearly edit warring is not the way to resolve this issue, but good faith discussion doesnt seem to be working either.  If you have any advice on how to proceed, that would be greatly appreciated. Bonewah (talk) 15:24, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
 * I would honestly not say there is consensus one way or the other at the moment. What does irk me are the continuous claims from Lipsquid that there is consensus for inclusion when that is clearly not the case. But that doesn't necessarily mean there is consensus against inclusion, either. The latest quote he's been adding just sounds silly within the article. But I had recently stepped away from the whole thing, because last time I had reverted Lipsquid, that resulted in him reverting several of my edits on completely unrelated articles. It felt like a way to intimidate me; I reported him on WP:ANI, but that just put me in a bad light because other people I had had bad experiences with ganged up against me, and nobody would speak up for me. Sometimes things just happen that way, and I don't have great advice aside from "wait and think before doing". Now I'm speaking up about the whole thing again at the edit warring report page, since there is some actual administrator attention. It might be a better time to bring up these issues. LjL (talk) 15:31, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

I think my principal problem is that the edit war looked sort of WP:LAME - the presence or absence of the Thaler quotation (that was being fought over) doesn't really contribute to much to the understanding of the topic, certainly less than this. Anyway, there is clear remorse shown and I am happy to believe you won't be continuing the edit war, so I'm happy to unblock. We'll see how Lipsquid reacts to their own block. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  15:36, 15 February 2016 (UTC)


 * far from me to try to taint an admin with content! but for a bit of context, yes, the huge war about the presence or absence of that small quote is silly, yet the quote is part of a more long-winded attempt to keep an entire paragraph. This paragraph is basically about a survey to some economists about whether the Laffer curve scenario applies to the (then-)current US situation, but it doesn't really cover whether the Laffer curve in itself is correct or incorrect as a general theory. By quoting one of economists responding "that's a Laffer!" at the survey question, the proponents are furthering an attempt to use the survey to undermine the validity of the Laffer curve in general - and doing so in the lead of the article as well as in other related articles. The survey is sourced, but it's being used to show something else, and in an WP:UNDUE (WP:LEAD, WP:CRITICISM) way. This is all just to say... the quote is short and the reader may not even notice it, but accepting it there will inevitably mean accepting more. LjL (talk) 15:48, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
 * My problem with all this is that every attempt ive made at a good faith resolution has been thrown back in my face. Again, the edit i was pushing was itself the result of a compromise that Lipsquid himself agreed to, only to change it later without explanation.  When i asked what the reason was for the change he ignored me.  Im totally ok with editors changing their minds, but i think that a)if you do, you should explain your reasoning in such a way that the other editors involved can meaningfully respond, and b) you should off on editing the article until you have at least tried to reach a new consensus.  Neither of those things happened and that, to me, is very frustrating. Bonewah (talk) 17:44, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

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 * I'm not an admin, but I'm afraid that's not a valid unblock request. But you can reply to me just fine here... I have your talk page in my watchlist. I actually much prefer to keep conversations on one page instead of jumping back and forth between two user pages. LjL (talk) 14:49, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

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I just added a notice requesting you add edit summaries to your edits, right after you made a whole slew of unexplained changes to a couple of naval ships on my watchlist, and your very next edit has no summary. Please add a summary to all your edits, it is expected of all users here as a community norm and it makes life a little easier for your fellow editors. Thank you. - the <em style="font-family:Matisse itc;color:red">WOLF  child  13:59, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
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 * Sure ok, i didnt carefully read your canned message on my talk. I cant guarantee that i always will, especially when the edits are smaller than the summary.  Bonewah (talk) 14:10, 5 June 2018 (UTC)


 * A few things here: 1, edit summaries are nice, but they aren't required. 2, TWC, you're not the Wikipedia police, you don't get to make hostile and condescending demands on others. 3, WP:DTTR - Bonewah has been here for a decade. 4, It would be more convincing if most of your most recent edits lacked an edit summary. Parsecboy (talk) 15:33, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Wow... I've seen people carry grudges, but you wear it like a second skin. Get over it already. Anyway, your point about tenure here is moot. The longer someone is here, the more they should know about such things. Even then, all I did was use the standard ES template. (WP:DTTR is nice, but it is not required). And, if you really think that is "hostile and condescending", then you should take that up on the template talk page (maybe get it changed to something that doesn't upset you so much). Unless you're referring to my second post, where I used "please" and "thank you"...?
 * By the way... the edits of mine you're referring to are all minor edits, that are marked as "minor" (that's what the "m" is for, it stands for "minor"). Now, are we done here? I don't really see the point the of your reply, but how about moving on to more constructive things? Have a nice day - the <em style="font-family:Matisse itc;color:red">WOLF  child  17:02, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
 * This has nothing to do with a perceived grudge, and everything to do with your general hostility to other editors. I was referring to your bolded text and the implication of your second post that, because you told Bonewah to do something, he is obligated to do it. Do you know that, despite the fact that we can't hear your voice over text, your tone comes through, loud and clear? That is what is hostile and condescending.
 * Funnily enough, I don't see anything at Help:Edit summary that says minor edits are exempt from summaries. Idiosyncratic readings of something that isn't even a policy are fine and all, up until you decide to try to force others to adhere to them. As for moving onto constructive things, you might have considered that advice before you posted your first message here. Parsecboy (talk) 17:56, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

