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"Stampede"
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 * Thanks for the reminder Borgenland (talk) 04:51, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

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 * Thanks. I did put reference just not sure whether I had to put refs at the end of every paragraph. Borgenland (talk) 03:14, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

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CS1 error on 2023 Sudan conflict
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A barnstar for you!

 * Thank for the notice! Will continue to update for as long as necessary. Borgenland (talk) 16:50, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

Dude, the NATO faction is correct.
Please let me add it back. 2601:5CE:8100:AC70:A86B:3CF1:E9B1:FA (talk) 15:45, 26 April 2023 (UTC)


 * No prob. There were just problems with the format that distorted the infobox. My bad. Borgenland (talk) 15:46, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
 * When you put the NATO column, the casualty figures all got sucked into NATO. Since I was having problems fixing it I had to revert it until someone can revise the table. I also wanted to put other multinational forces outside NATO. Borgenland (talk) 15:50, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Oh, well, I guess foreign involvement is already there. Thank you anyways. 2601:5CE:8100:AC70:A86B:3CF1:E9B1:FA (talk) 16:00, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Restored your edit with proper format. Will complement with other forces. Borgenland (talk) 16:02, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

Alleged
The latter phrase (denied by...) is also a substitute for the word alleged already. The original state before these edits don't need the word alleged. RCB88 (talk) 13:30, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

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May 2023
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 * Hello. Just found a better source with appropriate mention Borgenland (talk) 13:59, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

Please do not add or change content, as you did at Timeline of the Russian invasion of Ukraine (12 November 2022 – present), without citing a reliable source. Please review the guidelines at Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. ''Sorry for the warning but please be more careful when reading and using sources to edit wikipedia. You added your own original research to both the paragraphs. Again.'' WikiHannibal (talk) 20:32, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

Wagner leaks to GUR
I don’t want to cause any trouble but are leaked Pentagon docs reliable? I almost posted them but if Yevgeny Prigozhin seriously made that offer to Ukrainian intelligence. Then Prigozhin would be dodging Po- 210 or Novichok for the rest of his mortal life. Jjmclellan82 (talk) 02:06, 16 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Well the important thing is that it was reported in a reliable newspaper and the allegations were serious enough to warrant a response from Prigozhin and the Kremlin Borgenland (talk) 02:09, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

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Barnstar!
I was surprised to see over 40 article requests at Tambayan Philippines/Requests fulfilled, and all thanks to you! Here's a barnstar for your hard work!


 * Appreciate this so much! Will continue with the PH Senate list after I finish my work duties. Borgenland (talk) 13:46, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

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Esteban de la Rama
Xx236 (talk) 11:49, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
 * German article is much better.
 * If you translate, you should interlink.


 * Thanks! Didn't know it existed. Borgenland (talk) 11:51, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Several references contain errors, probably mechanically copied."Einkommen-Verfahren vor dem Obersten Gerichtshof" Xx236 (talk) 07:05, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

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Wiki links
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A barnstar for you!

 * Thanks. Hoping to catch up still. Borgenland (talk) 23:30, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

About the 2023 Sudan conflict
You may disagree with my edits but please refrain from WP:NPA as you did here []. Dilbaggg (talk) 13:46, 27 July 2023 (UTC)


 * My apologies. Been staring at the screen for quite an extended time. Borgenland (talk) 13:48, 27 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Its OK bro, and I agree your edit is very good, best wishes. Dilbaggg (talk) 13:49, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello! So just to clarify now that I’m properly rested, please do make a full citation format for refs since plain postings like yesterday are uninformative and vulnerable to link rot as per Wiki guidelines. Thanks so much Borgenland (talk) 05:37, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Borgenland they are more tiresome but you are right its better to do full citation, anyway no need to call it childish cause I have busy days and post past, i will do full citations and hope we can work together to keep improving the article. peace. Dilbaggg (talk) 06:08, 29 July 2023 (UTC)
 * No worries. I’m sober now. Borgenland (talk) 06:10, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

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 * Thanks! Still no idea on death date though. Borgenland (talk) 15:37, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

List of rail accidents (2022)
Hello, I recently noticed that multiple entries on the list were removed for reasons I find to be entirely fair, and I appreciate the assistance with keeping the page tidy. However, I was wondering if one entry could be returned to the list. (I do not want to add it back without a discussion so as not to appear spiteful.)

