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YouTube Red edits, Novemeber 20
On November 20, you edited List of original programs distributed by YouTube Red (your work is appreciated!). However, on this revision The reference for Impulse was removed (apparently replaced with a duplicate of the Cobra Kai entry). I am curious if you had intended to delete the entry for Impulse, or if you pulled a "me" (making the kind of error I have been known to make from time to time).

If you intended to remove the entry for Impulse, could you cite the info source that prompted the deletion?

Hope to hear back soon, otherwise (as the IMDB reference still indicates an ongoing production) I'll restore the entry from the edit previous to its removal. Cross-posting to the discussion page for the YouTube Red programs talk page in case others have relevant info.

Thanks! Dlairman (talk) 17:17, 2 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Looks like I made a mistake. Oops! Thanks for catching it! Please, by all means, go ahead and restore it. BoogerD (talk) 19:15, 2 January 2018 (UTC)


 * No worries! fixing... Dlairman (talk) 17:55, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

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Facebook watch
Regarding the edit. If that's a correct URL, why does it returns an error?-- Jos eph   10:13, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Funny, it didn't return an error for me. I'll point to two pieces of evidence to cite that Facebook intends the official URL of Facebook Watch to be www.facebook.com/watch: 1. The profile page that that keeps getting edited into the page lists www.facebook.com/watch as being the official url and 2. when one googles Facebook Watch the top result (an ad from Facebook) lists www.facebook.com/watch as the url. BoogerD (talk) 10:17, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
 * So, things are completely different based on locations. Maybe because of, it's exclusive availability to the U.S. For me it's returning Sorry, this content isn't available at the moment. And while Googling, the first thing I'm getting is Wiki article itself.-- Jos eph   10:22, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
 * That is quite possibly the case. I'm not 100% certain of course. BoogerD (talk) 10:24, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Anyhow, thanks for the clarification. -- Jos eph   10:25, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
 * No problem. I'm all for strong communication and clarification on here. After all, our main goal is to it make it a better place. I hope to edit with you in the future. Have a nice day! :) BoogerD (talk) 10:28, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Same to you!-- Jos eph   10:30, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

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"A suitable image relevant to the show. The image does not need to be wikilinked and should exclude "File:" e.g. Example.png Typically the image will be the series' title card, although this is not mandated." Basically, until the title card is available, the poster should go in the infobox. Also, your rationale clearly states "to serve as the primary means of visual identification at the top of the article dedicated to the work in question." —  Film Fan  22:15, 21 February 2018 (UTC)


 * Fair enough. You make a good point. It makes sense to leave the poster there until it can be replaced with the title card. Cheers, BoogerD (talk) 22:21, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

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Cortes (miniseries)
Pages like Cortes (miniseries) make me a happy new page patroller. Oiyarbepsy (talk) 01:21, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Hey, ! Haha. Why do you say that? BoogerD (talk) 01:22, 27 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Because I don't like hitting the delete button or tagging lots of bugs and flaws. I like seeing new articles that already what they need to be. Oiyarbepsy (talk) 05:09, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
 * That's very kind of you. :) I'll try and keep up the good work. BoogerD (talk) 05:59, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

Episode Tables
Hi there, I've noticed that you often change the colours when I've added new episode tables. Is this purely aesthetic, or am I doing something wrong? If so please let me know so that I can correct it in the future. - Racheal Emilin (talk) 03:01, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi ! No, you've done nothing wrong. The edits are not necessarily purely aesthetic. I've added colors when there are none and used advertising or logos to choose colors relevant to the series in question. I think most editors try and choose colors that are connected someway to the show if possible. BoogerD (talk) 03:49, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Ok great, that makes sense. I shall endeavour to do the same in future. Thanks :) -Racheal Emilin (talk) 03:53, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
 * No problem! Glad to make a new editor friend! BoogerD (talk) 03:55, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

The Story of the 'Jinn' from the United States
Hello BoogerD, it's me again. ;) So as you can see I left your change on Jinn (TV series), because what you say might be true, but all sources (including many wikipedia entries) go against it. Do you have a good source that says the location of the distributor determents the country of origin. - Keep in mind that Netflix is the distributor here, not the production company, because it's not the same entity as Netflix Studios LLC. Also defintion the is apperenty not that clear cut...

"The International Federation of Film Archives defines the country of origin as the country of the principal offices of the production company or individual by whom the moving image work was made. No consistent reference or definition exists."

https://movies.stackexchange.com/questions/45518/how-can-one-tell-the-country-of-origin-of-a-movie

So to be clear, I am not saying that the country of orign is the country the movie/series was filmed in, but the country where it was produced in, meaning where the principal offices of the main production company are. I hope that clears things up a bit. Have a nice day. -Abyss Taucher (talk) 22:31, 28 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Hi Abyss Taucher. See, Netflix is not merely distributing the series. They did not acquire it either in the sense that some independent production company produced it and then Netflix agreed to air it. Netflix is funding this series. They are the reason it is being produced at all. Other production companies may very well be involved but at the end of the day Netflix greenlit the show and gave it a series order. Just because other Wikipedia pages may have pages formatted in a certain way doesn't mean they are correct or that they abide by internal policies or the Manual of Style (see WP:OTHERCONTENT). My "source" as you put it is this: 1. Template:Infobox television and the information included on the page and 2. The fact that Neflix is not merely a distributor of content but also a producer as well. Similar to Sony Pictures Television except that SPT makes deals with networks to air their programs and don't own their own dedicated network or streaming service.


 * I'd also add that the link you shared and the definition you provided is in regards to films. Motion pictures are an entirely different subject and the discussion of "country of origin" as is described in the above link does not pertain to this discussion. I hope I've been clear in reasoning and explanation. Hope we can continue to edit together. If you have further questions or concerns, please feel free to bring them up. Have a nice evening. Cheers, BoogerD (talk) 22:45, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
 * "They did not acquire it either in the sense that some independent production company produced it and then Netflix agreed to air it. Netflix is funding this series. They are the reason it is being produced at all." While that this is of course correct, founding a series/film does not make you (necessarily) a producer. A lot of Netflix Original content is produced for, but very little actually by Netflix (meaning in house). Now, we all know that the term ''producer" can be very vage, so yes, I can see how you coould see Netflix as a producer for giving money to the production companies to actually make the content. - And of course we can get along, in fact I think we do, disagreement doesn't have to mean an editing war. XD Have a good day.-Abyss Taucher (talk) 23:48, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I've graduated with a degree in Media Arts & Design and actually interned for a production company out in Los Angeles. I say this not to sound immodest but rather to stress that I understand the production process a great deal actually. It honestly is not that confusing. It is simply a fact that Netflix is an entertainment company that distributes and produces its own content. Look at how the company is described in the first paragraph on their Wikipedia page, "In 2013, Netflix expanded into film and television production as well as online distribution. It is headquartered in Los Gatos, California."


 * The term producer or production company is actually not vague. If Paramount Pictures finances a Bad Robot Productions film or television series then they are producing it as well. If they had no hand in the film or TV series until after it has finished post-production then they are merely acquiring its distribution rights. It is true that Netflix acquires films and television series that have been produced elsewhere and then streams them in other regions with the label of "Netflix Original" without actually being involved with the production. But in those instances the shows or films were distributed by a foreign distributor or a foreign network. Derek is a good example. It was produced by Channel 4 in the United Kingdom and then Netflix acquired it and aired it as a "Netflix Original" in the United States and other territories. So how does all of this relate back to the case of Jinn and other foreign language shows that Netflix has given series orders to? It is simple: a foreign television network or streaming service did initially order the show. As the news articles announcing the series clearly said, Netflix gave the production a series order. Bottom line: An American entertainment company, one that produces and distributes its own content, is developing and gave a series order to their first Arabic-language television series. Jinn and many other foreign-language Netflix series are not co-productions with foreign networks. They are shows that were produced by an American company. I agree that edit wars are unnecessary but I would also say that this issue is not a matter of opinion. Jinn is not the same case as a series like Derek is on Netflix. The country of origin for Jinn is the United States because Netflix, the network/streaming service that ordered the series, is American. To say otherwise is simply incorrect and should updated to be accurate. Cheers, BoogerD (talk) 01:35, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Alright, you won me over. Someone should change the country of origin on all the other foreign Netflix Originals I guess. - Will be hard to make it stick. Pretty sure people will edit it back like creazy, at least at the beginning.-Abyss Taucher (talk) 12:25, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

Help
Hi BoogerD, I have seen the articles that you have created or collaborated and you have improved them a lot. For that reason I ask you if you can do the same with the television series Siren that premiered a few hours ago, I do not speak English fluently, and I am not good with words, you have created great articles. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 181.9.181.223 (talk) 02:51, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Sure, I'll get on it in the next day or so! — BoogerD (talk) 03:01, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

"Needs citation"?
The citation,as made clear in my comment on the revision,is the credits of the series itself saying it's based on the format of the Dutch show. Just how is one supposed to cite that? 12.144.5.2 (talk) 06:45, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Good point. I have added the information back to the page. – BoogerD (talk) 07:02, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

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The non-english Netflix original series are credited for their original produced country. For example, the series 3% is distributed worldwide by the american company Netflix but it was not produced by Netflix (it was produced by the brazilian company Boutique Filmes), The Mechanism (TV series) was produced by the brazilian company Zazen Produções and so on. Netflix itself use this classification in their platform. --Flaviohmg (talk) 14:29, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Correct. The country in which they are filmed is credited by Netflix and, due to the guidelines specified on the Template:Infobox television page, belongs in the Location section of the infobox. Netflix is not merely a distributor of these programs: they produce it as well. It has been made clear with me that many users do not fully understand film and television production on Wikipedia. Netflix funded this series and other foreign language ones on their streaming service. They were not written, filmed, and edited beforehand and then purchased by Netflix rather, they were reviewed by Netflix during the development process and then greenlit and ordered by them. If the series aired on another network or streaming service, particularly one in Brazil, then it would be appropriate to list Brazil as another Country of Origin. BoogerD (talk) 15:58, 17 April 2018 (UTC)


 * You have to consider that Netflix is now an international streaming company with offices all around the world and that's why they are producing original international content. These shows that I mentioned were written, produced and filmed in Brazil by a local company. Considering these series as an american production it's like buying a burrito in your local Taco Bell and saying that you are eating a traditional delicatessen from the "american cuisine". You should also note that identifying reliable sources are part of Wikipedia's articles written policy. I can't find any pointing that these productions are from the United States and considering that Netflix itself credits these production to their original countries of production.