TL;DR... but I do hope your day gets better. Ciao! - the <em style="font-family:Matisse itc;color:red">WOLF  child  19:41, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

Updates
Hi, I see you've been updating the infoboxes for several US Navy ships, which is both great and appreciated, but with this edit, I had a couple questions; the "ship compliment" originally stated: "73 officers, 1009 enlisted", which you changed to simply say: "1208". There is a difference of +126, is that based on a source? (again, this is the kind of thing where edit summaries are helpful) Also, why switch to a combined number, instead of listing numbers for "officers" and "enlisted" separately? Was this decided somewhere by consensus, or is it part of a guideline? I only ask because I would think that most readers would find the previous, non-combined way more informative. If you could enlighten me on those two items, it would be appreciated. Thanks - the <em style="font-family:Matisse itc;color:red">WOLF  child  23:21, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
 * , I honestly didnt check either one, i was just making the infoboxes consistent. Ill see what the sources say and update them all.  Thanks. Bonewah (talk) 13:51, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Added a note on the wasp class talk page. Bonewah (talk) 14:59, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Yep saw that. You only mentioned the troop numbers, not the ship's compliment. (the "1208"). I corrected using the source you supplied (66 officers, 1,004 enlisted for Wasp class). - the <em style="font-family:Matisse itc;color:red">WOLF  child  14:35, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

Jack Evans
Thanks for your efforts there. You are doing a good job. JohnInDC (talk) 00:00, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

Can you tell me why did you revert List of countries by GDP (PPP)?
Hello, I've updated IMF data section of List of countries by GDP (PPP) to 2018. Can you tell me why did you revert it back to 2017 data? Thanks. Techup (talk)

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WP:TENDENTIOUS editing at Arthur Laffer
In the last few days, you've (i) opposed any inclusion of Arthur Laffers' role in the coronavirus response by the Trump administration, (ii) removed any and all content from the article that says anything about his role, and (iii) ultimately vandalized a RfC by suddenly adding your own version of content as a proposal in the RfC after having previously refused to add anything on the topic. This is WP:TENDENTIOUS and you should stop immediately. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 16:02, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
 * No in fact, i have both let your edit stand while we attempted to reach consensus and offered my own alternate proposal to resolve my objections. You are the one who both ignored the responses at the Fringe noticeboard which all rejected your proposed edits (indeed, your new proposal contains the exact line which was soundly rejected), and then deleted my attempt at resolution.  If you read the Requests for comment page you should note the section entitled "Before starting the process" which reads "Before using the RfC process to get opinions from outside editors, it's often faster and more effective to thoroughly discuss the matter with any other parties on the related talk page. Editors are normally expected to make a reasonable attempt at working out their disputes before seeking help from others."  You have not done so. I dont believe you are editing in good faith.  You have gone out of your way to ignore your fellow editors when they disagree with you and are now going out of your way to hide my attempts at an alternative resolution. Bonewah (talk) 18:06, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Is this not your edit? Snooganssnoogans (talk) 18:22, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
 * As for the diatribe at the end of your comment: I started a talk page discussion, and I took it to an external noticeboard. Throughout all these discussions, you outright rejected on every occasion that Laffer advising a presidential administration belonged in any way whatsoever until you decided to drastically flip-flopped as soon as I started a RfC. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 18:22, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Oh you took it too a noticeboard did you? And then what happened?  Did all the editors who responded to you say that this information should be excluded wholesale?  Did you forget that part where you went forum shopping, got rejected and then ignored what you didnt like?  Im reluctant to give an inch here given how combative you have been, but the edit you offered at the RFC is radically different than the one you offered up initially.  Do you think that maybe its possible that given the changes between the first version and this one, that maybe my problem was with the first edit and not the idea of inclusion per se?  And maybe you could also consider that what you describe as me having "drastically flip-flopped" is actually an attempt to find some common ground?  Bonewah (talk) 18:51, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
 * LMAO, forum-shopping? After whining about how I failed to seek input before starting the RfC, you're now whining about how I in fact sought input on an external board? How about you pick a consistent argument? "Do you think that maybe its possible that given the changes between the first version and this one, that maybe my problem was with the first edit and not the idea of inclusion per se?" Reading this, it's so plain to see what a waste of time it was trying to deal with you: you removed all the content that mentioned that Laffer advised Trump, but now you're arguing that part of the content you removed was actually good and should have stayed. That is what prompted the RfC. How many times was I supposed to try to convince you that advising the White House was DUE content before it would get through to you? How much time was I supposed to piss away? My answer: no more time. That's why I started the RfC. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 19:07, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
 * If you consider seeking consensus to be a waste of time then you should pick a different hobby. I am, in fact, arguing that given the additional sources you provided that a compromise edit is possible.  If you are uninterested in that, then you are the problem here, not me. Bonewah (talk)
 * The RfC is an attempt at compromise and resolution. There's limit to how much time can be wasted away on trying to convince a single editor. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 19:29, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I agree. Sadly, i disagree as to who is attempting to compromise and who is wasting time. Bonewah (talk) 19:32, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

