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Working on the Schuylkill Navy page for a Cornell University project
I saw that you did a lot of the heavy lifting on the Schuylkill Navy page. I am currently working on the page with a couple of my Cornell University classmates for our Online Communities class. Would you mind taking a look at what we have put up over the next couple days to make sure we are on the right track. Eddie and I, Andrew, row at Cornell, Eddie is a lightweight and I am a heavyweight. I rowed on Boathouse Row for 4 years in high school at The Shipley School, so we would love to get connected with someone else who is passionate about the sport.

Thanks! Andrew, Eddie, and Janice ~

Last Will and Testament of George Washington
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Good job turning my stub into an article!
Thanks for your work on Christopher Sheels! &mdash; Sebastian 02:54, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

I notice that you've been editing articles
that are on my watchlist and want to mention that if you write something, anything, on your user page than your UserName will appear in blue instead of red and you will almost automatically gain 27% more respect from the folks who watch the pages that you edit. Just a thought. Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 16:24, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I will continue double checking all your edits that appear on my watch page (quite a few, it turns out) until your name appears in blue.  Carptrash (talk) 20:05, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

List of works by Thomas Eakins
Great work! Raul654 (talk) 14:55, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Categorization
Sure and it's my pleasure - glad to be of assistance. :-)

Oh...and history isn't boring. At least when you have a degree in it... :-) -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 18:27, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia takes Philly
I've notice your edits at the NRHP list for Center City Philadelphia. Please keep it up!

I wonder if you've noticed Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Philadelphia/Wikipedia Takes Philadelphia and WikiProject Philadelphia/List of articles that need pictures in Philadelphia ? This is a good chance to make the Center City NRHP list fully illustrated, so I've put all unillustrated CC NRHPs on the list. I'd appreciate it if you could join in on the photography, but perhaps even more important (given your obvious knowledge of Philly) - could you check to see if all the unphotographed sites still exist (i.e. are not torn down). I'd think this is a problem especially in Chinatown. Well anything you could do would be a help. Thanks. Smallbones (talk) 04:32, 17 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Any chance I'll see you there tomorrow? Smallbones (talk) 17:42, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

The Fairman Rogers Four-in-Hand
Thank you so much for creating this. It's been on my list of articles to write for quite some time. I've nominated it for the main page 'Did You Know' spot (which should happen in a couple of weeks). Raul654 (talk) 20:26, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
 * You may want to address Materialscientist's comments at Template_talk:Did_you_know regarding the the Fairman Rogers article -- there are several unreferenced paragraphs. Also, the hook is unreferenced.. I took care of the latter issue, but there are still unreferenced paragraphs. Raul654 (talk) 16:30, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

DYK for The Fairman Rogers Four-in-Hand

 * Thank you. I appreciate your letting me know. BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 13:37, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Ed Hamilton
Thank you for your excellent work on the Ed Hamilton article! Stevie is the man! Talk &bull; Work 14:51, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. What it needs is more pictures of his sculptures. BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 13:37, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Pennsylvania Railroad Connecting Bridge
Thanks for adding this article. I'm not completely enthusiastic about the current title, but it does have to be a compromise among many competing names for this structure, and it shouldn't be changed without consensus. I'm posting some alternative suggestions in Talk:Pennsylvania Railroad Connecting Bridge and asking for feedback.Martindelaware (talk) 07:25, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

Your recent edit to the Skew arch article
Hello. I notice you've replaced the picture of Colorado Street bridge with one of the Philadelphia and Reading Railroad's viaduct across the Schuylkill River. It's a good photograph but I'm afraid it's in the wrong section. Further down in the article you'll see a section entitled The ribbed skew arch, which actually contains a large paragraph on this very bridge. I wanted to include a photograph of it but could never find one, perhaps due to the fact that it didn't have an easily searchable name. That said, I believe the two existing photos of ribbed skew arches to be much better examples as they better show the stepped ribbed nature of their construction. While the ribbed skew arch is indeed one form of the false skew arch the photo is not representative of the general false skew arch, which is built with courses that run parallel with its abutments (as opposed to perpendicular to its faces). I'm therefore going to revert your edit but I think it only fair that I explain why. I will include a Wikilink to the Schuylkill bridge article. —MegaPedant 23:45, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Girard Avenue Bridge
The DYK project (nominate) 08:03, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

St. Michael's Episcopal Church
Nice work on expanding St. Michael's Protestant Episcopal Church, Parish House and Rectory from a stub. I notice it is not in the article, but the NRHP nomination form usually is a good source as well.

As the article name is fairly long, I wonder if moving it to a shorter one has ever been proposed (maybe just St. Michael's Episcopal Church (Birdsboro, Pennsylvania). ​​​​​​ ​​Niagara ​​Don't give up the ship 00:43, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

SEPTA Regional Rail bridge
Thank you for your comments on the Pennsylvania Railroad Connecting Bridge title on User talk:Martindelaware. I have replied on talk pages. I have been working on creating or updating all the bridge articles in Philadelphia over the Schuylkill River, and now I am just starting on what is now called the SEPTA Regional Rail bridge in the list. This bridge was built by the Pennsylvania Railroad in 1879-1881, and opened for freight April 25, 1881, as part of what was called the "Elevated Road" and later the Chinese wall when connected to the Broad Street Station. Before an article is created, I am seeking your advice on what to call this bridge. I am having difficulty finding enough information about it, but I may create a short stub with photos and hope that other editors can contribute more details. What would you advise?--DThomsen8 (talk) 13:49, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Yesterday I visited the Railroad Museum of Pennsylvania, a very interesting place. I learned from a staff member that I can contact their library by email and they have experts who can definitely provide historical information about this bridge. I have ordered some books through the Inter-Library Loan program which also could be of help. I have quite a few photos of this bridge, and I will take a few more from the SEPTA 30th Street platforms, but I do not add photos to the Commons until I have the name and history of a building or bridge to include when I upload using the Commonist tool. While out in Lancaster County, I also took photos of three covered bridges, two of which I can identify in bridgehunter.com, and one is not there, probably because unlike the other two, it is now closed. Again, the photos only go up when I have reasonably good information about the bridges. --DThomsen8 (talk) 17:07, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Johnstown Flood
Hi BoringHistory Guy. The paragraph about the Johnstown Flood that you added recently to Main Line of Public Works is well-written and interesting, but it lacks in-line citations to reliable sources. Could you please add them? If you know what they are but don't know how to add them, I'd be glad to help. Finetooth (talk) 00:59, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

So . . ... I have a lot
of sculpture related articles on my watchlist and you are slowly, one at a time, hitting them all. Because this is a good thing you have earned the seldom coveted Thumbs Up Award. Way to go. Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 23:24, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks
You might also check out the pix at Aden, Delaware on Commons. I've got the feeling that Will Price and Rose Valley, Pennsylvania are/were among the most important articles in my area of interest that need the most re-writing - but I really don't know where to start! I will almost surely put Thunderbird Lodge into its own article however. If you want to do some more on these articles, I'll do more than just help. Thanks for the kind words. Smallbones (talk) 00:35, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Great, you should take both Alice Barber Stephens and Thunderbird Lodge (Rose Valley, Pennsylvania) to DYK for a double - I'll see if I can think of a hook that has both of them in it. I'll certainly add something to Tbird lodge.  Smallbones (talk) 01:27, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes,you are right - I've added the nomination forms from PHMC, and if I have time tonight will add material about the Olmsteds - it looks fairly important. BTW, from the name on the mailbox, their family still lives there. Smallbones (talk) 00:00, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
 * If you are an old friend of George Thomas, you are quite lucky. I haven't run into Nancy Webster before, but I'd guess the same applies.  Pennsylvania nomination are "all available" on-line, but it is very strange.  You need to use Internet Explorer to get them, which is difficult for me, but not impossible, even though I use a Mac.  Go to https://www.dot7.state.pa.us/ce/Project/CustomQueries/Wizard.asp, sign in with "public" and "public", then follow the AskRegis prompts in the order suggested.  Once you've download the forms just substitute the "H number" into Format for a PHMC NRHP link. to get a reference that doesn't need Internet Explorer.  Smallbones (talk) 03:53, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Alice Barber Stephens
Wow - I can't believe we didn't have an article about her yet. Excellent work; happy editing!

PS: you're not boring in the least. :-) -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 02:36, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Surely - you're quite welcome. Keep up the good work! -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 16:41, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

DYK for The Pennsylvania State Memorial
The DYK project (nominate) 18:06, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks
I try to just keep plugging along. If there are directions that you think I should plug along on, please let me know. Smallbones (talk) 05:08, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

the alarm
not at all, just creating public art stubs. if i see a pic and siris reference, i'll make one. thanks for improvement to Benjamin Franklin (Boyle). Slowking4 (talk) 15:43, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
 * you could also change it to John J. Boyle, (remember to change disambig page John Boyle). i am supremely indifferent to name changes, since it dosn't affect a google search. Slowking4 (talk) 16:04, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks again
The inscriptions reads as follows, except in ALL CAPS (text in parens mine)

William Hickman Harte VSN (USN) Killed in action IVNE XVI (June 16) MDCCCLXII (1862) Aged XXXV years and Mary A Harte his wife Died September IX MCMVII (1907) - Aged LXXI years

I've got 2 other pix of the cross - full height of same side, ok but repetitious, and the other side probably more interesting but there are light problems.

All the best, Smallbones (talk) 22:17, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

You're invited to the Philadelphia Wiknic!


This message is being sent to inform you of a Wikipedia picnic that is being held in your area this Saturday, June 25. From 1 to 5 PM or any time in between, join your fellow volunteers for a get together in the Azalea Garden, just behind the Philadelphia Museum of Art 39.96801°N, -75.18316°W

Take along your friends (newbies permitted), your family and other free culture enthusiasts! You may also want to pack a blanket, some water or perhaps even a frisbee.

If you can, share what you're bringing at the discussion page.

Also, please remember that this is the picnic that anyone can edit so bring enough food to share!

Smallbones (talk) 16:58, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

van der Weyden
Hi, can you either activate your ability to recieve mail or email me so I can send a copy of the Tucker article. Ta. Ceoil (talk) 20:47, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
 * It was my mail that wasn't enambled. Mail sent now. Ceoil (talk) 11:16, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Josephine P. Widener


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December 2011
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 * I managed to salvage the article and it now lives here User:Carptrash/Josephine P. Widener. I'm hoping that we can turn it into something that will pass muster.  EInar aka Carptrash (talk) 16:31, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Steuben Monument
I'm glad you found this article of interest. I am working with a group of photojournalism students this semester to create images and properly share them in Commons, so we should have a nice illustration of the sculpture soon. I also hope the stub can be expanded in time. It's great to learn of your work improving the encyclopedia's coverage of sculpture. Thank you! Jgmikulay (talk) 17:59, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback.
Getting a comment like that is always a pleasure!

Please do continue adding things - did you see the link to SlowKing's user page on the talk page. It has the "full SIRIS list" but does need some work. I've also been thinking about how to best organize the list.

As far as the Lincoln (Kemeys) statue - I think it's just a mistake on SIRIS. He generally didn't sculpt people, and there is no such statue on Kelly Drive or "East River Drive." But I'm just trying to make sure.

Thanks again.

Smallbones (talk) 22:32, 13 January 2012 (UTC)


 * No problem - we just need a clear dividing line - maybe everything north of Eakins Oval? Smallbones (talk) 04:06, 16 January 2012 (UTC)


 * I'll suggest leaving Fairmount Park as is for now, which will help in classifying all the B-Z's in the Smithsonian list that have yet to be classified. When it gets to be over 200 items, then we can split it off to its own article, and if necessary into smaller pieces.  Smallbones (talk) 02:32, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

They call me the fastest gun in the east
(Not really.) And history is not boring.

Happy to be of help, as always - keep up the good work, and happy editing! -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 21:46, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't know...anyone who likes Randolph Rogers can't be that boring. :-) -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 21:55, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

I have a problem
and I have come up with a non-standard way of dealing with it. I am going to pitch my solution to half a dozen long term editors whom I respect and get some feedback. I am picking you of my watchlist, not why some of you are there. I am confused, sober and looking for answers and honesty. It all starts with the Ignore all rules postulate.

Over the years I have amassed a lot of documentary materials. My great-grandfather lived in China, my grandfather was born there. Both took pictures. My grandfather took pictures as a doctor in both WWI and WWII. I have become the family archivist and I call the collection the Carpchives. In an earlier wikipedia incarnation this collection was referred to as the eekives. It was involved in a quite heated discussion here - Disputed Image  section and eventually the picture was removed. By me, as I recall. The picture in question was of my father-in-law in the US Merchant Marines during WWII. Another picture taken during the Boxer rebellion has since been removed. It was a bit funky, for sure.

There are a number of signatures that I've added to articles, some from my family archives, some I've had signed, other turn up in used books. Some of this stuff that is already in wikipedia is here:

I'm pretty sure there is more.

I also have a great collection of Corrado Parducci stuff, his "Job Book" written by him, copies of hundreds of photographs of his works in the plaster stage in his studio, a copy of his scrap book and more. I once had a project going to try and identify 75 sculptors in a photograph that was published in LIFE Magazine in 1949, located several of the artists still alive and corresponded with many children and grandchildren. Unfortunately much of that was lost in one of several dramatic computer and other failures in my life, but much remains. Then there is what I call the "my father (or grandfather) was a famous sculptor and..." syndrome. Through that I've collected a great CD filled with Rene Paul Chambellan's scrap books, as well as letter, papers, photographs and all sorts of that sort of things from a variety of other folks.

I always share. Well, almost always. So, I'd like to set up, on wikipedia, a Charpchives article or perhaps, a subpage of my user page or something, where these things could be referenced to and anyone who wanted to check up on something could contact me there.

Or is this all just some mutation of perversion of original research? Or even hubris? The thing about this material is that little of it in mine, although some of that does appear too. this is not my blog. Or should I just put it all on my blog and forget using it on wikipedia?


 * I can't tell what date the IWW card is, but it's probably pre-1923 published copyright expired. You should learn what "published" means in this technical sense and also check out the rules for pre-1923 and pre-1978 PD.  The cemetery receipt looks fine, and the signatures are ineligible for copyright.  The Eskimo note is probably non-copyright, because of its simplicity.--Wehwalt (talk) 20:37, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

Bell
That looks fine; I've tweaked the language a bit. That was not the strongest part of the article, I'm glad you've made it more solid.--Wehwalt (talk) 20:31, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm a bit concerned the image of the LBC exterior might confuse the reader.--Wehwalt (talk) 21:12, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I think that's about as much detail as can be stood, remember it has to be at about the same scale as the rest of the article. Can you rephrase to avoid the term "visual axis"?  I can guess what it means, but I'm not a city planner.  Do the sources speak to whether one of the cites became the Constitution Center?--Wehwalt (talk) 09:24, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
 * FYI, news article titles in references should only be capitalized at the start and at proper nouns.--Wehwalt (talk) 15:22, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

I was checking out
your recent edit at Benjamin Franklin Parkway and thought the picture looked familiar, so looked at it closer and it was mine. Bringing a nice feeling. Thanks, Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 21:04, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
 * That's great! SO much better than the old picture. BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 12:32, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Nice work
at William Rudolf O'Donovan. Now you are the BoringSculptureGuy too. Which is a very good thing. Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 02:57, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
 * "Boring" is not so bad. My daughters used to argue endlessly about whether I was a "dork" or a "nerd."  I think that "boring" was a component of either.  Of both.  And really, we history folks know that, "Here he goes again." is just really a reflection of other people's ignorance.  Among things. Carptrash (talk) 15:55, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

Also
(the rest - the first part of the answer is on my talk page) in the Dec 1940 edition of American Artist, one of my vintage magazines that I get when ever I can, the cover story on Edmond Amateis, mostly about his post office in Philadelphia, states, "Other works are: Pediment for the Buffalo Historical Society Building....." Carptrash (talk) 20:44, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
 * 6 years, is it? Well as you know, people can only do things in the NOW, and then, given enough time, that NOW becomes history.  Spooky, isn't it? Carptrash (talk) 02:33, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

A reminder that neither Niehaus nor Ameteis carved the pediment, or, probably, anything except a thanksgiving turkey. They make clay and then plaster models from which carvers generate what we see. Sorry, but this is a pet peeve of mine. Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 21:31, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Nice to hear that someone notices. I just posted some more at List of monuments of the Gettysburg Battlefield that possibly could go on that other list you found. And thank you for following up on my "carved" weirdness. Carptrash (talk) 21:02, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

I am not quite sure where this link will get you, but it might be to post 3 of the Pioneer Women in Sculpture that has a detail from a Geo Washington monument that is almost as peculiar. http://pioneerwomen.blogspot.com/search?updated-max=2008-02-05T18:14:00-08:00&max-results=7 Carptrash (talk) 00:14, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Congratulations
on your second Thumbs Up Award - (a record as far as I am aware) - this time for your awesome work on conceptualizing and actually using the concept on setting up and organizing the List of equestrian statues in the United States. My paltry attempts pale next to the perfection that you have produced. Perfect!! Carptrash (talk) 15:55, 21 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you. It's looking pretty good, and it's been very enjoyable. I knew next to nothing about Shrady, Neihaus, and Rohl-Smith, and now they're among my favorites. BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 16:22, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

I am trying to get photo permission for some recent works and it is slow going. No one says "No", but they won't say "yes" either. I might just continue with the classics (that is pre-1923, or at least, not post 1980 or so). Carptrash (talk) 17:29, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Philadelphia Museum of Art
We've started a GLAM (Galleries, Libraries, Archives, and Museums) project at GLAM/Philadelphia Museum of Art. This should be exciting! Please sign up or contribute however you can.

Smallbones (talk) 05:07, 9 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you very much on your very kind (and well-informed) comment. Also you might like the new Lipchitz "Government of the People" photo. Smallbones (talk) 14:07, 18 May 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm hoping you could take a look at Philadelphia_Museum_of_Art and maybe edit it down somewhat, or add another source or two! It's obvious the article needed something, but my attempt to slog straight through it is missing something.  Any help appreciated.  Smallbones (talk) 21:53, 22 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks, it looks good. Smallbones (talk) 01:55, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

I was going to award you
a third Thumbs Up Award, but fearful that it might go to your head, reluctantly opted not to. However your recent work at Heinz Warneke has changed it from my feeble attempt to get rid of red ink on that Philly art list into a real article. Hopefully I'll be able to at least try and keep up with you but real life might not co-operate. Carptrash (talk) 15:36, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
 * The story of art is best told in the images. Also,we have to either keep in mind or ignore the US's lack of Freedom of Panorama with some of these. Carptrash (talk) 15:55, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

I would not use the "J" word. I have had probably 100s of pictures removed, some by other editors and some by me in a fit of pique. I find the USA's lack of freedom of panorama to be draconian in the extreme, and there are ways to get around it. I am about to write an article about a photograph just to be able to use it. We tr to keep moving forward and if at times we have to go sideways or even back, so be it. Carptrash (talk) 17:21, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

It's been a long day
one of several in a row. The Dixon annual Fun Run was today, I was the official time keeper scribe, then the Pathetics played at the Blue Heron Brewery, so I got all the free beer that was good for me and more. Tomorrow is more of the same, with Holly's Follies replacing the Pathetics. of course none of this means anything to you, perhaps I'll explain it when I'm sober. Now about Imprimis - the link that you sent me. I get it mailed to me every month and HATE it but only stay on their mailing list to cost them $.27 a month. Hillsdale College is the home of the anti-Christ, etc. I will send you something about them from ny sacred LIFE Magazine, June 20, 1949 that will sent the table for what will follow. But enough. the fact is, from my POV we do not know how to make memorials anymore but I refuse to agree with anything printed in Imprimis as a general principle. it's sort of like Pravda used to be, only different. More later, Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 04:08, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

Bell
BTW I was in Philly last week. As I was going to TLA on South Street and staying at the Holiday Inn at 4th and Arch, I not unnaturally went to pay my respects to the Bell. Didn't go in as there was a long line but looked from the outside. One of these days I need to go back to the NPS library and see if they have a PD image of the Pavilion (1976-2003). And the Mint was closed to the public dammit I wanted to take a picture of Peter (eagle)--Wehwalt (talk) 08:34, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Re: Rudolph Schwarz
Disambiguation from what? Dru of Id (talk) 14:56, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for your quick reply. His first name is different, so no further disambiguation is necessary for him, and the Rudolf Schwarz page already by necessity exists and disambiguates the other two. I was getting frustrated looking for one which had been deleted. As it's currently unnecessary to disambiguate him, please consider moving him back. Dru of Id (talk) 20:20, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Crucifixion Diptych
Its actually quite close to GA, if you are interested. A small amount of work needed, nothing major. I saw some random person nomed it there last week. I found a few sources recently, just havnt gotten round to it yet. Anyway. Ceoil (talk) 21:49, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Two things - I'd move the other crucifixions gallery to the foot of the page. I think it breaks the flow of the article, and its not exactly central to the discussion. Second, I agree that the provedence section should be para rather than bullet points. Again, its a preference, but bullet points are abrupt and bare, and often with provedence as you dig into it, a story reveals itself. Not saying that necessarly here...to be more honest, bullet points are for powerpoint ;) It just doesnt look right with such a relatively polished article. I'll do the conversion if your not opposed. Anyway, keep up the good work, and best of luck with the GA. Ceoil (talk) 19:10, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
 * You should spin out the material on the Escorial Crucifixion into a seperate article. I have a few sources, if your up for it. Ceoil (talk) 12:48, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

Love to get your reaction
Please see Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Register_of_Historic_Places Maybe my talkpage would be the best place to respond

Smallbones( smalltalk ) 03:33, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

GLAM: Philadelphia Museum of Art update
Hi GLAM PMA folks! I wanted to update you about some recent events related to our fantastic Museum. I met Jessica Milby, PMA Collections Information Project Manager, at Wikimania in July. Jessica was looking for ways to improve articles on Wikipedia about the Museum and its artists/collections. We followed up a few weeks later at the Perelman Building in downtown Philadelphia where we discussed ways to increase participation in the GLAM/PMA project.
 * The first idea is to do some outreach to the GLAM:PMA project members, including mass messages updating you all about plans and, seeking feedback about new ideas, and hearing your thoughts about what's in the works.
 * The next step is a drive to improve the main Philadelphia Museum of Art article. The article is currently 'B-Class', but Jessica was confident that with the abundance of high quality sources about the Museum that it could be improved even further.  Jessica recommended this extensive source from the Museum's website.
 * Another idea that came out of the meeting was a project within the Museum to assess which PMA-related topics are missing articles on Wikipedia.
 * One of Jessica's ideas is to have the knowledgeable curators of the Museum provide recommended reading lists for PMA-related articles. That should be a great first step to guiding editors towards the information they need to expand and improve that content.
 * Also raised for discussion were some ideas about how to engage the broader community. There is interest in setting up a tour/edit-a-thon, but this remains in the preliminary stage.  Would you be interested in participating in such an event?
 * We have new stats! These 24 articles are all under the PMA project.  I compiled the last 90-day page views and then annualized the results.  PMA-related articles get almost 800,000 view per year!