The January entry where a Los Angeles commuter train struck a small aircraft (and its citation) failed to mention that the aircraft's pilot was hospitalized for the injuries he received in the crash landing, which can be seen in released footage of the pilot's rescue and the collision. Also, since police pulled him from the wreckage prior to the collision with the train, I figured I would seek your opinion prior to putting it back.

It involves an injury and is a very unique incident, but the fact that the train did not cause the pilot's injuries is why I am here. Would you allow the entry to be added back with a better citation that mentions the injuries, or will you continue to uphold its deletion. Let me know and I will act accordingly. Thank you! Hotdog with ketchup (talk) 18:29, 6 August 2023 (UTC)


 * I did think of it quite longer. Though I removed it due to lack of injury as per guidelines I do concede that such occurrences are horribly rare. As such, I won’t mind if it gets restored. Borgenland (talk) 18:45, 6 August 2023 (UTC)


 * I've raised this issue for discussion at WT:TWP. I don't think you will have had a notification because I used Vandal (because of its output) when raising the issue. Please feel free to contribute to the discussion. Mjroots (talk) 06:26, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
 * If you closely at the logs you will see that I removed entries of dubious significance. I have always been reminded that Wikipedia is not a depository of every bump on a vehicle and I believe that I did my edits based on that assumption. Borgenland (talk) 07:10, 8 August 2023 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!

 * Thanks so much and also for bearing with my ce’s. Borgenland (talk) 03:29, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

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Talk:2023 Sudan conflict
Hi Borgenland, do you know what happened at Talk:2023 Sudan conflict? You appear to have cut the old talkpage from somewhere, but I can't find the revision history anywhere. CMD (talk) 06:59, 1 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Ah, I found it. Will make a technical move request. CMD (talk) 07:03, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
 * My apologies. I had a typo error and misread where it was being redirected. Borgenland (talk) 07:05, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Not a big issue, that happens. Please however don't cut and paste pages to try and fix these errors, it can make resolving them more complicated. CMD (talk) 07:08, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I appreciate your advice. Borgenland (talk) 07:09, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

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 * Thanks for your acknowledgement! I am continuing to fill in the other related incidents and hope you and other editors like what you review in the future. Borgenland (talk) 16:48, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

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AN/I
I saw your AN/I thread reporting a vandal and a spammer. In the future please report obvious vandals and spammers to WP:AIV, which is a noticeboard specifically for reporting vandalism. #prodraxis connect 16:08, 9 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I often get it mixed up and it so happens that my computer retains the ANI noticeboard more often in the search history. Borgenland (talk) 16:11, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

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 * Thank you again for the acknowledgement! Borgenland (talk) 12:58, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

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duplicate?
Hello Borgenland. Could you please restore the sourced content you've removed? I don't believe it's duplicated in the article. Thanks. - Kevo3 2 7 (talk) 15:38, 19 September 2023 (UTC)


 * I moved it to the Analysis section since the speculative nature didn't seem to fit with the Overview being an account of what happened. Borgenland (talk) Borgenland (talk) 15:40, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi. Could you please restore Ocampo's full quote in Analysis, and the "various analysts..." part too? If you read Ocampo's full statement, it also could be considered analysis, and I think it should be there as full, and the first sentence you removed also should be included in Analysis. I hope you don't mind restoring. Thanks. - Kevo<sup style="color:#d90012">3 <sup style="color:#0033a0">2 <sup style="color:#f2a800">7 (talk) 15:00, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I think I can do the various analysts part but I think I would have to tweak Moreno's comments since the way it was inserted looks to me like a WP:QUOTEFARM. Borgenland (talk) 15:04, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I'll add Moreno in Analysis later if you don't mind, you can restore the other part please. Thanks. - <b style="color:#d90012">K</b><b style="color:#000000">evo</b><sup style="color:#d90012">3 <sup style="color:#0033a0">2 <sup style="color:#f2a800">7 (talk) 15:06, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Done with some modifications. Borgenland (talk) 15:07, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

RSF takeover of 21st Brigade
The source is a tweet embedded in the story. Should I link the tweet instead? Buckshot06 (talk) 01:14, 28 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Usually Twitter isn’t considered RS per editorial consensus. But if you can’t find an alternate source it is better than the website you used since that is blacklisted by editors. Borgenland (talk) 01:19, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

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AGF and Nigerien crisis
Hi!

