User talk:Bookandcoffee/Archive 2006 Jan - Jun

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are you here right now?
I moved the entire fashion jewelery wiki to its correct spelling (fashion jewelry) and somewhat cleaned it up. Thanks to my inability to spell, it's currently tagged in the wrong place. What should be done now? I think my amateurwikiness got in the way. Jjjsixsix 00:02, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, for now, I'll be gone, so redir or whatever you wish to do. Jjjsixsix 00:03, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Alrighty, awesome. Seriously, why can't they just spell Americanish? But Americanish+British/2 = Canadianish. Whatever. Anyhow, thanks for your help. (And apparently, I speak California English.) Jjjsixsix 01:43, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Feildspar
How was the message I left him vandalism? I've inquired about his site multiple times but he just refuses to answer my questions! If he'd simply leave a public answer, I'd leave it at that.

I don't mean to seem rude, but I don't think it's unreasonable to ask him to explain his works. If he thought they were bad, I'm sure he wouldn't have written them, nevermind posted them publicly online, in the first place. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.153.115.202 (talk • contribs)

Rv Vandalism
On my userpage, Thank you--R.D.H. (Ghost In The Machine) 03:39, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Delaware Additions and Questions
Hello Bookandcoffee. This template is a little experiment of mine. I am putting it on every article (I write) that I think has potential for significant improvement- basically everything except a list. It has three goals:
 * 1) to really encourage the uninitiated and unaware to jump in and contribute- right when they are reading
 * 2) to tell them about the talk page- most have no idea what it's for
 * 3) to sub-consciously advise the potential vandal that there are others paying attention to the article

I don't think people realize the potential of this medium for an intelligent discussion about the content of the article and a gentle but constant reminder in a prominent place seems like a way to build such a culture. Maybe I should put something on the talk page as well?? Needless to say, I have been noodling with the wording, so would welcome any thoughts on how to best achieve these goals.

I like your comment box and am going to steal it if it puts the comment on the talk page like I expect.

stilltim 22:13, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks
Many thanks for your support on my request for adminiship, I'm sure you'll be glad to know the final result was 92/1/0. I am now an administrator and (as always) if I do anything you have issue with, please talk about it with me. --Alf melmac 11:43, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the note
Glad you found that little bit of Lansing, Kansas information useful...

Brains
B&C: Thanks for the cat addition. It reminded me to add another cat. All that writing and I forget the cats. Guh. I guess I used up all my smart :) Anyway, thanks for the catch. I think it's time for me to get some sleep. Semiconscious ( talk  ·  home) 23:00, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Organised Labour Wikiproject
Sorry for not replying to the message you left me about this wikiproject. I've been trying to spend less time here... It sounds like a good idea. I'll sign up. Mattley (Chattley) 22:26, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Wait...
There was a vandal? I thought I'd just cover up for some people. ;-) (No problem.) Mindspillage (spill yours?) 19:25, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Calculator gaming
FYI, Quarl's new article on Calculator gaming does exist now. :) &mdash;Quarl (talk) 2006-01-12 09:42Z 

Thanks for the welcome
Just starting to get my "feet wet" here. Seems like a great place to spend some spare time.

-Brooklynl, 12 January 2006

Thanks.
Thanks for the welcome. That was fast. I guess it's nice to know that someone is watching these pages. Looks as though you're a member of the counter-vandalism unit, so that must be why.. Feel free to pass on any formatting suggestions, as this was the first page I've created (as you probably saw flagged!) Chris

OOPS!!!
My changes to Bernie, the Red Sox, and A-Rod showed up on the "main" Wikipedia??!!! I am SO sorry! I thought it saved the copy on my local drive! I thought you needed an account to edit! PLEASE ACCEPT MY VERY SINCERE APOLOGIES!!!!

Trade Union
Hi Bookandcoffee. Sorry I haven't responded to your message before. I haven't had a lot of time for editing of late. I saw the new version of the intro to Trade union, but thought I would leave it for others to comment as I'd been involved in the drafting. It looks good - much better than the old version. Glad it's up now. I think it works well. Glad you could use the stuff I put up for it. By the way - good work on Labour Wikiproject. Sorry I can't contribute more at the moment. I'm hoping to do some useful work at some point soon though, including an overhaul of London Dock Strike of 1889, perhaps to the point where it could try for FA status. Don't know if there are any labour featured articles yet, but it would be great to have some soon. All the best, Mattley (Chattley) 18:28, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks!
It was all part of my fixation de jour on Tom Terrific Campbell and the Gastown Riots and the whole late 60s scene in Vancouver.

