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Happy First Edit Day!
I'd e-mail you some Bosnian burek, but that's not really possible, so...yeah. Well, enjoy your day! Cheers -  •The RSJ•    Talk  |  Sign Here  02:15, 31 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Happy First Edit Day on behalf of WP:BDC. --Extranet (Talk 06:49, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

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Children of Men
Hello. Thanks for attempting to convert an interpretation into a plot element, but could I ask you to provide a good, reliable source demonstrating that the sound of children laughing in the credits is a necessary (non-trivial) part of the plot synopsis? This topic has been discussed on the talk page and there is no consensus for inclusion. Please let me know what you think. &mdash;Viriditas | Talk 20:37, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Actually, you are going to find that Viriditas is strongly opposed to including any mention of the laughter of children in the plotline, for reasons that are both unfathomable and entirely his own. As it is an observable part of the movie, it certainly belongs, but he will edit war with you about it, as is his habit. He has driven off editors with this tactic. I've taken the step and reversed the revert that removed your text about the laughter of children, and support your edit including it. However, you might want to seek an outside editor to get their take on the text, as I am sure that Viriditas will likely revert the text unremittingly, until he breaks 3rr.Arcayne 20:55, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Arcayne, could I ask to please assume good faith and not make spurious allegations about other editors? I am not strongly opposed to anything, and would love to see a discussion of the children laughing in the article.  However, what I personally like or prefer is different from what we can source.  Try to keep your personal beliefs and interpretations separate.  Right now, the sound of children laughing in the credits is not considered a plot point; if you would like to discuss it in the article, find good, reliable sources.  I'm looking for some right now.  &mdash;Viriditas | Talk 21:30, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
 * My apologies, Booksworm; I forgot that i asked Viridtas to not respond on my Talk page anymore. Keep it to the Talk Page, sir. I do not assume good faith with you, as you have shown yourself to be unworthy of it by your trollish, uncivil behavior. You have caused three editors to retire from editing the article, simply because you were part of it. As far as "spurious allegations" go, who accused who of being either a sock or meat puppet?Arcayne 22:06, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Arcayne, you followed me here to attack and make incivil comments. Frankly, your comments above aren't supported in any way, however your edit history documents you trying to recruit meatpuppets to fight edit wars for you. Arcayne, if you can't stick to the topic in a civil manner, please don't reply. Thanks. &mdash;Viriditas | Talk 23:34, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Your opinion is valuable
I don't think you are a meat-puppet, which is what has been suggested here. You are not the first person that the editor in question has chased off, but you can help be his last. I was hoping you could tell us all why you think the laughter of children is part of the movie. Remember that synopsis items, as part of the story, do not require citation - just observation. The editor doesn't consider it part of the movie and wants to remove it because no one has specifically mentioned it.Arcayne 03:54, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
 * My apologies to allowing my disappointment at the other editor to spill onto your page. You should feel free to blank the entire conversation, if that is your wish. I am deeply sorry that I exposed you to our disagreement.
 * Your edit was good, and your thoughts well-considered. I certainly look forward to seeing more of you around here.Arcayne 08:17, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Your recent talk page edits
Regarding your recent edit to Viriditas's talk page and your threat that you will report him to the arbitration committee if he removes your message, please note that editors are allowed to remove any messages they like from their talk pages. This includes warnings. Furthermore, the arbitration committee only deals with serious disputes and would not be interested in such trivial rubbish. Thank you, Sarah 18:20, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Sarah is right, Books. I am sorry that your support directed Viriditas' accusations at you. He is allowed to remove items from his talk page (they survive in the edit history forever, though). If you felt he has treated you uncivilly, you could simply forget him and enjoy your time here, or if truly bothered, you could take your opinions to an admin you know, and get their input. I don't want to render advice that would have Viriditas calling you a meat-puppet again. Some people in Wikipedia have no manners, just like the real world.Arcayne 12:26, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Lastly, to show that a lot of folk seem to have ulterior motives in WP, Sarah appears to be a fairly good friend of Viriditas, as evidenced by recent posts here, here, here and here. I wouldn't go so far as to call her a meat puppet of Viriditas (I really hate that term), but I think it is odd that she wrote you right after you threatened Viriditas with ArbCom.
 * If you want to know who someone is connected to, just look at the history for the user in question. You can see who they talk to and where they contribute. Anyway, I thought you might want to know that you were getting played a little by Viri and his friends.Arcayne 12:36, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Honestly, I didn't think so, but your question made me read up on sock-puppets and meat-puppets (WP:SOCK). A user can get banned indefinitely for making sock-puppet accounts. As for meat-puppets, it is considered "highly inappropriate" to gather together meat-puppets to help you in a dispute in an article. That isn't what happened in the case of your involvement in the Children of Men article. You posted an opinion independently, and others (me and others) decided to defend that particular edit. Viriditas was wrong to call you (and others) meat-puppets, and him calling you such in more than one edit summary is even worse, because it damages your reputation in the WP community. Myself, I would complain about it, because I serve no other person but myself, although there are people who's edits I respect and usually agree with. It is up to you whatever you want to do, but if you need my help, I will help. If you don't want to pursue it beyond this, I will support that decision, too. However, you should know that Viriditas' bad bahavior did not begin with you, and until he somehow learns a lesson, it will likely continue.Arcayne 13:31, 11 March 2007 (UTC)