It's exciting to have a partner in Jessica Milby and there should be a lot of good work coming out the collaboration within the next 3-6 months. Please stop by the GLAM/PMA project page and leave your thoughts. What ideas do you have? How can we move forward on the above projects? I Hope you're all well. Cheers! Ocaasi 19:05, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

You're a great editor
Hey, I came across an article you had improved Theophilus Parsons Chandler, Jr. and took a look at your contributions. I hadn't seen you around the encyclopedia before since you do all of your work in the article mainspace, where it should be. Keep up the great work and thanks for what you've done! Ryan Vesey 18:26, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Jacob's Creek Bridge
Are you sure that that's a US route, and not a state route? I've never heard of a federal route with four digits. - Denimadept (talk) 02:20, 4 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I agreed, so I went to Google to find the location, and found it right off. Please reply HERE, as per the instructions I put on my talk page.  Thanks. - Denimadept (talk) 02:36, 4 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for adding the coordinates and the info box. They dress it up nicely. -- BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 02:50, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Gibraltar and Marian Cruger Coffin articles in progress related to one of yours
Hi, i found my way to your article on architects DeArmond, Ashmead & Bickley. I've begun developing Gibraltar and Marian Cruger Coffin articles in userspace so far, and am very happy to find your article on D A & B, which includes a great masters thesis reference. Thanks! If you'd like to help develop these two articles-in-progress, i would very much welcome that. I was hoping for a DYK on the main page, highlighting yet another Gibraltar, when they're ready. Either way, thanks already! cheers, -- do ncr  am  04:16, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Just saying hello
I've noticed you fixing the cats on some of my photos (go for it) and have been meaning to say hello. I may be getting back to the Philly Public Art list sometime. And I'm leaving you with a pic.

Smallbones( smalltalk ) 04:37, 9 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the kind words. As always, your photos are wonderful and extremely useful. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 16:21, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

DThomsen8 (talk) 13:43, 16 December 2012 (UTC)== Proposed deletion of Walter S. Franklin (PRR) ==

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 * == Presidents of the Pennsylvania Railroad were notable. ==

I removed the deletion notice, I object to deletion, and say that all presidents of the Pennsylvania Railroad were notable. User:BoringHistoryGuy User talk:BoringHistoryGuy and I will add inline citations for this notable president of the Pennsylvania Railroad.


 * I posted that notice, and I will join you in documenting this notable president.--DThomsen8 (talk) 13:43, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

Merry Christmas


Smallbones( smalltalk ) 01:17, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

ho ho ho
I do believe that this card explains a lot of the hitherto misunderstood and even ignored origins of a variety of Christmas stories. I am considering writing an article about the theology involved but am having a difficult time with sources. Oh well, have a good one, it does appear that we have made it through the worst of 2012, which is a great start to 2013 Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 16:37, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Contributing structure
Nice article. I added a modest infobox at Norfolk Public Library for a contributing building to the Norfolk Historic District. I love the Carol M. Highsmith photo and don't want to crowd it. The NRHP nomination form has about 3 paragraphs on the library. I think the article title might have to be changed to Norfolk Public Library (Connecticut) as there are several Norfolks around.

Happy New Year.

Smallbones( smalltalk ) 16:22, 31 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Got your message. I put an NRHP tag on the talk page, the start rating is conservative.  Smallbones( smalltalk ) 20:22, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

the fact is
I could a lot worse than following someone who spends New Years Eve editing wikipedia. I'd be like a dog chasing his own tail. Carptrash (talk) 02:54, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
 * However, I have been trying (in vain) to track down the sculptor for the Taunton monument, until I discovered this:
 * " After leaving Batterson, Keller won competitions for a monument in Taunton, Massachusetts, in 1874 (never executed),"

I'll race to there.Carptrash (talk) 02:58, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

So
Carl H. Conrads already exists as Carl Conrads - an article I think I did. I was going to put in a redirect until I saw the Notability tag, which pissed me off. Probably best to begin 2013 on a pleasant note, so I think I'll ignore it. Or not. Carptrash (talk) 00:43, 2 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I just discovered that, too. I'll do the redirect. BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 00:47, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I tried & failed, so, once again, you're a better man than I Gunga Din.  Good find & move on the picture too. Carptrash (talk) 00:49, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Just lucky (this time). The National Monument to the Forefathers is astounding! I remember I saw it as a 10-year-old, and just thought it was BIG. BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 01:13, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

Looks as if we have managed to pull Carl out of the trashcan of history (ie. tagged as "Not Notable") and turned him into a major dude. Feels good, a nice way to start off '13. Carptrash (talk) 17:56, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Great, couldn't have happened to a nicer guy.
 * Do you have a feel for exactly what his contribution was to the U.S. Soldier statue at Antietam National Cemetery? I get conflicting info, including the National Park Service, who doesn't mention him (or George Keller). Obviously, a 21-foot granite statue assembled from more than a dozen pieces needs more than one sculptor. I didn't recognize that it was an attraction at the 1876 Centennial under the name "The American Volunteer." How much is Conrads and how much Pollette? (I assume the base was designed by Keller.) BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 18:08, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
 * First of all, "best known as one of the sculptors for the National Monument to the Forefathers." was probably my words back whenever. We like change.  Secondly, the process for sculpture typically is that a "fine art sculptor" (in this case Conrads) makes  the statue in clay.  In the best of cases, life sized.  Sometimes half sized or even smaller. A plaster version is made from this which is sent to the carver, in this case, Pollette, who copies it as exactly as is possible.  If he deviates much his reputation will suffer.  The history of sculpture for the last few hundred years can be seen as the history of sculptors whining about what carvers have done to their masterpieces.   This is what made the Piccirilli Brothers so loved.  They did good work.  I got my info on the Antietam work from a book about Civil War monuments in Maryland (I think the exact reference is in there somewhere, I can look it up again - I have a listing of all the references of my books that I've used, broken down in categories, in this case, by state.  Soderberg, Susan Cooke, ‘’Lest We Forget: A Guide to Civil War Monuments in Maryland’’, White Mane Publishing Co., Inc., Shippensburg PA,  1995 pp. 93-94)  It mentions all these guys, Keller, Conrads and even Pollette, who she refers to as "the stonemason who carved the statue."
 * I loved that picture. Boy did it give a sense of scale.  Freaked me out.  I had no idea it was that big.  But, size counts.  Meanwhile, time to get ready for the  -10∘(real American degrees, not those wimpy Eurodegrees)  that we have been promised tonight. While I do believe in global warming, not tonight.  Carptrash (talk) 04:02, 3 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Tweren't your words. SummerPhD tried to dress up the lede back in October (his only entry on Conrads).
 * David F. Ransom has done massive work on Conrads/Keller/Batterson for the Connecticut Historical Society. Most of my footnotes go back to him. He was the one who specifically identified Conrads as the sculptor of Morality and the Embarkation plaque at the National Monument to the Founding Fathers. Do you know if any of the other 3 seated figures and 3 plaques are by Conrads? Take a look at the stereoscopic image in the gallery. I guess Conrads delivered his works on time.
 * I feel myself becoming obsessed by the American Volunteer statue. I have plenty of books on the 1876 Centennial which, with Ransom's online work, should give me enough to start its own wiki-article.
 * Stay warm. Here, it should be a balmy 20∘. BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 04:51, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

If I had an address I could scan my two pages on the Volunteer - might help you get the article off the ground. Are you close enough so that you can visit it? As for the Founding Fathers, I don't have much, but I'm guessing William Rimmer did a figure or two. Some of the other guys mentioned. James Mahoney, is one, I can find nothing on, so might well be carvers. I believe that Summer PhD is a she, though with all this stuff, could be wrong. Carptrash (talk) 15:56, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

I just made a vain
(and here we need to look at the two meanings of "vain" because I fear that both in some way apply) attempt to put Conrads Civil War monuments in a chart. And I got close. But. . ... no cigar. The chart ended up at the bottom of the article and I know that there is a better way to do the images. So, if you understand that stuff and want a handful of easy edits. . .... check it out. I would but I am dinner bound. Carptrash (talk) 00:45, 5 January 2013 (UTC)


 * The chart is looking good. I don't know a better way to do it. (I got saved twice on format problems on The American Volunteer.)
 * I live about 3 hours from Antietam, and toyed with the idea of going there for the sesquicentennial in September. Now I really wish I had.
 * It's odd that SIRIS has so little about The American Volunteer, or Soldier as they generically list it. Like Leutze's Washington Crossing the Delaware in painting, I suspect that it may have been the most famous American statue in the popular mind from 1876 to the advent of Saint Gaudens in the 1880s. (My apologies, Nydia and Ruth.) BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 16:06, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
 * You are a machine. In any medium. Carptrash (talk) 02:31, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

South Wayne Historic District (Wayne, Pennsylvania)
Finally made it back to Wayne, PA - this time to the South Wayne HD. Still several pix to upload, but the Will Prices and Trumbauers should be all uploaded. See

Smallbones( smalltalk ) 04:47, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

Hi!
HI! I like your work. I hope you will work with Smallbones on the event on 2/23 at the library.--DThomsen8 (talk) 14:10, 25 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Can you do more.--DThomsen8 (talk) 23:10, 28 January 2013 (UTC)


 * I look on Wikipedia as an avocation. When I know a good deal about a subject or start to get obsessed, I'll research the hell out of it and create or contribute to an article. If it feels like an assignment, it's no fun. Even so, almost all the art and architecture articles have a tie back to Philadelphia. BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 18:19, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I did not make myself clear. I was hoping that you and Smallbones and maybe Pharos would get a FLP event on 2/23 at 2:30 but it looks doubtful now. --DThomsen8 (talk) 14:23, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

Just found your Dolobran
but I can't find it on the NRHP. Yes, I've seen the plaque on 2 videos. Take a look at the video format at Kuerner Farm, same format at The Three Philosophers. I was looking to do something more with this and ran into Dolobran. Let me know if you know anything more about the NRHP designation. Maybe a different name? historic district? Smallbones( smalltalk ) 19:41, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Should be in Montgomery County, maybe part of the Mill Creek Historic District (Bryn Mawr and Gladwyne, Pennsylvania) which I had terrible trouble figuring out its borders. Did you get pix? If not HABS might be good enough!  Smallbones( smalltalk ) 20:01, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Muhlenberg Greene Architects
We are trying to correct many erroneous references to Muhlenberg Brothers merging with Muhlenberg Greene Architects in 1935. It seems you have edited some of these posts, and I just wanted to clarify that these are NOT the same firm, and have never merged. Please email me at [mailto:laurenv@mgarchitects-ltd.com?subject=Wikipedia Lauren V] for more information on the history of our firm, and the common misconception that we are the same firm as Muhlenberg Brothers. Thanks! Lvansteenvoort (talk) 17:26, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

Benjamin Randolph article
Hi, I just had a look at your recently-created Benjamin Randolph article, it looks great! I am starting the process of creating an article for another Benjamin Randolph, in this case Benjamin F. Randolph. Since I haven't put the article up yet and you appear to be more experienced in wiki standards, I thought I would check in with you about disambiguation. It looks like we could A) create a disambiguation page with links to each article, B) have a cross-link on each page to the other, C) do both, or D) do nothing.

To make matters worse, there is another Benjamin F. Randolph who looks notable enough for wiki purposes. I currently have no plans to create an article for the second (third?) Benjamin Randolph, but someone else might. Anyhow, let me know how you'd like to proceed and I'll follow your lead. It'll be a few days before the article is ready anyhow, and I'll put it in my sandbox before releasing it into the wild, so no hurry on my end. Thanks, and once it's up suggestions for improvement are welcome -- I'd love to get my article up to the quality of the current Benjamin Randolph. Dictioneer (talk) 23:50, 19 May 2013 (UTC) ps: feel free to reply here or on my talk page.


 * Thanks for your reply and your renaming of the page. I haven't been able to come up with a 1-word parenthetical category, as he did a number of things (minister, educator, editor, etc.) that was common for that era. I've put the infobox / introductory paragraohs in my sandbox, so if you want to have a look and make a suggestion, please feel free. For now, I am thinking that I will go with Benjamin F. Randolph for my page name so that we won't be in direct conflict but we'll show up together in search results and people can click on your cabinet maker if he's the one they're looking for.


 * On a related note, while I was reading your article and clicking through, I noticed that the Philadelphia Museum of Art has a locket with an image of your Benjamin Randolph. I _think_ since it's to show what he looked like, not the locket itself you'd have a slam-dunk fair use case for a lo-res image. If you already know about the image but don't want the bureaucratic hassle, I'm happy to upload to wikimedia commons and see if I can get it passed. If you have some hard-won experience indicating this will be a nightmare that I don't want to mess with, speak up now! :)


 * In any case, I think we can slip past the disambig page for now with your renaming and my use of the middle initial. Let me know if you feel otherwise, and thanks very much for your speedy accommodation. Dictioneer (talk) 21:46, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

William Free
Philadelphia architect William Free designed Lucy the Elephant, that's all I know. Did he do anything else? Is he worth an article? Smallbones( smalltalk ) 22:15, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

R. Brognard Okie
No worries. That's actually a pretty common error, which I see being made on here at least a few times a week by a huge variety of people — we've got such a jumbled variety of tags whose format is and ones whose format is, so it's an easy mistake to make (even if fixing it does sometimes drive me nuts :-) and you're far from being the first or the last person ever to have trouble with it. Bearcat (talk) 20:35, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

2013 Philadelphia Wiki-Picnic: Saturday, June 22
--DThomsen8 (talk) 20:36, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

The idle mind is the devil's playground
See Commons:Category:Idlewild (Media, Pennsylvania)  Smallbones( smalltalk ) 00:36, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
 * See Idlewild (Media, Pennsylvania) (maybe half done) with full nomination linked. Additions, sources,copyediting, etc. appreciated.  Smallbones( smalltalk ) 18:48, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Julian Abele
Hello. Thanks for your message on the Julian Abele article. If Abele never attended or graduated from Ecole des Beaux Arts then someone ought to tell the University of Pennsylvania archives and their biography (presumably from biographical archives). Their biography which was the referenced point says Abele DID attend and graduate from l'Ecole des Beaux Arts. I read it in many places before putting it in the article. SO, I'm glad you cited sources in the seeming controversy in the article, citable sources saying he didn't attend or graduate from it, and that there's a controversy. One would think the Ecole des Beaux Arts would say if he attended and graduated. I'll be looking more into it. Thanks. --- (Bob) Wikiklrsc (talk) 02:32, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

Greetings. Thanks for your kind message on my talk page. It does seem rather a conundrum, Abele and the Ecole des Beaux Arts. I defer to you but I'll try to do some more digging -- but I don't think I can contribute much on it ultimately. Best wishes and many thanks. --- (Bob) Wikiklrsc (talk) 01:51, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

8 Balfour Circle, Lansdowne
I was at the Henry Albertson Subdivision Historic District today. The NRHP nom says this house is believed to be by FF, but there is no documentation. The chimney is right (I have a close-up if you'd like to see it), The porch entrance has the same shed type roof as Idlewild. There is a touch of chaos in all the roofs and windows. Too bad the sun and trees didn't cooperate with my camera. Whadaya think?

BTW, please check out the new gallery format at the article. Whadaya think? Smallbones( smalltalk ) 01:40, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

No problem!
Thanks for the thanks! That was nce of you. TiMike (talk) 01:57, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

Clement Conger
hi, nice image; however this one might be more on topic (dont know if state dept site = PDgov, but works for me)  98.163.68.34 (talk) 17:30, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Trumbauer?
I took some pix in Rose Valley today and talked to the owner of this house. She says it was lived in by the architect who she believes designed the Philadelphia Museum of Art, but forgot his name. I figure that could be any of about 5 people, but Trumbauer is the obvious choice from the style. I can't find anything saying he lived in Rose Valley though. Other pix File:Possum Hollow Garage Rose Valley PA.JPG and File:Possum Hollow detail Rose Valley PA.JPG. I can probably get good info at the Wallingford Library, but if you recognize it, please let me know. Smallbones( smalltalk ) 04:38, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

Self portrait
The GLAM Cafe thing (see above) turned out to be pretty good. I also uploaded a few new pix at Commons:Category:Fisher Fine Arts Library. I might do a semi-video such as File:Stroll on Beach Ave.webm. Any suggestions on which pix to include and freely licensed music would be appreciated. Smallbones( smalltalk ) 21:08, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

Leadlight
What exquisite examples! I really enjoyed seeing them.

I a always delighted, when I find myself in a country town somewhere in New South Wales where there has once been a really good leadlighter. You see the evidence of their work remaining above modern shop windows, in hotels and early 19th-century houses. Where I live now, there was once leadlighter who used the (uncommon) method of setting diamond panes at slight angles to each other, so that they wink in all lights when seen externally. Amandajm (talk) 01:33, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

My goodness
but you are an early bird. Carptrash (talk) 14:10, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Although not definitive, Martin in Confederate Monuments at Gettysburg (vol 1) states of the two figures, "One lies fallen on the left while on the right the other strains to wield his gun a club." To me this suggests that both fugu\res are Mississippi men. Carptrash (talk) 18:13, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Craven, in The Sculpture at Gettysburg is more to the point, writing, "One loyal son has already fallen, mortally wounded, while another stand over him, deserting neither his comrade nor his position, he guards his friend . . . . . ." Carptrash (talk) 18:20, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Hawthorne's Gettysburg: Stories of Men aden Monuments has a slightly different take, for although both men are Mississippians, one is "using his musket as a club, defends the fallen flag" not his fallen comrade. Art.  What are we supposed to think" Carptrash (talk) 18:35, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

You are a machine!Carptrash (talk) 20:18, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, I like the new tripartite arrangement, I believe that the 7 part behemoth was my invention. So I love your imptovements, tho still find my pic of Mississippi more compelling. Carptrash (talk) 23:46, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

I am reluctant
to start slash and burning at the monuments list, but there is a Marland unit monument in the Confederate section, and I believe that Maryland never quit the Union - unless there is more to the story. Carptrash (talk) 21:24, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Good catch - then CSA it is. Carptrash (talk) 15:48, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
 * But they had units on both sides. Smallbones( smalltalk ) 18:15, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

Owner or landscaping style?
I thought you might be interested in this pic (not my photo) of the Lotta Crabtree House, in Morris County, NJ, aka "Attol Tryst". Smallbones( smalltalk ) 18:15, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

Are you interested in this DAM pic?
It's in Wilmington. Smallbones( smalltalk ) 01:55, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Your recent edit
at Walker Hancock could use a reference. Carptrash (talk) 17:22, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks, though if I were Hancock, even dead, I'd want Matt Damon rather than John Goodman to play me. I am at the library and will check the movie out. Einar 209.180.130.23 (talk) 20:21, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

HA !!
Enough said. Carptrash (talk) 21:06, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
 * No,no I was referring to your fountain work.Carptrash (talk) 21:22, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
 * 1/2 Icelander. 1/2 from Pueblo, Colorado.  And yes, that suicide stuff is a genetic draw to 20 hours of darkness folks. Carptrash (talk) 21:42, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

I'd consider the trip. You should brush up on your Carl Milles first, of course. Carptrash (talk) 22:06, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Volvo is good, our's just died after 200,000 + miles. I drive a Subaru, to honor, as my UAW mates used to say, Pearl Harbor. Meanwhile I am torn between looking for fountains on wikipedia or writing articles about them.  Since I am not yet set up to scan slides (remember those days?) I think I'll stick to mining.  22:22, 23 October 2014 (UTC)Carptrash (talk)

I'd like to table your motion. Well. I'd like YOU to table the motion. So to speak. I started the list to include the ones in the gallery so that's a source of pictures for many of them. Carptrash (talk) 16:59, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
 * GREAT!  I'm going to work on new fountain stubs. - Well Mom just woke up so . . . . . . ......................?     Carptrash (talk) 17:32, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
 * PS. Could you please have different fields for "sculptor" and "architect/designer" ? Carptrash (talk) 17:34, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Looks super, a huge improvement. though I obviously need to have my pictures ready before adding new ones, or . . . . .......     .Carptrash (talk) 19:58, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

I really like the Notes as being a place to stash a few addition pictures. How many can be squeezed in? Carptrash (talk) 21:40, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
 * You are my hero. For real.  You do the dirty in-the-trenches sort of work that makes wikipedia the industry standard of websites and actually seem to enjoy it.  Carptrash (talk) 21:48, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
 * And might you be further satisfied figuring out what to do with this?  And perhaps some categories for this Horace H. Rackham Memorial Fountain and helping me decide if we need a general category Fountains ?
 * Don't you . . . ...sleep? . . . .... eat? . . .. . .... other stuff the rest of us do? Carptrash (talk) 17:16, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

Some of the problems I have are (1) tipping my hand too early to you - as in the Thatcher fountain because (2) I am not set up yet to scan slides and I want to use my pictures (pride, hubris or something else?). My plan, part of it, for today is hooking up my scanner and getting that going. As John and Paul once said, We can work it out. For example, I just found the Bagley fountain here and though, "I have a better picture than that - but where?" Since moving to AZ all my books, pictures etc have been very effectively shuffled, some are still in unmarked boxes etc. But life goes on and you have created a marvelous display for our fountains. Carptrash (talk) 17:40, 25 October 2014 (UTC)
 * No, don't back off. I'm going to write another article so won't be doing too much here.  There.  You know. Carptrash (talk) 17:46, 25 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, Alexander Stirling Calder. Do you think that we should be including his drinking fountain in our History article??  Also, I looked at the history if his article, I started it, you showed up maybe 2 years later then in force a year after that.  Ah, those were the days my friend . . . . . . . .......  PS Should we drop the word "History" from the American fountains article?  I think Yes, but . . . . .....?  Carptrash (talk) 06:10, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