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 * First off the argument that you are positing doesn't make any logical sense. Netflix may offer its services internationally but it is an American company. Just in the same way that Apple, Microsoft, Amazon, and many other corporations have international presences but are still American companies were they are located. Netflix, I double checked, lists them as international shows. They don't have a specific disclaimer saying, "Such and such country is the country of origin". They merely note that the productions were filmed in places around the globe. My "reliable source" as to the country of origin is the fact that if you go to Netflix's wikipedia page you'll see that they are listed as an American company. BoogerD (talk) 16:53, 17 April 2018 (UTC)


 * I'll concede that I could possibly be outside of what the Wikipedia community would agree to on consensus., , . Can you offer some input possibly? I'd also point to User talk:BoogerD. BoogerD (talk) 17:00, 17 April 2018 (UTC)


 * There are international productions like The Witch (2015 film) which was produced and financied by companies from 4 countries (UK, Brazil, US and Canada) but still credited as a film from the United States. Can't see the logic here. If you see most of products from Apple, Microsoft and Amazon there's a MADE IN CHINA stamp on the back. Because that is the country where it was PRODUCED and not where the companies are from.--Flaviohmg (talk) 17:10, 17 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Again, I'll point you towards the explanations given in the above conversation on my talk page found here User talk:BoogerD and the guidelines provided on the Template: Infobox television page. And, again, I'd advise against making comparisons to things or situations that are not comparable to film and television production such as fast-food restaurants and manufacturing. Though I'd rather not give more credence to the comparison you are trying to make, I'd point out that while those products made by those companies may be physically constructed in places like China they are still frequently developed and designed in the United States. BoogerD (talk) 17:16, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

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Handmaid's season 2 titles
The source is from here: https://www.serienjunkies.de/the-handmaids-tale/season2.html That's a well acclaimed site in DE. Do you think we can undo the undo? mynetx (talk) 01:51, 26 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Well, it's an American show and in English so I think it would be preferred to cite an American source in English. I'm not sure if there is anything in the Manual of Style or Wikipedia policy that says a foreign source couldn't be used but I'm almost 99% that another editor will remove the information with that source. Think you can find another site that includes that information? Most people update episode guides for Hulu shows by citing the Hulu Press website (see: https://www.hulu.com/press/show/the-handmaids-tale/?temp=synopses) which doesn't mention those episodes yet. Sincerely, BoogerD (talk) 02:05, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

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New Rocky and Bullwinkle series
Hello! I would like to ask you where to watch the new Rocky and Bullwinkle series free of charge? -- Gergő90 Talk 20:34, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Not sure. I have an Amazon Prime subscription and that is where I am watching it. – BoogerD (talk) 18:35, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
 * And if you help me to download, I'll put it back. All right? – Gergő90 Talk 20:52, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Afraid I'm not sure what you mean. – BoogerD (talk) 18:57, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
 * It does not matter now. I'll guess sometime. – Gergő90 Talk 21:03, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

American Lion
Do have a source confirming that HBO has cancelled production? If so, could you provide it to the deletion discussion? (If not, then perhaps that page shouldn't have been tagged for for deletion in the first place?) - the WOLF  child  03:52, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

FYI
Thought you might find this useful: Help:Archiving a talk page. - the WOLF  child  03:53, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the advice! Needed to figure out how to do that. Have a nice evening. – BoogerD (talk) 04:20, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

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It's very unlikely to get deleted on commons, too simple... Ron h jones (Talk) 19:29, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Out of curiosity, what's the point of having Template:Non-free title-card and Template:Non-free use rationale title-card then? – BoogerD (talk) 19:30, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

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June 2018
Please do not remove content or templates from pages on Wikipedia, as you did to Escape the Night, without giving a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. Your content removal does not appear to be constructive and has been reverted. If you only meant to make a test edit, please use the sandbox for that. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 02:51, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Really? I removed one sentence, no longer relevant or overall pertinant, from the lead. The majority of my edit consisted of copyedits to create consistency between the article and other television series articles. I would've appreciated a more constructive message on my talk page if you wanted to discuss the edit I made. I am always here to work with other editors and to come to an understanding when disagreements are had. Hope you have a nice evening, BoogerD (talk) 03:51, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

My edits relating to Boris and Natasha from Rocky and Bullwinkle
Why were you undoing them? (Bennyben1998 (talk) 00:08, 26 June 2018 (UTC)Bennyben1998)
 * They are unsourced changes. The characters which you changed the descriptions of were already properly described. They are not "mobsters" and Fearless Leader is not a "mob boss." They are spies that work for Frearless Leader, the dictator of the fictional country Pottsylvania. Unless you can find a reliable, secondary source that describes in the way that you wrote (which still really wouldn't solve the issue as many more sources exist that describe them as they were already described) than a discussion could be had about changing the way they are described. Hope that helps. Sincerely, BoogerD (talk) 00:13, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

Periods and quotation marks
Greetings and felicitations. Per MOS:INOROUT the period may be inside or outside the quotation marks, depending upon the particular usage. Since "mixed or average reviews" is a phrase rather than a sentence or sentence fragment, the period belongs outside of the quotation marks. —DocWatson42 (talk) 22:29, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
 * All good my friend. I wasn't sure but you clearly seem to be knowledgable. Thanks for the heads-up. – BoogerD (talk) 22:40, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. ^_^ —DocWatson42 (talk) 09:19, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

The InBetween
who is the real creator of The InBetween, Moira Kirland or mystery creator

The Village
Um you better check this out on https://www.instagram.com/p/BkycyRbDN5u/
 * Yeah, the Instagram account of some random person is not a reliable source. – BoogerD (talk) 00:18, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

oh really could you find out on https://www.imdb.com/name/nm1203211/ please - Ben Folds Seven (talk) 20:23, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

and i posted the instagram picture under the name Craig Miller - Ben Folds Seven (talk) 20:28, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
 * IMDb is not a reliable source. See Citing IMDb. – BoogerD (talk) 00:42, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

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Four Netflix templates
Hey BoogerD, are you interest in creating four Netflix templates after they made a decision (Templates for discussion/Log/2018 June 26)?


 * Template:Netflix original current series
 * Template:Netflix original continuation series
 * Template:Netflix original ended series
 * Template:Netflix original upcoming series

It's a split then redirect. — Landingdude13 (talk) 02:47, 11 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Were you planning on working on it as well? – BoogerD (talk) 02:48, 11 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Maybe, I could create these templates while redirecting the old one. — Landingdude13 (talk) 02:51, 11 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Sounds like a good idea to me! – BoogerD (talk) 02:52, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Regarding the Adult Swim airdates
I've decided to try to request clarification on this so we can avoid getting into an edit war, so feel free to come give your perspective over here if you'd like. (Sorry if I might seem a little irritated in the post itself...) Alphius (talk) 04:44, 14 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Responded over there. And, no need to worry, I think you sounded fine. – BoogerD (talk) 05:00, 14 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Thanks, and just in case you might not notice, I just thought I'd let you know that I responded again. Alphius (talk) 05:34, 14 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Haha, no problem and in case you might not notice, I just responded again. All good, my friend. – BoogerD (talk) 05:35, 14 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Well...one more time, I guess, since I realized I needed to correct something. The correction doesn't affect the actual point I was meaning to make, but I hope the fact that I needed to make it doesn't hurt my credibility too much. Alphius (talk) 06:18, 14 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Already read it. I appreciate you trying to be as forthright as possible. As you say, it doesn't take away from the validity of your original point. Your credibility should remain intact. ;) – BoogerD (talk) 06:23, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

Castle Rock
Hello ! I hope your evening is well (if it is evening for you). I'm messaging you here in the interest of having a civil conversation about our disagreements regarding the Reception section of the Castle Rock article. I always assume good faith in my fellow editors and so I have no doubt that you are simply trying to improve the page, as am I. While I found some of your edit summaries to be a little "harsh" I understand that given the limited amount of space one is allowed to convey their thoughts in that one may not be able to adequately express himself.

So, a few things regarding the section: I think both of us are fine with the general content of that part of the page. I think what we are disagreeing over is simply the wording. Some of my thoughts on that:

1. The opening sentence of the paragraph give an overall summary in regards to how the series has been received by professional critics. I don't see how much sense it makes to move how Metacritic has described the series to that sentence when the paragraph already has a sentence about the Metacritic score. Additionally, that opening sentence doesn't include where that phrase in quotes comes from so its not really attributed to Metacritic right now anyways.

2. In the sentence regarding Rotten Tomatoes we seem to have a disagreement over the phrasing "review aggregation website" versus "review aggregator." I understand why the later seems more succinct but the phrasing of the former lets the reader know that a website is being referred to. I've seen it written both ways on a number of articles.

3. The use of a slash (/) versus the phrase "out of." In this case the slash serves as a sort of abbreviation of that phrase anyways and the use of "out of" is symmetrical with the following Metacritic sentence.

4. Lastly, would be the inclusion of the phrase used by Metacritic to summarize the critical response to the series. You can see my thoughts on that above.

So, I hope we can talk about this and hatch it out. I'd love to hear your thoughts. I promise to remain calm and civil and will do my best to express myself as clearly as possible. I'm pretty amenable and easy-going and very willing to collaborate and work with fellow editors. I take it you've been on here for awhile and so have I. Neither of us would volunteer so much of our time to the project if we didn't find it worthwhile and of some importance. Here's to future collaborations between the two of us. Sincerely, BoogerD (talk) 01:55, 15 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Hi. Except for the reception of Great News, which uses "has received" and "/", the other examples' critical responses you stated are edited many times by you. So, I wonder why do you want Castle Rock's reception be like the ones you wrote, moreover call this "consistency". There is no rule that they should be written much the same, it is not mentioned in MOS:TV. My replies to your thoughts:


 * 1. A reliable, sourced info is needed for the opening sentence when it implies a conclusion, per WP:SYNTH. Therefore, one shouldn't describe a film/book/tv series etc. "positively received" if none of the sources are comprised of that statement. Additionally, I might have added "according to Metacritic" after "received generally favorable reviews from critics", but I felt like I had to rewrite the sentence about Metaritic score.


 * 2. "Review aggregator" is more convenient than "review aggregating website", because the latter is redundant. It is even more fitting not using any of these, because RT and MC are well-known websites, and one can look up what these websites are when they click the links if they don't know.


 * 3. "/" is stated in RT pages. "Out of" is also redundant here, though not like review aggregating website.


 * 4. I have already explained.


 * I think that's all. Thank you for your contributions. I would love to collaborate. Warmthness, Sebastian James (talk)


 * you are a prolific editor and one whom I've run into a time or two editing the Critical response sections of various television series articles. Do you have any thoughts on this discussion? I'd value your input. – BoogerD (talk) 04:50, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

Redirects and drafts
Hi there. Instead of edit warring over this issue, would you like to join in the discussions at Template talk:There is a draft for this article where we are attempting to find a consensus on the best way forward. Thank you &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:41, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

Humans of New York: The Series
It didn't make any difference at all. I recommend you go check the difference. — Lbtocthtalk  01:23, 17 July 2018 (UTC)


 * I did though. I tried out multiple widths. 73 was the largest one that would fit without making the table go under the template. I'm trying to figure out why we're not seeing the same thing. Maybe its a computer/browser thing? I have a Macbook Pro and I'm using Google Chrome. What about you? – BoogerD (talk) 01:31, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I am using a PC and Google Chrome. It's not under the infobox template at all using the 75 width. — Lbtocthtalk  01:39, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I also just tried on my sibling's Macbook Pro using Google Chrome and the 75 width is not under the infobox template. — Lbtocthtalk  01:46, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Hmmm. I'm stumped. I promise I'm not lying, haha. I've gone and looked at each of the different edit versions and the 75 is showing up wrong for me still and the 73 is working. Not sure what we do here. – BoogerD (talk) 01:50, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Maybe it is the Zoom in/Zoom out thing on Google Chrome. Mine is 100% which is the default. — Lbtocth<sup style="color: #2D68C4F">talk  01:53, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I had the same thought. Checked mine and it is 100% or actual size. – BoogerD (talk) 01:54, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Maybe, a display problem? That is if you recently changed your display settings on your Macebook Pro or accidentally pressed a button on your keyboard and didn't realized. (It really happened to me before by accident). I just checked my display settings and they are the default settings. — <b style="color: #FF69B4;font-family:Georgia;">Lbtocth</b><sup style="color: #2D68C4F">talk  02:36, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
 * No, I don't think that's it either. I just checked my display settings in the system preference app on my Macbook and they are the default settings. – BoogerD (talk) 02:38, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