I wanted to point out that sometimes people do dumb or ignorant stuff. Recently someone thought "Russo-Ukrainian War" needed a dash and MOVED THE PAGE. I don’t think anyone ended up trouting them properly for it.

I generally find it’s best not to say stuff like "obvious vandalism" in a rv summary unless it’s something like substituting "meth heads" for "Mormon settlers" or inserting "block me fore i do something wild".

It also appears that the offending user has received neither a vandalism warning nor an explanation of their mistake.

RadioactiveBoulevardier (talk) 16:29, 5 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the reminder. I do get frustrated since this incident already happened several times already without them checking how many red links they made. Borgenland (talk) 16:32, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!

 * Thanks for this. It's my first time working on such a contentious issue and I hope I can help without causing untoward incidents. Borgenland (talk) 08:48, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

Introduction to contentious topics
Selfstudier (talk) 09:47, 7 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Thanks for this reminder. Hoping that I do not run into or cause trouble in this topic. Borgenland (talk) 10:19, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

Please refrain from vandalism in contentious topics
In October Gaza war article you added content that doesn’t exist in the cited source as a whole, and forged claims that contradicts that of the cited source as a whole in your diffs [1] and [2]. consider this a warning. Next time i will have to report you. Stephan rostie (talk) 05:32, 8 October 2023 (UTC)


 * I was paraphrasing and not vandalizing. Stop being hot-headed and thinking hasty generalizations immediately of other users. And there is a proper stylized template for that rather than barging in and making absurd threats like that. Borgenland (talk) 05:36, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thanks for this, probably my grammar OCD kicking in lol. Borgenland (talk) 15:07, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

A kitten for you!
For your hard job…

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Alumim massacre article changes
Hi Borganland, thanks for the edits you did on this article. I need to apologize for a misunderstanding that might have occurred. The article cam up at AN/I as missing citations and being badly written. I committed to doing a rewrite as an editor not originally involved in the article. Your edits were done after I’d put up my rewritten lead, but not the main body of the article. When I did update the main body your: I left long comments on the talk page stating most of the changes I made if you’re interested. Thanks again for your work on the article. Ayenaee (talk) 23:28, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
 * 1st edit to the lead would have remained (thanks for that it does read better). Your comment re being pushed back when dead is the problem I had with this wording from the original article. Since I couldn’t find citation for either of the "citation needed” tags I put in the lead, I have now softened the wording to fit the citations.
 * 2nd edit was overwritten by my rewrite of the article body. I changed this so much that I don’t think your edit applies, but you might want to check that.
 * 3rd edit removing a video mention, was one I also made in my rewrite for the same reason you gave. There is still mention of a video made made of another militant caught at Alumim. I have changed the wording related to this (removing what was said in the video) and noted that the circumstances of the recording are unknown. I don’t think it’s editorially ethical to place too much weight on a recording that may have been coerced, whether from a militant or someone who was kidnapped.


 * It's OK, I'll look into it from time to time. My apologies I didn't inform you all in the incidents noticeboard earlier. Borgenland (talk) 00:28, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

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1R breach and false edit summary
"It was not the first time Gendelman was called out for peddling misinformation about Palestinians. Last week, the diplomat shared what he called a "must watch" video allegedly showing dogs belonging to the Israeli militarys chasing Hamas fighters in tunnels under Gaza." is in the New Arab source, and which I correctly summarized as "once again" and that was incorrectly removed by you. Also The Daily beast is not deprecated, RSP merely advises caution when using in relation to living persons but here it is simply additional confirmation of the New Arab source.

Together with your earlier revert of one of my edits, you have in addition breached the 1 R restriction. I am going to let it go this time but if there is any repetition I will file a notice for enforcement without any further warning.