May 2020 AN/I
There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Per your previous commentary on the same subject matter. Caradhras Aiguo ( leave language ) 17:39, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
 * user:CaradhrasAiguo Can you be more specific?  I see two things i might be interested in. Bonewah (talk) 14:47, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
 * The Horse Eye Jack thread. Caradhras Aiguo ( leave language ) 15:05, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Laffer Curve
For what it's worth, it may be a good idea to make your Laffer Curve !vote clear with respect to the specific RfC question. My read is you said "no" but it may be overlooked without a Oppose or similar. Just my 1/50th of a dollar. Springee (talk) 16:20, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

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There has been a back and fourth in the definition regarding if its going to be claimed that it is the only "science", which studies these topics, which is false. Since it, at least according to me is closer to being a field which "studies", these things.

The sources I have removed does not support the (false) definition regarding that it is the field for this. That's why they have been removed.

If you want to undo your edit or not is up to you, I trust your judgement and can only observe that the article is a complete mess anyway. 'Pauloroboto (talk) 09:50, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
 * "according to me" is not how we determine valid article content. <b style="color: #0011FF;"> SPECIFICO</b> talk 15:18, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
 * 'A science' vs 'the science' isnt something im going to put a lot of effort into unless i have to. I note that we (currently) dont claim it is the only science which does those things.  Also, im suspicious that 'a' vs 'the' is what is really going on here as you scare quoted "science" and "studies".  If this is just a stalking horse for claiming that economics is a pseudoscience, then, fair warning, you are going to have a really hard time getting me to go along with that. Bonewah (talk) 18:46, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I agree regarding that this is not something one should have to a lot of effort into. It just a hard fact that it is not the discipline for studying these things. That's disinformation. You can think that economics is in fact a pseudoscience or not, that does not really change anything here.
 * Kind regards Pauloroboto (talk) 11:39, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I previously cited a author who nuanced the definition by professor Roger E Backhouse, but that did not stop someone from changing it back. So my take on this does not merely amount to "according to me". But in hindsight I should have expressed myself more eloquently to stop someone from making a interpretation like this. But on another note. I would kindly like to ask you to stop wikihounding me. @SPECIFICO Pauloroboto (talk) 11:32, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
 * It's your own words above, "according to me" -- your insistent POV editing on numerous pages is now being noticed by an increasing number of editors. This usually ends in a topic ban or site ban. If you can't take feedback and work within Wikipedia policies and guidelines, the ultimate outcome is quite predictable. Nobody is rejecting you wholesale, but you have never really taken account of the advice and reactions of other editors or conformed your own work to WP norms.<b style="color: #0011FF;"> SPECIFICO</b> talk 13:52, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Looking through all the social sciences listed in the lede of Social science, i see that they all are described as 'the' scientific study. Examples Anthropology "Anthropology is the scientific study of humanity, concerned with human behavior, human biology, cultures, societies, and linguistics, in both the present and past, including past human species.". Archaeology "Archaeology or archeology is the scientific study of human activity through the recovery and analysis of material culture." Etc.  I understand your point, but i disagree that any change should be made along these lines.  Bonewah (talk) 14:25, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

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I really hope you don't make a habit of misrepresenting what others have said in discussions. It's a problem. Bon courage (talk) 18:59, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I did not misrepresent you. You clearly stated that WP:PSCI applies to that discussion.  WP:PSCI is the section on Pseudoscience.  Bonewah (talk) 19:20, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
 * NO it's not, it's just a (badly chosen) shortcut name. The section is explicitly not just about pseudoscience. Did you not read it? Bon courage (talk) 19:27, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Really? The section titled "Fringe theories and pseudoscience" isnt about Pseudoscience?  The section that contains the advice "Thus, when talking about pseudoscientific topics, we should not describe these two opposing viewpoints as being equal to each other." and "Any inclusion of pseudoscientific views should not give them undue weight. The pseudoscientific view should be clearly described as such." isnt about pseudoscience?  Nearly every sentence in that paragraph contains the word 'pseudoscience'. If its not about pseudoscience, what, in your view, is it about? Bonewah (talk) 19:33, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
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