Nomination of Looking for Alaska (miniseries) for deletion
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All About The Washingtons
I thought Steven Spielberg is producing this show because he owns Amblin Television — Preceding unsigned comment added by SilVeRChAiRtommorow (talk • contribs) 23:50, 21 July 2018 (UTC)


 * He owns the production company, yes. But that does not guarantee that he will be credited as a producer on the series. There have numerous series that the company has produced that his name has not been attached to. You need a reliable, secondary source to add information like that to the article. – BoogerD (talk) 23:53, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

See also section in Who Is America?
Hey,. Thanks for removing that see also section from Who Is America? I hadn't noticed that the links were already in the navbox. Cheers, 142.160.89.97 (talk) 21:45, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

However, I hadn't noticed that you reverted multiple edits, reinserting the  parameter into the infobox. Why is that? 142.160.89.97 (talk) 21:47, 23 July 2018 (UTC)


 * No problem. Didn't mean to re-add the parameter to the infobox. While you are here, do you mind answering a few policy/MOS questions I have? You seem quite knowledgable. – BoogerD (talk) 21:49, 23 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Sure, I'm happy to help. 142.160.89.97 (talk) 21:51, 23 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Can you explain the addition/use of "ndash;" throughout the article? I'm not sure entirely understand its purpose or what it does exactly? Can't one simply use "–" instead? – BoogerD (talk) 21:56, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I don't see any uses of  in the article, to be honest. 142.160.89.97 (talk) 22:25, 23 July 2018 (UTC)


 * My mistake. When you included MOS:DASH in your edit summary I mistakenly had "ndash" on the mind. Can you maybe explain to me what "nbsp" does exactly? I'm slightly confused by its purpose. – BoogerD (talk) 22:32, 23 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Oh, that's just a non-breaking space. In this case, it ensures that the dash doesn't fall immediately after a line break. They're discussed in greater depth at MOS:NBSP, but their application to spaced en-dashes is referenced at MOS:DASH. 142.160.89.97 (talk) 22:45, 23 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Ok. That makes more sense now. Thank you for explaining it to me. Useful information to have going forward. – BoogerD (talk) 22:46, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

All About The Washingtons
See List of original programs distributed by Netflix. The family centered TV comedies are considered to be sitcom. Comedy is a broad term. Sitcom is less broader term. — <b style="color: #FF69B4;font-family:Georgia;">Lbtocth</b><sup style="color: #2D68C4F">talk  23:19, 23 July 2018 (UTC)


 * I've been confused about the difference between the two for sometime, I must admit. What exactly is the difference? What makes Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt a comedy and not a sitcom? What makes Disjointed a comedy and not a sitcom? Why is Fuller House a sitcom and not a comedy? Is there something in the MOS regarding this? I'm hoping to find some clarity here. – BoogerD (talk) 23:20, 23 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Sitcom is situation comedy where it includes everyday situations such doing laundry or eating breakfast. Sitcoms are confined in situations or space. Like Fuller House where they main characters are confined in space (they lived together). Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt, Kimmy Schimdt only lives with Titus so, the main characters are not confined in space nor situation. Disjointed is actually a sitcom because the main characters are confined in the situation. Comedy is BROAD term whereas sitcom is more in depth term. — <b style="color: #FF69B4;font-family:Georgia;">Lbtocth</b><sup style="color: #2D68C4F">talk  23:44, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
 * All About The Washingtons, the family are confined in space as they live together like Fuller House. — <b style="color: #FF69B4;font-family:Georgia;">Lbtocth</b><sup style="color: #2D68C4F">talk  23:46, 23 July 2018 (UTC)


 * I'm not 100% certain that, that's been totally agreed upon though. The article for sitcom doesn't really state the definition in the way you described and it mentions that the definition of the term has become a matter of debate in the 21st century. – BoogerD (talk) 23:50, 23 July 2018 (UTC)


 * On second thought, Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt is actually a sitcom because the main characters are confined to the situation. — <b style="color: #FF69B4;font-family:Georgia;">Lbtocth</b><sup style="color: #2D68C4F">talk  23:53, 23 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Haha. This all seems quite confusing. What situation are all the characters tied to in Kimmy Schmidt? What's an example of a comedy series where characters aren't tied to a "situation"? – BoogerD (talk) 23:57, 23 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt: The main characters are always struggling with problems (which are real situations). Friends from College would be an example that is not tied to situation. In addition, sitcoms are filmed in a studio only whereas comedies also filmed outside the studio. — <b style="color: #FF69B4;font-family:Georgia;">Lbtocth</b><sup style="color: #2D68C4F">talk  00:10, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Master of None, Girlboss are some other comedies that are not situation. — <b style="color: #FF69B4;font-family:Georgia;">Lbtocth</b><sup style="color: #2D68C4F">talk  00:14, 24 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Aren't the characters in Friends from College also always struggling with problems? Can't the same be said of Master of None? I mean isn't conflict at the center of all storytelling/drama? I think the definition is much more fluid than what you're trying to suggest. Also, seemingly contradicting your point, Kimmy Schmidt is not filmed in front of an audience and frequently films outside. – BoogerD (talk) 00:16, 24 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Per compromise, on All About The Washingtons, I think sitcom should be added to the genre as it said on Netflix it is a sitcom. I am not going to delete the television comedy, I think sitcom should also be added part of the genre. — <b style="color: #FF69B4;font-family:Georgia;">Lbtocth</b><sup style="color: #2D68C4F">talk  00:24, 24 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Fair enough. I think one day a discussion/debate should be held over at Wikiproject:Television and hopefully a consensus can be reached on the topic. Eventually maybe something definitive can be added to the MOS. – BoogerD (talk) 00:28, 24 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Also, Friends from College is not tagged as a sitcom on Netflix. — <b style="color: #FF69B4;font-family:Georgia;">Lbtocth</b><sup style="color: #2D68C4F">talk  00:35, 24 July 2018 (UTC)


 * True. I was moreso responding the point you were making about characters struggling with problems. – BoogerD (talk) 00:37, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
 * The Sitcom article seriously needed to be updated. — <b style="color: #FF69B4;font-family:Georgia;">Lbtocth</b><sup style="color: #2D68C4F">talk  00:46, 24 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Haha. I think on that we can both definitely agree. – BoogerD (talk) 00:47, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

I think you should have known by now that adding episode titles before the released date have to have a reliable source. — <b style="color: #FF69B4;font-family:Georgia;">Lbtocth</b><sup style="color: #2D68C4F">talk  06:53, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
 * And IMDb is not considered to be a reliable source. — <b style="color: #FF69B4;font-family:Georgia;">Lbtocth</b><sup style="color: #2D68C4F">talk  06:59, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the reminder. Gotta catch myself before I get overzealous. Cheers, BoogerD (talk) 08:59, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

Regarding the arangement of the cast in Pose (Tv Series)
Hi, so I'm rearranging the characters in Pose, because it currently doesn't reflect who the main characters are. Evan Peters, Kate Mara, and James Van Der Beek are minor characters. Mj Rodriguez, Dominique Jackson, and Indya Moore are the obvious leads of the show and should be ordered as such. As an follower of the show I'd just like to see the proper character portrayed first. — Preceding unsigned comment added by NomadB42 (talk • contribs) 05:33, 24 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Hi, I understand what you are saying but here at Wikipedia we follow what's known as the Manual of Style. It sort of like a compendium of guidelines to follow when editing and constructing articles. You can find a section of the Manual of Style regarding "Cast and characters" sections at MOS:TVCAST. In that section is a specific guideline that states: "The cast listing should be ordered according to the original broadcast credits, with new cast members being added to the end of the list." I know many people have certain opinions about how things should be listed but we have guidelines here at Wikipedia in order maintain a sense of consistency among articles and prevent complete chaos. I hope that cleared it up a bit for you. Hoping you have a nice evening, BoogerD (talk) 05:39, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

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Reversions on The Enemy Within (TV series)
Hi there, I noticed you made several reversions without leaving a valid reason. My edits were based on grammar errors and such, and while they were not significant, and certainly didn't change the meaning of the article, I felt they were an improvement, as they used active vs. passive voice in several instances, cut down the amount of fluff without losing any meaning, and generally made the article more encyclopedic, while making it read less as if a superfan with a third-grade reading level had written it. I hope you will appreciate these edits for what they are, thanks. Amsgearing (talk) 12:53, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Never claimed ownership of the article. If an edit is useful or called for than it should stay. If it serves no purpose or, in fact, diminishes the article than it should be reverted. I'd be curious to see what grammar errors you are referring to as well as "instances of fluff." I'd also avoid using phrases such as "making it read less as if a superfan with a third-grade reading level" as it is unnecessarily aggressive and could lead to contention. – BoogerD (talk) 16:16, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

Who Is America?
Please note that the Daily Mail is not a reliable source for contentious information - see WP:DAILYMAIL. Black Kite (talk) 14:25, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. I'll see if I can't locate a more reliable source. Thank you for pointing out this policy to me. – BoogerD (talk) 16:16, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

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Ways to improve In the Tall Grass (film)
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 * Just so you are aware. I created it as a draft and I'm not the one who moved into the mainspace yesterday. – BoogerD (talk) 15:45, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
 * , thanks for the confirmation. I left it unreviewed back, so that it can be taken up by someone else for curation. Devopam (talk) 16:31, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

Netflix
Hey! The source is listed on here. Vmars22 (talk) "Update: The Highwaymen and Untitled Dan Gilroy have been moved to 2019." 01:08, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Looks good. Food for thought...maybe in the future include the link in your edit summary so as to avoid other reverting the edit. – BoogerD (talk) 01:14, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

Evan M
Actually wasn't "Potty Mouth" riding on his mother's Uber account? He might not even have the same last name. Slight <i style="color: teal;">Smile</i> 19:46, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I should have known. Would you believe I've never known someone with that name funny as it seems. I see from your contribs that you do a lot of good edits but still a reply here would have been nice. Slight <i style="color: teal;">Smile</i> 20:14, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Oh and wadya know Evans is also a last name. Anyways see ya around. Slight <i style="color: teal;">Smile</i> 22:12, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

August 2018
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 * Thanks for the heads-up . I came to that realization whilst in the middle of it at a certain point. I initiated my own attempt to resolve the various disputes by opening a discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Television and informing the other editor on their talk page and making a corresponding post on the templates talk page so that other interested editors might be encouraged to join in the discussion. It is my intent to avoid continuing to "war" and I hope to see this all resolved civilly and respectfully. Hoping you have a nice evening, BoogerD (talk) 04:47, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

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Manifest
Maybe what's needed is a category for stories about airplanes going through the time barrier? There are several Twilight Zones that would fit that category. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 20:00, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
 * There's already "Category:Time travel television episodes" which might work. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 20:02, 8 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Sounds perfectly appropriate to me. Good on you for being able to locate a category that already exists that fits the narrow description. Cheers, BoogerD (talk) 20:20, 8 August 2018 (UTC)