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 * I meant to say that you mentioned Gendelman was caught ONCE AGAIN even though this is Gendelman’s FIRST mention in the 2023 Israel-Hamas War article. I advise you check the whole article before you inadvertently leave other readers guessing where was his first instance mentioned. Borgenland (talk) 18:15, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Rubbish, he was caught once again (ie more than once), what I wrote was correct, if you can't understand English don't edit Wikipedia. Selfstudier (talk) 18:25, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
 * So why couldn’t you just provide an exact numeric value? It’s just simple. Gendelman was never mentioned in the article until you installed it. And you insertion was very minimalistic and honestly sounded a bit NPOV (unless you could have elaborated further on what Gendelman said)
 * And lastly, I find your parting message in bad faith being a resident of one of only three English speaking countries in our time zone. Frankly, I would consider taking that to noticeboard but since you agreed not to escalate your earlier beef with me, I will not be doing the same to be fair. Borgenland (talk) 18:44, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

A barnstar for your efforts

 * Highly appreciate this. Thank you so much. Borgenland (talk) 16:06, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

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Outdated?
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 * It mentioned there were no serious injuries in the riot. But in the next paragraph Garda said one of their own got injured. Borgenland (talk) 14:14, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

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- for extensive contributions to Israel- and IDF-related articles on Wikipedia. kencf0618 (talk) 13:53, 1 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Appreciate these citations. Thanks also even if we have had some disagreements over editing. Looking forward still for working together in these fields. Borgenland (talk) 13:56, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

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Vicente de Vera (politician)
Hello, and thanks for creating Vicente de Vera (politician). You moved it from Vicente de Vera for disambiguation: for which other article does (or will) it need to be disambiguated? Thanks, Wikishovel (talk) 16:00, 25 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Honestly, I am confused. Because at Tambayan Philippines/Requests the name is disambiguated, whereas in List of senators of the Philippines it is not. And as far as I'm concerned the request section refers to the Senator because it is listed under the Congress subsection. At the time I made the article, I had those two pages open, making me wonder why one stayed redlinked and the other was not so I followed with the disambiguation, but I understand that since it is not disambiguated originally at the senators' list so I acknowledge that I may have made a mistake in moving it. Borgenland (talk) 16:04, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
 * No problem at all. Sometimes unnecessary parentheses are added in good faith to a whole pile of redlinks: I've seen this for lists of government departments, albums, and so on. Happy to move it back, and if another Vicente de Vera article comes along, then we can always disambiguate again. Cheers, Wikishovel (talk) 16:14, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks for you understanding! Borgenland (talk) 16:19, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

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 * Thanks! I do like to seek clarification on Cabinet appointments tho. Are there exceptions to extraneous circumstances such as resignations or firings? Borgenland (talk) 16:01, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

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Imran Khan
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 * I’ll try. Tho it’s quite late in my time zone right now. Appreciate this call. Borgenland (talk) 17:33, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

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Hello. You probably have a point with this, but I sometimes see editors tagging any unreferenced sentences with citation needed, so there is a chance this might backfire in the long-run... Cheers, Number   5  7  14:12, 4 February 2024 (UTC)


 * I'm just probably obsessive compulsive with regards to space, but I won't mind much if anything else happens afterwards since I don't think I would be hovering over that article for long. Thanks for the heads up though. Borgenland (talk) 14:14, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

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Thank you
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 * You’re welcome. Appreciate this also! Borgenland (talk) 12:13, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I'd appreciate if you can watchlist the article for a few days. Thanks! HistoriesUnveiler (talk) 12:53, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes. I give it a month usually for election pages. Tho I'm not an expert in real time numbers, more of a prose person actually. Borgenland (talk) 13:16, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks HistoriesUnveiler (talk) 13:16, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

Adding results in List of constituencies table
Should we start adding results in list of constituency table? Saad Ali Khan Pakistan (talk) 12:23, 9 February 2024 (UTC)


 * If available. The ECP has results per district but its written in Urdu. So far I'm relying on the BBC and other available English sources. Borgenland (talk) 12:25, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

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Barattiiman
I see that you reported him at ANI for false statements, prior warnings, and general incoherency. I've dealt with him a few times at Portal:Current events, where he, like you said, has a history of general incoherency. I hadn't noticed it for a little while, but sure enough, he's done it again.