Wikimedia Canada
Hi there! I'd like to invite you to explore Wikimedia Canada, and create a list of people interested in forming a local chapter for our nation. A local chapter will help promote and improve the organization, within our great nation. We'd also like to encourage everyone to suggest projects for our national chapter to participate in. Hope to see you there!--DarkEvil 17:11, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

List of trade unions by industry
Hi Bookandcoffee. I think the category idea is a good one, especially as there are already some populated categories for a few industries. The problem with integrating the list by industry is that the "categories" I was using were just ones that occurred to me as I went along and wouldn't necessarily be a useful way of classifying organisations. I've been trying to think of where we might find an existing classification scheme that we could use as a template. One possibility is the scheme used by the Historical Dictionary of British Trade Unionism which breaks down organisations by sector and then by work-group organised. This wouldn't be very up to date - but it might reflect the connections between organisations/groups and lines of demarcation more accurately than a scheme designed by economists, which would probably be the other potential source for a classification scheme. One of the difficulties I have with this is that because of my labour history background I tend to think about all this in terms of past organisations rather than the present. I still think the Historical Dictionary could be a useful template though, and will go and have a look at as soon as I get a chance. Mattley (Chattley) 18:30, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Labour and employment law - redlinks
Hi Bookandcoffee - lovely to talk to a Canadian. I appreciate your courtesy in responding to my redlink removals on Labour and employment law My intentions were good as you note. I have three points and would appreciate your reply before I return to the article. I understand your point that In many cases redlinks can be an important tool for letting people know there is information that is still needed but only if you or others are prepared to promptly write that page. The fact is that an article looks and feels clumsy when it is full of redlinks. The better way to seek that sort of new article assistance is probably to put a request for article pages in the discussion page. Get back to me (my field is Industrial and Employment Law) as I want to help but if you revert from wiki policy and methods it is a bit difficult. VirtualSteve 22:49, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
 * 1. Only make links that are relevant to the context states very clearly What should not be linked .... Subsidiary topics that result in redlinks unless the editor is prepared to promptly turn those links into real ones .... It's usually better to resist linking these items until you get around to writing an article on each one.
 * 2. The article has a In need of attention tag - one of the many things that needs attention is the redlinks.
 * 3. The adjustment I made to what you have reverted to on this redlink doesn't get you to the main article - but the one that I adjusted it to being Canadian labour and employment law does so I miss the point - I would suggest that you have the bracket style incorrect perhaps?


 * Thanks Bookandcoffee that's very constructive. Appreciate your point on Main - which escaped me and is my fault entirely.  As you noted my intentions were good  - I was just trying to remove the redlink/s which you have my views on and thought it was just the brackets for this one item.  Anyway it has opened up pandoras box on the issue of redlinks and that is probably about time.  Perhaps we might get a policy very soon. Cheers in return :) VirtualSteve 08:05, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

98 B-Line
(copied from my userpage) Hi Buchanan-Hermit. Nice work on the B-Line. As a Vancouverite, I watch the Coast Mountain Bus article, and I saw the link. Cheers. --Bookandcoffee 09:37, 12 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I spent a while on it but it was collecting dust in one of my userpage subpages for a while because I wasn't sure if it should be added or not (some of the info might be covered by other articles). I'm glad I added it today, and I see I'm not the only one. ;) -- Buchanan-Hermit™ .. CONTRIBS .. SPEAK! 09:41, 12 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Just a note that I started writing the article for the 99 B-Line today. Being from Richmond, I'm not as familiar with that line as I am with the 98, so I want to see if you can add anything more to it as well since you seem to have an interest in the TransLink stuff. (In particular, I am trying to dig up the old stops for this route east of Broadway Station, pre-Millennium Line.) It's at User:Buchanan-Hermit/99 B-Line. I'll likely be adding it sometime this week, as soon as I get some photos of the 99 buses and make a map of the route. :) -- Buchanan-Hermit™ .. CONTRIBS .. SPEAK! 02:01, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Trade union
Thanks for the kind words :) Always pays to be polite and to try and avoid getting into pointless ideological arguments, especially when you read his/her user page. ;) - FrancisTyers 19:15, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

The Sorrows of Young Werther
Just wondering what publisher/edition of this cover you posted of this book, i want to get my hands on that copy. thanks for any help you can offer - - my email is lms06 at stanford dot edu.