 * On second thought, that category only seems to apply to television episodes and not entire series. I looked through it and saw that all of the other articles included in the category are for episodes and not series. Maybe wait an see if the first episode of Manifest gets its own article? Hmmm...Just don't think that including it in this category is appropriate given that it explicitly states "episode". – BoogerD (talk) 20:23, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Hulu
Hello, You recently reverted my edit on the hulu original programming template for the show Resident Advisors (TV series), stating that it was acquired and not original. Do you have any citations for that? As far as I can see, it first aired in the U.S. on hulu, and hulu is listed as its original network. Thanks Mjs32193 (talk) 13:51, 11 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Well to start, it was never listed as a "Hulu Original" back when it was first released and up through today. It has always been labeled as a "Hulu Exclusive" which supports the notion of its acquisition. Similarly, the Hulu Original bumper/ID does not appear before or after any of the episodes and the copyright to each episode is credited towards Paramount Pictures Corporation and Paramount Digital. I would look at the case of "There's Johnny" for a similar comparison. NBCUniversal produced the series and when their original plans for releasing it fell through, Hulu decided to stream it as a "Hulu Exclusive". They had no hand in its production and never labled it as an original though it did first air on their service. There's a clear distinction. I would be curious to see if a reliable secondary source citation could be found that supports the notion that Hulu produced Resident Advisors and would be open to such a change if that sort of information materialized. However, as it stands now all evidence points at the series not being an original like many other have been. – BoogerD (talk) 21:12, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Upon further research, I see what you are saying in that this show seems to be an exception to the typical classifications of "originals", specifically by Hulu's marketing. I still think this leaves a gap in television coverage on Wikipedia. Most traditional and streaming television shows are listed on the original programming pages of the network they first aired on. This first aired on Hulu, but is not considered an "original". I'm not sure how to handle a case like this but I don't think it should be simply ignored. It is also worth noting that unlike Netflix and Amazon, Hulu does not have its own studio, so all shows come from independent studios. Why Hulu decided to call this one an exclusive instead of an original, who knows. I may bring this up at WikiProject Television to get additional input on situations like these. This will likely become more of an issue now that FOX is selling their studio, and all shows that air on FOX will now be coming from outside studios. Thanks Mjs32193 (talk) 22:40, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Few further points. While Hulu does not have its own "studio" it does in fact have its own team of executives and producers. The streaming service itself funds its various original programs and pays the production companies involved with them to facilitate the creation of these series. That is the key difference in the case of Resident Advisors and There's Johnny: Hulu had no hand in their production. They did not greenlight them, they did not develop them, and the did not provide any funding for them while they were in pre-production, principal photography, or post-production. What they did do is merely pay a fee to acquire the rights to stream the finished product on their service. For what its worth, all the broadcast networks have always used outside production companies to help fill out their programming (note that the series Last Man Standing was produced by 20th Century Fox but aired on ABC) however in these many instances, the networks have bought pitches from those studios, given the productions a series order or a greenlight, and then funded and facilitated the production of those shows. That is now what happened here with the show we are discussing. Hope that clarified a few things for you. – BoogerD (talk) 22:54, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

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Maniac billing
That’s absurd. The trailer idenitifies the people who’ll appear most prominently. Hill, Stone, Field and Theroux are in that grouping. Them being supporting doesn’t make them fall under recurring, those are two different things. Rusted AutoParts 00:33, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
 * The sources are not what determines who’s considered in the main cast, that’s for the producers to decide, and they have done so with the trailer by identifying those four. Shows aren’t similar to movies, them being considered supporting doesn’t dictate how many episodes they’re in. Recurring means they’re in most but not all episodes, and since we don’t know that yet it’s incorrect to call them recurring. Rusted AutoParts  00:36, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
 * First off, recurring means that you are credited among guest stars in multiple episodes. Various sources have confirmed that Theroux and Field will not be credited among the main cast (either in opening credits or end credits). Secondly, trailers are produced by marketing departments or even, in some cases, outside third-parties that exclusively produce trailers. The producers, writers, and directors of films and television series typically have little to no involvement in marketing. Here's a couple of articles confirming Theroux's recurring status:


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 * Hope that clarified things a bit. – BoogerD (talk) 00:41, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Your marketing stance holds no water cause you’d be then implying that all trailers and posters billing blocks don’t count because the marketers make them. They make what they’re designated, they can’t decide who’s main and who’s not, that’s up to the studio. And you’re using sources that were gathered during initial production. This trailer is after the fact and is now identifying the primary actors in the series. Rusted AutoParts  00:57, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Except a poster's billing block is not the same thing as names listed in a trailer. It is true that Wikipedia policy is to order credits for films based on poster billing blocks and to order and organize credits for television series by the on-screen credits. I mean, ultimately, we will have the final confirmation come when the episodes are released. However, there is far more evidence now to suggest how the actors will be credited. I'd be willing to entertain the notion that Theroux or Field had been upped to the main cast/series regulars if some reliable, secondary source citations can be located. – BoogerD (talk) 01:08, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

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 * You seem to be interested in the ongoing dispute over at the article for Succession. Think you might offer your thoughts or comments on this edit warring discussion? – BoogerD (talk) 22:38, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Isn't this WP:CANVAS? Amsgearing (talk) 22:41, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Is it? He/She's been involved with ongoing dispute over at the article, has reverted edits, and had edits reverted on them. is not an administrator and therefore does not have any final say in the matter but I figured that they have just as much of a right to participate in the discussion given prior involvement. Perhaps, my message to them was a violation of this policy however it certainly wasn't my intention. – BoogerD (talk) 22:58, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

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Edit warring on TV shows
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Oops
Ooops. Got a little trigger happy in preview mode.

I still reckon "upcoming" is an irrelevant detail and it to include it is a mistake setting up for failure.

I'll try tagging it so that it gets marked out of date on the release due date. -- 109.79.87.162 (talk) 23:41, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

Editor parameter in TV infoboxes
There's a reason this category and all these discussions exist. —  Wylie pedia  @ 16:08, 24 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Hi I scrolled through some of the conversations that have occurred on the template's talk page. It looks as though this was the most recent discussion over the use of the parameter (and the misuse of the news_editor one). I'm not sure if you posted this message here as means of supporting what I was saying or to dispute it. My reading of that conversation leads me to believe that I'm in the right here as I'm not seeing anything that contradicts what I said. However, I am fully willing and able to admit that I may be at fault here and if you point me in the direction of some evidence contrary to what I'm thinking then I'll gladly discuss it. – BoogerD (talk) 16:19, 24 August 2018 (UTC)


 * I don't care anymore. You've reverted me twice at AW (once because you "went to film school"), so I'm done there. Sidenote: your archive bot here needs firing. —  Wylie pedia  @ 16:36, 24 August 2018 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry this has gotten contentious. It certainly wasn't my intention. You are quite the prolific editor so I am still hopeful we can move forward on amicable terms. I'd like to speak up for myself a little: I wasn't claiming ownership of the article. I'd never dream of claiming ownership of an article. Wikipedia is a project built upon collaboration and without it, it cannot function. I didn't even create that specific article however I am very active on it. I think it is fair to say that without my contributions to it in the last, say, 8 months it would be in a much poorer state. Also, I only mentioned the stupid film school thing to point out how I've come to my own understanding over what "film editor" means. I wasn't stating it to blow smoke up my own ass or claim some sort of authority on the subject. Personally, I find someone doing that rather off-putting. I'll admit I'm still a little unsure of what your first message in this conversation was trying to convey. I've engaged in my share of debates where I ultimately conceded to the other position after being presented with convincing evidence. I'm just unsure what you were directing me towards there.


 * Truly, I am sorry to have rubbed you the wrong way. I hope you'll give me a second chance (in regards to your opinion of me) going forward as I'm sure we'll run across again. Also, I'm still not all that knowledgable about bots. Doesn't sound like you'd be interested but I'd sure appreciate some guidance as far as that is concerned. Sincerely, BoogerD (talk) 18:21, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

Restoration of There's... Johnny!
I have restored the page There's... Johnny!, which for some reason you wiped out 10 minutes after you proposed the merger. If there was some need for the page to be moved, it could have been, well, moved. I encourage you to start a discussion of what the best title is for the page if you feel it should be moved. --Nat Gertler (talk) 22:56, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I concede that I was wrong to act so boldly. Please see my messages at the associated talk page. Additionally, I have initiated the merge request/discussion as you suggested. Accept my apologies for handling the situation in not the best possible manner, it certainly was not my intention. – BoogerD (talk) 22:59, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Relevant links: Talk:There's...Johnny! and Proposed mergers. – BoogerD (talk) 23:02, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the forward move (you were doing it at the same time I was writing the above message, or I would've foregone it.) --Nat Gertler (talk) 23:06, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
 * No problem! I hope you won't think too poorly of me after this whole mess. I promise that I handled it the best way I thought possible at the time and that I'm trying to learn about the site's procedures and policies every day. It seems as though it is inevitable that mistakes will sometimes be made. – BoogerD (talk) 23:11, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

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Yellowstone
Video release dates for both DVD release and video streaming are normally both notable and included in Wikipedia articles for Hollywood films and network television productions. FutureForecasts (talk) 16:50, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Home video release dates are notable enough and generally noted in their own section. However, streaming is rarely included in television articles especially in the case where a network released a show on their own website. Additionally, the fact that shows can be purchased through services such as iTunes or Amazon is equally non-notable as it is incredibly common amongst almost all television series. Also of note, reliable, secondary source citations are preferred over primary sources. – BoogerD (talk) 16:56, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Any bets for if the DVD and Blu-ray comes out before or after end of year holidays? FutureForecasts (talk) 16:04, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Honestly, its quite possible. I know the studios love to have stuff like that before or around the holiday season to increase possible sales. – BoogerD (talk) 19:01, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

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The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel
Hello there To answer your question, the criterion for this was to be succinct (brevity being "the soul of wit"): The criteria for this was undue weight ("An article should not give undue weight to minor aspects of its subject"). All the other recurring characters get six words or less; she gets two sentences. So it looks like it was added by her publicist. Regards, Swanny18 (talk) 23:54, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
 * While brevity is certainly a worthwhile attribute, it is not enough justification for the removal of a handful of words. As for Jane Lynch's character: the added information/weight is justified. The performance earned her an Emmy nomination and the character has been announced to return in the upcoming second season. While there are specific guidelines regarding length for things such as episode summaries (they should be between 150 to 200 words by the way) there is nothing in the Manual of Style that limits or places parameters around character descriptions in cast and character sections. – BoogerD (talk) 00:04, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

Strange Angel revert
Could you please explain exactly how I'm violating WP:ORIGINAL and WP:TRIVIA here? (A) I'm not drawing any conclusions (I'm not implying they chose those titles for any specific reason, merely stating the origin). (B) The Rite of Spring actually appears *in the show* (so I don't see how this falls afoul of WP:TRIVIA). Samer (talk) 01:28, 4 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Right, but you are drawing your own conclusion by stating that, that is the reason the titles were chosen. The only citation that was provided was the book that the series is based upon. I haven't read the book myself but given its publication date, I think its safe to assume that it doesn't mention the series at all. Additionally, per the Manual of Style's section on television (see WP:MOSTV), episode sections are not to include anything but episode tables. And there is also the question as to whether this piece of information meets the threshold of relevance per Relevance of content. – BoogerD (talk) 04:36, 4 September 2018 (UTC)


 * I merely stated two facts: (1) that the titles are found in Rite of Spring (a verifiable fact), and (2) that it was his favorite work (also a verifiable fact). I explicitly did not use any language that implies that one is the cause of the other. Moreover, "an article should not have both an episode table and a prose summary" (WP:MOSTV) is not the same thing as saying that "episode sections are not to include anything but episode tables." Finally, while there are not yet any articles explicitly mentioning the episode titles as coming from Rite, there are third-party articles pointing out the use of Rite within the show, which I think satisfies Relevance of content. Samer (talk) 21:18, 4 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Can you point to a single other instance of an episode section in a television series article including anything more than an episode table or a series overview table? (Aside from something like a note about an airdate irregularity) This information is trivial at best and seeing as you are the editor attempting to make a contested edit, it is incumbent upon you to gain consensus for it. I would suggest making a post in two places if you are interested in furthering this issue: the show's talk page (Talk:Strange Angel) and the talk page for Wikiproject Television (Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Television). Perhaps other editors can devise a way to integrate this information that makes sense. – BoogerD (talk) 21:56, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

Law & Order: Hate Crimes: On moving to WP:Draftspace
BoogerD, do you have Page mover rights? If not, let me know, and I can move that to WP:Draftspace.

