User talk:Bort08

Adding diacritics to NHL team roster templates
Thank you for your contributions to NHL team roster templates, but please note that WikiProject Ice hockey has agreed upon guidelines for team roster template pages and one of those guidelines is that diacritics for player names are suppressed or not included. As such, all of your edits to these pages have been reverted. Also, making mass changes to Wikipedia articles without first discussing your proposed changes in the relevant WikiProject is considered bad practice on Wikipedia. If you'd like to propose a change to the guidelines, bring it up for discussion on the WikiProject Ice Hockey talk page. For more information, please refer to: *Editing, policy, conduct, and structure tutorial. Thank you! -- Gmatsuda (talk) 09:36, 20 August 2008 (UTC)


 * The guideline mentioned above also applies to hockey team articles. As such, your recent edit to New Jersey Devils has been reverted. Please bring up your request to add diacritics in these articles on the WikiProject Ice Hockey talk page, if you want. Please note that unless this guideline is changed, further edits by you to add diacritics to these articles may be considered vandalism. -- Gmatsuda (talk) 05:22, 21 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Just wanted to remind you that diacritics (ie the accents you keep adding) are by consensus not used on North American related hockey pages. -Djsasso (talk) 03:23, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Since you still seem to be adding them here is the link to the standard. What it says in a nutshell since I saw you mention to someone else you were confused about them existing on some teams and not on others, if you find them on a North American related team page, season page, league page etc then they are there by mistake and should be removed. If you find them on an International based team page, season page, league page, olympics page, world championships page then they should be there. -Djsasso (talk) 05:06, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
 * No worries, I know it can be tricky getting used to these things. Feel free to look at the pages at WP:HOCKEY to see what we are all about. -Djsasso (talk) 02:13, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Adding diacritics to articles
I don't know if you've noticed, but every time you've added diacritics to Wikipedia articles, your edits have been reverted by someone. As I mentioned to you, such mass edits are considered to be bad practice on Wikipedia. Not only that, you're just wasting your own time. I strongly recommend that if you want to have such edits become permanent, propose that they be added in the appropriate WikiProject for the particular article. This is the way to do it. What you're doing now is nothing more than wasting your time, as well as others who have to revert your edits. -- Gmatsuda (talk) 07:16, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
 * The use of diacritics in names is something of an unresolved dispute, but whatever has been agreed as the most commonly recognised English usage is the standard for naming the article, and links to the article should not require redirects. So is the article is called Fṝäṇçèśġõ, the article should read Fṝäṇçèśġõ, but if the article is at Francesgo, the links to that article should say Francesgo.  Kevin McE (talk) 08:38, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Initialed first names
Hello. According to Wikipedia naming conventions, names like N. D. Kalu are to have a space between the initials of the first name. Please do not change these, especially in NFL roster templates. Thank you.  Pats 1  T / C  18:46, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Removing redlinks
Hi, I've noticed you've gone through several junior team articles and removed the wikilinks to players who do not yet have articles. Please do not do this. per WP:REDLINK, such links are useful, and good to have, as they encourage people to create articles. In the case of NHL alumni, each of these players is notable, and will eventually have articles. As such, removing the links is actually destructive to the project. Thanks, Resolute 23:58, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I've already gone through and reverted the WHL teams, not sure if you de-linked teams from other leagues or not. Red links can be difficult, as it can be tough to tell when to link or not. Generally, if you think a player is likely to be notable (i.e.: played in the NHL), a red link is preferred.  If a player isn't likely to be notable (i.e.: a player on a junior team roster), then I generally don't link that player.  Regards, Resolute 20:41, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Hey there, I noticed you're continuing to remove red links on WHL team pages, most recently the Vancouver Giants and Spokane Chiefs. I get the sense that you're trying to follow a guideline of potential notability.  For example, on the Giants' current roster, you've removed all the red links with the exception of Evander Kane.  Although I don't think there's any official policy on this, I want to discourage it because potential notability is arbitrary and cannot be decided by one user alone.  Furthermore, it just looks scattered if some players are linked, but others are not for no directly apparent reason.  Either all the players without pages should be linked or none at all.  Given that the team rosters were, hwoveer, previously fully linked, I think it would be best if they remained that way.  I've reverted your most recent edits related to this issue, but if you'd like to debate this further, feel free to leave a message on my talk page.  Thanks.  Orlandkurtenbach (talk) 08:54, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi. You still seem to be removing all red links you can find. As mentioned by Resolute and I previously, notability can be tricky, but generally, red links are good.  In the event that the page corresponding to the red link gets created, the red links allow that page to automatically have many pages already linked to it.  Please refrain from removing any and all red links you can find.  Orlandkurtenbach (talk) 00:16, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