Fountains of New Orleans
and Isidore Konti (whose article, it turns out, I started. I mention this because no one else would care). The Sculpture of Isidore Konti 1862-1938, (The Hudson River Museum, 1975) states on number 76, "At there request of the Hymans family, two identical fountains and wadding pools were created, the first near the Magazine Street entrance to Audubon Park and the second in the City Park, New Orleans." Konti has another fountain in Audubon Park, the Gumbell Memorial Fountain, (1919) located hear the Charles Street entrance. And now back to my bathroom-overflowed-and-filled-the-house-with-water incident. This is more fun. Carptrash (talk) 21:49, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

thanks
There's a bit of a story with the Thatcher fountain pics - they were 35mm slides that I could not scan because my slide scanner was too old, software no longer available, etc. So I finally hooked it up to an old laptop, scanned 'em, moved then to this computer and they were all dusty, so I went out and got a can of spray air and pfffftzed them off, scanned them again and they came out pretty good. Pretty well? Now if I could just find my shots of the Russell Alger Fountain. . . . . .................... Carptrash (talk) 08:00, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
 * PS . . .thanks too for cleaning up and dealing with my categories from the Thatcher article. I left a mess of red links and now it is all true blue.  Life is good, Carptrash (talk)

Chisel in whose hand? Carptrash (talk) 01:14, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Nude and lewd. Carptrash (talk) 06:21, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
 * No, not sure what R. Tait McKenzie work and remember, 100 years ago we hadn't had Freud  to explain what now seems obvious. Carptrash (talk) 14:48, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Where did you sent to (them)?? eeklon at yahoo etc ? Carptrash (talk) 16:45, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
 * My Yahoo is "experiencing technical difficulties" right now so I can't access my email now. Sigh.  Carptrash (talk) 18:39, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

Well done
on the Walker Hancock fountain. After watching The Monuments Men I watched Burt Lancaster in The Train, also about Nazis stealing (well, trying) art. it's a rather enjoyable ;lte b/w flick. Carptrash (talk) 04:50, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

And speaking of
drinking fountains, do you have (notice the subtle change of course here) access to JSTOR through wikipedia or anywhere else? I am searching for "fountain" and am finding interesting stuff (largely as of yet unread) by Lorado Taft as well as several articles on drinking fountains, that you might (or might not) enjoy. Just a thought, Carptrash (talk) 16:48, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
 * JSTOR gives out "free wikipedia" access to their stuff, I applied sometime ago and got in and I notice somewhere that they are doing 100 more "scholarships" ll try to find it, you try to find it and researchers that we are, one of us should succeed. Carptrash (talk) 19:38, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Try tis place. []  Carptrash (talk) 19:43, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

I just created
Fountain of the Centaurs but don't have time to post pics. Don't panic and look elsewhere, please. Carptrash (talk) 23:12, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

In a desperate attempt
to create a chart myself, I have run into at least two problems at Spirit of the American Doughboy. One is that the chart does not want (or more likely, I am somehow telling to NOT) want to appear in the Locations section created just for that. The other is that I'd like the chart to extend from side to side, and it won't. Any suggestions? Carptrash (talk) 17:23, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, I see it, but how do I get it to go where I thought I'd put it? 17:48, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Though you walk amongst us mortals like any other . . . . . . . . . . . . . ........................  Carptrash (talk)

Perhaps
we need to thrash out this so-called alphabetical order thing. I favor alphabetizing by first name (the Icelandic way) when that is the name of the fountain in our article. Failing that, do a James Brown Memorial Fountain|Brown Memorial Fountain in our chart because it really (opinion) does not make sense as it is. Go ahead, beg to differ! Carptrash (talk) 01:50, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
 * well if I were God it would be Dupont Memorial Fountain. Carptrash (talk) 15:02, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, I think that we have advanced our plot to a good spot  .   .   .  .  .  .  .  . . . . . . . . . . . . . ............ except for FDR, who (whom ?) I am tempted (defined as "That which it feels good to give in to") to move to F.  Would that ruin your happy ending ? Carptrash (talk) 18:37, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

Okay dude
we can all do the easy stuff, but what are we going to do about the United Stats section of [|this] article ??? Carptrash (talk)

List of municipalities in Pennsylvania
The photos do seems to be working ok. The potential problem is that a list this big is unusable, but that doesn't seem to be the case for now. ~300 is the biggest list I've worked with and this is 2500+!

I've been selecting the most interesting pix for the most interesting places - so of course there are several biases at work here. One of my biases is that I don't like pictures of signs - except perhaps keystone markers. Feel free to counter my biases!

This is a long-term project, but one possibility is to get a statewide photo hunt ala WLM to make sure that every city, town, township, (and perhaps every village, hamlet, and census designated place in PA that has an article) has a pic.

Smallbones( smalltalk ) 13:11, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

a new issue
at least for me. I'm working on our fountains and found the picture that I want for a section not yet posted, but it is in flickr. [:https://www.flickr.com/photos/lblanchard/2502345577/] The photographer has placed the rights in creative commons, the fountain is from 1876 (Philly Centennial Expo - your neck of the woods) so no copyright issue there. Come to think of it, there probably should be an article about this fountain. But I don't know how to get the picture from flickr to wikipedia. I have seen where folks have done it, but not how. Any ideas besides "Punt ?" Carptrash (talk) 01:18, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
 * "Fine" said the mama hen, "then I'll do it my self!" Carptrash (talk) 18:18, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Well, I got something up at Margaret Foley and am working on an article about the fountain because . . . ...... you know why because. Carptrash (talk) 19:01, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

Thank you (again)
for cleaning up after me. It seems that in my rush (intended) to get on with Philadelphia fountains I (as the politicians are fond of saying) misspoke. However on a more upbeat note, after adding at least 13 book cases - many taller than me, and I'm tall - to Mom's little condo, I just finished putting the last of my books away. the second to last box included my "Fountains" collection (or at leaf Part 2 of it) including a nifty little work called "Fountains of Philadelphia; A Guide" by McClelland. Were I a local, a photo field trip would definitely be in the works. But not, we understand, The Water Works. Carptrash (talk) 02:55, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
 * It seems that part of what Eakins picked up was the scandal surrounding Rush's use of a live, nude model for your nymph. I'd like to look at his paintings on the subject but can't locate my eakins books, thought I am pretty sure I have a couple.  Oh will, it will be findable on the web somewhere. Carptrash (talk) 15:45, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
 * With all due respect to your friend, I still find that history by winks, rumors, gossip and innuendo is more . . . . ..... fun. Carptrash (talk) 17:36, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
 * And speaking of fun, have we talked about this Philly art story ? Carptrash (talk) 21:59, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

So here is a talking point about the picture to try out at lunch. Is the woman at the far left, third row from the front, with a cape and beret Malvina Hoffman ? She was very much around then, but did not exhibit at the Show, so should not be in the picture. I did contact PMA perhaps 15 years ago and they sent me duplicates of some original material that they had, which was very nice of them, but they had no list, that they could find, of who is in the picture. Carptrash (talk) 20:34, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

May we recommend
If Abele and Trumbauer interest you, check out Widener Library. EEng (talk) 16:59, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

Daniel Pabst
I suggest you nominate and process this for GA status. After that is achieved (and I think that won't be all that hard, as its a really great article), it can then be nominated for WP:DYK. Just a thought. merry Christmas. 7&amp;6=thirteen (☎) 21:37, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Not only don't I mind, I am pleased that you built on the source I found I wish we could get permission to put it directly into the article, as visually it is an interesting historical piece. Keep up the good work! 7&amp;6=thirteen (☎) 18:39, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

Thank you and Merry Christmas and Happy New year!
Danny says hello. I'm not much at interiors, but a trip is always fun (unless I'm driving). Smallbones( smalltalk ) 04:36, 24 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Good. I prefer to drive.
 * There are very few interior images of "Glenview" online. It's possible that they don't allow photography. But you will love the craftsmanship. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 04:41, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I think I'll just tag along with these well chosen sentiments. Thanks for the X-mas Eve note.  Christmas day for me is Mom and my brother Ragnar, Gabe (this man's best friend) and later, Cosmo, my bro's rather unsocial dog who will be banished from his house while they have company. and, of course, some quality time with List of United States post office murals.  Life is good.  Einar, ala Carptrash (talk) 16:47, 25 December 2014 (UTC)=
 * A wiki-friend from Hawaii just sent me seasonal greetings which I pass on to you and any friendly stalkers that I have not had the pleasure of meeting. Aloha to you and yours. ```Buster Seven   Talk  18:47, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

T.P. Chandler images
Have you seen this page? Chandler died in 1928, so the majority of them date from before 1923 and would nominally be public domain, however if they weren't published before then, the copyright held by the institutions they came from would be in effect from the date they published them. All of which means that I'm not certain any of them are free. I think one non-free could be uploaded and used under the NFCC rules, but (obviously) only here and not on Commons. What do you think? BMK (talk) 23:39, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
 * There's also this on Find-A-Grave, with no provenance. BMK (talk) 23:41, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
 * You could try asking one of your friends at the Atheneaum if they would license the photo under CC, I've had some success doing that (not with the Atheneum, but with a sculptor of a statue in my hometown, and with images from Flickr that weren't appropriately licensed already). BMK (talk) 02:06, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

Fairholme pic
You might be interested in this I found on Flickr. Please check my correction for tilt and for Rogers' first name.

Smallbones( smalltalk ) 16:09, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

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Lindenshade pix via HABS
Just wanted to be sure you've seen Commons:Category:Lindenshade.

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Smallbones( smalltalk ) 17:34, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

We need to talk
So let me ask you, do you believe that any Gothic Revival structure on a college campus is Collegiate Gothic? I have been thinking, "No", but I am wondering now if I am just being mulish? In particular the chapels at Princeton and Duke but also that thing at Pittsburgh? I have yet to find a good architectural history definition of the style. I have always had the idea that the style was more tied to Tudor Gothic than the French perpendicular, but. . . .... is it possible. . . . . .that. . . . . I. . . . . . .am. . . . . . . . . . . . .wrong? Carptrash (talk) 16:02, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the Temple Gold Medal article
At 113 edits, it was the 7th most actively edited newly created article this week—and that's all you. Thanks for putting that together! ParkerHiggins ( talk contribs ) 17:02, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

October 15
Please see Meetup/Philadelphia/Women in Architecture for an editathon held at Philadelphia Center for Architecture (article needs work). Smallbones( smalltalk ) 17:47, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

And
just when I start to believe that I am kicking butt on the Tallest Statues you come along and really raise the bar. On second thought, you just lowered the bar, so to speak. Still, well done. Carptrash (talk) 21:47, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Carptrash Thanks. I was about to add Lee Lawrie's SOWER on the Nebraska Capitol, but thought you might enjoy doing the honors. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 22:16, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Depends on Mom (aka Yo Yo Ma) who sounds about ready to get up. Carptrash (talk) 23:48, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
 * And I got a call from Violet yesterday saying, "How soon can you get here, I am off to Emergency." I was out of the door in 15 minutes, takig my dog but little else.  I am now in embudo nm and will not be doing much on line.  I can't even access my email.

Cherry Street (Philadelphia)
Is Cherry Street (Philadelphia) notable? Someone made it into a redirect. What do you think?--DThomsen8 (talk) 01:01, 19 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Dthomsen8, Interesting question. My gut reaction would be, No. It's not a major street. It's not continuous through Center City. It's wasn't one of Penn's original streets. One could try to build an article around the Friends' Meeting House and PAFA, but what else? The Wikimedia Commons page makes sense for organizing images, but for an article, I also see its notability as dubious. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 12:09, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

We need to talk.
Wikipedia defines statue as:


 * "A statue is a sculpture representing one or more people or animals (including abstract concepts allegorically represented as people or animals), normally full-length, as opposed to a bust, and at least close to life-size, or larger."

What this means is that works such as Chicago Picasso and Flamingo (sculpture) would qualify. However before taking this perhaps drastic step I thought I’d discuss it with you because, we have a relationship; we all about things. Carptrash (talk) 18:52, 31 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Carptrash Happy Halloween! I don't know how to solve this. The international List of statues by height includes works such as the faces on Mount Rushmore and the Praying Hands at Oral Roberts University. I'm not eager to add them to the U.S. list, but maybe they do belong. "Body parts" section? == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 19:10, 31 October 2015 (UTC)


 * And if we do body parts then what do we do with Ypsilanti Water Tower? There are, as the song says, "more questions than answers." Will send, maybe, a picture of my costume this year, a dog catcher at the local dog park club - in about an hour or so. Carptrash (talk) 20:44, 31 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Carptrash You will do ANYTHING to slip in phallic architecture!
 * I was looking at the Rocky and Bullwinkle statue in Los Angeles. It has a funny story: it was put up as a parody of the revolving cowgirl-in-a-bathing-suit in front of the hotel across the street. Bullwinkle also revolved once, but it's a 14-ft statue on a 6-ft base, not a 20-ft statue.
 * BTW, I went thru your list of songs, and knew 93 out of 100. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 01:21, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

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Et tu


I told him you’d been good, made lots of useful edits, did not engage in, but fought against vandalism, were always willing to come to the aid of a friend, were a downright upright editor who had generally made wikipedia a better place in 2015 than you found it in 2014.

He told me he’d keep it in mind.

Carptrash (talk) 18:05, 23 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Carptrash. Very well done! Me, I just grabbed someone else's template. It has been interesting to look back on the articles I worked on over the past year, and the people who contributed to them. Maybe this warmth I'm feeling is Christmas spirit? == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 18:15, 23 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Or, speaking from personal experience, the Egg nog and rum? Carptrash (talk) 19:39, 23 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Carptrash. Not rum, Jack Daniel's! It makes everything taste better. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 23:37, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Well okay, I am limited to what is in my liquor cabinet, which is not very deep. anyway I have a long history with the demon rum going back almost to the Stone Age. Carptrash (talk) 21:03, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

Season's greetings


My best wishes to you and yours in this holiday season and in the year ahead. Finetooth (talk) 18:08, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

A wreath for you!

 * If you haven't already seen a copy, you might be interested in an issue of the Germantown Crier (Vol 63 No. 2 Fall 2013) dedicated to the Coates' (but dealt with separately). The piece about EH Coates (7pp) is entitled, "The Man Who Fired Thomas Eakins." Both articles are written by Gordon Howard of the Germantown Historical Society. Londonjackbooks (talk) 00:08, 24 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Re: Hamilton portrait of Mrs. Coates: I am also curious about Mrs. Coates' portrait, and would love to view it. Back when I maintained a website on Mrs. Coates, I found/recorded the following: The New York Times reports (18 May 1912) that Mr. and Mrs. Coates are among those aboard the S. S. Minnewaska en route to London. This voyage would take place one month after the sinking of the Titanic. Sometime between then and July 1912, Mrs. Coates would write "The Band of the Titanic."  She would also pen "The Titanic—Aftermath" to be published in The Unconquered Air and Other Poems released in November of the same year.  The Coates' were likely headed to painter John McLure Hamilton's home in Murestead, Grove End Road, London, N. W., England, for it was there, during the summer of 1912, that Mr. Hamilton painted their portraits.  The Philadelphia Inquirer, on 10 November, describes the portrait of Mrs. Coates as possessing "to a marked degree the charm and vivacity of the sitter, and while it is not an unqualified success in the drawing of the head, the perspective of which is open to criticism, it resembles the curate's egg in the excellence of its parts.  The hands are sympathetic and really rather wonderful in their character."


 * Thanks for sharing about the medallion... It's the first new piece of info I have received on FEC in some time. Perhaps I will contact the Historical Society of PA and see if they have any more info, or even images. Appreciated! BTW, I recently linked to a piece on WS on Fairman Rogers' page, then noticed that I had already done so back in 2013, but it was de-linked... Let me know if it is not appropriate to link to WS in that way, or if it would be better to create an external link to the piece. Thanks! Londonjackbooks (talk) 15:24, 26 December 2015 (UTC)


 * No issues with the FR link. Happy New Year! Londonjackbooks (talk) 17:07, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

Recently paid my first visit to PAFA, where I photographed Grafly's bust of E H Coates. I was a bit disappointed with presentation. The sculpture room in the M. V. Hamilton Building was reminiscent of a school's display of trophies in glass cases. Better was the permanent collection in the historical building, where I viewed Richards' Old Ocean's Gray and February (much larger than I imagined!); but I kept recalling the idea of Beauty so often spoken of (and implied) in Mrs. Coates' words and poetry, and wondered if the current state of the museum perhaps fell short of the standards of "the period of its greatest prosperity"—being that of Mr. Coates' tenure. I would have liked to see it as it was then... Londonjackbooks (talk) 16:26, 3 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the Hopper article link. Saw a couple familiar names in the article as well: William Merritt Chase painted portraits of Geo. H. Earle, Jr. (Florence's brother) and his wife, and also, I believe, a portrait based on a photograph of Geo. H. Sr. The Coates' also owned a Still Life by John Twachtman that was gifted to PAFA in 1923. This last visit to the city was short but sweet. Left flowers at Mrs. Coates' grave in Bryn Mawr, and visited some sites in Philly. Not much 'research' this time. Will let you know if we ever need a tour guide in the future! Londonjackbooks (talk) 21:31, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

Thanks so much...
...for the Wikicard. I don't do them, generally, but I do wish for you the happiest of holidays and fruitful New Year. BMK (talk) 20:36, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

Season's Greetings
To You and Yours! FWiW Bzuk (talk) 20:59, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

Thank you kindly
I shall look forward to getting sloshed tomorrow night. Happy editing! -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 02:18, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you for the present. Hmains (talk) 23:35, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for the kind thoughts
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SOCKPUPPETRY
Saw you had comments on Andrew Judge as father of Oney' s brother, Austin, and sister, Delphy. It is understood that Austin was half-brother to Oney and Delphy, sharing the same mother, Betty Davis (sister of enslaved bricklayer, Tom Davis, and half sister of Ann Dandridge, mother of William Costin). I have not seen any name of Austin's father. I had presumed Oney and Delphy shared the same father but with a six year age gap it is understandable there could be different fathers. I have not seen any name put forward for Delphy's father. Slave family geneology at Mt. Vernon is very tricky, and easily misstated, so often needs correcting. Good example is Ann Dandridge, for whom there is no birth or death dates. Bjhillis (talk) 20:40, 4 January 2016 (UTC)


 * User:Coroinn, a.k.a. User:Bjhillis, a.k.a. User:GramereC, a.k.a User:CRCole, a.k.a. User:71.58.75.28, a.k.a. User:166.217.248.24, a.k.a. User:72.69.56.203, a.k.a. User:69.86.246.30, a.k.a. other accounts or IP addresses?


 * I do not allow Sockpuppets to post on my Talk page. You have been blocked before for disruptive editing, including blanking whole sections of articles. You have lied repeatedly, including stating that GramereC and Bjhillis were different people -- "I am not original author but I am in contact with." You fooled me once. Do not post on this page again.


 * == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 14:50, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

Coroinn and GramereC are in fact both CR Cole because sign in info was hacked on the first account. I am not Bjhillis but have been in contact with him. Please leave me out of your ridiculous editing process where you do not even identify yourself and only want people to accept your BIASED views on history not facts. CR Cole at GramereC@aol.com for more than 20 years. You are obviously researching folks posting rather than editing if you have concocted a scenario where we are all one. Step back and take a break.GramereC 15:21, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

Seems to be a mistake on identity. I posted a response to your questions on Oney and Delphy Judge. I am a lawyer in NYC. Bradley HillisBjhillis (talk) 21:44, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

Two brick shit houses and a port-a-potty
The Centennial Comfort Houses are just south of the Horticultural Center, near Memorial Hall. There are 4 references on Google and 11 new pix at Commons:Category:Centennial Comfort Stations. Any interest? Smallbones( smalltalk ) 05:52, 13 December 2015 (UTC)


 * User:Smallbones. Crazy coincidence. I have a painting of these brick buildings in my livingroom! Uncle Jack was a fine amateur artist -- had a long career in business, then entered and graduated PAFA in retirement -- and gave me the painting for my 40th birthday. He said the buildings were from the Centennial, but never mentioned their function. I guess he found it amusing to keep it a secret. ( I think it's funny.) Worthy of an article? I'm not certain. They're probably by Wilson Brothers, and may be in the PAB database. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 21:59, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Pretty amazing. See User:Smallbones/Centennial comfort stations if you want to add anything, e.g. refs.  Smallbones( smalltalk ) 19:42, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the edit. Do you think the article is ready for prime time?  I might as well submit it to DYK, but looking for the proper hook (text for the front page).  Perhaps


 * "Did you know that ... The Centennial comfort stations, perhaps the only extant restrooms from a nineteenth century international exposition, are currently served by a port-a-potty?"


 * but this has to be explicitly referenced - the "perhaps" was a bit more general in the source "utilitarian buildings" and the only reference I have for the port-a-potty is the above photo. Any help appreciated.  Smallbones( smalltalk ) 16:03, 16 December 2015 (UTC)


 * User:Smallbones. I don't know much about DYKs. Others have nominated my articles, but I don't think I ever have. Wilson Brothers published a catalogue of its works in the 1880s. The fact that the Athenaeum doesn't have a listing for the comfort stations may indicate that they're not in that catalogue. Like the Catholic Abstinence Fountain and Horticultural Hall, the comfort stations probably were supplied with water from the brand-new reservoir atop George's Hill. I wonder if there's a way to tie in flush toilets? == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 17:05, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

Re: Samuel Fraunces
PS - I did some research in Philly (the Historical Society of Pennsylvania) the week before Christmas when the temperature was in the 60s. My first trip there. I saw many of the sights. Some beautiful architecture and much history. TuckerResearch (talk) 20:32, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

discussion at WikiProject Philadelphia
You've worked on articles about Philadelphia, so I'd like you to see a discussion at WikiProject Philadelphia: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject Philadelphia.

It's about a spate of recent changes, largely by anonymous users, to articles about Center City Philadelphia. The changes seem misguided to me, and I'd like to hear what other people think. TypoBoy (talk) 00:23, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

You are welcome
Which gets us to why I made that change and that can be found at Talk:Admiral David G. Farragut. Check it out, it could change your life. Or not. Carptrash (talk) 01:30, 13 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Carptrash. Not. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 14:01, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

Interesting times indeed
I should check out Trump University, Mitt Romney and the 2016 Presidential campaign. Smallbones( smalltalk ) 01:35, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

12th Street
I noticed the article yesterday. Don't forget that is a brief source. You should trim and get a jpg version of all the tiff files. If you don't know how to do that, let me know which ones you want. I may even be up for a trip to the George School.

I've gotten interested in the Keystone Marker pictured here, on US 13 at Cobbs Creek, and may ask you a few questions about it. Smallbones( smalltalk ) 15:54, 21 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the HABS condensed history. I couldn't open the Data Pages PDF on the LOC site. Yes, I'll get the jpgs from HABS. I don't know anything about Keystone Markers, but a trip to the George School would be great (it's about 10 miles NE of me). == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 16:13, 21 March 2016 (UTC)


 * The 2 data pages have almost nothing. I'd guess the problem in seeing them is that you don't have a pdf viewer installed, or otherwise with your computer. OTOH the photo captions (this is quite unusual) have a ton of detail, e.g.