I'd advise this: move article to to Draftspace, and then create a Redirect at Law & Order: Hate Crimes to List of programs broadcast by NBC and make sure you tag the redirect with R with possibilities and R with draft. FWIW. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 22:35, 4 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Like I said, I will move it post haste. I was in the middle of finishing another edit when you brought up that point. Would you mind responding to the other editor and possibly removing the dubious information? Again, I have great concern of getting caught up in a revert war here but I feel like there is enough justification to remove the information. – BoogerD (talk) 22:37, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Yeah, you wanted a WP:Page mover to do that to move to Draftspace so it could be done without leaving a redirect. Now you're going to have a redirect with a non-trivial revision history, which means you're going to need a Page mover or an Admin to move the Draft back to Mainspace when the time comes... Just so you know. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 22:43, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Ah, I didn't realize that was the case. My mistake. I'll keep note of that for the future should the situation arise again. Thoughts on the premiere date issue? – BoogerD (talk) 22:48, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

OK, let me know if you continue to have trouble at this draft – at this point, this is pure Disruptive editing, regardless of the merits of the claim. Also, the actual prose rewording is not an improvement either. But this might merit a report to WP:ANEW IMO. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 02:57, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

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My bad
This edit you reverted is a very clean cut case of "my bad", as I didn't bother to double check my information. Sorry about that, and thanks for keeping me in check! Sock  ( tock talk)  22:34, 22 September 2018 (UTC)


 * No problem at all! Most people would not have taken the time to leave a message on my talk page, so this is really cool of you. I definitely try and savor pleasant exchanges such as these as most interactions with other editors can be quite contentious. I hope you'll keep in check in the future too! Haha. – BoogerD (talk) 22:36, 22 September 2018 (UTC)


 * 99% of the time I would've double-checked that, no idea what possessed me not to this time. And I always try to be as pleasant as possible. Thanks again! Sock   ( tock talk)  22:41, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

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Runtime
I think it is acceptable for this - in in between times because as far as I know we do not cut off any seconds of an episode. Think about it, cutting it off would possibly missing part of the last scene of the episode. — <b style="color: #FF69B4;font-family:Georgia;">Lbtocth</b><sup style="color: #2D68C4F">talk  19:34, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I have to disagree here. When writing it that way, the implication becomes that one of the episodes actually reaches XX number of minutes in length. Which is patently false. When the runtime is put into a range it means that one episode of the series was as few minutes as the first number and another episode was as many minutes as the second number. Rounding up is disseminating incorrect information. I Feel Bad has yet to be as long as 22 minutes and Manifest was only reached as long as 42 minutes in its first episode. No one is "cutting off seconds"; they still exist. But the infobox should only reflect a runtime that is actually met, not one that it almost meets. – BoogerD (talk) 19:42, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Rounding down is disseminating incorrect information as almost a whole minute is cut off.— <b style="color: #FF69B4;font-family:Georgia;">Lbtocth</b><sup style="color: #2D68C4F">talk  19:49, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Ah, but what you just said is incorrect: "a whole minute is cut off." That's not true, neither episode's runtime ever reaches the next minute in length. In both instances they run 40 or so seconds over the stated runtime. – BoogerD (talk) 19:52, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
 * 40 seconds is still over 21 minutes. — <b style="color: #FF69B4;font-family:Georgia;">Lbtocth</b><sup style="color: #2D68C4F">talk  19:55, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
 * And it's still under 22 minutes. However, the episode does actually reach 21 minutes. It does not, however, ever reach 22 minutes. – BoogerD (talk) 19:59, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I am not going to revert you again. However, I am set up an discussion on Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Television. — <b style="color: #FF69B4;font-family:Georgia;">Lbtocth</b><sup style="color: #2D68C4F">talk  20:06, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Manifest under Details " S1 E1 | 43 min | TV-14 | Full Episode | Drama | Primetime". — <b style="color: #FF69B4;font-family:Georgia;">Lbtocth</b><sup style="color: #2D68C4F">talk  20:52, 26 September 2018 (UTC)

2018 in American television citation decluttering
Would you be alright with me doing this? I’m focusing more on the Notable events section which seems to have the most occurrences of at least 3 unique citations. What I’m looking for are doubles of the exact same focus in the headlines, but if each source addresses a specific part of the item, that works just fine. It’s getting to be a very big page and while that may more have to do with the sheer glut of programs I hope this is an acceptable method. I came to you because I saw you declutter sources on The Alec Baldwin Show--Sarcathmo17 (talk) 04:31, 27 September 2018 (UTC)


 * You don't need my permission but if you're asking for my opinion...I'd say it sounds alright. I haven't really edited that article but if there are too many citations then you could definitely remove redundant ones by citing WP:OVERCITE. – BoogerD (talk) 04:39, 27 September 2018 (UTC)

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Returning the Favor
I see the issue here: you have strayed into an area outside your normal editing, that of politicised unreliable sourcing. The issue is that the content you are fighting to include is not supported by reliable independent secondary sources. Any source that is challenged, has to be shown to meet all three of these criteria. You are now displaying WP:OWNership of the article, which is a bad thing. I have explained the issue on Talk, and the onus is always on the editor seeking to include disputed content, to achieve consensus for its inclusion. Guy (Help!) 06:24, 1 October 2018 (UTC)


 * I'm not looking to break any policies here nor I am seeking to claim ownership of any article. I believe you are claiming that my edits are politically motivated. I'm not sure how that's the case. I am personally quite liberal, politically speaking, as my user page will confirm. In fact I have in the past been accused, dubiously and incorrectly, of having a left-leaning bias due to edits made to a section on The Handmaid's Tale television series article. From all accounts, LifeZette seems to be a conservative rag and I certainly wouldn't be found reading it. However, I have found no evidence presented yet that the community consensus has been to ban its use as a source. Returning the Favor was very clearly given an accolade by an organization. The organization's official website attests to this. I'm not sure I fully understand the reasoning in its removal. Numerous awards show articles (such as the Emmys, Oscars, Tonys, Grammys, etc.) cite the awarding organization's official website to source nominees or winners. I don't understand how its any different here. I am always here with an open mind, ready and willing to learn. I would never claim to be the most knowledgable editor and frequently defer to those more experienced than I. However, I have numerous concerns with the edits made on the article in question and don't feel comfortable dropping the issue until they have addressed. I hope some of that made sense and I hope you'll take my editing in the good faith in which it was intended. Sincerely, BoogerD (talk) 06:33, 1 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Restored the section due to the discovery a reliable, secondary source. Variety wrote an article covering the organization's fellowship program and its awarding of five certificates to various film and television productions. Variety is a widely cited reliable, secondary source used across many different Wikipedia articles. I hope the discovery of this source settles the issue. If not, I'd gladly discuss it further and try to understand why. Sincerely, BoogerD (talk) 06:41, 1 October 2018 (UTC)


 * You need to stop with the WP:OWN here. I tagged the section as of unclear significance because the group is not notable, and certainly not noted for any kind of awards. This comes across as PR cruft. You have made virtually all the edits tot hat article, you need to understand that your perspective is not the only one allowed. Google "Got your 6 coalition" (quoted), all the results fit in a single page. That is not a good sign. This is about WP:UNDUE and WP:PROMO as much as anything else. Guy (Help!) 10:13, 2 October 2018 (UTC)


 * I'm hoping we can clear the air here. I truly try and avoid becoming in engaged in conflicts with other editors, respect accepted policies and guidelines, and listen to the guidance and advice of other editors (especially those with a lengthy history of editing or those who have reached such rank as that of administrator). I am not openly trying to defy you for any sort of trolling reasoning nor am I claiming to have ownership of the article in question simply because I created it. I gladly work with other editors and contribute together with them to improve the content of articles. When a disagreement arises and feel compelled to speak out (and I try and limit those moments), I try to carry myself in a logical and respectful manner and always assume that the other editor to whom I am speaking is acting in good faith. I hope you will take my all of my contributions to the Wikipedia project into consideration when forming your opinion of me. I have made almost 19,000 edits in 2018 and am very active every day. I truly only seek to make the website better.
 * As it relates to the disagreements we are having over the Returning the Favor article: I believe you were ultimately in the right to contest the inclusion of a citation to LifeZette. From my limited research into the "news source", it would appear as though they are on the same sort of journalistic level as say, Breitbart or InfoWars. They truly should not be cited on Wikipedia as they have proven themselves to be very unreliable. I'd also say that I agree with your pushback on primary sources. Wikipedia policy is to avoid using them when possible and does create a sort of conflict of interest or questions of reliability to cite them on articles related to the topic of said primary source websites. I should have done a better job talking with you about that instead of knee-jerk editing to restore information. However, after discovering the Variety article I believe I was able to find a reliable, secondary source to cite in the article. The Variety article covered a lot of the same information as before but also actually expanded upon the organization awarding the certificate to the television program and expanded on why they were awarding it to the show in general. I should not have removed the notability tag you added before attempting to engage you in discussion and for that I apologize. I did not do it maliciously but rather made the edit in the heat of the moment while copyediting the article. Speaking to that, I used the new source to further add context to the "Award" section by clarifying what the organization is and why they awarded the show. Additionally, I removed a subheading from the production section as there were no other subheadings in that section that needed to be disambiguated from. I'll be honest, I get why you restored the tag but I am not sure why the other edits I just mentioned were reverted. Lastly, and I don't feel particularly comfortable making this claim but feel I must bring it up so we can at least discuss it, I have just had this sort of growing feeling as though the edits made in this section of the article may have been driven by political motivations. Rowe, and his television programs, espouse a conservative viewpoint that I do not necessarily agree with. This veteran organization, presumably, also aligns with Rowe on an ideological level. Take a look at my userpage and you'll note that I am quite open about my own politics and the fact that I am quite liberal both in social and economic issues. You also seem quite open about your own political leanings on your own talk page and we seem to have a lot in common and fall along similar idealogical lines. I just have to ask as to whether the issue with this section is, at least in some small part, effected by an opinion of Rowe and his conservative views. If I am totally off-base here: let me know! I truly don't feel comfortable making a presumption about another editor's motivations but given how open you were about your opinions, I felt like I had to at least mention it.
 * I know this has ended up being quite long but I hope you'll read this message. I'd truly like to work alongside you going forward and end up in a place where have a good understanding of each other. Please excuse if I wasn't as eloquent or clear as I wanted to be here (I wrote all this out in one little burst). I know as an administrator that you are obviously very busy when it comes to activities on this website. However, I hope you'll continue to converse with me here so that we can get on better footing. I have come to Wikipedia in the last year amidst other elements of my life that are out of my control having found a place where I can contribute to a worthwhile project and funnel my energy towards something productive and meaningful. I only seek going forward to continue to do my part on this website. Hoping to hear from you soon, BoogerD (talk) 16:44, 2 October 2018 (UTC)
 * To be clear, I am not making a big deal of this, as far as I can see your editing is rarely in the kinds of areas that lead to questions of undue weight and so on, whereas most of my wiki-life, as an admin and as an editor, is in areas where those questions are front and centre. This is not at all about politics, only about sourcing. Guy (Help!) 18:18, 2 October 2018 (UTC)
 * First off, thank you for taking the time to read my lengthy, and often-times unwieldy, message to you. It definitely makes me feel heard and respected. I do try my damnedest to stay on the straight-and-narrow when it comes to Wikipedia policy, guidelines, and community consensus. So when one suggests that I may be falling on the wrong side of things with my edits, I want to address it. Communicating over text alone can often result in a misinterpretation of intention and purpose and I just wanted to make sure that it was clear that I was editing from a place of good faith without any sort of hidden agenda. On a side note, I don't know how often other editors give you credit...but thank you for all the work you do as an administrator. The administrative work is often the least flashy but surely the most vital. I can imagine that you have quite a busy life outside of Wikipedia so the fact that you have chosen to dedicate so much of your free time to making sure this project continues to grow and expand is so very worthy of commendation. Not every editor on here is willing to engage in respectful dialogue with others or willing to work together and it often makes one question whether they want to continue contributing to the site. Thank you for humoring here and being so open to collaboration. Sincerely, BoogerD (talk) 18:30, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

