User talk:BookPOD

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Proposed deletion of Sobraon (ship)


The article Sobraon (ship) has been proposed for deletion&#32; because of the following concern:
 * May be a duplicate of HMAS Tingira.

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 * It is a pity that you continue to edit the Sobraon article apparently without understanding that it is likely to be deleted. Not only is a separate article unnecessary, but also a merger is not possible due to the lack of reliable sources (in the Wikipedia context). Your almost total reliance reliance on a self-published book, apparently by yourself, makes it impossible to transfer material directly. That is not to say that there is anything wrong with the book itself, only that it does not meet WP's reference criteria. You have usefully demonstrated that the HMAS Tingira article needs improvement and hopefully you will bring to that your undoubted knowledge of the sources used in your own research, where they are appropriate, and engage in collaborative effort through its talk page. Davidships (talk) 10:45, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Dear Davidships - It certainly wasn't made clear that it was going to be deleted if I did not make the suggested changes. I am posting the material on behalf of the author and as this has been a learning process, I have tried my best to meet the criteria. Perhaps if instead I was advised that under no circumstances was the article to stay because of the link with the Tingira then I would not have wasted my time or yours. I have tried in the past to make changes to the Tingira page but to no avail - each change was reverted the next day. Any suggestions from your part would be greatly appreciated - certainly some facts on the Tingira page are inaccurate which the author would like to contribute.
 * May I enquire, if you are "... posting the material on behalf of the author...", what is your relationship to the author? Manxruler (talk) 12:06, 12 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks for replying BookPOD. I too am sorry that you were so industrious in developing your article, only to see it disappear; but when you first joined you received the Welcome! message above which explains about the basic WP editing policies, "reliable sources" etc. Bearing in mind that HMG's book cannot at present be used directly as the source for the improvements you intended, there is nothing at all to prevent you editing HMAS Tingira citing the same relevant sources that are given in the book (provided that you are able to verify them and that, of course, they meet WP guidelines).  By way of example, I have now dealt with the question of the dates of launching and maiden voyage. Don't lose heart! Davidships (talk) 17:15, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

Hi Manxruler - I designed the author's (Geoff Stephenson's) book. He is vision impaired and therefore relies on me to make these changes for him.

Davidships - Thanks so much for your reply. I'll let the author know.