 * GARRET, SOUTH HALF, LOOKING WEST.
 * The trusses and joists date from the 1755 Greater Meeting House.
 * When this building was being torn down in 1812, these trusses were
 * incorporated into the new Twelfth Street Meeting House. The trusses
 * and joists were all pit sawn. The lower strut of the truss center
 * posts were added in 1812 with iron strapping tieing them into the
 * older members. Many of the joist tenons broke off in the transfer
 * for reuse, so ledgers were provided to support the joists in 1812.
 * At the Greater Meeting House the space between the queen posts was
 * the Monthly Meeting Room. Evidence still exists for its plaster
 * walls and ceiling. The suspended wood air duct dates from 1852.


 * Maybe too detailed, e.g. lots of info on the 1852 heating system with wood air ducts


 * My question on the Keystone Marker - can a 1928 cast iron sign like this be fixed? Smallbones( smalltalk ) 16:47, 21 March 2016 (UTC)


 * User:Smallbones. The PA historical markers are sand-cast. It would be better to create a patch piece out of plastic, glue it to the old marker, and sand-cast a new one. It's more likely to succeed than trying to create a patch piece out of iron and soldering it to the old one. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 17:44, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

I am pretty sure
that I do not have a picture of Perry Monument (Cleveland), but will need to look through my Cleveland slides to be sure. They were mostly taken in the 1980s when this monument was either in storage in in an obscure park (meaning I never heard of it) somewhere. But I will look. Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 18:40, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm fine. Getting psyched up to play 4 sets of music this p.m., which is fine for 20 or 30 or 40 or even 50 year olds, but beyond that . . . ......... Also have just located my Ohio slides.  Carptrash (talk) 19:12, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Hmmmm. Here it is, Saturday night and we seem to be the only people editing. Wonder if that means anything?  Carptrash (talk) 03:22, 17 April 2016 (UTC)

Editor of the Week&thinsp;: nominations needed!
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Do you have
any idea what the  Leamy House, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania might be? A stub I am working on Elsa Jemne, painted (I think) murals in it but. . . ........ what is it? Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 19:31, 28 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Carptrash. Could this be it? == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 19:41, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Looks reasonable. Especially if the murals were done at the point that the place became a retirement home.  Carptrash (talk) 19:52, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Carptrash. It's a sprawling building. I wonder how big the original house was? It backs up to Cresheim Creek, a beautiful area. Never knew it was there. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 20:11, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Well I had a friend who was fond of saying, "You can learn something new everyday if you start out dumb enough." The house is started in 1902, by some well known architects - I forget exactly who, since it's 13 minutes since I saw, but I think they were also Collegiate Gothic types. Carptrash (talk) 20:17, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Carptrash. Cope and Stewardson, best known for the campuses of Penn, Princeton, and Bryn Mawr. Sometimes dull, but always tasteful. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 20:25, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

I took a glance
at the Beatrice Fenton history and was pleasantly surprised to learn that i had started it. So, thanks for pushing it on. On of the photographs is from Brookgreen Gardens, a destination that I am thinking of taking a road trip to. I have always (well 30 years) wanted to go and now seems like the time to do it. Then, watch out for the pictures. Carptrash (talk) 01:59, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

Your "thanks"
— was enough to get me to publish the stubbiest of stubs for Joseph Pollia, so thank you. Carptrash (talk) 18:23, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Carptrash. And I'm glad you did. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 18:21, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Give me a sculptor and the flimsiest of excuses and I'll give you a stub. Carptrash (talk) 22:32, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Carptrash. It is looking good. Now you just need to take a trip to Cuba to photograph the San Juan Hill statues. Best, == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 11:33, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Will consider it, though slumber party in DC sounds fun too. Carptrash (talk) 15:23, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Carptrash. Seven teenaged girls? I don't recommend it. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 15:28, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I trust you, so Cuba it is. Carptrash (talk) 15:52, 31 May 2016 (UTC)

Carptrash. "Cuba, that's where I'm going. Cuba, that's where I'll stay. Cuba, where wine is flowing, And where dark-eyed Stellas light their fellas' panatellas. Cuba, where all is happy. Cuba, where all is gay. Why don't you plan a wonderful trip to Havanna? Hop on a ship, and I'll see you, in C - U - B - A." &mdash; Irving Berlin. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 16:23, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
 * That is a lot to recommend it. And I have been threatening myself with a vacation. Hmmmm Carptrash (talk) 18:37, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I have, as I suspect you have, been trying to pin down the Babe Ruth cemetery memorial but just can't quite do it. it looks very possible - that is to say the work looks as if Pollia might have done it, but, as they say, looks can be deceiving.  Perhaps we can add it if we find a nice "attributed to" somewhere.  Carptrash (talk) 17:28, 1 June 2016 (UTC)

Utopia, Limited
I've never actually seen it, and I have to agree that from what little I've heard it's not generally Sullivan's best. But I do like the text - I find Gilbert became wonderfully wicked the older he got. ("First you're born" is one of the most savage things he ever wrote that I've read.) -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 00:56, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Ira Gershwin? Never hoid of him.  (Funny - this is the second time he's come up in conversation in as many weeks.)


 * I can sort-of-relate - while I was familiar with a couple of the G&S scores fairly early on, my father gave me, many years ago, a complete collection of the first-night texts that he'd had for years, and there are a lot of things in there I never had the chance to hear. Until the YouTube era, at least. -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 05:27, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Perhaps not - but what of Ira's lyrics for Porgy and Bess? "It ain't necessarily so" is the work of a genius, to my mind - some of the greatest wordplay I know in theater. -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 16:48, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Harburg I must confess I'm not that familiar with beyond his work on The Wizard of Oz. Though I see he had his finger in some pies that I know well.


 * Incidentally, talking of the Gershwins, this is a rather interesting piece. A bit earlier than Porgy, but the excerpts I've heard indicate it's moving in that direction.  But it's hampered by the lyrics, among other things: there are a couple of examples here. Rather blanch-worthy, to say the least. Amazing what the lack of a good text can do. (That said, I quite like the music, like this duet - wish I'd been in New York to see it.) -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 17:32, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Another interesting work, 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. - I've not heard it, but am somewhat vaguely familiar. Truth be told, I don't always care for Bernstein - there are a few pieces I love (the Serenade, for instance, and the Chichester Psalms), but often I think he tried to do larger things than he was able, and fell flat more often than not.  Pity, because he did have a great deal of talent as a composer. -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 18:53, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Mass is...weird.


 * You're up in Philly, then? One of these days I'll get up there for the opera.  Nearly went last year for Cold Mountain, but chickened out in the end.  I'm outside DC - let me know when you're in the area.


 * Speaking of - did you know about the OperaDelaware festival last month? -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 02:12, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Will do - shoot me a message when you're down this way, too.


 * I have to tell you - you missed a crackerjack performance in that Amleto. I don't often use the term "revelatory" when describing a performance, but this really was.  It's the missing link that I never realized Italian opera needed, but it makes perfect sense in context.  Quite an impressive achievement. -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 18:50, 3 June 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for showing up
and doing the right thing elsewhere. More interesting is the stub I have started at Emily Winthrop Miles, which needs help and with the drywall guy here, now, I'm not up to it. Emily is a fascinating woman and I believe that if you take even one peek you will be hooked. Carptrash (talk) 16:41, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Carptrash. You're welcome. Nuclear weapons should not be in the hands of children. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 16:48, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Too bad he just shot himself in the foot. If he shot himself elsewhere he could be in line for a Darwin Award. Carptrash (talk) 17:25, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Carptrash. Over my head. I had to look it up. Nice. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 17:28, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Once you know and understand Darwin Awards you will never look at humanity the same again. i have proposed, for example, that ice fishermen (very few women) who get caught on ice bergs and have to be rescued - often at great peril to the rescuers, only be rescued if they agree to a vasectomy,  thus being eligible for a Darwin.  And it goes on and on.
 * Carptrash. Uh-oh. You're slipping into dangerous territory. Next we'll be talking Mount Everest. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 17:39, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Mount Everest. Another great way to earn a Darwin.  Carptrash (talk) 18:43, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

How about
we get together sometime and do an article on Mellor, Meigs & Howe, who are already red rinked in several articles? Those links could be redirected to George Howe (architect), but really, is that good enough? Carptrash (talk) 15:55, 27 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Carptrash. Maybe. It's not a firm I feel passionate about. "Stockbroker Tudor" doesn't really ring my bell, although Will Price did lots -- his less-interesting work. Howe's "High Hollow" and "Laverock" are beautiful and significant. And there are certainly pre-1923 PD images of MM&H that could be uploaded from the T-Square Club's yearbooks. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 16:25, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Carptrash. I tried, but mostly failed to find PD images of Mellor, Meigs & Howe. Meigs was the designer of "Laverock Farm" (1919-25), and published a famous book of photographs of it in 1925. Unfortunately, because Meigs didn't die until 1956, the images from that book will not be out of copyright until 2026. I found ONE Laverock photograph published before 1923, and posted it to Commons. I haven't been able to find PD images of "High Hollow," by George Howe, which is his real masterpiece. I have PD images of Mellor's and Meigs's own houses -- finely done, if modest -- and the McCracken house, also beautiful. Then there's the Caspar Morris house, done in a storybook style that is so preciously "Ye Ole England" that I wanted to vomit. As I said, not my cup of tea. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 18:32, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I have a 1990 reprint of a 1923 MM&H book with a lot of pictures, but 1922 would have been a lot better from a copyright POV. There are a few fine Samuel Yellin pieces shown.  Please do not throw up and do not feel obliged to drink this bitter tea, they just came to mind because of  . . ...  recent Philly stuff.  I have begun the WH memoir, it is quite captivating.  However I am off shortly to do my regular Wednesday Me & My Brother (What is that article?) gig and then tomorrow is our BIG SHOW at the Glendale library that is actually a Storytelling event, just with music, in which we try to make it sound as if we had an interesting life.  Carptrash (talk) 18:46, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Yellin's work came out of copyright last year. I took close-ups of his grilles and door handles at Washington Memorial Chapel, but haven't posted them. I was surprised how positive WH's memoir was -- almost no scores to settle. And the evolution of the PRR Memorial is interesting (wish there was lots more). You're SO right that there should be a big book with images of his work. And maybe a monograph on the PRR Memorial, like Lincoln Kirstein's superb one on the Adams Memorial. The Andrew Wyeth quarry anecdote in the catalogue is priceless. Again, wish there was more. Break a leg (for both). == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 19:28, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

I added a bunch of Samuel Yellin images when I first did the article, one of my first articles, and I even asked the guy who had written the book on Yellin if I could use them and he said 'Sure." I doubt that he had any idea about copyright, but okay, let us try again.  Carptrash (talk) 04:12, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

While getting the stub
Mellor Meigs & Howe sort of ready I discovered a category Defunct architecture firms based in New York and thought "Surely the same can be done for Philadelphia, so am going with the category Defunct architecture firms based in Philadelphia and am hoping that you can help make it respectable. Carptrash (talk) 16:24, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Carptrash. Sounds good. I seem to know lots of defunct information. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 16:29, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Also, my book on MM&H does not use any comas? What's a guy to do?  Carptrash (talk) 17:41, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
 * On the other hand these folks DO use the comas, so it's okay, https://www.philadelphiabuildings.org/pab/app/ar_display.cfm/27098  Carptrash (talk) 17:45, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Comma preferred. Note image at right: instant "Ye Olde England." == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 21:19, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
 * And while we are on technical stuff, do you know how to set up a redirect at Mellor & Meigs that will send folks to MM&H? I don't. Carptrash (talk) 20:55, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Carptrash. I don't either, except for what I did in the line above. Do you think Mellor & Meigs merits its own article? == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 21:19, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
 * We seem to be covering them pretty well at MM&H. Carptrash (talk) 21:35, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Nice separation for the MM and MM&H commissions. Actually, not a bad start for the article. Carptrash (talk) 01:26, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Carptrash. Agreed. We need to beef up the body of the article, but the list of works is in good shape. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 01:28, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

Carptrash. A problem with the Christopher L. Ward house. PAB has Edmund Gilchrist as the architect in 1916 (and his drawings), with later alterations by Yellin and MM&H. Since we don't know the exact nature of MM&H's alterations, I suggest that we delete the listing. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 01:51, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Okay. I am looking at their (MM&H, with a coma) elevations and blueprints and many pictures and they are extensive.  I wonder what Edmund Gilchrist did?  Carptrash (talk) 02:04, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Carptrash. It appears Gilchrist designed the original building & MM&H altered it 6 years later. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 02:07, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I'll send you some pictures of what I am looking at, but first I have to feed the dog. And me. ciao, pronounced "CHOW." Carptrash (talk) 02:14, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Carptrash. The Philadelphia Architects and Buildings database is a wonderful thing. 'Night. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 02:56, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

Carptrash. We need more on Goodhart Hall, MM&H's biggest commission, and photos of it! But the article is pretty good. I've always loved the photo of M&M's private office. What a beautiful space. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 16:38, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Hmmmm. Goodhart Hall was done after my 1923 book. Still, I'll look around.  Carptrash (talk) 18:16, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
 * But what do you think of this claim about it in the Bryn Mawr College article? "The building's towers and gables, friezes, carvings and ornamental ironwork were designed by Samuel Yellin in the gothic revival style."  I doubt that Yellin had anything to do with any of that except the ironwork.  Perhaps this is what the sentence intends, but it is not what it conveys.  At least to me.  Should I just change it to what I think it should be?  Maybe just remove the "were"? Would that be enough?  Carptrash (talk) 18:26, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Carptrash. Of course I agree. The reporter got that part wrong. I'm surprised the only image of Goodhart at Wiki Commons is a sunset silhouette. Lots more photos of M&M here. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 18:53, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
 * WOW. Great Arch Review (or was it Arch Record?) stuff.  Followed (opinion) by an even better article on Paul Bartlett's architectural sculpture.  I can even snag the pictures.  When I was in college I used to spend many hours in the library going through the old architecture magazines.  They had a good selection of them and it was always thrilling to discover stuff such as what you've presented me with.  Thanks.  Carptrash (talk) 19:09, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Carptrash. Great. Several foundations sponsor websites that scan these now-PD books & magazines. The advantage is that you can download (which you can't do with Google Books). They are a treasure. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 19:16, 6 July 2016 (UTC)

Hmmmmm
I had not seen that article but it probably will tie in with my newly created Replicas of the Statue of Liberty by the Boy Scouts of America. Coincidence or something else? Carptrash (talk) 20:42, 20 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Do you think that these two articles should be combined? Carptrash (talk) 20:46, 20 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I will give this a shot. What's the worst that can happen? Carptrash (talk) 00:23, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

Swarthmore Preby
Just ran into this and uploaded it. I had tried taking my own pix of it, and should try the interior sometime.

Another topic you might be interested in relates to Oney Judge. See User:Smallbones/Slaves of European ancestry in the United States. I've kind of painted myself into a corner on this. It started as White slave propaganda which I had to rewrite because it looked like a copyvio, but I couldn't find the borders of the very small event. The current draft has no borders still, but shouldn't take any more than 500 pages. If you can think of where to stop it (White slaves of US Presidents?) let me know.

Smallbones( smalltalk ) 01:15, 31 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Smallbones. Hey, good to hear from you! It's a great image, and one I don't think I've seen in a decade. A shame the bell tower came down in the 1920s.


 * User:Smallbones/Slaves of European ancestry in the United States is a difficult and important subject. I applaud your bravery in taking it on, and hope you don't get too much blowback. You seem to be absolutely on the right track.


 * I finally made it to the Washington Memorial Chapel to take photos. (My stained glass ones are lousy.) Someone deleted the links to Flickr photos of it, claiming that it was an improper use of footnotes for a Wikipedia article. I got mad enough to take my own.


 * Best, == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 01:50, 31 July 2016 (UTC)

Usually (ie. "my opinion")
the date of a statue such as Quinn's Victory is considered to be the date of the dedication, rather than when he made it, in this case, according to SIRIS, "Dedicated Dec. 11, 1921". Carptrash (talk) 17:40, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Carptrash. Thanks. Let me check if I got the year of the magazine photo wrong. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 17:48, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Carptrash. It's my mistake. I got the year wrong. Thanks for catching it. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 18:03, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Sure. In fact, having just knocked 5 years off my birthdate, I understand. Carptrash (talk) 01:43, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Carptrash. Congratulations! "You're only as old as you feel [like telling people]." == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 12:36, 6 August 2016 (UTC)

I am proposing
changing the name of an article that you involved me with from Vicken von Post-Börjesson to Vicken von Post Totten. Please see its talk page if you are interested in this process. Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 03:30, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

St. Mikes in Germantown closed
so I thought I'd make an article (still a work in progress) at St. Michael's Evangelical Lutheran Church (Mt. Airy). Any help or comment welcome, though I'd be statisfied if you confirm that the architectural style is Gothic Revival, rather than reduced Richardsonian Romanesque, or Castellated Fantasy with cell towers. Smallbones( smalltalk ) 19:15, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Smallbones. This building is a queer bird. Gothic Revival can encompass a whole lot, including this. Not Romanesque, with the pointed arches. I'm in the middle of something, let me look at it more closely tonight. It was great seeing you last week. I still have cheesecake left over from Thanksgiving (it freezes well). Best, == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 19:31, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Smallbones. According to PAB, this was built c.1896, so the mannerist exterior was not a naïve expression, but the architect's intent. Within the overarching range of Gothic Revival, I think you'd be safe with Neo-Norman. Best, == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 13:27, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
 * It took me awhile for this to sink in, but I did finally find the architect T. Frank Miller. I also think I've got the church article licked (but not complete). Usually a church's website will give as complete a history as you'll find (with obvious exceptions).  But since this one is closed, no church history from the church.  But since it's been around since 1728 I found all sorts of little tidbits in all sorts of odd places.  Just found an 11 page copy of the church's church history - oh well! Smallbones( smalltalk ) 20:16, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

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Editor of the Week
User:Carptrash submitted the following nomination for Editor of the Week:
 * It is with a deep feeling of respect, almost approaching reverence, that I nominate User: BoringHistoryGuy for the Editor of the Week Award. A quick review of his work is even more impressive than I had imagined. Particularly  noteworthy to me is his 95% edits in articles, as opposed to editors who do that much on talk pages.  The reason (opinion) for this high number is that BHG does his editing in the trenches where a lot of talk is not needed, just sweat, blood and mostly, toil.  I have crossed paths with him many times and have always found him to be an extremely easy editor to work with.  He has put together several impressive Lists, but the one I want to offer as a good example of his work, and the one I have spent the most time side-by-side with him is List of monuments of the Gettysburg Battlefield where his hard work, impeccable scholarship and dedication to the wikipedia ideals can be fairly easily seen.  Thanks for your consideration,

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Thanks again for your efforts!  Go  Phightins  !  17:24, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your efforts on behalf of the readers and end-users of Wikipedia.<em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:black">Buster Seven  <em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:black"> Talk  17:29, 18 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Wow! Thank you, folks. I didn't know there was such a thing. And thank you to User:Carptrash for nominating me. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 17:54, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Congratulations!!! <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 20:55, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
 * You already have lived up to it. That's the point. Carptrash (talk) 01:35, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

I hadn't remembered that Daniel Pabst was the first article I started on Wikipedia &mdash; 6-1/2 years ago. Thanks for reminding me, and for all the good wishes. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 20:46, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

Thanks...
...for your continued work on Trumbauer. EEng (talk) 16:04, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
 * And since you seem to appreciate careful research on relatively obscure subjects, here's another dead Harvard graduate. I was marveling at that Roosevelt room shown here at right. I see the caption says it's been demolished. The reason it was demolished is all the dusting it required. EEng (talk) 16:06, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Hello again. Good to see you're still at it.  E Eng  19:31, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

Any relation?
Any relation?

congrats on the Editor of the week above. Smallbones( smalltalk ) 19:12, 5 March 2015 (UTC)


 * BTW - could that award be viewed as your Pabst Blue Ribbon? Smallbones( smalltalk ) 19:13, 5 March 2015 (UTC)


 * @Smallbones, very nice, and thanks. I don't aspire to be that Boring. Although I am partial to the Phila architect John Dull. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 12:12, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
 * @Smallbones, I wonder what's happening in the image you recently uploaded of the York Presbyterian Church. The sanctuary and the building behind it appear to be in a totally different style. I suspect that the belltower and wrap-around vestibule/corridor may be additions to an existing church building. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 12:12, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

5 Million: We celebrate your contribution

 * Nicely done, User:7&amp;6=thirteen. Congratulations, right back atcha. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 22:24, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

Finally!



 * Yes, but "obsessive" is harder to do an image for. Hancock book only gives "overall" height.  I will search the text when I get home.  Carptrash (talk) 22:09, 5 November 2015 (UTC)


 * this seems to suggest that the angel alone is 37 feet, but . . . . . .......Carptrash (talk) 21:00, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Then there is this, "the bronze sculpture of an angel lifting a solider that sits at the east end of 30th Street Station and soars 39 feet from its base to the tips of its wings —" Carptrash (talk) 21:10, 7 November 2015 (UTC)


 * drip, drip, drip Carptrash (talk) 20:31, 11 November 2015 (UTC)


 * yes, let us not go there. Carptrash (talk) 20:30, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

Nicola D'Ascenzo
is one of the 7 wonders of the Wikipedia World and that's on day 1. I can only imagine what it will be on Day 7, when you rest. Carptrash (talk) 17:53, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I feel some photography coming on, but have no idea when I'll be able to do it. Do you want to try to download the Will Price windows? Usually the window itself is considered flat enough to be 2-dimensional, but I might have to crop the plain frames.  BTW1 any chance Nicola lived in Rose Valley? - I could probably look it up at the Wallingford library if you don't know. BTW2 stained glass windows are particularly difficult for me to snap, so maybe I'll learn something. Smallbones( smalltalk ) 18:09, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I realize that I have pictures of the windows in 3 or 4 of his churches, but they are slides and deciding exactly what windows are what might be beyond my current station in life. But tempting none-the-less. Carptrash (talk) 17:13, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!