Overall, if you filed some sort of CBAN proposal at ANI on WP:CIR grounds, I'd be a strong support since I'm starting to seriously doubt his ability to constructively contribute in the English language. I don't quite have the expertise to file an ANI case on a user I haven't been directly party to longer-term, however; as I said, it had been a little while since I directly cleaned up a mess he left. The  Kip  07:21, 16 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Not sure I’d like to file a complaint at this moment since it might be construed as WP:HOUND. But I most probably will try again if we cross paths with an article on my watchlist, which is how I ended up filing previous complaints. Borgenland (talk) 07:26, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Ping me if you do. The   Kip  07:30, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

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 * Sorry about that. My hands sometimes get tired of typing that I tend to copy things from the shell template or whatever the last article I copied it from. Will try to be more careful. Borgenland (talk) 13:30, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I personally find using WP:RATER saves me some typing, so is probably worth a look if this is an area of interest to you too. -Kj cheetham (talk) 13:34, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Not to pile on, but it would also be helpful if you could please add the living and listas parameters when you add WikiProject Biography, so you don't add the page to Category:Biography articles without living parameter and Category:Biography articles without listas parameter. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 23:07, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
 * P.S. I should add those parameters belong in the banner shell ideally too, thanks. So WikiProject Biography then inherits them from the shell. :-) But it's not a big deal, as a bot will eventually correct things like that. -Kj cheetham (talk) 19:17, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the reminder. I do normally put them, it happened that I was on a frenzy to assess that time as seen by my rapid activities. Borgenland (talk) 07:24, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!

 * BTW, you sure you learned all these incl. of Pakistans ? --Saqib (talk) 18:06, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes. Thanks to YouTube and Encarta. Borgenland (talk) 02:30, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

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For the record though, am I assuming that this is because I am accused of being a sock? Or is it a problem with the wifi at my current location? Or is it the fact that I my account is open on my laptop as well as my phone at the same time? Borgenland (talk) 14:12, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
 * If you have been abusing multiple accounts, I certainly suggest you stop. But we have no reason to believe you've been abusing multiple accounts (WP:SOCK), it's just a problem with the wifi at your current location. If you are planning on being here more than just a few days, WP:IPBE may be an option for you. --Yamla (talk) 14:16, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
 * My only other account is transparently declared on my Userpage with legitimate justification. As for the internet, I’m only in transit in my current location. I expect to be back at my one of my 2 permanent addresses within the next day though it will take some hours by road. I hope this clears things up since this is the first time I have had this problem, which came about without a formal blockage notice and popped up only as I was about to make a routine edit. Borgenland (talk) 14:20, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Clarify: accused of being a sock, not being a sock in itself. That misunderstanding was made in confusion when the request was denied. 14:24, 9 March 2024 (UTC) Borgenland (talk) 14:24, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I see you did indeed appropriately declare an alternate account. Again, I have no suspicion that you've done anything wrong here. You just happen to be using an IP address that functions as a proxy through no fault of your own. To be clear, I haven't looked at the technical evidence, but that's specifically because I have no suspicion here. :) --Yamla (talk) 19:45, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
 * It’s fine. I’m currently out of my last location and currently using mobile data on the road. I have been able to edit normally since. Thanks for the clarification. Borgenland (talk) 19:58, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

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Hello. Regarding the recent revert you made&#32;to 2024 Western Russia incursion: you may already know about them, but you might find Template index/User talk namespace useful. After a revert, these can be placed on the user's talk page to let them know you considered their edit inappropriate, and also direct new users towards the sandbox. They can also be used to give a stern warning to a vandal when they've been previously warned. Thank you. Firestar464 (talk) 11:59, 13 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I'm just unsure whether to give a warning because I fear that they, assuming that they are bona fide trolls, would relish it if someone bothered to give attention to them. I will issue a sterner warning if they come back. 12:06, 13 March 2024 (UTC) Borgenland (talk) 12:06, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Reverting "copyvio"?
Hi! In this diff, you put "copyvio" as the reason, when I wrote that and did not copy from any sources. It may have been too much information, so needing removal anyway, but why did you state copyright as your revert reason? BhamBoi (talk) 23:56, 13 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Apologies but the way it was written like a news report gave rise to suspicions on my part that it may have been. Borgenland (talk) 00:19, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