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New TV templates
Hey, BoogerD.

Have you consider new TV templates based on Science Channel, Travel Channel, Animal Planet, HGTV, and CMT?

You should try it! Landingdude13 (talk) 00:50, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

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IMDb has added all Homecoming season one episode titles
IMDb has added all Homecoming season one episode titles to their webpage for this series:

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7008682/episodes?season=1&ref_=tt_eps_sn_1

You will see that the titles I added on Wikipedia are all correct. As well, all ten episode titles are now on IMDb.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Homecoming_(TV_series)&oldid=864472485

Ergo, your reversion of my addition should now be reverted back to what I posted. 71.162.200.8 (talk) 18:48, 25 October 2018 (UTC)


 * IMDb is not accepted on Wikipedia as a reliable, secondary source per Citing IMDb. – BoogerD (talk) 19:00, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

Heathers
Apparently the two episodes that were supposed to air on Sunday were pulled. The finale will air as normal. How should this be handled on the page? See I can't imagine anyone noticed the episodes didn't air as the show appears to have no audience. Esuka323 (talk) 21:50, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

The Neighborhood
What is wrong about the editing exactly? Can you please answer me that?
 * See the above reply I already gave you above. – BoogerD (talk) 19:14, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

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The Neighborhood (TV series)
Hi

Please keep WP:3RR in mind :) Thanks ~ ToBeFree (talk) 20:37, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

The Neighborhood
Why is it wrong to change the cast order? It doesn't matter.
 * Because it's Wikipedia policy and it's been agreed upon by editors in order to create consistency among articles. If you have issue with the policy I'd suggest taking it up with the folks over at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Television. – BoogerD (talk) 19:06, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
 * and Would you care to perhaps intervene here? This is a clear-cut violation of MOS:Television and I can't get embroiled in an edit-war over it. – BoogerD (talk) 19:17, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Yikes, I'll add the page to my watchlist and will keep a look out for further changes if I'm around. Esuka323 (talk) 19:30, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for looking out! – BoogerD (talk) 19:31, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I've made a report about them which somehow ended up in the wrong area but someone fixed. I think it's because I took so long writing it that someone had made changes previously and I found myself on the wrong area lol. Esuka323 (talk) 19:54, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
 * The cast order should be the order they appear in the credit according to MOS:TV. It should not be changed the way you want it under any circumstances. — <b style="color: #FF69B4;font-family:Georgia;">Lbtocth</b><sup style="color: #2D68C4F">talk  20:16, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Sadly, The Neighborhood (TV series) is fully protected until tomorrow night. — <b style="color: #FF69B4;font-family:Georgia;">Lbtocth</b><sup style="color: #2D68C4F">talk  19:12, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Probably for the best. They'll have to be re reported for vandalism if they continue their behavior, that's what the admin told me. Because they hadn't been disruptive since the final warning was issued they wouldn't block at that moment in time. Esuka323 (talk) 20:52, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Your Take on This
Hi BoogerD & , Would are you take on citations? Should the title be using 'Title' or Title (italicized) in citations? On the links, titles are ‘Title’.

— <b style="color: #FF69B4;font-family:Georgia;">Lbtocth</b><sup style="color: #2D68C4F">talk  21:58, 31 October 2018 (UTC) I usually put titles for refs in exactly the same format as they appear in that source. As I see most articles done this way.
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I only put the brackets there so I could start the article from there. You, and any other editor, are welcome to contribute to the draft. 🙄 Trillfendi (talk) 01:26, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Ah, my mistake. I was hasty with my edit there. Please accept my apologies. Sincerely, BoogerD (talk) 01:27, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

Disney Streaming Service
OK. Get where you're coming from. But don't you think that we should create a new section then for shows like Scarlet Witch, Bucky & Falcon etc. They are being planned/considered so it would make sense to put them into a different section to those who have already been confirmed. Mystic Moore (talk) 09:37, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
 * No, I don't think a third section is necessary. Most streaming service "list of" articles split upcoming programming into "ordered" and "in development". As it relates to Disney+, Disney hasn't even commented on the potential Scarlett Witch or Winter Soldier and Falcon limited series nor have they commented on other shows said to be in development. Honestly, most networks don't officially comment on a production until they've officially ordered it. The Loki limited series is the only one Disney has confirmed is in development. However, it is still simply "in development" just as the other shows are. Doesn't seem to be a need to give a single show its own sub-section. Additionally, all of the shows/series said to be in development were reported/announced by reliable, secondary sources such as industry trade magazines over a century old so the veracity of their reporting is almost without question. Hope that cleared it up a bit. Feel free to discuss it further if you feel so inclined. – BoogerD (talk) 10:27, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

Short Treks
I was not aware of the ongoing discussion, the section on list just looked like it was time (time to leave the "nest"). Also, I spent some time updating the article from the draft, it was not a simple cut and paste as the draft was clearly outdated. Thanks. Starspotter (talk) 18:57, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I'd advise you to add to the discussion on the talk page if you would like and to edit the draft if you feel it is out of date and needs updating. – BoogerD (talk) 18:58, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Sure, done and done. Cheers. Starspotter (talk) 19:07, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

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Do you even watch Murphy Brown?
Julius is sarcastic. It's a fact, describing a character. Wikifan128 (talk) 15:30, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

Article owning
I know we have the same goals here, but you should know that some of your edits and comments feel like article owning. I respect your edits, but sometimes they are nitpicky without improving the overall article, such as removing a perfectly valid citation, or objecting to re-wording a sentence for clarification. Again, I don't mean to sound hostile here, but some of your actions do come off as slightly aggressive, as if you own these articles, which might in turn discourage other editors. Just thought you should know. Cheers – Broccoli &#38; Coffee (Oh hai) 05:31, 28 November 2018 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry if that is the impression that you have been left with. I can assure you that, from my end, I certainly have no intention of trying to assert ownership over any article that I have contributed to. I edit on Wikipedia in order to contribute to a worthwhile project that I firmly believes benefits the world-at-large. I check my watchlist quite frequently every day and monitor articles that I have spent time working on. That being the case, I will more often than not take a look at an article's history to see what the latest revisions have been. As it relates to what I believe you were alluding to above, I had valid reasons for revisions I made and I did not make them simply to assert control over a page or to shift things to my preferred version. With the "Influence" section, I removed a citation that was unnecessary. It itself actually cites the article that was already used as a source and didn't provide any additional information. I cited WP:OVERCITE as a reasoning for its removal. The other citation I did not remove the second time it was added was it was placed within the context of a new sentence. I did, however, reformat the citation in order for it to stay consistent with the formatting style established in the article. Lastly, I fully and wholeheartedly appreciate good and well-written. I was very pleased and heartened to see that you had added original episode summaries to the article. They greatly improved its overall quality. I make mistakes everyday both here on Wikipedia and in real life. For that, I hope I will be afforded a little grace and understanding for my own human foibles. I will say that I have been guilty in the past of judging an editor for before getting to know them or hear them out after having made my mind up about them through their editing pattern or edit summaries. Sometimes my first impression proved accurate but more often than not I have been pleasantly surprised to find a lot of people on here are editing in goodwill and that things may have gotten lost-in-digital-translation. Thanks for reaching out to me and I hope to talk more soon (as my schedule allows it). Sincerely, BoogerD (talk) 05:56, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
 * , of course. Again, we absolutely have the same goals here in trying to contribute to Wikipedia the best we can, and I've not once taken your comments or edits in bad faith. I only brought it up for the sake of possibly discouraging other newer editors. For my part, I apologize if I've come across as defensive at all. All in all, I do think we are on the same page and have similar mindsets, and I agree that the lost-in-digital-translation aspect is partly to blame. Thank you for the thoughtful response. I look forward to working with you further. Cheers – Broccoli &#38; Coffee (Oh hai) 06:23, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I was glad to receive your message. I look forward to our future editing alongside each other. You know, its funny, some of the folks on here that I have come to rely on or ask advice from started off as editors with whom I was having a disagreement with. These sort of editors have become a part of a small list of wiki-friends that I run into quite a bit every month. I think it ultimately boils down to passionate people actually trying to do good here. Yeah sometimes you get trolls who are only looking to cause trouble and rile people up but it is more frequently the case that both parties are trying to achieve the same thing. Given my past experiences, I forsee a bright and fruitful future for both of us on here. Sincerely, BoogerD (talk) 06:38, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

episodes lists
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Draft:Untitled Cassian Andor series
Thanks for your wonderful contributions. I cant wait to watch this. Hayholt (talk) 18:14, 2 December 2018 (UTC)


 * No problem. I'm excited too! – BoogerD (talk) 18:15, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Question. I am wondering why starwars.com is utterly rejected for the page. Its fine we give deference to secondary sources but is there a particular reason to completely rely on secondary sources? 1 or 2 primary is good. Hayholt (talk) 13:14, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
 * It's just general Wikipedia policy as outlined in the MOS to avoid using primary sources as they are typically too close to the subject of the article. Reliable, secondary sources give a greater bit of distance and objectivity from their subject. Also, this is no need to add sources to the lead paragraph when the information being cited is already cited in the body of the article. – BoogerD (talk) 15:43, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

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A kitten for you!
Nice job getting all the new star trek show articles up to speed. Meow!