 * I'd throw in a piece of cheesecake, but there are none left. Smallbones( smalltalk ) 15:51, 27 November 2015 (UTC)


 * User:7&amp;6=thirteen. Thank you. On some level this article is insider baseball, even for a Philadelphian. But on another, the medals track what artists on the jury judged to be the best work by their peers, year-by-year. And it offered the opportunity to retell a gruffly amusing Thomas Eakins anecdote (although I left out his wearing red bicycle pants). Thanks also for the torte. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 17:59, 27 November 2015 (UTC)


 * User:Smallbones. Glad you liked the cheesecake. We have half of ours left over from last night, but it's going quickly. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 17:59, 27 November 2015 (UTC)


 * User:Smallbones. I just discovered the W. M. Chase image. Nice find! == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 18:07, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * ·maunus. Thank you for the kind words (and the barnstar). I hope that a book about Hercules is written, one that doesn't downplay or sugarcoat the historical facts. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 03:38, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Congratulations on the well deserved recognition. Carptrash (talk) 04:33, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Twelfth Street Meeting House
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DYK for Twelfth Street Meeting House
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For you
Carptrash (talk) 06:38, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
 * What a pleasant surprise. Thank you, Carptrash. And additional thanks for all the reference materials you provided. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 12:45, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
 * And if you don't slow down you are going to force me to award you another one for Brenda Putnam. Carptrash (talk) 02:00, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Carptrash. It IS turning into something. I started out unenthusiastic about her, but am becoming a fan. Is there no biography of her? == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 02:15, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Not that I am aware of. Her book, "The Sculptor's Way," besides drawings by Marion Sanford and some photographs by Laura Gilpin, shows a fair amount of her work, as well as work by other sculptors, but it definitely in NOT a book about her.  The book has been reissued by Dover Publications, which suggested that it is out of copyright, but who knows.  I wrote Dover years ago about the copyright of a book that they had reprinted and got back a "Who knows?" reply.  Carptrash (talk) 02:21, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Carptrash. I added a section to Brenda Putnam which raises the question of her sexuality. Leave it or delete it? Please let me know what you think. Thanks. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 00:02, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

Marion Sanford, another associate of Putnam's had a long term relationship with Cornelia Chapin (she is a blue link, somewhere) to the point of donating their combined papers to the Smithsonian. Somewhat confirming your thoughts. Somewhat. I'm going to look around for someone (or two, or more) at the Women in red project and put the question to them. I suspect the answer is "Go with the sources," in which case - we need some. Carptrash (talk) 00:10, 30 August 2016 (UTC)
 * More food for thought, Category:Lesbian artists

Wikipedia Visiting Scholar: Temple University
Saw this and thought of you: Visiting_Scholars/Participating_institutions/Temple_University. TuckerResearch (talk) 14:32, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

I am struggling mightily
with a bad case of LBS or "Lost Book Syndrome" (AKA, "Where the F Did I Put That Book Syndrome") regarding a book about Cranbrook that has at least 2 or 3 good pages on Lily Saarinen. I have done the once all over, then a second look and will not return until the third go round is complete. Wish me luck. Carptrash (talk) 18:41, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
 * FOUND, in the Michigan section, where it belongs, and it turns out that most of what I hoped to find was about Loja Saarinen, (hmmm, red link?) but there should be a reference or two that can be used. After I read it, of course. Carptrash (talk) 18:54, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Carptrash. Your bookshelves are better organized than mine. I read the transcript of the Archives of American Art interview with Saarinen, and came away disappointed. Was she always that scatterbrained? Also, AAA's biographical sketch lists work by her in an Evanston, IL post office. I'll let you verify that. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 19:08, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
 * So far I have two sculptures at the Evanston PO, neither by her. I spent an interesting day in Evanston once, looking for a bank with some Parducci work on it, only to discover after several hours of road work, that it had been demolished in 1968 or something. But I digress. Carptrash (talk) 19:26, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

Thunderbird Lodge, Rose Valley
They are fixing the place up, much less brush, a few trees gone. And I got inside! (pretty much blew it though). Let me know if you want a specific exterior shot or angle. This will all be dependent on the time of day because of all the light and shadows there, but I can go anytime.

I'll be uploading more from today, but this is the best from the inside.

If you want to get involved in an American Archive of Public Broadcasting project, let me know.

Smallbones( smalltalk ) 18:17, 13 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Smallbones. It's great to see color photos of the interior! I was in the house once, about 1980, on a tour by GET. I remember the his-and-hers studios and the winding staircase. I have GET's book on Price, if you want to borrow it. Best, == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 19:33, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

Where'd you find that image?
Also I seem to be making a mess at Karl Bitter, probably St. Paul should just go in the gallery, but my bro and his keeper (Cosmo) just arrived so ... later. Carptrash (talk) 16:19, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Carptrash. Not sure what image you mean. I like your St. Paul photo, although a close-up might better show the figures. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 16:53, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Closer up would be just one figure- but, okay.Carptrash (talk) 17:34, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Oh, the Henry Philip Tappan image. There is a once article on that work somewhere in the Carpchives that would make an article about it possible. Carptrash (talk) 17:36, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Carptrash. I found an image of Tappan thru Google Books, but couldn't grab it. Did you see what I found about Bitter's work at Biltmore? == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 17:43, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I need to take a deep breath. This is so exciting. Bitter has some great woodcarvings inside Biltmore, but one can't take pictures there.  I have a Tappan pic somewhere but I suspect it's a slide and that mean . . .work to get it.  Which sucks. (To quote your friend on the bus). I saw a pic from Biltmore, did you add text too?  I'll look. Carptrash (talk) 17:50, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Carptrash. I'm going to back off and let you work on Bitter. Do you know what medium the Tappan relief is made of? bronze? == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 18:10, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

Yes, bronze, and don't back off. This is your initiative and I need to think about pictures. Carptrash (talk) 18:41, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Carptrash. Okay, thanks. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 18:45, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * E.M.Gregory. Thank you very much. And thank you for starting the article. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 13:54, 5 October 2016 (UTC)

I got up this morning
and your Pedimental sculptures in the United States brought tears to my eyes. Since it is hard to type with tears in my eyes. . . ....... later. Carptrash (talk) 16:28, 27 October 2016 (UTC)

Best I got
This is nearly identical to the upper left hand tile in the photo you showed me (uneven glaze in different areas let's you tell them apart). But obviously the same mold, same glaze. If you want a better pic, just cut that other one down to size. BTW I estimated the size as 2' x 2' in the description - perhaps you could edit that and other info there. Smallbones( smalltalk ) 21:19, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
 * The tile is about 12.75 in. tall and wide, and about 1.5 in. deep. Still don't know if it was from the Chinese or Japanese Pavilion. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 16:24, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

Merry Christmas
Smallbones( smalltalk ) 05:16, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

Merry, merry!
From the icy Canajian north; to you and yours! FWiW Bzuk (talk) 21:28, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

Merry Christmas

 * Sorry it's a bit late but shhh late's better than never :), Hope you had a great Xmas an I hope you have a great New Year :) – Davey 2010 Merry Xmas / Happy New Year 00:19, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

Awaking from my food coma...
...to say thank you kindly. And Parrish the thought, whatever the thought may be. Ahahahaahahahohoahahahaha.

Happy 2017, and happy editing in the new year! -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 02:10, 26 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Ser Amantio di Nicolao. Ahahahaahahahohoahahahaha, etc., back atcha. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 12:24, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Well, I woke up from the coma, so something's going right. Unless I'm dreaming this conversation.


 * (Fun fact. I have actually dreamed about editing Wikipedia before.  That's not normal, right?) -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 17:41, 26 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Ser Amantio di Nicolao. It depends on the context of your dreams: Is Wikipedia a productive activity that brings satisfaction (and thus is relaxing) OR a negative activity that causes anxiety. If it's the first context, I'd say that's not abnormal (but maybe a bit weird). If it's the second context, WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING HERE? == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 18:07, 26 December 2016 (UTC)


 * "What the hell am I doing here?"...I keep asking myself that question. Maybe one of these days I'll have a satisfactory answer.
 * Actually, as I recall it was more of a nightmare than a dream...I had the overwhelming sense that no matter how much I do, there's always so much more left to do. Not that different from reality, actually. -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 18:19, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Ser Amantio di Nicolao. Very true, AND funny. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 18:26, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

Dreaming about problems and challenges is absolutely normal. In fact, I recently had a Wikipedia problem (with some edits and an editor) and dreamed up the answer. See Shinola. <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 18:12, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
 * <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b>. Very nice additions to the article. I'd heard the term, "You don't know shit from Shinola," but didn't understand the reference. Glad you got inspired (by a dream?). == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 18:26, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Shinola (shoe polish) He's back!  WP:PP lapsed.  <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 20:33, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Related dispute <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 21:33, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
 * <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b>. How lovely that the spirit of the season has such a conciliatory effect on us all. == 22:53, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

Season's Greetings
I appreciate the Best Wishes! We were just in Philly on Nov 4 (quick day trip) for opening day of PAFA's World War I and American Art exhibit. Happy Holidays to you, and a Happy New Year! Londonjackbooks (talk) 14:13, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Londonjackbooks. Thank you. I haven't seen the exhibit yet, but am looking forward to it soon. PAFA's shop is one of my favorite places to buy Xmas presents. Best, == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 14:47, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

Holiday Greetings! BHG

 * <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b>. Thank you, and Amen. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 15:15, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

Best wishes!!
All the best for you and your loved ones! --Afernand74 (talk) 16:36, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

best wishes
Hello BHG, all best wishes for the season, and let's hope the coming year brings more discussion about.. well, pediments, the Maenes, the shadowy (to me) Professor Plasscheart, and other delights of Philadelphia, where I should spend more time in careful looking. All best! --Lockley (talk) 18:55, 26 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Thank you, Lockley. I have a nephew (and fiancée) moving to the Pacific Northwest in the spring, so I look forward to seeing that territory. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 19:01, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

Happy holidays
Thanks for the nice note and card. Best wishes to you in the coming year. Finetooth (talk) 20:44, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

On a quiet New Year's Eve
Carptrash (talk) 02:42, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Carptrash. Thank you. I wish you the very best in the new year.
 * I think you may like what I've been working on. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 04:18, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Never mind. I see you've already seen it. == Best, BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 04:19, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Well I always like you showing up at the dinky-dink articles I start because you will always turn it into a thing of substance. Now to figure out how to stay awake until midnight. Carptrash (talk) 04:23, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I may not make it here. I was at a party earlier tonight, but an hour plus of non-stop Irish folk music (played on vintage instruments) drove out about half of the guests. When I realized there wasn't anyone left I wanted to kiss at midnight, I left too. 'night. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 04:31, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
 * It could have been worse. Bluegrass.  The kissing part, I get.  My choices are my brother and or my dog. Carptrash (talk) 04:40, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Kiss your dog. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 13:29, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

Happy New Year, BoringHistoryGuy!
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Happy New Year! BoringHistoryGuy, Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia.

– Davey 2010 Merry Xmas / Happy New Year 12:47, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

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Davey 2010. Thank you. I wish the same to you. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 13:31, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

Happy New Year

 * Thanks, <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b>. Best wishes back atcha. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 00:53, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

A beer for you!

 * Thanks, E.M.Gregory. I'd intended to start an article about the tent a couple years ago, but couldn't find a Public Domain image of it. Once I found a PD image, I also found you'd written a solid beginning to the article. The well-written parts are mostly yours, the Boring parts are mine. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 19:17, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

The Working Wikipedian's Barnstar

 * Thank you, Carptrash. Several of us put in so much work on that list that it seemed important to update the links with NPS's new URLs. I agree on "don't attempt this sort of thing yourself at home," unless you're also a bit obsessive (or more than a bit). == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 19:15, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
 * NPS's changes are real improvements. They added letters to the MN numbers to indentify multiple parts of a monument. For instance: XXX-A might be the monument itself; XXX-B might be the fence surrounding it; XXX-C might be the placard beside it. Very logical. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 17:19, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

Move from Evergreen Cemetery (Adams County, Pennsylvania) to Evergreen Cemetery (Gettysburg, Pennsylvania)
Boring,

Glad to see you working on this. I'd puttered around a bit with this and Evergreen Cemetery gatehouse, which should be merged into the larger article. There's also a Cemetery Hill article and probably some others. There's an old deletion request for the gatehouse article you should read. Technically, the cemetery is in Cumberland Township, Adams County, Pennsylvania which may be why it's not listed as in Gettysburg, even though it's only 5-10 blocks from the center of town. If I can make the move I'll try to do it tonight. Smallbones( smalltalk ) 01:36, 29 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I got the same message as you. I'll ping  who should be able to do the move. If there's any issue with the move please just contact me.  Smallbones( smalltalk ) 01:48, 29 January 2017 (UTC)
 * But it does have 2 Gettysburg addresses! (joke). Smallbones( smalltalk ) 01:52, 29 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Context please :-) Nyttend (talk) 05:10, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

Nyttend. For the first 5+ years, 2006 to 2011, this article had the name Evergreen Cemetery (Gettysburg, PA) or Evergreen Cemetery (Gettysburg, Pennsylvania). That changed in November 2011:

While just outside Gettysburg Borough, the cemetery is part of the Gettysburg Battlefield, is an island surrounded by Gettysburg National Military Park, and shares a long border with Soldiers' National Cemetery. In fact, Abraham Lincoln was standing on the Evergreen Cemetery side of the border when he delivered his Gettysburg Address at the dedication of the National Cemetery.

It's long bothered me that the article was so convoluted and densely written. I've tried to take info out of the footnotes and place it in the body of the article, and make the whole thing more readable.

I think that the original name, Evergreen Cemetery (Gettysburg, Pennsylvania), is a lot more useful to the average reader than the current name. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 20:58, 29 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the pointer! I wondered if the page had been moved, but I didn't see anything upon searching a few years of history, so I ended up guessing that it had never been at any other title.  I agree — we often use a nearby community for parenthetical disambiguation, even in everywhere-is-incorporated states like Pennsylvania.  Old Homestead (Enon Valley, Pennsylvania) and Hughes House (Jefferson, Pennsylvania) are typical examples.  This is particularly useful here because Gettysburg is well known, much more well known than Enon Valley or Jefferson.  Nyttend (talk) 22:01, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

As long as the Cemetery and Gatehouse articles remain separate, the photo (Evercemadams 121512.jpg) taken from the backside of the Gatehouse towards the Soldiers National Monument remains a better selection for the infobox than the current photo (Pennsylvania, Gettysburg, Gateway of Cemetery - NARA - 533313.jpg). The latter photo is taken from a distance and nicely shows the relationship between two lunettes (across Baltimore Street) and the Gatehouse, but it reveals almost nothing about the Cemetery behind the Gatehouse. The former photo shows both Evergreen Cemetery and its relationship to the adjacent Gettysburg National Cemetery, and since it shows most of Section A at Evergreen, it shows most of the headstones that would have been present during the Battle. These comments have been written by a landowner in Section A, Donaldecoho (talk) 14:11, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

What is it
with these people. They don't have google on their computers? Carptrash (talk) 03:43, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

As soon as I saw
that Harriet Whitney Frishmuth was from Philly I knew that I'd find you in the article's history. However I was disappointed that none of her many nudes had their own article because I need to add something to the Nude sculpture category! Carptrash (talk) 05:09, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I am guessing that these count? Carptrash (talk) 05:17, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Carptrash. "It's beginning to look a lot like ... Frishmuth." She didn't die until 1980, so her works won't be unchallengably PD for a long time. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 12:08, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I was once walking around the Saginaw MI water filtration plant (or something) taking pictures of the sculpture on the outside of the building and noticed a naked girl peeking at me from inside. it turned out to be a statue by Frishmuth that had been in a park but was getting vandalized so had been moved into the plant.  The folks there were very friendly but i can't find my pictures.  I am in Embudo, struggling with my old Mac and it's system that is not designed for the modern world.  I sometimes suspect that the same is true about me. Carptrash (talk) 15:57, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

Re: Nude sculptures
Thanks again for creating this category. I am surprised this category did not already exist. I went ahead and created some country subcategories (see Category:Nude sculptures by country). I noticed some museum/collection/building articles were tagged with the "Nude sculptures" category, but did not mention the word 'nude' or focus on nude sculpture, so I removed the category. Some articles in the category don't mention the word 'nude' (ideally, they would in order to be tagged as such), but I left the category if I could see that the work was a nude. Looking forward to populating this category further and then hopefully working on the similar category for paintings, too! -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 18:50, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Re: Category:Sculptures of Venus: I'm not sure this entire category should be classified as nude sculptures, when at least one entry (Head of Arles) does not seem to be a nude sculpture. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 19:55, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Another Believer. I saw that, but thought that the advantages of having the Venus sculptures grouped together in a single category outweighed having an exception or two. I suspect the building articles had nudes in their pedimental sculptures. Maybe nudes in architectural sculpture can eventually be placed in a subcategory.
 * Re: Category:Nude paintings -- Since there are probably many more times as many articles for individual paintings as for individual sculptures, would it make sense to just leave the paintings under Category:Nude art? == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 22:57, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Actually, I'd say the large number of applicable paintings helps justify the need for the subcategory. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 22:59, 12 March 2017 (UTC)

Warm regards

 * Hmmmm. Since "cabal" is an acronym, "carptrash" is easily found, as is "BoringHistoryGuy", but where is "7, 6", or "13"? Carptrash (talk) 15:22, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I had the exact same thought.
 * Sorry, no matter how I try to parse my user name, other aliases, alter ego, nom de plume or nom de guerre, I can't get there from here. Did not anticipate this problem when I started editing long ago.  <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 15:29, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks, 7&amp;6=thirteen. The best acronym I could come up with was GEEPS (which is a Sheep–goat chimera). SPEEG sounds dirty, and TLKED doesn't have quite the same ring to it. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 15:52, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Well, keep trying. There is a wonderful page or two (perhaps more) in War and Peace in which Pierre trys to figure out how Napoleon's name can be numerically calculated as 666.  As I recall he eventually succeeds by using a Corsican spelling.  So don't give up, it's there somewhere. Carptrash (talk) 18:27, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
 * 7&amp;6=thirteen, Carptrash. I like GEEPS. But even initials may be too indiscrete for someone who wishes to remain anonymous.
 * BTW, someone really wants to preserve the Samuel Fraunces discussion. I put in a template for a 3-month hold on archiving, but a bot changed it to 10 years. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 19:02, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I've always thought that there were 37.5 English-Wikipedias, and 42.3 Cabals to go with them, but I've never actually known anybody in one of the cabals. In fact somebody told me that if you are accused of being in a cabal when you actually are, that cabal rule #1 says that you are automatically banned from Wikipedia. In any case it's good to see the article stabilized. Smallbones( smalltalk ) 20:45, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

Daycare center & sex club
Smallbones, 7&amp;6=thirteen, Carptrash, TuckerResearch, Lockley, Ser Amantio di Nicolao, Buster7, Now THAT'S multipurpose use of a historic building. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 23:20, 10 May 2017 (UTC)


 * There's some kind of metaphor in there for contemporary American society, I can't help but think. Also the human condition, but that goes without saying. -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 00:36, 11 May 2017 (UTC)


 * And some people think that history is boring! Actually the 2 contending parties on Wikipedia calmed down after one day. Smallbones( smalltalk ) 01:15, 11 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Ser Amantio di Nicolao has gently admonished me that history is not boring. But that's not the only reading of my Username. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 02:15, 11 May 2017 (UTC)


 * "Honey. Can you watch the kids this afternoon?" "Sure, Dollface. I'll take them to that new day care center downtown. There's lots to play with there!" <em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:black">Buster Seven  <em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:black"> Talk  02:55, 11 May 2017 (UTC)


 * You're right...my story is not boring. Can't speak for anyone else's, though. :-)
 * (Also, talking about "boring" in this context is hilarious.) -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 05:15, 11 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Buster7, love the vignette. A couple years ago, a voyeurs club on South Street was shut down. The stud in their live shows turned out to be a police officer. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 11:42, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

So I read the link BHG sent and discovered, "it will be a private membership-based club where sexual activity will not be banned." This got me to thinking about Duffeeland Dog Park Club, of which I am the Vice President. I got out the charter and by-laws and goals and all that stuff and guess what I discovered? That's right, no where does it state that sexual activity is banned! Holy Cow. Wait until I bring this up at the next General Membership Meeting. Carptrash (talk) 14:50, 11 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Carptrash, Fido's Retreat? == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 15:41, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

Lotta Crabtree House
Great article, happy to see more Furness (and Philly-related) content!--MainlyTwelve (talk) 23:25, 3 June 2017 (UTC)
 * MainlyTwelve. Thank you. I agree (on more Philly/Furness). Glad Wiki Commons had a good image. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 23:38, 3 June 2017 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Modern Gothic cabinet (Metropolitan Museum of Art)
Could you tweak this? Thanks. <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 10:52, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

DYK for Modern Gothic cabinet
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

Request review of new article
Greetings. Wasn't sure who else to ask, but since you have an interest in things Philadelphia, I was wondering if you might look over an article I created for errors, suggestions, etc. WP article writing is not my cup of tea, especially citations. The subject is Philadelphia lawyer George Hussey Earle, Sr.—father of poet Florence Earle Coates. Hoping it passes the "notability" test. Thanks much if you can, and at your leisure, Londonjackbooks (talk) 21:16, 8 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Have had on my bookshelf A History of the Friends in America (A. Thomas, R. Thomas, 1919 [5th ed.])... Found a great section on Hicks vs. Elders in Philadelphia in Chapter Five. It is available at IA. Does not reference Earle's, however. Londonjackbooks (talk) 23:48, 12 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Londonjackbooks. My concern is that using the term "Free Quaker" for Earle will cause unnecessary confusion. BTW, I did make it to World War I in American Art, and thought it was terrific. Best, == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 00:06, 13 July 2017 (UTC)


 * I have no qualms with simply "Quaker." Thank you for your input! Glad you made the exhibit! I am no art critic, but I liked it as well. Very well-rounded with many different perspectives. Wish I could view the current Richards exhibit. Londonjackbooks (talk) 00:23, 13 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Londonjackbooks. An antiquarian after my own heart! Richards made a strong showing at the Philadelphia Antiques Show, back in April. Two vendors – Vareika and another – had a big selection. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 00:40, 13 July 2017 (UTC)


 * I think I once mentioned I thought Richards' Old Ocean's Gray inspired FE Coates' poem "Mid-Ocean"... Came to find a Richards painting entitled "Mid-Ocean" in a book I proofread at WS. Likely the true source of inspiration! Londonjackbooks (talk) 00:54, 13 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Londonjackbooks. Interesting. I was pleased to see Old Ocean's Gray and some other favorites when I was there in March. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 01:25, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

pix mix
Smallbones( smalltalk ) 00:28, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Washington Memorial Chapel
Good afternoon, I assume with the level of detail you've added to Washington Memorial Chapel, I assume you are a fellow member or are of Washington Memorial Heritage? I have a few DSLR-quality photos of the stained glass and would like to contribute them to the page.