 * It should be easy to find - it's the Burton Pike translation, just follow the ISBN link in the Translations section. --Bookandcoffee 05:58, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Confederation of Trade Unions
Moved, thanks for the heads up. Let me know if you need anything else doing :) - FrancisTyers 09:41, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Wikiproject Organized Labour
Thanks for the welcome; I'm not sure how active I'll be, but I'm interested in the labour movement, and over the last couple of years I've written articles on a variety of concepts and unions. Warofdreams talk 19:26, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Re: Welcome
Hi Bookandcoffee, thanks for your welcome, it's nice to be a part of this project. I'm not sure how to contribute substantially as yet - I'm currently working on stubs about the Specialist Sections of the CND (Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament), which did include a trade union wing, so I might work on that next. Sjeraj 10:54, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Re: Argentinian to Argentine
Hi ShiningEyes. Thanks for setting the Category:Argentine trade unions straight. Shows my regretable lack of knowledge about Argentina. Cheers.--Bookandcoffee 22:34, 16 February 2006 (UTC)


 * No problem =D --ShiningEyes 22:38, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Solidarity box
Tnx for the box. I see you have a problem with footnotes in the box - take a look at Polish September Campaign, where footnotes are implmented in the warbox, for an example on how to fix this problem.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 23:57, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

ILO
I'm not strongly opposed at this time to you changing this back. I can see reasons both for and against.

For:
 * International Labour Organization is probably the most common usage.
 * Searchers will probably get what they want.

Against
 * Links to ILO may not mean International Labour Organization.
 * Principal of least surprise - I would not be surprised to find a choice of meanings.
 * There are probably other uses of ILO we are unaware of. It seems "bad" to send someone through an extra page to tell them we can't help them.

Incidentally at the time I disambiguated all links to ILO, unfortunately I can't remember the distribution, most of them were from CIA fact book entries. Rich  Farmbrough. 00:41, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Vancouver and the GVRD
To all WikiProject Vancouver participants: A question has been raised in the WikiProject discussion about whether the entire GVRD should be covered by WP Vancouver. I'd love to hear your input on this on the discussion page because I think it is a possibility despite the amount of workload involved.

Also, don't forget that there is a Yahoo Group for WP Vancouver if you want to be involved in a possible Vancouver meetup. Thanks. :) -- Buchanan-Hermit™ .. CONTRIBS .. SPEAK! . 21:55, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Re: Invalidity Insurance (Industry, etc.) Convention, 1933 (shelved)
Mostly I was bugged by the fragmentary text "Having decided upon the adoption of certain proposals with regard to compulsory invalidity insurance,...". I added this note to the talk page. —Steve Summit (talk) 21:09, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Organized labor
Took a while to get back to you, as I've been off-line since Sunday. Will be leaving tomorrow morning to drive from Va to Ohio to give a poetry reading with others from Southern Appalachian Writers' Cooperative, but will get in touch with you when I return. Best,--Beth Wellington 04:03, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Page move
Done :) Let me know if you have any other stuff needs doing... - FrancisTyers 23:26, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Stephen Somerville
Either one is fine with me. Thanks, Kjkolb 22:58, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Howdy
Thanks for your message. I like your info boxes and I just added my name to the Organized Labour wiki project. Take care. Robbie dee 18:24, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for editing my page...NOT
You didn't like my interpretation? Please explain why your blurb is more worthy than mine. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.192.168.94 (talk • contribs)
 * Er... what interpretation? which blurb?...Bookandcoffee 20:04, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Labor-org-stub types
Hi - I note you've recently created several new stub categories. Did you realise that stub categories should normally be proposed at WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals a week before creation? That way they can be vetted to check that there are a viable number of stubs (a minimum of 50-60 stubs), that the categories does not cross the existing stub hierarchy before the stub is created, and that the templates and categories are unambiguous and follow the naming guidelines for stub types.

In the case of these stub types, several of them are below the threshold number of stubs required for new stub types - even with the existence of a WikiProject dedicated to them. In this case, there is a Wikiproject for Labour organizations in general, but there are not separate projects for different countries or regions, so several of the categories may well be upmerged. More importantly, as far as naming is concerned, stub types are deliberately named to avoid words which have different spellings on the two sides of the Atlantic, and also words which have multiple meanings (such as "union"). This is the reason there is no "Unionist-stub" (instead there's "worker-activist-stub"). For this reason, all nine stub types have been proposed for renaming at WP:SFD.