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Star Trek series
Hey, BoogerD. I noticed that you created both Picard and Star Trek: Lower Decks. Just wanted to let you know, since neither of them have begun filming yet, they should exist in the draftspace until filming does start, and the current information should reside at Star Trek. --  Alex TW 06:17, 9 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Fair enough. My mistake. I'll go ahead move them now. – BoogerD (talk) 06:23, 9 December 2018 (UTC)

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Hi BoogerD, You were talking about this reliable source, right? It said "Westfeldt’s status is recurring with Justice attached to the project for dual-episodes." Dual-episodes mean two episodes. It's not recurring. — <b style="color: #FF69B4;font-family:Georgia;">Lbtocth</b><sup style="color: #2D68C4F">talk  00:53, 11 December 2018 (UTC)


 * I can't enter into a debate or dispute right now. Just can't stomach it. I try and spend the grand majority of my time on Wikipedia creating articles or drastically improving stubs or just-started articles. Substantial editing as I see it. Yet, somehow about half of my time on here gets filled with debating over details and minutia. You know my feelings regarding recurring classifications as it relates to two or three episodes. I will say that I genuinely thought I remembered the article as having originally announced her as recurring and that's why I said that in the edit summary. Do what you must; I won't protest at least not tonight. – BoogerD (talk) 01:01, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
 * The article is only referring to Jennifer Westfeldt as recurring though. — <b style="color: #FF69B4;font-family:Georgia;">Lbtocth</b><sup style="color: #2D68C4F">talk  01:08, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Like I said...I misremembered the wording of the article. You've already pointed out its exact wording. I honestly just can't converse about this subject this evening. I know you've currently got other discussions going on over other issues tonight and so I, genuinely, do not want to engage you in a further one to have to respond to. You're going to do as you see fit; so be it. I'm willing to move on from it tonight and see to other issues if for nothing else that for my sanity's sake. – BoogerD (talk) 01:14, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I started the discussion to avoid edit warring. I will be respecting your wishes to move on from this for tonight. Thanks. — <b style="color: #FF69B4;font-family:Georgia;">Lbtocth</b><sup style="color: #2D68C4F">talk  01:38, 11 December 2018 (UTC)

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Murphy Brown
How exactly do you justify not including her statement? Where would it go?— Vchimpanzee  •  talk  •  contributions  •  14:28, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
 * First off, I'm sorry for the manner in which this has transpired. Hard as it may be to believe, I did not intend to remove the information from the article in full. What I believe happened was that I had copied and pasted the sentence with the intention of moving it to a new paragraph. In the midst of editing other articles and drafts, I somehow managed to delete the information rather than simply move it. Again, this was not my intention. My goal here, as I believe is the goal of all good editors, is to make Wikipedia more thorough and comprehensive. If you look at the article now, you will see that I have added the information regarding Trump back to the article in addition to further information about the production's development prior to the announcement that CBS had given it a series order. Feel free to message me back here to discuss this further. – BoogerD (talk) 20:43, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I don't see the information I added. You didn't say anything about the idea that if Hillary had been elected the show wouldn't have come back. I know it's just one person's comment, but it might be true. I was careful to be very specific about what was said.— Vchimpanzee  •  talk  •  contributions  •  20:52, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Is it okay if I move all this to Talk:Murphy Brown?— Vchimpanzee  •  talk  •  contributions  •  20:53, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Well, hold on, as you said above, "I know it's just one person's comment, but it might be true." I added what has been factually stated by those involved with the show's production. If they did not explicitly state that the series would not have been brought back if Clinton had been elected than it shouldn't bee added to an encyclopedia article. The information, as it stands now, is supported by a reliable, secondary source that any reader can easily verify. – BoogerD (talk) 20:58, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Okay, that sounds fair. But I did state that it was one person's statement.— Vchimpanzee  •  talk  •  contributions  •  21:10, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. I'm glad we could discuss the matter. I appreciate that you brought up the topic of the genesis of the show's revival as I believe it has eventually led to an improvement in the article. Hope to edit alongside you again in the future. Sincerely, BoogerD (talk) 21:19, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

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Hello, you undid my edit on the Imaginarium wiki. This was new information that is useful for readers to know and, I think, cited correctly. Please let me know why you deleted it, thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.24.23.215 (talk) 02:09, 22 December 2018 (UTC)

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User:68.47.64.121
Just FYI, I just dropped by the blocking admin's talk page and asked her to take a look at our friend's resumed edit warring. I think the two articles need page protection if he doesn't let up, which is a shame. -- -- Dr. Margi  ✉  23:43, 23 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I have a feeling they're going to be seriously problematic when they return. They're already disputing things on their own talkpage with the blocking admin and reasoning appears to have little effect. It almost feels like I'm wasting my time talking with the IP, and I'm sure both you and BoogerD feel the same. It may be worth just pinging the blocking admin when they resume edit warring. But oh well, I hope you both have a good Christmas. Esuka323 (talk) 23:03, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

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Who is America? Canceled?
Saw this article. By no means a confirmation as it hasn't been officially announced by the network but it makes you wonder. I personally think they are waiting for the outcome of the court case before deciding anything for sure. Esuka323 (talk) 03:32, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Because this is a pretty big show of faith by the network. Plenty of shows that are favorites among network execs but are low rated have been renewed before in the past so who knows really. Esuka323 (talk) 03:34, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I've seen all the articles over the last few months. Basically, Baron Cohen has said numerous times that he doesn't see a possible way to continue to produce the show because people are aware he's doing characters again (whereas during the first season of WIA, he hadn't gone out in the world undercover as a character in years). As far as he sees it, anybody that he and his crew would be interested in fooling probably has a press team that would be far more alert now. However, the network loves all the controversy and press that the show has generated as being in the news has given them free publicity. I'm not surprised they'd like to have a headline-grabbing show/performer stay with the network. I think that, for now, the article should merely note what Baron Cohen has said and what the network has said but avoid saying that the show has been renewed or canceled. Until Showtime issues some sort of statement saying that the series is not going going to come back then it is basically on hiatus. – BoogerD (talk) 04:31, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Oh I agree, I'm sure if there were someway for the show to continue Showtime would find it. It's not like the live ratings in the episode table are a factor in the shows fate what with Showtime being a commercial free premium network which relies more on its ondemand/streaming/dvr for a better view of a shows popularity. Showtime have kept a show called Twin Peaks in limbo because it was massively successful on their non linear platforms, and I wouldn't be surprised if we hear nothing concrete for a long time for this show too. Esuka323 (talk) 04:41, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

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The discussion is located here I had to look through a few pages to find. Esuka323 (talk) 19:50, 28 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I screwed that up. Fixed now. -- Aussie Legend  ( ✉ ) 20:02, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

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Origin (TV series)
In last edit you mention that such things as centrifugal force, Lorenz contraction etc. are original research. Why? The article was provided with links to Feynman Lectures and respective Wiki articles. 193.238.36.135 (talk) 08:08, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Per WP:ORIGINAL, "To demonstrate that you are not adding OR, you must be able to cite reliable, published sources that are directly related to the topic of the article, and directly support the material being presented." The sources you are citing do not directly reference Origin. You are taking various disparate sources and using them to support your own original thoughts regarding the scientific accuracy of the series. To add the information you are attempting to edit into the article, you would first need to locate a reliable, secondary source that specifically discuses scientific inaccuracies in the series. – BoogerD (talk) 09:03, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Understood. Thank you. 193.238.36.135 (talk) 09:20, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

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Yellowstone David Brown
In the first episode of Yellowstone, David is credited as "David Brown," but in all subsequent episodes, he is credited correctly as "David Cleveland Brown." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 104.129.198.111 (talk) 17:13, 4 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Double checked. That is inaccurate. He is credited as David Brown in every appearance. – BoogerD (talk) 02:40, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

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Question about your Raising Dion Edit
Hi BoogerD,

I noticed that on the Raising Dion page you made an edit on Dec. 17, 2018; removing the credit to the illustrator of the comic book (Jason Piperberg) that the show is based on. I was curious as to why? The edit was correct, as you can see if you go to the illustrator's website.

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 * Hi! It was reverted because Piperberg was not mentioned at all in any of the various news reports announcing the series unlike Liu. It is currently unknown if Piperberg will be credited on-screen for the series. Until such a time when a confirmation of his credit within the series can be confirmed and sourced, he is not mentioned within the article. – BoogerD (talk) 20:58, 19 January 2019 (UTC)


 * I can understand that reasoning to a point, in regards to Piperberg being credited on the show itself. However the edit you removed was specifically crediting him as the Illustrator on the comic book which is indisputable. His name is on Raising Dion's main website where he is credited as the illustrator. Piperberg's website is also proof of this, as it has the pages in his portfolio. Additionally, the website where you can buy the issue of the comic, credits Piperberg alongside Liu. In regards to Piperberg's name not being mentioned in various news reports, it's true that some do not, however there are many that do. Here are some links: Express.co, Deadline, Inquisitr, Nerdist, Even on the original Raising Dion Youtube video on Liu's youtube channel, Piperberg is credited as the illustrator in the description. There are others as well. Just Google Raising Dion Piperberg. So, although it's true that Piperberg has not been directly involved in the Netflix series, doesn't he still deserve credit as the artist of the comic book, which is mentioned in the article? TheBatarang (talk) 22:30, 19 January 2019 (UTC)


 * I must say, you make a compelling point and cited numerous sources to justify what you were saying. As it is yet unknown whether Piperberg will be credited with a "based on" credit for the series, it is still appropriate to omit him from the lead and infobox. However, you actually pointed out sources that the article itself already uses and, as such, I've gone ahead and rewritten a portion of the development subsection with Piperberg now mentioned. Further mentions of Piperberg within the article can be addressed at some point in the future once more information is known regarding the series. – BoogerD (talk) 22:41, 19 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Thank you! I do still personally think that since the lead sentence mentions the comic that it would be appropriate for Piperberg to be given a credit, but I can understand your reason for omission and appreciate his inclusion in the development section, at least. TheBatarang (talk) 22:54, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

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Year ranges on templates
Actually, there probably needs to be a wider discussion about these. The two issues are: 1) some editors consider the year ranges in templates "trivia" that should just be removed, and 2) should the date ranges be the full "4-digit" ranges or not? (And I think I pointed to the wrong discussion on this one – I know there's already been a discussion about this somewhere...) On issue #1, I think including them is harmless, though I don't feel strongly about it. On issue #2, I do think they should be the full "4-digit" ranges as there's really not a good justification for doing the "shortened" 2-digit date ranges. FWIW. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 21:23, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I agree that a wider discussion needs to be held. The discussion you linked to has a few editors, such as Geraldo Perez, pointing out that MOS:DATERANGE actually makes an exception for situations like these and that using two digits keeps the template more "compact". The discussion had a great deal of comments but it doesn't appear that a consensus was truly reached. – BoogerD (talk) 21:28, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
 * This may be one of those discussions in which no firm consensus is ever reached. But it probably does need to be brought up at someplace like WT:TV so a wider discussion can at least be held. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 21:44, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I agree that a discussion like that would seem warranted. Opinions regarding this would effect numerous templates/navboxes/etc. My only concern is that you'd end up with another discussion, like the one you linked to, that starts off strong and productive but eventually peters out as the editors involved don't immediately come to an agreement or get distracted/pulled away by other concerns on the site. But, well, such is the way things are on Wikipedia a lot of the time. – BoogerD (talk) 21:49, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