Rickington (talk) 19:20, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Rickington. Not a member of either, but I started articles on Edward Maene and Nicola D'Ascenzo, and WMC includes important work by both. Your photos of the stained glass would be most welcome. Most of mine were lousy, which was why I uploaded so few of them.
 * Question: Do you know the sculptor of the Medary portrait plaque (vestibule to the cloister)? It was too dark to read when I was there. (My money is on Martha Maulsby Hovenden.) Best, == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 16:01, 9 August 2017 (UTC)
 * I don't know off the top of my head, I'm going to the Chapel tonight for a Carillon concert (19:30 local time) and will see if the artist's signature is on it, if not, I'll ask our resident historian. Rickington (talk) 17:07, 9 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Rickington. Thank you. Enjoy the concert. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 17:58, 9 August 2017 (UTC)
 * It seems that plaque of Medary was sculpted by his sister. Rickington (talk) 22:28, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Rickington. I couldn't find anything online about the sister. I've never been to a carillon concert at WMC, although I went to one at St. Thomas's, Whitemarsh. Best, == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 14:28, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

You might have some interest in ...
User:Smallbones/DelCo Public Libraries. The ultimate goal is to get a photo of every public library in the world. Might as well start with Helen Kate Furness. Smallbones( smalltalk ) 19:52, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Smallbones. Very nice. I've been on a John Fulton Folinsbee kick. I picked up a minor painting at auction, and began a deep dive into him. Unfortunately, his works remain under copyright, so no PD images. Hope you're well. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 13:52, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

Smallbones( smalltalk ) 17:51, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

I understand
that the literature claims that the Sedgwick County Memorial Hall and Soldiers and Sailors Monument is a Neoclassical monument, but really, isn’t Victorian eclectic a better description? Okay, so it’s got a couple of nice Ionic columns, but that dome thing? Where in Classical architecture are you going to find something like that? Not to mention the proportions, and all the other details? That’s got to go and I’m just the guy to do it!
 * PS, that statue is on my user page too, so, by definition, it's got to be a good idea. Carptrash (talk) 00:06, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Carptrash. Victoria had been dead for a decade by the time this was designed, so it's not Victorian Eclectic. I first considered Beaux-Arts architecture, but the monument's clunky dome is like a folk art version of the mansard domes of Napoleon III. The first comparable building I thought of was the Pennsylvania State Memorial, Gettysburg (1910). Awkward, but less so, and with more polished detailing. Maybe it was the inspiration for this monument.


 * I guess I was thinking of the perfectly proportioned Beaux Arts buildings of the 1910s and 1920s. Beaux Arts eclectic?


 * The statue photo was added by Smallbones, and yes, it probably belongs on my user page. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 02:39, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Well if you are going to get technical. How about dead but not forgotten? We actually (opinion) need an Article on American Eclectic Architecture, then we'd have a place to put it. I'll revert my edit (if someone has not already) and we'll proceed in some direction. Carptrash (talk) 04:17, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Perhaps we call it anything but link it to Eclecticism in architecture? Which has a section on N America. Carptrash (talk) 04:20, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Carptrash. With the mansard dome (square-base dome), it probably belongs in the Second Empire architecture category. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 13:28, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

I refuse to accept the concept of a granite mansard roof. But accept it. Carptrash (talk) 15:31, 31 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Carptrash. Found one (see image, right). == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 17:58, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Well, Philadelphia! In any case, I'd call this mausoleum "eclectic" rather than 2nd Empire. Carptrash (talk) 18:16, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Carptrash. Yes, Philadelphians are often eclectic, some eccentric, and others just plain odd. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 18:22, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
 * And, (grudgingly) you are right, this is a stone mansard. Carptrash (talk) 18:24, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

Well it sort of worked
but all I had to work with was some Kalua and a glass of milk. Imagine ordering that in a John Wayne movie. Still, it's not bad. Also the picture of the Iowa sculpture represents Iowa nurturing her subjects. Not my first guess. Carptrash (talk) 00:15, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Carptrash. Whatever gets you through the night, Pilgrim. The drink or the maiden ...
 * My guess is you'll be creating your own Userboxes. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 02:12, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Still need to get through the evening, before getting through the night. Then tomorrow I need to get to the store to get (1) dog food and (2) Jack Daniels, since that seems to the the toast-of-choice for real wikipedians. Then maybe some user boxes.  Actually, I have already made one, which has not, I notice, been picked up and gone viral. Carptrash (talk) 02:41, 3 September 2017 (UTC)

Clearly an improvement but you do realize that this forces me into a massive retaliation on your user page, don't you? Carptrash (talk) 14:50, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Carptrash. I made some errors. Both Userboxes are wikilinked to Sudoku (I used that Userbox at a guide). I fixed both thru the links on my User page, but they were published with the errors. You're welcome to play around with them (access them thru the links on my User page). When you're done, let me know and I'll republish them. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 15:15, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm done. I know as much about using my computer as I do my car.  How to turn it on, more-or-less get to where I'm going and turn it off.  What you did is fine with me. Carptrash (talk) 15:33, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Carptrash. Your choice. But if you change you mind (and I think you'll at least play around with them), I can republish them. The next step is whether you want to put them in the Userbox gallery and make them easy for others to find and use. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 15:44, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Not a driving motivation for me.Carptrash (talk) 20:47, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Carptrash. I'm wrong. The changes I made thru the links on my User page DID correct the wikilinks on your Userboxes. What power! == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 20:39, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

Please see commonscat
Commons:Category:Chalfant House, Kennett Square, Pennsylvania

Smallbones( smalltalk ) 03:03, 24 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Smallbones. Very nice. Great that you got inside. Here's what the catalogue says:
 * 292A. William S. Chalfont house
 * Kennett Square
 * c. 1884
 * Here was the last gasp of the 1870s center-hall suburban houses with the biggest flaring chimneys yet seen, anchored within the mass of the house by their fireplaces. Details such as the quarter lunette windows in dormers (like those of the Veterinary Hospital, cat. 283) and the massive turned newels became stock features in the 1880s.
 * == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 11:45, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Is it worth its own article? It could be as a contributing building to the Kennett Square Historic District. The nomination form only gives it 2-3 lines but says the architect is unknown. There are 3-4 other sources - small articles mostly about the 2014 fire - that give Furness credit.  I only saw 1 quarter-lunette window and have a bad photo of it.  But I can always go back and get more photos on a bright sunny day.  Some ironwork and 2 gargoyles on a fireplace are pretty amazing, but I need a tripod for the inside work.  There's also a pretty big "wall safe".  The real estate agency which now uses it as offices is very cooperative.  Smallbones( smalltalk ) 13:24, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Smallbones. The "A" in the catalogue number stands for attributed, so documentation hasn't been found, but there's no reason to doubt that Furness & Evans designed the house. Probably not FF himself, but the office staff riffing in his style. The chimneys border on caricature. More likely a section in the Kennett Square Historic District article than a stand-alone piece (at least to start). == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 14:10, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

Halloween cheer!
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WP:CLEAN

 * Don't cleanup any nudes saints, please. Carptrash (talk) 00:37, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Carptrash (talk) 00:38, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Nothing against nude saints, but I suspect that Newman's nude St. Joan may be unique. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 00:41, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
 * It turns out (p552 of that link) that She is the "genius of America" and his St Joan is probably another medal. Carptrash (talk) 00:44, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
 * There's a link in the list of works. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 00:49, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Oh, this nude St. Joan with shield?Carptrash (talk) 00:51, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
 * The drapery is gauzy enough that I'm going to call it a full nude. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 00:54, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Not a lot there. Carptrash (talk) 00:58, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
 * WHAT A SEXIST REMARK!!! (unless you mean the gauze) == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 01:01, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, the gauze. She was a 16 year old after all. Carptrash (talk) 03:39, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi, man! == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 03:56, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for your contributions to daughters of the Confederacy
I was working on an article and wondering if you might be able to find and upload images of that Monument. The Jefferson Davis Park, Washington holds the stone markers from the old Highway 99 project Jefferson Davis Highway of the Daughters of Confederate Veterans. I'm having problems finding image I can use. Thanks for your time. C. W. Gilmore (talk) 03:59, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
 * I looked on Wiki Commons and could find no images of Jefferson Davis Park, Washington. I also could not find any public domain images online. You might want to make an image request on the Commons. Best, == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 14:42, 17 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I made an email request from the owners of the park and may just take a day trip to take my own images and upload them. Thanks again for looking. C. W. Gilmore (talk) 09:55, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
 * I got the photos taken and uploaded, not the best, but it was a rainy autumn day in the Pacific Northwest. I will have to wait for a clear and breezy day to take pictures of the flags.  Thanks for the help. C. W. Gilmore (talk) 09:55, 26 November 2017 (UTC)

How are you at redirects?
There should (opinion) be a redirect at Allen Newman sending one to Allen George Newman because that is what he is mostly known as. There was/is a strong tendency amoung folks to include middle names on article when they really (another opinion) should not. But I never really did redirects, so. . . . . ........? Perhaps I'll try if you are off socializing or something. Carptrash (talk) 21:50, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Never mind - I got it and it actually works. Carptrash (talk) 21:53, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
 * I was just about to do it for you. #REDIRECT Template:T1 <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 21:54, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks 13, tho I have no idea what your stuff means and a look at the template does not seem to help. Is there more I need to do?  Carptrash (talk) 22:33, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
 * & 7&amp;6=thirteen: Thanks, guys. He's most often "Allen Newman" in the literature, but signed his work "Allen G. Newman." Best, == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 01:30, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
 * If you want to do a redirect for Allen G Newman, go for it but I doubt it will get many hits. Doubting Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 04:29, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
 * And how did you catch my misspelling on Widener (which I just corrected on my bibliography)? Carptrash (talk) 18:23, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Widener's a famous name in Philadelphia. P.A.B. was a crook, and died with a fortune estimated at $23B (in 2000 dollars). I wondered if the author was a relation. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 03:05, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
 * My guy goes to Eastern Illinois University so probably not from the Robber Baron line. Though with Black sheep, and all that?? Carptrash (talk) 04:27, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!
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Hi, I wish you and your family a very Merry Christmas and a very Happy New Year,

Thanks for all your help and contributions on the 'pedia! ,

– Davey 2010 Merry Xmas / Happy New Year 13:22, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

A barnstar for you

 * I Second That Emotion ! Carptrash (talk) 18:33, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

Seasons' Greetings
...to you and yours, from the Great White North! FWiW Bzuk (talk) 04:14, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

Merry, merry Christmas


Smallbones( smalltalk ) 04:17, 25 December 2017 (UTC)
 * @7&amp;6=thirteen:
 * Thank you merry gentlemen. I wish the best to each of you, also. I just got home from midnight mass, and am renewing my acquaintance with Jack Daniel's. Cheers! ==BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 05:52, 25 December 2017 (UTC)

Raleigh C. Gildersleeve
Any idea who this architect might be? As far as I can tell he built a couple of buildings around the Princeton campus about 1900, including the Campus Club. The reason I ask is that he must have had a remarkable sense of humor. His gargoyles include the Prof-football player confrontation pictured, and on the same doorway what appears to be 2 young ladies showing off their backsides. Any help appreciated. Smallbones( smalltalk ) 18:31, 27 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Smallbones. I'd never heard of him (and at first thought this might be a joke). PAB has very little on him: https://www.philadelphiabuildings.org/pab/app/ar_display_projects.cfm/720731
 * I know Edward Maene's studio carved the gargoyles at Penn. He was used by Cope & Stewardson, Wilson Eyre, and other architects.
 * Hope you had a nice Christmas. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 00:10, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
 * The Field Guide to Architectural Sculpture in the United States is copying this picture and is very interested in any more information you might have on it and others on the same building. The Princeton Eating Club does not show up in either The Gargoyles of Princeton University or the companion The Spires of PU However Gildersleeve, a name that sounds a lot as if it came out of a student comic review, does show up in the gargoyle tome as being the author of McCosh Hall, (1907), which seems to have many similar gargoyles.  Which are actually grotesques. Carptrash (talk) 18:21, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

It is surprising
that there is not a good book on George Grey (Gray?) Bernard (Barnard?). I have a book dedicated to his standing Lincoln, which was quite a controversy in its day, but nothing even as good as the article you have created. Carptrash (talk) 18:02, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the compliments. "Grey" (with an E) was his grandmother's maiden name.
 * Thanks for finding the Armory Show references, I never would have thought to look there. His work was modern sculpture of the time, and some critics saw him as the heir to Saint-Gaudens. A shame that he spent so much of his later decades on projects that never came to fruition&mdash;giant head of Lincoln, Rainbow Arch, etc.
 * Barnard had me so obsessed that I never wished a Happy New Year to the scores the people who helped me or improved articles that I worked on in 2017. Something I should remedy. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 03:38, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I found the Armory connection years ago while tracking down the Prodigal Son I stumbled across in Louisville. It bubbled up through my gray matter (grey matter?) after watching you kick A on that article. Carptrash (talk) 18:01, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks. The list of works is good, but the article needs a lot more fleshing out. Especially, the last 2 decades of his life. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 18:05, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

Thanks kindly...


...for your lovely fox, and for the reminder of what we're supposed to get falling tonight.

Two things: one, I treated myself to this for Christmas - $60 on Amazon, if you're interested. It's a fascinating read, though full of errors; even so I've been using it as a source to create some articles on DC's artistic scene. Very useful.

Two (and pinging to the conversation as well): funny to see George Grey Barnard mentioned, especially as I stumbled across his name in something I was reading last night. He was friends (nothing more, to my knowledge) with Anna Bilinska, who was the subject of my senior project in college. In my research on her I turned up mention of a portrait she had done of him around 1884 or so that had been sent to his family home in Chicago from Paris; I lost trace of it after that. Long story short, it's now in the collection of the State Museum of Pennsylvania, and I really ought to pay it a visit. Something for later in the year, perhaps... -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 16:54, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Carptrash was just commenting (see directly above) that there is no good biography of Barnard. His Pennsylvania State Capitol sculpture groups became a national joke when legislators ordered plaster of Paris pants to be applied to the male nudes. Then his gawky Lincoln was attacked. He went from being the heir apparent to Saint-Gaudens to semi-obscurity. Carptrash found that he exhibited at the 1913 Armory Show, but no (completed) major works in the last 2 decades of his life.
 * From the b&w photos I've seen, the Bilinska portrait appears to be extraordinary, Barnard holding his own in the foreground as his Two Natures looms around him. I remember that the PA State Museum closed in a cost-cutting measure several years ago. I think it now may be open with restricted hours.
 * I got the catalogue to World War I in American Art for Christmas, and bought myself First Modern, a history of PAFA's building. I've flipped thru them, but haven't sat down to read them. Best, == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 17:36, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the notice - I hadn't realized the museum had had issues. When I finally get around to it I'll give them a call. What I would love to do, ultimately, is to develop an exhibit of her work, possibly for the National Museum of Women in the Arts...don't know how much standing I'd have as a semipro historian, but I'd love to try. She really was an extraordinary artist - we were in Krakow, a few years ago, and her self-portrait is on display there in the museum at the Cloth Hall. My father commented at the time that it stood out - it's much the finest work on display. Lots of her stuff in Warsaw, too, if you ever have a chance to visit.


 * I got the sense that Barnard devoted a lot of his later years toward medievalism, rather than sculpture - I believe his collection was the lion's share of the basis for the Cloisters in New York. Or am I off-base there? -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 18:04, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I am getting green with envy reading about all these great reads. I first got interested in Washington DCs arts while visiting the city in 1969 and have gone back several times over the decades. So  I am looking for so good additions from you.  PS you are right about the Cloisters, no surprise there. Carptrash (talk) 18:10, 16 January 2018 (UTC)


 * I've done a few (Susan Brown Chase, Lola Sleeth Miller, Bertha E. Perrie, Mary Gine Riley, Clara Hill), with more to come; I know of at least four artists with semi-major local connections that we are yet lacking (Richard Norris Brooke, Edmund C. Messer, James Alexander Simpson, and Ulric Stonewall Jackson Dunbar). Fodder for a little bit later in the year, perhaps. Most had ties to the late, lamented Corcoran Gallery of Art and the Corcoran College of Art and Design. *sob* -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 18:17, 16 January 2018 (UTC)


 * You're right on target. And the cloister at the Philadelphia Museum of Art was bought from Barnard. Subsequent research determined that the Met and PMA each got the other's fountain, but they decided not to switch.
 * Let me post an image of the Bilinska portrait (just b&w). == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 18:19, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
 * My version of history (always suspect) is that Barnard started collecting architectural fragment (some quite large) while finding himself poverty stricken in Europe, as an attempt to earn money. When there was little interest in them he developed some major backers who helped set up the Cloisters.  I think he found himself financially embarrassed in many different continents.  But I should reread the excellent wikipedia article on him before making too many more claims. Carptrash (talk) 18:25, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I've only ever seen the portrait in black and white. When it was carted west across the Atlantic it pricked the interest of a couple of papers - one in Chicago and one, if memory serves, in Pennsylvania. (Memory may not serve - it's been the better part of fifteen years since I looked at the documentary material.) Beyond that and an illustration, it was all I could dig up in Poland in 2005. Seems to have been the extent of her American adventures, too - she spent the bulk of her career in France and exhibited quite a bit in England. -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 18:28, 16 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Found it. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 19:18, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Huh. 1898 - wonder where it was then. At any rate, it seems like he kept it with him for the rest of his life, which is nice to know. :-) -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 20:10, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I think this photograph was taken in his parents' house, which might have been Kankakee, Illinois. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 20:16, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
 * That squares with the information I remember from my earlier research. I believe that the documentation I found indicates that it was sent to his parents' house after painting...at the time, I believe they lived on Lake Shore Drive.


 * Let me look later this week...I still have digital copies of everything somewhere at home. I may be able to find the relevant clipping. -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 20:54, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Lake Shore Drive might be right. Once his minister father retired, his parents may have left Kankakee.
 * Congrats on the interview. I enjoyed reading it. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 23:08, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

Glad you enjoyed. And thanks for the walk down memory lane...I really need to do something with all of that work from college. *sigh* -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 06:30, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
 * According to the catalogue of the 1963 Barnard centennial exhibition, the portrait was hung in his parents' house in Madison, Indiana (gotta love the deer head). Curious that the catalogue describes the portrait as "lost." And nice that it gives its date as 1890. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 13:07, 18 January 2018 (UTC)


 * 'Smatter, you don't like a little venison with your paintings?


 * 1890 is quite possible...as I say, it's been a few years since I looked at the documentation. As for "lost", I suspect that just means they didn't look as hard as they should have in the right places. Though I will admit to more than a little sympathy; when I was researching her in 2005, I, too, was prepared to call the painting "lost". The internet has really changed research for the better in that regard.


 * I also suspect that a lot of her known paintings are "lost" in the same way. They're out there, but because she's not a particularly well-known artist, people are sitting on them without any interest in doing anything about them. She isn't even the subject of that much literature, really. And most of that is within the broader context of women artists of her era. -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 15:39, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
 * As a habitual oversharer on Wikipedia, I'd urge you to hold onto your work and do something major with it. To quote Fats Waller: "Don't, just, give it away . . . . . . . Get cash for your trash!" == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 15:57, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Well, hers is one article I haven't edited yet...not much. She kept a scrapbook for much of her too-brief career, and I have a digitized copy of it, courtesy of the Jagiellonian University (which holds the original.) One of these days I need to find a way to couple with a museum to see what can be done with it. It's a fascinating document - I'd love, ideally, to see some kind of publication put together. -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 16:28, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Good. I hope you do it. I love it when artists create portraits of other artists. They're showing off to some extent, and the results are often among their best and most sympathetic work. The ambition of Bilińska's Barnard portrait is wonderful&mdash;a young Hercules having vanquished his giant. Maybe she was inspired by his own outsized ambition. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 18:14, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
 * She's a fascinating artist, to me; she came of age at a pivotal moment in Poland's artistic development, when a lot of her contemporaries were turning away from the old-fashioned genre realism espoused by French academics and towards a new marriage of Polish history/culture and forward-looking artistic techniques. A lot of her contemporaries, who lived in Krakow, were fascinated by Symbolism, Impressionism, varieties of post-Impressionism...meanwhile she remained in Paris for the bulk of her career, producing excellent genre work and the like. She was an avowed anti-Impressionist (her letters home attest to this), and as she lived abroad she was otherwise insulated from the artistic developments at home. Interestingly - and I never pursued this point much further - near the end of her life, soon after her marriage, she returned to Poland with her husband...but to Warsaw, not to Krakow. Krakow was the home of the avant-garde, and I've always found it interesting that she decided to return to the capitol instead.


 * A phenomenally interesting artist, appreciation of whose work is hampered, I think, by the fact that what she did has fallen out of fashion and still doesn't seem, to me, to have regained the popularity it deserves. -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 19:00, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Is this the self-portrait that so impressed your dad? I live in Philadelphia, so we have a long tradition of realistic portraiture, PAFA, and, of course, Eakins. This feels very familiar. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 20:02, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
 * That's the one. Probably her best-known. If you're interested in it, and in women artists more generally, I highly recommend Frances Borzello's book Seeing Ourselves: Women's Self-Portraits. She discusses it among many other works, and makes some interesting points. (Like that, mentioned in the article, about the artist-as-model.)


 * This was my own first introduction to her art - my grandmother had a postcard of it in a box of Soviet postcards that she brought when she emigrated. I had the chance to see it when I was in Warsaw in '05; today it hangs over the chief curator's desk at the Narodowe Muszeum, and they don't know what to do with it. -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 20:11, 18 January 2018 (UTC)


 * It's a terrific portrait, and your family's tradition of appreciating Bilińska is neat.
 * Eakins studied under Gerome, and remade the school at PAFA in the 1870s, modeling it on the École des Beaux-Arts. Things went well for a decade, until the notorious "loincloth Incident." I have a friend who did either her master's or PhD on the École's teaching methods. I'll ask her about Bilińska. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 02:10, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Well, to be fair - I think she just brought whatever boxes of postcards she could with her. That was one of...a thousand, easy. Mostly Russian stuff, or stuff from Russian collections.