Though some categories for unions and other workers' organizations are undoubtedly worthwhile, you could have saved yourself and WikiProject Stub sorting both effort and time if you had followed the guidelines by proposing the stub types first! Grutness...wha?  14:05, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Hmm. Skip that. I see there was a proposal - sorry! However the proposal did mention to avoid "labor" and suggested the term "worker-org-stub" instead (coincidentally but hardly surporisingly this is the proposal for the renaming). Grutness...wha?  14:14, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Sure, I'll skip that.Bookandcoffee 19:48, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Herding cats
Hi Chris - that's a very good description of what the stub-sorting project's like! Yeah, I'm too quick to anger on this too, so sorry if I came across too heavy. Good luck with the labour organization wikiproject :) - James. Grutness...wha?  00:02, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Confederazione Italiana Sindacati Lavoratori
No, by all means do if you think it is better. Although there is a problem of translation with the Unione Sindacale Italiana (I'm not sure whether "sindicale" should stand for "trade unionist" or "syndicalist"). The only reason they had the names given in Italian was that they were the first two articles in the category. I think I had redirected both to English names, though. Thanks. Dahn 22:22, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

IATSE
Hello,

I've left you a message at Talk:International Alliance of Theatrical Stage Employees. The article should be moved back to International Alliance of Theatrical Stage Employes. Thanks. kmccoy (talk) 01:25, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

AFL-CIO updates
Hi Bookandcoffee,

I just got your message and would be happy to continue to update the list of AFL-CIO members. I'm a member of both Actors' Equity and AGMA, and I noticed that there was no mention of AGMA at all, so I decided to change that. I'll probably start work on an article for AGMA, but I don't have large chunks of time to devote to this kind of thing, so it'll be done in stages, I think. If you have any suggestions, let me know.

--Watermaren 14:47, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

New Zealand Council of Trade Unions
Howdy, I noticed you recently created the New Zealand Council of Trade Unions article. Many thanks. I have started to link in to the article regarding New Zealand links as it seems to me you are not a kiwi. Many thanks. --Midnighttonight 05:43, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Cool. When you've written them, add them to New articles (New Zealand) please (I've already put the New Zealand Council of Trade Unions article on).  And also use  .  That way, some Kiwis can come along and add some info on them.  Many thanks. --Midnighttonight 05:56, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Trade unions categories
Sorry about the slow response. My sense is you'll have to still do a conventional request at CFD and let the nomination do the standard slow wander down the page to the bottom before someone feeds the requisite changes to one of the bots and gets the various edits made. Irritating, I know, and there's the frustrating possibility of a luck-of-the-draw thing meaning total randoms will vote you down because it doesn't synch up nicely with their own 3-second assessment. Blatant and repeated assurances that this is in accordance with a consensus reached elsewhere (with linking) ought to keep that at a minimum. The Tom 23:08, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Welcome to VandalProof!
Thank you for your interest in VandalProof, Bookandcoffee! You have now been added to the list of authorized users, so if you haven't already, simply download and install VandalProof from our main page. If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me or any other moderator, or you can post a message on the discussion page. Prodego talk  18:27, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

suntracs
Okay, I can respect that, though I might just do some more posting now in order to fix that. But that's the problem with wikipedia, every element of science-fiction and fantasy has the most in-depth analysis, and there isn't even an entry for most major factors in the Third World. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bayano (talk • contribs).

WikiProject:Organized Labour
Hi Jobjörn. I noticed your work on Central Organisation of the Workers of Sweden yesterday, and this morning I saw your name on the participant list at the project. Welcome! Always good to see another face around. Cheers. --Bookandcoffee 21:06, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Glad to be here. I was thinking I should take care of the other Swedish unions, but it'll be a wee bit harder than the SAC article, as I'm a member of SAC but not the other ones. ;) But cheers to you too, mate! Jobjörn 21:49, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

FTF_logo.jpg considered for deletion
An image or media file that you uploaded, Image:FTF_logo.jpg, has been listed at Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion. It has been listed for deletion because Image:FTF_logo.png has replaced it. If you are interested in it not being deleted, please discuss it at the Images_and_media_for_deletion. Thank you. Jecowa 07:36, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Real jobs
Heh, its good to have people who do real jobs around. :) - FrancisTyers 20:54, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Cheers!
Cheers for the welcome to the Labour Project! I had edited a few articles about industrial labour/labour unions and considering I'm interested in it too, thought it would be a good idea to join up. I used to live in Vancouver in the early 90s, funnily enough, lovely place. Hauser 07:35, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Yea
I wasn't sure if I had an NPOV there, I thought it was pretty good but I figured highlighting it to someone's attention wouldn't hurt. Do you think it looks ok? -- Tawker 01:32, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

uaw
that wasn't an election 'prediction'. gettelfinger could serve a third term but made a deal with king to serve a second and then step aside. it's not like i said (also true) yokich put his power behind gettelfinger because he didn't want his successor to 'do better' than he did. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by DetroitWobbly (talk • contribs).

thanks
Well... I can't 'document' the deal made between King and Gettelfinger but too many facts from too many sources add up.