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Update the Israel-Hamas War Timeline
According to Al Jazeera, Israel claims it has “dismantled” 18 of the 24 battalions operated by Hamas in the Gaza Strip, killed more than 21,500 fighters, and destroyed many tunnels. To put the number into perspective, Falk said it took the US military nine months to kill 5,000 ISIL (ISIS) members in Iraq's Mosul. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2024/3/15/israels-war-on-gaza-live-new-horrific-massacre-on-starving-palestinians?update=2775000#:~:text=Israel%20claims%20it%20has%20%E2%80%9Cdismantled,ISIS)%20members%20in%20Iraq's%20Mosul. 65.175.241.99 (talk) 19:49, 15 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Please send this to the article’s talk page, not in individual editors. Borgenland (talk) 02:21, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

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Oceana waterpark fire
Hi there,

Your update here about the fire at Liseberg went a bit 'askew'. The URL in the cite, about the body found afterwards, went to a story about a paint factory fire in India. I have fixed the cite. 220  of  ßorg 11:03, 18 March 2024 (UTC)


 * I probably forgot to fix the citation template before I copy-pasted it. Thanks for the correction. Borgenland (talk) 11:04, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
 * No worries! 220  of  ßorg 04:19, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Do you have...
...any thoughts/ suggestions on this this ? Saqib (talk) 17:18, 17 March 2024 (UTC)


 * I’ve been trying to fix that article due to tons of grammatical errors, tons of redundancies, generic and fictitious author names in refs and sections that seem to have been copy-pasted from newspapers from time to time, which unfortunately is also prevalent in a lot of Pakistani politicians’ biographies I have handled since February. Borgenland (talk) 17:23, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Sorry? Which article you talking about? --Saqib (talk) 18:16, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
 * You referred to Maryam Nawaz. The others I checked included Arif, Kakar, Nawaz, Shehbaz, Imran Khan, the Bhuttos and Musharraf. Borgenland (talk) 02:38, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
 * You're absolutely right. Majority Pakistani bio pages are in dire need of improvement. But currently, I'm focusing on enhancing Maryam's page. As you can see, I've expanded it significantly. However, I'm seeking opinions on whether I'm heading in the right direction and if there are any areas that need improvement. Your feedback would be greatly appreciated. --Saqib (talk) 06:27, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
 * So far it is grammatically coherent. My suggestion is for a separation to be made with her Early life and education against her personal life. I have lingering suspicions about the length of the political career, but I think it has to do with the sources, some of which may be compromised given the political and media climate in Pakistan, though determining which sources are suspicious is beyond my capacity as someone who doesn't live in the country and since there has been no serious discussion of reliability of Pakistan based sources in previous arbitration discussions. So far, in my experience, I trust Dawn but not sure about the others unless they are reporting on plain accidents and incidents. I suggest closely scrutinizing the hagiographic-sounding ones first before moving on to possible muckracking. Borgenland (talk) 06:35, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Well based on my assessment, nearly all of the sources currently utilized in this BLP can be deemed reliable, though they may not be of the highest caliber. Considering the standards prevalent in Pakistan, these sources suffice, although Dawn itself has faced criticisms at times despite being the nation's leading news outlet. Anyways, I will split the Early life and education section as suggested and create a new section for her personal life. I still encourage you to go through the political career section and offer suggestions for further subsections. We can then proceed to split it accordingly and evaluate the overall structure. --Saqib (talk) 19:14, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Sorry it took so long, as I have 270+ articles watching today, not all permanently. Initial controversies and challenges and Legal challenges and conviction in corruption cases is better off merged. And the political career should either include chief ministership for consistency or be split off since it is too heavy. Borgenland (talk) 14:47, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

Bridge collapse
Hi, I see you’ve done a lot of editing on this page, including reverting one edit of mine. I’ve started a little discussion on the talk page. Friendly regards, Springnuts (talk) 19:50, 26 March 2024 (UTC)