 * Bilinska was actually a student at the Académie Julian - she may have been affiliated with the École des Beaux-Arts at some point, but I'm not sure. I remember that Julian would allow select students to pay for their tuition in work rather than money, if they were poor and he felt they were worth it, and he felt she was. She tutored one of the beginner classes for a time, after her father died and left her destitute. That was also after the rheumatic fever...and the death of her fiance... -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 02:27, 19 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Still. I'll ask my friend. She's an expert on the period, especially American expatriates. -- BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 02:58, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Oh, please do - I wonder if her name crops up in connection with any others besides Barnard. Most of the literature I referred to upthread is about women students at the Julian - she's often front and center in those discussions. -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 03:09, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

Belated best wishes for a happy 2018
Same to you!!! Thanks for the note. FieldMarine (talk) 19:45, 16 January 2018 (UTC)


 * More same to you. Thanks for the image. Hmains (talk) 03:45, 17 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Likewise. MinorProphet (talk) 03:54, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

Greetings
Same to you! It is quite the publication. I have yet to read through all the essays, but will. Have been writing about the life of Mrs. Coates. The holidays have been a distraction, but I plan to pick up the pace again soon. Lots to read on that particular time period in Philadelphia history in order to complement the scant information available on the poet! Best in the New Year, Londonjackbooks (talk) 15:33, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

P.S. The name Furness may be familiar to you. I have just recently finished proofreading Frank Furness' brother Horace Howard Furness' oration, "On Shakespeare, or, What you will" at Wikisource. You are more than likely familiar with Frank as architect of PAFA et. al. Londonjackbooks (talk) 15:40, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the greetings. "World War I in American Art" is approaching the end of its U.S tour. Although, I think the Sargeant is going to stay on in Kansas City, Missouri thru the summer. I also haven't made it thru all the essays.
 * My favorite professor from university is an authority on Frank Furness, and the co-author of the PAFA book. His biography of FF is coming out next month, what I hope will be the culmination of a 46-year career. The Furness family was quite extraordinary&mdash;4 generations of notable accomplishment. Best, == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 16:52, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

The source for Furness
Hey BHG. I was doing some article cleanup on the articles in the scope of WikiProject Shakespeare and ran across some text on Horace Howard Furness that is tagged as lacking cites. On looking over the revision history, it looks like you added the text in question in an edit back in 2008 (and the following couple edits). Is there any chance you recall, or is able to dig up, what the source for these claims was? There are now lots of instances of people copying that text from our article, so Google isn't being particularly helpful. In any case, I figure it's a long shot, but worth a try. Glad to see you're still around! --Xover (talk) 15:52, 15 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the heads-up. I have no doubt that the statements are factual, but WHERE did I find them? I was a lot less scrupulous about sources a decade ago. I'll keep looking. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 21:16, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks. The wording suggests that you're paraphrasing there, so I had a hope it might be possible to trace where it came from. --Xover (talk) 11:22, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

Muhlenberg portrait
Very nice work. It's one of my favorite portraits in the Portrait Gallery collection. Incidentally, his brother wagged his pow not too far from here during the Revolution - out in Woodstock. There's a memorial to him on the courthouse porch, if I remember correctly. -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 02:15, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
 * It's exciting to hear about the pendant. I didn't realize The Speaker's House was being restored for museum purposes, so I'll have to add it to my list of places to visit one of these days. Shouldn't be too much of a drive from here.


 * Speaking of...one of these summer weekends I want to check out the Washington County Museum of Fine Arts in Hagerstown. Ever been? -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 03:31, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Three hours? Feh, that's nothing. Used to go to Mercersburg for cross-country in high school. -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 05:43, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Depends on where and when. I spent a little more than a week driving through the deep South last year. I spent a lot of that time on the interstate, which wasn't as much fun as I'd have liked. But I really enjoy the kind of back-road driving I was able to do in North Carolina. That's where a lot of the most interesting history is, after all. Same kind of thing I do driving around Fairfax County from time to time, actually. -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 16:43, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Well, by the end of the trip I'd been able to push most of the interstate driving to evenings and nights. I started one day in the Anniston, Alabama area - hit Freedom Riders National Monument, Horseshoe Bend National Military Park, a couple of back-county towns, and was in Atlanta at nightfall. After dinner I carried on through to Spartanburg, South Carolina. The next day I hit a couple of sites in Spartanburg before heading to Hickory, North Carolina. Traversed Alexander County in search of the one National Register site therein, and found the grave of a Continental Congressman before I was back on the interstate. Kept going until Harrisonburg, Virginia that night. I don't actually mind, as long as there's something there to see. -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 23:56, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Master planner? You don't know me vewwy weww, as the little yellow bird used to say. The right things just fell together by the end of the trip. Besides, I have the advantage of traveling solo and so not having to worry too much about anyone's schedule other than my own. Gives me a lot of flexibility. Sorry you missed the fundraiser, but hopefully you'll have a chance to see the museum once it's been opened. -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 02:47, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Well, it's a good story - it's always nice to find a painting that was considered lost. Don't know if larger fry would consider it, though...I'd love to see something like that in the Post, but I'm not holding my breath. -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 02:54, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

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Fatland (Audubon, Pennsylvania)
I see this is all your doing--fascinating stuff. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 16:56, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I'm a sucker for a building with a good story. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 17:06, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Me too. Now this one, Sancaklar Mosque, is fairly new so it doesn't have much story yet--but I wonder, since you know buildings and how to write articles on them, if you can add to it. I'm sure there's a DYK in the making. (There's a picture on Commons but it's slated for deletion given unclear copyright status...) Thanks, Drmies (talk) 17:13, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
 * If you think this building is extraordinary, research the hell out of it and make your case as to why. Having an image is extremely important. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 17:46, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

Thanks
for the "thanks"... I am so rarely at WP, but I get notifications from sister projects at Wikisource—where I primarily reside. I was glad to be able to add an image of Caroline Furness Jayne, who Florence Earle Coates knew and wrote a poem about. Hope all is well! Londonjackbooks (talk) 22:48, 27 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Things are fine in Philadelphia. I didn't know about the Chase portrait. Thanks for posting it.
 * After Caroline's death, HHF commissioned a Tiffany window for the First Unitarian Church (his father's church). The memorial window features a portrait of Caroline:
 * I should get down there and take a photograph of it. Best, == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 23:02, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

another wikiWonder

 * Thank you, . . . one wikiclod to another. It's a relief to have it posted. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 22:53, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

And I got A through F
List of American sculptors exhibited at the 1893 World's Columbian Exposition, and still going. . .....not so strong. Carptrash (talk) 22:48, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Great. They'll go together well. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 22:53, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

List of American painters exhibiting at the 1893 World's Columbian Exposition
Something is wrong in the table at the William Sargeant Kendall entry. But I can't determine what the correct information should be. Rmhermen (talk) 01:58, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks, folks, it's now fixed.

Guess what I just found?
No wonder this seemed the way to go. List of New Deal murals Carptrash (talk) 05:19, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
 * One very good thing about your new (old) list is that it is for New Deal murals, so it can include non-WPA. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 12:10, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

Another Editor of the Week
User:Carptrash submitted the following nomination for Editor of the Week:
 * I nominate BoringHistoryGuy for Editor of the Week due to his Herculenian Labors in and around the List of American painters exhibiting at the 1893 World's Columbian Exposition article. Starting with a huge amount of research followed by the construction of an amazing chart and finally tracking down and dealing with the copyright issues of many dozens of images, he has created an article that is Wikipedia at its best.  A glance at the article’s history reveals that he has done this almost entirely on his own. (I had one edit, he had 300)  This sort of dedication is what the award was created for. That he has been awarded this before only shows what a consistently good editor he is.

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 * Thanks again for your efforts! &#8213; Buster7  &#9742;   23:41, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
 * ,, and anyone else involved in this:  Thank you very much. This is most unexpected.
 * I have to admit that I anticipated that the 1893 World's Columbian Expo list would take about a week. It wound up taking the better part of a month, and still needs work. But I'm pleased with what's done.
 * Thank you for your kindness. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 02:27, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

Frances Hunt Throop
Hi BHG, For the List of American painters exhibited at the 1893 World's Columbian Exposition, please see the new article on Frances Hunt Throop. I don't know how to add her to your table. Best, WAU WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 17:48, 25 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Thank you for starting the article on Throop. The WCE catalogue lists 2 paintings exhibited in the Place of Fine Arts, Spring Carnations (which turns out to be a portrait) and Portrait of a Lady. I haven't been able to find images of either. Do you know if Throop also exhibited in the Woman's Building or one of the individual state buildings? Best, == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 18:09, 25 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Okay, I see you've posted an image of Spring Carnations. Great! == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 18:12, 25 September 2018 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thank you very much. I'm glad you started the article.
 * I'd been vaguely aware of Schofield, but saw The Hill Country at a Philadelphia museum back in April, and thought: "This is a superb painting. Why don't I know about this artist?" I tend to get obsessive, as I did here. One thing I'd like to find out is which painting won him the silver medal at the 1926 Sesqui-Centennial. I know the 3 works he exhibited, but was the medal for one of them or for the group?
 * Best, == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 13:41, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

Life, or that which passes for it
… has been odd. And not that good. I am in New Mexico and can't get to my email. Have had eye surgery that required two surgeons, and my dog Gabe has needed two surgeries. He is taking it better. So editing has been just a few odd things rather than ............  a lot of odd things. Cheers. Carptrash (talk) 23:08, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm glad you had the surgery. I hope it's as successful as the first eye. I'd like to see you and your camera back out on the road.
 * Wishing the best for you (and Gabe). == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 00:38, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Ha -this surgery was to fix the f**k-up in the first eye surgery, so we hope it is in reality more successful. Carptrash (talk) 23:43, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Got it. You hadn't complained, so I presumed things had gone well the first time. My sentiments and good wishes stand. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 00:33, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Best wishes, Carp, and hope for success and a healthy recovery. Thoughts and Prayers, my friend, thoughts and prayers. &#8213; Buster7  &#9742;   16:57, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
 * A few days ago they stuck a syringe in my eye and sucked out . . ..... something to lower the pressure.  For 24 hours.  I am back to Albu tomorrow. Carptrash (talk) 04:52, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Yikes! Hang in there. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 14:16, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

Peace Dove Christmas
Happy Holidays. &#8213; Buster7  &#9742;   00:06, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the Christmas greetings. I wish the same to you. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 12:49, 11 December 2018 (UTC)

danke schoen
thanks for the tip, BHG, I'll follow up with our friend, and if it's not too early here's to a wonderful holiday season to you and yours! all best --Lockley (talk) 03:40, 16 December 2018 (UTC)

Sarah Fisher Ames
Hi! I just updated Sarah Fisher Ames. You may want to add her to your List of American sculptors exhibited at the 1893 World's Columbian Exposition table. Best,WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 20:35, 22 December 2018 (UTC)

Thank you very much. Merry Christmas to you, too. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 17:34, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you. Happy new year to you too!Zigzig20s (talk) 16:55, 31 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Same - Happy New Year! Wishing you and yours all the best. Semper Fi! FieldMarine (talk) 19:07, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

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 * – Send New Year cheer by adding {{subst:Happy New Year}} to user talk pages.
 * Wow. Thank you. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 14:33, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

Happy New Year
Thank you for your message on my talk page, I hope 2019 treats you well!--MainlyTwelve (talk) 19:23, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

2019
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Die Zeit, die Tag und Jahre macht

Happy 2019

a time for thanks and praise

begin it with music and memories

Thank you for your great image with good wishes! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:44, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

Please check out "Happy" once more, for a smile, and sharing (a Nobel Peace Prize), and resolutions. I wanted that for 1 January, but then wasn't sad about having our music pictured instead. Not too late for resolutions, New Year or not. DYK that he probably kept me on Wikipedia, back in 2012? By the line (which brought him to my attention, and earned the first precious in br'erly style) that I added to my editnotice, in fond memory? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:07, 12 January 2019 (UTC)

Retta T. Matthews
Hi! I just finished a short article on Retta T. Matthews. You may want to add her to your List of American sculptors exhibited at the 1893 World's Columbian Exposition table. BTW- I cannot find a public domain image of her sculpture Indiana (statue), but added a fair use image in the article for the sculpture. Perhaps you may have a way of locating a PD image. Best, WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 23:30, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I found this image on Wiki Commons. Unfortunately, the Wikipedia team pictured didn't post an image of the sculpture without themselves in it.
 * Sculpture is frustrating (and now architecture in the European Union), since the work can be PD (as is this) but the photograph is not unless specifically released.
 * I set up the List of American sculptors exhibited at the 1893 World's Columbian Exposition for Carptrash to play with. Assembling the paintings took almost a month, and it's still at least a third incomplete. I'll add Matthews and the sculptor you sent me last month to the page (probably tomorrow).
 * Keep up the good work! Best, == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 02:41, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Hurt me, hurt me. I believe that I once had a picture of this work but lost it when my house was hit my lightning and my computer fried and I lost several thousand images.  There is one place where I can look, I will, but I am not hopeful.  Okay, I am hopeful, but not optomistic. Carptrash (talk) 04:08, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
 * It's a silly photo (with the whole team), but at least it's an image. I hope you're well. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 16:24, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
 * If you can't be with the one you love, love the one you're with. AKA, you make do with what you have. I am still feeling over medicated for my eyes but we (me and the doctors) have the pressure down to a good number.  So, one thing at a time.  And you? Carptrash (talk) 18:35, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Oh, I'm fine. Cold weather here, high of 16 yesterday and 20s today; going above freezing tomorrow. We escaped the heavy snows western PA and New England got. Outside looks like an Elmer Schofield painting. I went to an exhibit of Pennsylvania Impressionists last week, and thoroughly enjoyed it. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 19:18, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

a couple of pictures
Rather than try and work these into your chart myself, I figure I'll just pass them on to you, like the baton in a relay race and let you run the final lap. They are from the Federal Building in Cleveland. Enjoy Carptrash (talk) 04:39, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Hmmm. They would not allow me to take a picture of "Memory" at Chesterwood (Massachusetts).  I've been scooped. Carptrash (talk) 05:14, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I guess it pays NOT to ask permission. Although I remember something about Louis Sullivan stencils. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 05:30, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, one of the 27 Rules that I live my life by is 'If I can't take 'NO' for the answer, I don't ask the question."Carptrash (talk) 05:43, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I like that rule. I went with another pair of images for the Cleveland Courthouse. SIRIS has nothing on Genius of Creation or Eve. Do you have images/sources/more info? == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 14:15, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Years ago I managed to score a "DRAFT" "Complete works of DCF" from Chesterwood. SO far (page7) I have found both an "Eve" and a "Genius of Creation" - located at Chesterwood. No date or material, I'd guess both are plaster.  I am continuing in the list.  And am done with p. 14 - the last - and there is no more of either one. I'll check a few other sources, but I rarely (if ever) find stuff not on the master list. Carptrash (talk) 15:21, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Here is "Genius of Creation" it took me a while to figure out it was from the PPII - or whatever. This should work. Carptrash (talk) 15:56, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
 * That's a glorious image. Well worth waiting for. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 16:04, 30 January 2019 (UTC)

Lockley posted an image of the Hotel Astor ballroom, that may show Konti's Three Graces. Hint: Look up. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 18:27, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I have worked with Lockley for maybe 12 years and he is 100% okay 99.997% accurate. But I will check, Carptrash (talk) 19:21, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I looked it up in my Konti book and it even mentions Munson being 16 at the time. Current whereabouts unknown.  Also, here is "Liberty" from the Wisconsic St Cap. Carptrash (talk) 20:01, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks. That's a far better image of Liberty than Wiki Commons has. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 20:39, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I was there for the right time of day for that one, but there are fourpediments on the building so they are not all this good. Carptrash (talk) 21:19, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I didn't mean look it UP. I meant look at the 3rd balcony in the image. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 23:05, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
 * (Spoken rather stiffly) I can find the sculpture in the picture. Carptrash (talk) 04:38, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Okay, sorry. What I don't know is if The Three Graces has been published (before). And I wonder if the Hudson River Museum's Three Muses has that same triangular composition. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 13:03, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

I'm kidding BHG, and Lockley has even more of a sense of humor than I do. I have a picture of Konti's "Three Muses" and it is quite different. They are standing in a fairly tight group so the composition is more vertical. If that is the work you mean. Carptrash (talk) 16:00, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Do you have a year for Konti's "Three Muses"? == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 16:09, 31 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Oh boy, an argument on wikipedia! They are so rare, I am lucky to find one.  May I join in by adding an image?  Image first, a couple of bratty opinions to follow later.    --Lockley (talk) 19:42, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Perhaps an argument, I prefer to think of it as a process toward clarification. Your image is most welcome! As was the image you posted of the Hotel Astor ballroom, above. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 20:04, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for thanks, but thank you and the others for developing a really nice table and page. Nice work. Randy Kryn (talk) 20:12, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I appreciate your kind words. It is turning out well. Best, == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 20:18, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

Henry Drinker
Hello, BHG. I have posted a comment on the talk page for Henry Drinker that I think may be of interest to you, and on which you may be able to shed helpful light. Would appreciate your feedback. PDGPA (talk) 21:49, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
 * I reverted the deletion and then re-edited it, per your suggestions. Please take a look and make any further edits you feel are called for. My goal is to show Drinker as the important personage he was, both in law and in music, without omitting the published criticism. PDGPA (talk) 02:16, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
 * I think that's a worthy goal. And I think what you've written withstands scrutiny. That doesn't mean someone won't delete it, but it's more likely to be reverted and to last. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 03:13, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Your editorial expertise and input would again be welcome at the Henry Drinker talk page. PDGPA (talk) 21:02, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

The Audrey Munson Barn Star Maiden Award
Congratulations, you are one of a very select few to receive this seldom coveted award. Carptrash (talk) 20:12, 14 February 2019 (UTC)


 * I don't know what to say, except to quote Sally Field: "You like me … You really like me." == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 20:24, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

Faith Chapel
I like what you've done to Jeykll Island. One thing, you added the Historic District tag to Faith Chapel (Jekyll Island, Georgia). It is part of a HD, but it is on the NRHP on its own. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 05:36, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I like your photos. I think Faith Chapel is cited correctly, as both a separately listed NRHP site and a contributing structure in a NHLD district. Rockefeller Cottage is cited the same way.
 * If you visit Jekyll Island again, I hope you'll take photos of the minor buildings. (I'm a bit of a completist.)
 * Best, ==BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 11:52, 8 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Yes, I thought about more photos yesterday (to do when it gets cool enough to go outside). I live in that county.  Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 17:42, 8 June 2019 (UTC)


 * That's terrific! But I guess it's not that much of a coincidence.
 * If you don't mind a personal request, please take some photos of the Walter Rogers Furness Cottage. That's what got me interested in Jekyll Island in the first place. I suspect James W. Fassitt was the building's primary designer (he died soon after it was completed). Walter worked for the firm on and off. Or it might be by Frank himself. But it is a beauty.
 * Best, ==BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 18:18, 8 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Yes, I can get that house. I concentrate on NRHP sites that don't have a photo, but a secondary objective is to get better photos.  So much depends on the camera, lighting, angle, and getting vegitation, signs, and light poles out of the way.  Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 18:37, 8 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Understood. I'm a lousy photographer, but will post my images on Commons if there are no others. Thank you. ==BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 18:44, 8 June 2019 (UTC)

It is a lot of walking to cover the whole area. I've walked by the small buildings on Pier Road many times on the way to the more interesting stuff, but not much attention to them. Anyhow, I downloaded a map and planned out a visit to get most of the rest of the buildings. I'll probably do it soon on a day in which the weather is OK. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 16:41, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I look forward to what you come up with. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 20:56, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
 * The Field Guide to Architectural Sculpture in the US is thinking of adding Faith Chapel, with it's gargoyles, and perhaps more interior carvings, to it's inventory. Bubba73, are you interesting in contributing to that? (details upon request) Carptrash (talk) 17:48, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
 * User:Carptrash is the Wikipedia expert on architectural sculpture. And a great guy. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 20:56, 9 June 2019 (UTC)


 * I don't know anything about architecture. I put several exterior photos in Wikimedia Commons.  I could get interior photos if it is open (I don't know when or if it is open).  Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 21:23, 9 June 2019 (UTC)


 * I think what User:Carptrash is suggesting is to take a photo of anything that you think is beautiful or special. They may not allow photography inside the church, and stained glass windows are especially tricky. I read that Faith Chapel's interior is also shingled, something that was common in the 1890s, but untouched interiors are rare. Please do what you can. I appreciate it. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 22:01, 9 June 2019 (UTC)


 * OK. I don't think that it has been used as a church since 1942.  Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 23:04, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Whoops, it is still used as a church. It is probably open to the public. I've done stained glass before - it looks great if there is light coming from the outside. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 23:48, 9 June 2019 (UTC)


 * RE:Stained glass. Good. That wasn't the case for me at Washington Memorial Chapel. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 11:33, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

Jekyll Island Historic District
Well, the weather wasn't too bad today, so I went to photograph some of the other things in the J.I. HD. The Sun was directly overhead, causing some harsh lighting. I took 142 photos total (in my usual overkill style).

I started with the old infirmary (building you were interested in) and then parked behind the Morgan Center. I got that area and went up Pier Road, getting those buildings and the museum and stables across the road, then back down Pier Road. My intention was to do one side of Pier Road and then the other, but it didn't quite work out that way. Then I parked behind Villa Marianna and got that area, including Faith Chapel.

I'm uploading the Faith Chapel ones right now to the Commons category Faith Chapel. I'll upload the others later (probably tonight). It was extremely dark in the chapel, and they don't allow flash photography. My eyes were used to bright sunlight w/o sunglasses so I couldn't see much of what I was photographing.