I understand what you're saying about POV and my comment on the 'one party state' but that is documentable. The UAW has what it calls a Public Review Board, an outside body that acts as the highest appeals body for internal judicial (union constitution) matters. The PRB (in upholding a decision of the 'International' Executive Board [Int'l in that there are one or two locals in Ontario that didn't join CAW, or Int'l in some kind of US arrogance] actually called the UAW a one party state.

Now we're down to it aren't we? Beyond my experimentation with what works on wikipedia and to the question of whether I will find the time to take it seriously enough to add to the articles I am knowledgable about.

Anyway, thanks for responding. It's a fascinating medium.

DetroitWobbly

Baden-Powell Scouts
What is your problem with the redirect? It is at least plausable that someone will type in BPSA when they are looking for the Pharmacy Company and it does no harm. --Bduke 09:37, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I understand now. Cheers. --Bduke 12:20, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Ironworkers logo - looks good to me
Thanks for improving that! When I looked around, I couldn't find a good sized copy without the background; glad you did. I'll list the old one for speedy del by uploader req. JesseW, the juggling janitor 20:11, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Millwright
Hello: Thanks for your help. I really thought that I was doing a service for the Millwrights. I would like to promote pride for being a Millwright. I have been a Millwright for thirty five years and I would like to share information and the history of Millwrights.What would be the best way of doing this? The site www.unionmillwright.com has over a 1000 referral links. Mostly from Unions and Trade Schools. Listed in the U.S., Canada and England. I would like to list. http:// www.unionnmillwright.com "Millwrights The Trade of all Trades" http:// www.unionnmillwright.com/history.html "Millwright History" http:// www.unionnmillwright.com/ "Who are the Millwright?"

In several categories.....

Unions... Trades... Guilds... Occupations Apprenticeships... Metal working... Mills...

And others that you think would be correct? Thank You Ron Oliver Millwright

Thank you for your message. I have been a Union Member for 35 years (ubc). My Bride (35 years) and I live in North Idaho (95 miles from B.C.) in Saint Maries. Unity Ron Oliver www.unionmillwright.com —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Millwrightron (talk • contribs).

Millwright
Hello Chris: Thanks for the preaching..Ha-Ha I needed it. I can see that my approach was in la la land. KISS "Keep It Simple Stupid"  Does not work all of the time. I will keep in mind your words of wisdom. Thanks mwron 19:56, 15 June 2006 (UTC)Millwrightronmwron 19:56, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Millwright
Chris: Just for the record... I speak Canadian, Hey ! mwron 00:22, 16 June 2006 (UTC) Millwrightron mwron 00:22, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

I appreciate what you're doing, but...
I'm going to move my comment back shortly, but I wanted to stop by and let you say more on the subject if you wished. I understand that you don't want to get involved, but moving my comment is getting involved. It's also why I was hoping you wouldn't engage with the sock. When you move my comments, you allow him to say "See! I told you IronDuke was being unreasonable! Even other editors are removing his comments!" I really want to avoid this. You need not respond to him or me, but if my comments are not acceptable, please let an admin make that call (and there are admins aware of the situation as we speak). Fair enough? IronDuke 22:55, 19 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Hey -- so I see you stopped editing for a while. I am going to replace my comments. Please, for the sake of my sanity (and for your own) do not remove them again. I'm having a tough enough time dealing with the wikistalking as it is without other editors piling on. IronDuke  03:58, 20 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Didn't mean to be piling on... I know moving another editor's comments is a risky thing at the best of times. I'll still be around, but hopefully the actual article is fairly stable for the time being. --Bookandcoffee 10:46, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Logos are cool
Yeah mate. Those logos looks heaps better. Much appreciated with the help! Dankru 05:30, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the warm welcome
Now that you point out the specifics, it does seem a bit biased. So by all means, go ahead with your edits. You really didn't have to come to me, but I do appreciate the gesture. Thanks. --QajarCoffee 02:35, 25 June 2006 (UTC)