NinjaRobotPirate is at it again
There's trouble happening to me right now: just blocked me because I vandalized numerous television series articles again and you have only tried to clean up after me last year. Joeymiskulin (talk) 04:43, 26 January 2019 (UTC)


 * – BoogerD (talk) 04:50, 26 January 2019 (UTC)


 * I have no idea what's going on, so don't ask me. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 05:01, 26 January 2019 (UTC)


 * You blocked this editor a month ago (check your talk archives and their talk archives) after I dropped a message on your talk page. Their block just ended and this is the first edit they've made since. – BoogerD (talk) 05:04, 26 January 2019 (UTC)

119.224.3.221
This person is clearly disruptive editing. He or she claimed it's common practice to not round below millions. There is absolutely no rule on MOS:TV and WT:TV. — Young Forever <sup style="color: #2D68C4F">(talk)   22:50, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
 * He or she is the same person claimed initials require periods over by Manifest (TV series), yet, most editors disagree. In fact, most editors agree that names should be written how they are credited on screen. — Young Forever <sup style="color: #2D68C4F">(talk)   22:56, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
 * They're a known problematic editor that will happily edit war to push through their changes, be very careful when engaging. It may very well be easy to mistakenly trigger the WP:3RR thing. I had an issue with them over on the Suits Season 8 pages months back. And they went a little crazy on the Rise page a while back(See page history of that show). People like Ijball & Amaury & Alexthewhovian(Now Alex 21) have also had encounters with them. Esuka (talk) 00:25, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks, for the heads up. — Young Forever <sup style="color: #2D68C4F">(talk)   06:08, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
 * UPDATE: 119.224.3.221 has threaten to report me vandalizing the List of Teachers (2016 TV series) episodes article. I was not vandalizing the article at all. He or she is the one disruptive editing the article. — Young Forever <sup style="color: #2D68C4F">(talk)   21:55, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I too have had issues with this editor. Not sure what to do with them. They are on like my shortlist of 5 or so editors that just prove to consistently be a headache with little upside to their presence here. – BoogerD (talk) 22:49, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
 * The editor is known to force upon rules/guidelines that do not even exist on MOS:TV and WT:TV and make BOLD edits just because he or she just don't like it without gaining a local consensus. — Young Forever <sup style="color: #2D68C4F">(talk)   23:22, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
 * You'd be better off just reverting them on your talkpage and ignoring. You haven't broken any rules and there's enough evidence out there to get a retroactive ban against them. I believe that will probably happen at some point this year, they'll no doubt irritate enough people on a more active Wiki page that their past actions will be brought up. Esuka (talk) 20:14, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

Black Monday
Showtime are doing a panel for the show tomorrow at the TCAs, perhaps you'll hear something about a renewal or something noteworthy. You can see details here Esuka (talk) 21:34, 30 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Consistently one of my favorite people on Wikipedia. God bless you, Esuka! Thanks for pointing this out! – BoogerD (talk) 22:48, 30 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Thanks! It looks like Showtime announced pretty much everything but a renewal. But oh well, I guess that will happen later. Esuka (talk) 20:14, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

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Games People Play (TV series)
FYI, I've requested an undo on the moves related to Games People Play (TV series). Firstly, Games People Play (TV show) isn't a disambiguator supported by WP:NCTV. More importantly, you didn't do anything about fixing all the internal links (Special:Whatlinkshere/Games People Play (TV series)) to the 1980s show. Very disappointing. -- Netoholic @ 18:02, 3 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Hey . First, let me start off by saying that my intentions were never to move an article to an unsupported title or to ignore fixing internal links. With all of the articles I have contributed to, I hope you will look at the breadth of my work on here and understand that my edits were done in good faith. To get to the matter at hand: You are 100% right that (TV show) is not a disambiguator supported by WP:NCTV. What I had intended to move the page to was Games People Play (TV program), which is supported by WP:NCTV. I had seen IJBall make a number of these sort of moves to shows that were not series (with serialized narrative elements) but were rather simply television programs. Obviously Games Divas Play can no longer stay at that title as it is now inaccurate. So now I am wondeirng what you think she be done going forward. With Games People Play (TV series): the article could either be moved Games People Play (TV program) or simply deleted. The only reason I suggest deletion is that the article is over 10 years old and never once has possessed a single citation/source. Doesn't appear to be all that notable when a single source cannot be procured. But I understand that many would disagree with a full on deletion, so I'd be curious as to your thoughts on that. Once Games People Play (TV series) is moved to a new title than Games Divas Play be moved to a more correct title as well. Sorry it took me so long to get back to you but I've been feeling under the weather today. Get back to me as soon as it is convenient for you. – BoogerD (talk) 21:23, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Agree that Games Divas Play likely should be moved (although the news of the name change is very recent). This is why I suggest you hold a full RM discussion covering both article moves. I think an AFD of the 1980 show wouldn't succeed for delete, and indeed either an AFD or an RM will give visibility to fix the sourcing. As far as the naming, we often use additional disambiguation because "##### (TV series)" and "##### (TV program)" are terms which are often interchangeable in the minds of many readers (and editors) unfamiliar with the specifics of our naming conventions. I suspect what we should end up with is a Games People Play (2019 TV series) and Games People Play (1980 TV program) situation, but there is also some investigation necessary to tell if the 1980 is serialized or not enough to use (1980 TV series) instead. -- Netoholic @ 21:32, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
 * , I've noticed that you have been heavily involved with the moving of television articles in the last year. Could you possibly take a look at the discussion above and give your two cents? – BoogerD (talk) 21:38, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Several issues here. First, I agree that the 1980s TV show article should be at Games People Play (TV program) (or, arguably even at Games People Play (game show)), as it is clearly not a "TV series" in any sense of the word, with continuing narrative elements or contestants "continuing" from episode to episode – so it's a "TV program" as per WP:NCTV. Second, I agree that the upcoming BET TV show looks to be a bona fide "TV series" as per WP:NCTV. However, there's a problem here – the lede of that article claims the series "is set to premiere in 2019 on BET", but there is nothing in the article that I see that supports that claim.
 * So, now we have a problem – both TV shows are American, so we can't use "by country" disambiguation to distinguish them. So, we're stuck with "by year" disambig. So, I'd argue the first should be moved to Games People Play (1980 TV program). The second should then be moved to Games People Play (2019 TV series) but only after a source is provided to verify a 2019 premiere date...
 * Now, does all of this necessitate a WP:RM? I'm a little sour of RM's of late, and the moves I've suggested are all supported by WP:NCTV, so if it is certain that the BET series is now titled Games People Play, then I'd argue that, no, a WP:RM is not "required" in this case, and I'd just move the articles as I suggested, provided it can be confirmed that the BET series actually will debut in 2019. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 22:01, 3 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the quick reply IJBall. A quick double check showed that this Deadline Hollywood article confirms both the name change and that the series will premiere in 2019. – BoogerD (talk) 22:06, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
 * BoogerD/IJBall : A discussion of "program" vs "series" for the 1980 show is probably best handled in a full RM. This source credits the show as an early example of reality television (a genre we often label as "TV series") and calls it a "series" in no uncertain terms. Similar calls of "series" are found in other sources:, Sports Illustrated. 08/18/1980, Vol. 53 Issue 8, p36. 2p. . Its worth a discussion to avoid further reverting of the moves as "undiscussed". -- Netoholic @  02:34, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Do you think it would be safe to move Games Divas Play to Games People Play (2019 TV series) without a RM discussion? That, at least, seems pretty straightforward. BTW, you might consider adding that book source to the article for the 1980 show as it currently cites 0 sources. Good find locating it! – BoogerD (talk) 02:41, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
 * I dunno. Its always prudent to wait for additional sources to confirm such a date. Right now only Deadline and the BET press release has confirmed the name change and planned release date. Its a risk. -- Netoholic @ 03:05, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

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Edits: Hulu original programing
Hello. You just undid a couple of my edits, where I added Category:Hulu original programming to the bottom of National Treasure (2016 TV series) and Kiri (TV series). I'm aware that both were actually acquisitions. However Hulu marks them as originals, and more importantly, they are listed on List of original programs distributed by Hulu. Shouldn't they then at least be in the category? It seems off that the category would be the most restrictive list of the three. Cheers. LowRise (talk) 02:05, 6 February 2019 (UTC)


 * The page can give the nuance, but the category has no such luxury, so I would think it should be more inclusive. LowRise (talk) 02:10, 6 February 2019 (UTC)


 * The short answer is: no. The shows were not produced by Hulu and are therefore not originals. Netflix has been generally used as a guideline by which to follow when it comes to streaming service lists and categorization. Take for instance Derek, which was one of the first acquisitions by Netflix that they listed as an original in the United States. The show is categorized as a Channel 4 original but as a Netflix one (as is the case with all other listed acquisitions by Netflix that are listed as originals in the US). I think the general consensus of editors has been more or less this: Unless the series/film is credited as an original or production of a specific network/service in all territories than it shouldn't be listed or categorized as such. – BoogerD (talk) 02:19, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

Bless the Harts
Hi Booger, Would you mind taking a look at the article? An ip address keep adding names of characters without any reliable sources. I checked there are no reliable sources for the remaining cast yet. I am at the threshold of reverting the article. — Young Forever <sup style="color: #2D68C4F">(talk)   04:09, 7 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Saw that you reverted it. If they try and add unsourced information again then I'll revert it. I'm going to bed soon so I may miss something while I'm asleep (though I'll take another look at it in the morning). – BoogerD (talk) 04:15, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I have also given the ip address 2 User Warnings already. — Young Forever <sup style="color: #2D68C4F">(talk)   05:26, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

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Hope all is well.
Hey, BD. Noticed you've disappeared. Hope all is well. -- / Alex /<sub style="color:#008">21  22:45, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Ditto, not sure why he went quiet. I know he had a few issues before Christmas with problematic editors but I thought things were OK now. Esuka (talk) 20:43, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

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Catch-22 (miniseries)
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amazing stories 2019 series
I'd appreciate it if the fact that the name for the show was licensed by the currently publishing magazine for NBC's use (and Apple's current production) could be added to this post.

I licensed them in September of 2015. The original show was licensed to NBC by TSR Inc (dungeons and dragons, who owned the magazine at the time)

In october of 2017 apple announced their production - after I had terminated for breach the contract with NBC (non-payment of fees).

A hue and cry resulted in a renegotiation of the contract shortly thereafter (4 hours after I started tweeting about it my attorney got a call from head of NBC legal saying "please ask your client to stop tweeting, Apple is angry and Mr. Spielberg is very upset")

The show is obligated to display a licensing announcement in the end titles, to advertise with the magazine and to link to our magazine's website, which I believe are sufficient connections to include the mention in this article.

Citations and links to articles & such gladly provided if needed.

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The Great on Hulu
Hi BoogerD, i see you created and have edited the Wikipedia page on Hulu's new series THE GREAT. I've edited the page a bit with updated info that we have (I am doing PR for the show, fyi) but the show is still listed as "miniseries" in the title as opposed to a TV series. I'm not able to edit it but i think you are. Might you be able to help?

It will be competing as a Comedy Series at the Emmys, not Limited Series, etc.

Thanks so much and let me know if you have any questions.

Jonathan — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jdespr (talk • contribs) 21:33, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

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Great work
I have some things that I think you would love to write about. my email is keleesh@hotmail.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:CB:8280:6940:38E6:2F71:F330:A24B (talk) 14:50, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

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