For the ones other than Faith Chapel, I'll dump them in the JI HD category, all with JIHD as a name, since I'm uploading in bulk. We need to go through and identify the building in the descriptions, if you can help with that. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 21:24, 14 June 2019 (UTC)


 * All of the photos have been uploaded now. Some of them are to just help show the location or name.  Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 00:41, 15 June 2019 (UTC)


 * The photos look terrific! I've identified most of them (the ones I didn't have to look up). I'll do more tomorrow. Thank you so much. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 03:18, 15 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Thanks for helping with the names in the descriptions. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 03:24, 15 June 2019 (UTC)


 * 142 photos in 111 minutes. Some could be better and some need to be cropped.  Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 04:11, 15 June 2019 (UTC)


 * I think all the buildings have been identified. And the photos look great!
 * I presume Doc's Snack Shop is new construction. I wonder if the restroom behind Faith Chapel is new construction or a recycled building? I read something about one of the ten Red Row houses (built c.1910 for Af-Am Club employees) surviving. Could the restroom be that house? == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 12:37, 15 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Doc's Snack Shop must be new, it doesn't have a chimney. Which means that it isn't in the NRHP HD.  I don't know about the restroom building behind Faith Chapel.  Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 15:16, 15 June 2019 (UTC)


 * And the restroom building behind Faith Chapel is probably not new - it has an chimney, which is usually a good indicator. But it doesn't really look like an old chimney. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 17:04, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

And I don't know why the Sweets Shoppe has such a tall chimney. Chimneys are a good indicator of old construction, and that looks like something left over from a much larger building. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 15:35, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
 * And see how the Sweets Shoppe chimney is lighter from one point upwards, as if it had been exposed to sunlight longer. I doubt that this is the original boiler building.  Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 15:45, 15 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Take a look at San Souci Boiler House the article. It looks like the same building in the 1911 photograph. And it had to house a boiler large enough to provide heat and hot water to the San Souci Apartments.
 * The small buildings in the mid-ground, on the far side of the vegetable garden, seem to be where Doc's Snack Shop is now. So maybe one or both was incorporated into it. Is that possible, or am I mistaken about Doc's location? == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 16:05, 15 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Yes, the old photo does show the boiler house looking like that.
 * As for Doc's, I used the bottom half of this map. Doc's is directly north of the Morgan Center.  (North is to the left on that map.)
 * One thing, you have "Staff Dining Hall " as "Currently houses Gypsea Glass". The building in the photo currently houses "Remember When".  The map says "Gypsea Glass", but that seems to be out of data. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 16:34, 15 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Thanks for catching that. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 17:09, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

Page 8 of the NRHP form has a poor reproduction of a map. It doesn't show the restrooms behind Faith Chapel or the building with Doc's. It also doesn't show the boiler house/Sweets Shop. But the chimney at Sweets Shop definitely looks like the original one. The building may or may not be original. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 17:20, 15 June 2019 (UTC)


 * I'm looking at the same map, and see what you mean. You're right that the San Souci Boiler House may be a recreation. And what happened to the Laundry building?
 * We don't have to solve everything, but this section now is w-a-y more helpful. Best, == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 17:41, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I like the thrifty way the buildings have been moved around and recycled. Not what you think of with millionaires. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 17:44, 15 June 2019 (UTC)


 * I don't know about the laundry. The chimney at the Sweets Shop is centered and in the old photo of the vegetable garden it looks like it is in the corner of the building. Also, it looks to me like the highest part of the roof is taller than that on the Sweets Shop.  I think that the Sweets Shop was probably built on the site of the boiler house and incorporates the old chimney.  Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 17:48, 15 June 2019 (UTC)


 * I haven't been able to find a reliable source that helps with the boiler house. You would think that a NRHP nomination would list the 33 contributing structures, but it does not. The town where I grew up has a historic district, but I could never find a complete listing of the 50+ contributing structures. I just snapped photos of every building that I knew was old and posted them on Wiki Commons. They have a historical society, but it doesn't even have a website. Write them a letter (not email) and someone will respond (eventually). == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 02:02, 16 June 2019 (UTC)


 * The HRHP form doesn't even seem to say that there are 33 contributing structures. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 02:12, 16 June 2019 (UTC)


 * There are some books that might say. Put "history of jekyll island" into Amazon.  And there is the museum, but I don't know if anyone there would know what happened decades ago.  Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 02:18, 16 June 2019 (UTC)


 * I subscribe to this, which says that it is the same. It looks like the chimney is in a different place to me.  Sometime I could see if the north side of the building looks like the old photo, and I could go in it to see if the chimney goes to a fireplace.  Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 02:37, 16 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Well, comparing that photo to the old one, it could be the same building. Either that or they modeled the new one on the old one.  Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 02:45, 16 June 2019 (UTC)


 * From the book excerpts I've been able to find on Google Books, the Club's records seem to be very detailed and complete. That's where I found that Pulitzer moved the Furness Cottage this many feet, and Albright moved it this many. So a definitive answer on the boiler house likely exists in those records. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 03:20, 16 June 2019 (UTC)


 * A little while ago I didn't think it was the same building (based on the seemingly different place of the chimney), now I think that it probably is (the north side seems to match the old photo). I need to go inside and see what it looks like.  The roof is drooping as if it is an old building. OTOH, it could have burned down at some point (before or after the state of Georgia had it, leaving only the chimney.  But it is missing from the NRHP map. But the pump house is also not on the NRHP map, and it is still there.  (I did not know where the pump house was, but when I was leaving the Morgan Center parking lot, I saw it.) Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 04:23, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

Thanks. I corrected the pump house location. I've been doing a little work on Charles Alling Gifford. He supposedly designed 5 buildings at Jekyll Island Club, but I've only been able to confirm 4 – San Souci Apartments, Mistletoe Cottage, Pulitzer Cottage, Clubhouse Annex. He seems to have been very well-connected in NJ, and of course did your county's old courthouse. I'm liking what I'm finding. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 01:35, 17 June 2019 (UTC)


 * I'm assuming that building is the pump house. I don't have any location or description of it. (I got married at that courthouse the first time.) Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 01:41, 17 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Ah, memories … Gifford did fine work, both small scale and big. I think the detailing on Mistletoe is exquisite. But even the grand hotels at Mount Washington and Niagara Falls are beautifully done. I hadn't heard of him before, and little has been written about him. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 01:58, 17 June 2019 (UTC)


 * The Mistletoe photo was taken at 3:41 in the winter, when the Sun was low and casting shadows. Sometime I'll go back over and get a new round of photos of the mansions when the Sun is better, and get more details.  Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 02:10, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

Jekyll
My parents had the book "The Jekyll Island Club: Southern Haven for America's Millionaires" by William and June McCash. The boiler isn't in the index and there is no photo of it. It does have a 1930 map. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 23:22, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Interesting map. I don't have any of the Jekyll Island books, so I have to rely on what I can find online.
 * Do you think the unidentified building above (east of) #9 is the boiler house? == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 23:44, 17 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Yes, it must be. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 23:51, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
 * It's puzzled me that the Baker-Crane Carriage House is so far away from Crane Cottage/the site of Solterra. I wonder if it was relocated and reused as either the Laundry or the Blacksmith/Carpenter Shop shown on the 1930 map. The map is very helpful for sussing things out. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 00:06, 18 June 2019 (UTC)


 * It might be. #24 on the 1930 map is now the Sea Turtle Center.  The Crane Carriage House is not listed or shown on the 1930 map, at least not in its present location. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 00:33, 18 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Also, as far as the boiler, I can read the sign next to it (I didn't do that). Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 00:39, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

They didn't need the carriage house to be near - a servant would bring the carriage or whatever up to the house, I suppose. The horse stable is a long way away and other things like the coal house, the garage and power plant, blacksmith, and laundry aren't close either. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 00:44, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

Jekyll book
If you want that book on the Jekyll Island Club by McCash and McCash, I'll send it to you. I don't want to keep it. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 21:29, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you, but I think I may pass. A lot of the info I need about the architects can be found online. I would like to figure out who designed Solterra Cottage (1890) for Frederic Baker, but its not a high priority. And Charles Alling Gifford now has respectable article. Best, == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 16:37, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

I seem to have more misses
than hits these days. Will email you shortly. eeek aka Carptrash (talk) 22:14, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Good to hear from you, but not good to hear that. Take care. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 22:21, 13 July 2019 (UTC)

Bavarian and Tyrol art glass?
Hey, i am innocently trying to develop an obscure U.S. National Register of Historic Places article, on Immaculate Conception Church (Pawhuska, Oklahoma), and come across how it has amazing stained glass windows, allowed by special dispensation of the pope, which are manufactured by the Bavarian Art Glass Company (a redlink) of Munich, Germany. Browsing elsewhere i begin to wonder if this must be the Royal Bavarian Stained Glass Manufactory (a redlink), in Munich. I find a huge amount of interesting stuff at this Buffaloah.com webpage "Munich Pictorial Style Stained Glass Windows in Western New York". Including about a fairly long-running split of Franz Xavier Zettler, who married a Mayer daughter, out of the Mayer system, which was eventually remerged back in. And competition with Tyrol Art Glass, Innsbruck (Tiroler Glasmalereianstalt). Including at least one source calling the three firms' work pretty much interchangeable, I am not sure about that, but their histories are certainly intertwined and perhaps overall coverage should be unified.

Okay, then i find there is Franz Mayer & Co. article in Wikipedia, not mentioning hardly anything of the history, instead mainly serving as a partial list of churches having stained glass installations (listing a lot in Ireland but not covering this Oklahoma church). Not mentionng Zettler or Tyrol anything. Having a "List of works of..." article would be fine, but the main history needs to be told somewhere. Would you or anyone you know possibly be up to developing this area, by any chance? --Doncram (talk) 10:04, 27 September 2019 (UTC)


 * I'm afraid I don't know anything about stained glass. I started an article on Nicola D'Ascenzo because he created the windows at Washington Memorial Chapel, and a collection of his sketches and cartoons are at the Philadelphia Athenaeum. I can't think of anyone who would be eager to take this on. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 13:37, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

Another Landsdowne portrait of Washington
I was checking out the public library in Fall River, Massachusetts and was surprised to find a copy of the Lansdowne portrait of George Washington (Munro-Lenox version). It had an informational plaque identifying it as by Robert Spear Dunning (1829-1905) and dated 1892. I added it to the Lansdowne portrait article. Thought you might like to know! - Kzirkel (talk) 00:44, 17 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Thank you for photographing the painting and adding it to the article. Ellen G. Miles's superb scholarship was what got me interested in the Lansdowne: Thank you also for letting me know about your find. Best, == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 03:10, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

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 * Thank you. I wish you Happy Holidays also. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 00:25, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

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 * Thank you very much. What a great photo! == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 09:51, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

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happy new year to you
A most happy and satisfying new year to you, BHG! Sincere tho a bit late. Maybe there's luck enough in 2020 to bring some to all of us! --Lockley (talk) 21:14, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I hope you're well. It was about this time last year that we took over Audrey Munson. (I was going to say mounted, but that has sexual connotations.) Not suggesting we tackle another big project right away, but it was fun and the results satisfying. Best, == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 02:40, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
 * hey BHG, if that's an invitation to collaborate again, the answer is a quick definite yes. Yes!  As to what to collaborate on, in other words who to mount this time, you've made some good choices in the past & and I would tend to defer to you.  My mind goes to repairing some of the bios of 20th-century American architects whose reputations were distorted by Henry-Russell Hitchcock, for instance Cram, Cret, Wurster, Warnecke, but there are dozens of those fellows.  You'll let me know if you have anything specific in mind...?  all best to you!  --Lockley (talk) 21:53, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Architecture? It's been a while since I've written something about that, save Walter Rogers Furness Cottage. Speaking of Frank Furness, a former professor of mine authored a biography last year, and feels the same about Hitchcock. Hitchcock championed Furness early on, then erased him from the canon in the 1920s. Best, == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 22:32, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Perhaps an article on the new Corrado Parducci book? Just came out. Yesterday.  or something. Carptrash (talk) 04:25, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Pardicci may pose a problem, since he didn't die until 1981. So his body of work technically won't be PD until 2051.
 * The good news is that the out-of-copyright year now advances annually, so 1924 just became PD. Best, == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 20:49, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

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Alfred Bendiner
BHG, I'm delighted to find out that Alfred Bendiner drew his caricatures of performers during the show. How nerve-wracking for them, if they knew! How civilized, and how like an old-school newspaperman improvising, and how Hungarian, and yet a little jerky at the same time. Had a look at his drawings, such variety in style, all are fun. I have yet to stroll through your most recent edits (you invited me, remember) but I will. You're a consistent asset. Lot of tight turns on the choo-choo train of American history lately, and I hope you're thriving, all things considered. No serious issues here, not even luggage falling on our heads or unexpected stops. Here's to keeping it that way....(?) No, here's to track improvements! --Lockley (talk) 23:34, 23 June 2020 (UTC)


 * I'm glad you're well. Instead of finishing the Alfred Bendiner article, I categorized the Life in Philadelphia cartoons on the Commons, and that led to organizing them in tables in the article. The scholarly work had already been done by an old friend of mine, who spent decades building the African-American collection at the Library Company of Philadelphia. All I had to do was copy his superb research and add a link to LCP's website for each image (although the multiple editions of them were hard to keep straight). I doubt that I'd ever written the N-work in my life, … until yesterday … and I'll be happy never to do it again. But it's done (as far as I can take it now), and I hope it will be useful/disturbing/eye-opening to others.
 * Skimming thru Bendiner's autobiography has been fun. And sitting down and re-reading it would be good for my soul.
 * I like your train analogy. Hairpin turns and rickety tracks, no derailments, but lots of close calls, and the ride's not over yet.
 * Best, == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 00:14, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

Merion War Tribute House
Hey BHG, I have a Philly question for you. Do the words "Merion War Tribute House" mean anything to you? If not, please have a quick look over here, and if this rings any bells or idle notions about who the sculptor here might have been, in 1924, I'd be glad to have 'em. This looks like stone, maybe local stone, to my eyes. --Lockley (talk) 21:18, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
 * My Dad grew up in Merion, and I lived there for a year during college. I've walked around the Tribute House exterior, but never been inside. I know it's 1924, by architects Karcher & Smith, stained glass by Nicola D'Asenzo, and ironwork by Samuel Yellin. But I've never seen a reference about who did the sculpture. Edward Bok (Curtis Publishing) built it and gave it to the community.
 * My first guess would be Stirling Calder, but I don't remember any reference connecting it to him. Bok built the Singing Tower in Florida, so maybe there's a connection to that. remembered that C. Paul Jennewein did the Washington statue on the tower of Washington Memorial Chapel at Valley Forge. Bok helped to fund the chapel, so Jennewein would be my second guess.
 * The person I'd automatically go to is a former Lower Merion Historical Society president, but she now has Alzheimer's.
 * Best, == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 23:11, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for looking in your brain! this one remains a mystery for now.  it's a good carving job.  --Lockley (talk) 23:48, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm wrong about Bok donating the building. Eldridge R. Johnson, chairman of the Victor Talking Machine, donated his 12-acre estate for the Tribute House, and bought a much larger estate in Gladwyne, about 5 miles further outside the city. Bok was a major supporter of the project, and chaired the committee that oversaw its completion, but not the donor.
 * Best, == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 00:17, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Neither of my books on Jennewein mention the Marion building. But all is not lost.  Yet. Carptrash (talk) 21:25, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Good to see you surface. Hope things (and you) are well in AZ.
 * Best, == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 23:23, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Okay, I've found the contractor, carpenter, stone mason, and roofer for the Tribute House, but not the sculptor. Also the Von Trappe singers sang there. I'll keep looking.
 * Best, == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 00:28, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Well the von Trappe family is always worth a mention. I read somewhere that Capt. Von Trappe was a U-boat commander in WWI and had trouble sleeping nights because of what he'd done. Carptrash (talk) 16:55, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Maybe it was his military service that caused U.S. Immigration to detain the family at Ellis Island. Philadelphia lawyer Henry Drinker went up to NYC and agreed to sponsor them for 3 years. They lived with the Drinkers in Merion when my father was a teenager, and would sing at local churches. Drinker was a fine musician, and for 30 years conducted an amateur choir in his house (mansion). This was the choir Walker Hancock wrote about singing tenor in. And Drinker's maiden aunt was Cecilia Beaux, who was teaching at PAFA when Hancock began studying there under Grafly. If Bendiner drew a cartoon of Merion War Tribute House, it would bring everything back full-circle.
 * I'm presuming you're well. I was becoming slightly concerned when you hadn't posted on Wikipedia for a week, until Friday.
 * Best, == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 17:38, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Having just sat thru 45 minutes of YouTube videos about Merion War Tribute House, I suspect the architectural sculpture is by Edward Maene. Maene, Yellin and D'Ascenzo worked together on multiple projects, and Maene was still active in 1924 (died 1931). The stone bosses on the Tribute House exterior and the bosses and plaques on the interior are reminiscent of Maene's work on the Quadrangle Dormitories (University of Pennsylvania). The oak tympanums over the auditorium doors are also finely done. The Tribute House director said in the videos that the stonework was carved on site, if so it was probably someone local. A disappointment she didn't name a sculptor.

Maene (or his shop) did more ambitious work on the Quad than just the bosses; for instance, the Seal of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania headboard atop the Quad's Provost's Tower. And the sculptured pediment of the Penn Law School. Just a hunch for now. Best, == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 00:46, 30 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Oh, thanks for looking into it! Edward Maene is an excellent guess.  That particular bas-relief of three guys from three service branches seems like such high-quality work, carved into native stone no less.  Your own searches may have brought up |this five-page architects' statement which seems to go out of its way to avoid naming any sculptor, quoting the words "Strength for Peace", or even describing any such image.  The image is not from either side of the Victory Medal, as alluded to in that statement.  I begin to wonder if this is a later addition.  The phrase "Strength for Peace" doesn't lead much of anywhere.  It's a puzzling puzzle all the way around.  --Lockley (talk) 09:09, 30 June 2020 (UTC)


 * I suspect the eagle plaque below the servicemen may be what's copied from the medal.
 * Best, == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 22:37, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm doing fine, better than average in AZ. Carptrash (talk) 19:43, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

I think this is a challenge by WaPo
[https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/george-and-martha-washington-enslaved-300-people-lets-start-with-their-names/2020/06/26/d3f7c362-b7e7-11ea-a510-55bf26485c93_story.html?utm_campaign=wp_post_most&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_most George and Martha Washington enslaved 300 people. Let’s start with their names.] There's a Mt. Vernon website linked with some more info. I'll end with a corny saying (from JFK?) that does apply here. "If not us, who? If not now, when?"

For help, perhaps contact WP:BLM

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 * Thank you. I have a bad habit of taking over articles, but I suspect many more sources are available online now than when you stated the article.
 * Now, if I could just find the name of his second wife!
 * Best, == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 00:22, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
 * You raise an interesting point. There was a huge upswell in online sources during the heyday of Google's effort to digitize everything, and particularly things in the public domain. But the peak of that addition to what's available online has passed, and I'm not finding all that much that's new these days, at least on some of the articles about 19th- and early-20th-century stuff. But you seem to think that a lot of valuable new stuff is still coming online? PRRfan (talk) 00:56, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
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 * Odd, that I haven't found a proper obituary for Elwell. (The one in American Art News is short and repeats errors.) Memorials but no obit.
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A barnstar for you!
Thank you very much. If the weather is nice, I hope to finish most of the rest next Sunday. The Quad is a problem because Penn won't let you in unless you're a student or faculty. I suspect that the Fairmount Park Fountain was replaced in the 1890s by the Lion's Head Fountain, but I don't have evidence (yet). Best, == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 21:16, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi BHG -- I also just discovered you'd ventured out to capture photographs of water fountains. Thank you!  That's truly above and beyond.  You're a peach!  --Lockley (talk) 17:47, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
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Happy Holidays
Thank you,, for the lovely image and message. I wish you well, too. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 14:34, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

A beer for you!
Thanks,. It's too good a story not to retell. And I love the message you added. BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 17:42, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

Happy Holidays
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 * Thanks, . Let's hope we'll be able return to normal holidays in 2021. BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 18:56, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

Seasons Greetings
Thanks for the Season's Greetings, BoringHIstoryGuy, and for all your contributions. Loved the story about the artists' rivalry, and the gorgeous photos of the Philly buildings on your user page. Happy New Year and best wishes for this coming year! Parkwells (talk) 19:41, 26 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Thank you, . The buildings are by Frank Furness, my favorite 19th-century architect. BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 19:51, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

And the same from me, thanks for the kind wishes BHG (who is anything but boring as those who've waved at you here and stopped to chat for a minute can attest). Happiest of New Years' to you and yours (and theirs!). Randy Kryn (talk) 00:06, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

Happy New Year!
Thank you for your New Year's message! I look forward to seeing which painting it will be every year. Happy holidays and all the best in 2021! — Mainly 21:25, 26 December 2020 (UTC)


 * HA! . Now I've got a whole year to worry about the next one. Thanks for the good wishes. BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 21:30, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

A beer for you!
Thank you,. Cheers! BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 23:22, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

A Belated Merry Christmas
You are truly one of the best Wikipedians and I only wish there were more like you! Tony the Marine (talk) 00:06, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you,, you're very kind. I just plug away like all of us. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 02:53, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

We wish you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!
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The Signpost: 28 December 2020
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Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year
Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!



I've tried speaking with the admin folks at FindAGrave.com about Ms. C. R. Cole (GramereC) and her ownership of the Samuel Fraunces "children" pages (including "Pheobe"), but haven't received any help. So, she gets to put her theories up. Anyway, here's to hoping that your next year is good, the COVID is defeated, and there are no more riots in cities. And no more tagging (poor Matthias Baldwin!) and tearing down of statues in historic Philadelphia (though I get taking down Rizzo's)! TuckerResearch (talk) 13:41, 28 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Best wishes right back atcha! And check your email. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 01:56, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

Happy New Year!

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Happy New Year!
-- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 22:53, 31 December 2020 (UTC)


 * What a beautiful choice. Congratulations, and thank you. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 21:15, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

Happy New Year, BoringHistoryGuy!
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Happy New Year! BoringHistoryGuy, Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia.

– Davey 2010 Talk 00:38, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

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 * Thank you, sir. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 21:15, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

happy new year to you


BHG, a very happy new year to you & yours! All best! --Lockley (talk) 19:33, 2 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Thanks, A pink elephant? unless I'm hallucinating. Check your email. Best, == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 21:32, 2 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Yeah, what he said. Carptrash (talk) 23:47, 2 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Hey, Glad to see you resurface! Hope you're well and (relatively) content. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 00:06, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm trying to find safe mindless places to edit where no one will see me. Might work, Carptrash (talk) 02:04, 3 January 2021 (UTC)


 * But you're not safe, or mindless. And some of us will come looking for you. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 02:39, 3 January 2021 (UTC)


 * User:BoringHistoryGuy: Thanks for the seasonal greetings. User:Carptrash: I miss the carelessness of editing before it became a counterintelligence trap.Zigzig20s (talk) 23:23, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Precious
You are recipient no. 2505 of Precious, a prize of QAI. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 00:14, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Why, thank you very much, While we've never specifically collaborated, I often see you making improvements to articles I'm interested in and care about. And I am always happy to see your name. Best wishes for the new year! == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 00:30, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
 * It was your thoughtful wishes which made me curious, finally ;) - Mine are here, and keep watching for news throughout the year if you are interested. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:08, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
 * A fine message! Thank you for sharing it. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 13:46, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

Happy New Year, BoringHistoryGuy!
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Happy New Year! BoringHistoryGuy, Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia.

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Belated Happy New Year
Sorry for the slow reply, I was out of town for the last two weeks and then came back only to end up going back to work. My first day off since I got back and only now am I able to get in and reply, but I wanted to say thanks for the season's greetings :) TomStar81 (Talk) 10:27, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

WP 20
Thank you for good wishes! - Happy Wikipedia 20, - proud of a little bit on the Main page today, and 5 years ago, and 10 years ago, look: create a new style - revive - complete! I sang in the revival mentioned. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:10, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

... and today Jerome Kohl, remembered in friendship --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:35, 28 January 2021 (UTC)