 * I couldn’t find it. Could you explain what it is since it’s not the first revert I’d done here. Borgenland (talk) 02:04, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Either I didn’t put it in properly, or it was over written. I’ll have a hunt. Springnuts (talk) 13:01, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
 * The discussion was prematurely archived, but the issue has been overtaken by events, so it's all good. Friendly regards, Springnuts (talk) 12:16, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

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Dina Boluarte
I just saw the citation issues on Dina Boluarte and was wondering how that happened. Does visual editing in a section restart the count of ref names (ref name=":0", etc.)? I'll go through and clean it up, but just wanted to apologize since it looked fine when I originally made the edit. Thanks for taking a look at the article since it hasn't received much attention in months and let me know if there are any other concerns. WMrapids (talk) 16:58, 4 April 2024 (UTC)


 * I was indeed confused about that. Unfortunately I'm not sure regarding your query since I am more of a source editor. No worries though, I have seen that you have made consistently decent edits in other articles that I have touched upon and have no reason to suspect malice on your part. Borgenland (talk) 17:00, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
 * It should be all fixed now. Thanks for providing an edit summary because I might have not noticed the issue right away without it. Cheers! WMrapids (talk) 17:21, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Borgenland
good, I think that user 2402. or whatever it was, also changed the number of deaths from 266 to 268, as I saw that in List earthquake United States he changed a lot Stefanbarbu4 (talk) 16:12, 5 April 2024 (UTC)


 * The annual death toll was made by another user and was correct. But I am indeed annoyed at that IP's failure to read the whole article before recklessly inserting crap. Borgenland (talk) 16:17, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I saw on the List of Earthquakes US that the earthquake in New Jersey would have caused 2 deaths, something like that Stefanbarbu4 (talk) 16:35, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Oh I thought it was in the annual list. I see that there is an dedicated article being made but will wait for experienced members of WikiProject Earthquakes to decide if the earthquake can be legitimately listed this time. Borgenland (talk) 16:39, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Trial of Joseph Estrada
Hello, I am not sure if Trial of Joseph Estrada contains the content for Impeachment trial of Joseph Estrada, which you requested at WP:Philippines. Can you please check? Thanks. Sanglahi86 (talk) 12:59, 8 April 2024 (UTC)


 * The entire thing was post-presidency and deals with the Sandiganbayan trial. Borgenland (talk) 13:01, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Oh, ok. Thanks for informing. Sanglahi86 (talk) 13:37, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

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1RR violation at 2024 Iranian strikes in Israel
You have violated 1RR at 2024 Iranian strikes in Israel. Please self-revert. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 14:34, 18 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Could you please tell which edit, I have been editing it multiple times today. Borgenland (talk) 14:35, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
 * This, while technically correct is not exempted from 1RR. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 14:39, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Done. I hope the grammar can still be remedied by someone else. Borgenland (talk) 14:41, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
 * My apologies also for that mess. Borgenland (talk) 14:48, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks for remedying that, and no worries. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 14:54, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Terrorists and Militants
Regarding your recent edits on Bohol, I am normally against any form of terrorist tagging for many organizations, but at the same time, I am not comfortable with calling the ASG "militants." My concern is that we may begin creating an atmosphere where the ASG's actions and motivations begin to be associated with OTHER militant groups. In a way, the use of "militant" is sort of POV as well. Is it okay if we just avoid tags altogether in this case? I.e. Aby Sayaff attacks instead of either terrorist or militant attacks, and Abu Sayaff elements rather than Abu sayaff militants or terrorists? Cheers - MistahPeemayer (talk) 02:48, 17 April 2024 (UTC)


 * It was my understanding that the word terrorist was to be avoided as much as possible per MOS:TERRORIST and per prior experience in handling other terror-related pages, with my semi-traumatic experience contributing to the Israel-Hamas War as an example. Plus, that section looked as if it was written by the NTF-ELCAC (who else would use the word nefarious in an encyclopedia) Borgenland (talk) 03:54, 17 April 2024 (UTC)


 * I see your point regarding NTF-ELCAC, which is a valid enough argument for me. But I also was not aware of MOS:TERRORIST, which I will now keep in mind for future reference. Cheers! - MistahPeemayer (talk) 00:23, 19 April 2024 (UTC)