TJ Moncur
How come you moved TJ Moncur to T. J. Moncur? All the sources say he refers to himself as TJ not T. J. hence surely the page should be at TJ Moncur? Peanut4 (talk) 18:50, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
 * And now why have you moved Raúl Oliveira to Raul Oliveira? His name is Raúl Oliveira hence why the page was there in the first place. Peanut4 (talk) 22:14, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

David Trézéguet
Hi Bort08! What's your source for this edit? Don't you think it would be better to discuss it first, since it's already been discussed before? Thank you! --necronudist (talk) 21:26, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Diacritics
On player pages like Joe Sakic, we show the diacritics. WP:HOCKEY says show them on player pages and non-NA pages, but hide them on NA pages. Weird, but it's a rule. RandySavageFTW (talk) 01:08, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Redlinks
Hello. Please stop removing wikilinks from Serie B squads; the linked subjects are potentially notable, and the links should be actually kept as they are in order to encourage users to create articles about them. Thank you. --Angelo (talk) 22:22, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, I think so. There is a lot of users making articles about players of even lower-tier teams throughout Europe and the whole World; two examples out of many ones: Barnet F.C. (English 4th-tier) and Miami FC (American USL, which is not the more famous MSL). In addition, a previous discussion in WP:FOOTY said clearly that only footballers who fail WP:ATHLETE at the time should not be wikilinked, and this is also supported by the Manual of Style, which you should actually follow. I can't create all the missing articles myself, that requires a lot of time I don't have right now, but if you look at my backlog you can see I have created a lot of articles about football people in almost five years as a Wikipedia user, so please don't use this argument with me. Please follow the rules instead, and if you don't agree with them just raise your concerns at WP:FOOTY. --Angelo (talk) 23:18, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Karlsruher SC
Just to explain why your edits on the Bayern Munich article are getting reverted. Naming convention is different on the continent, particularly in Germany, where one-word names are seldom used, and club's initials are often left intact. This is the case with Karlsruher SC. It even applies in the UK with some teams, e.g. AFC Bournemouth.

Even if we were to use a one word name, "Karlsruher" doesn't work, because it's an adjective. Karlsruher SC means "Sport Club of Karlsruhe". Lose the SC and you're left with "of Karlsruhe". ArtVandelay13 (talk) 09:25, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Overlinking
Hi. Please don't go through football articles adding wikilinks to every single mention of a team name. Usual Wikipedia guidelines specify that you only link the first mention. Adding a link to every mention is overlinking. Thanks. -- Escape Orbit (Talk) 20:37, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Brit - Am
Why did you change the style on Ryan Babel to American English? This is expressly discouraged, especially when (a) the original article has been stable in a certain style and (b) The article holds ties to a certain style (it does as a Premiership footballer bio). I'm reverting you now. Sillyfolkboy (talk) 07:52, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
 * In fact you've done it here too. Please return all such articles to European standard dates. Thanks. Sillyfolkboy (talk) 08:03, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Also for Khalid_Boulahrouz. Please stop this. --Jaellee (talk) 15:59, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
 * That's a big 10-4 El Borto! Sillyfolkboy (talk) 02:10, 5 March 2009 (UTC) ("Are you talking to me?" "No, my son is also called Bort...")

I feel I must bring this issue to light again, considering your most recent edit to UEFA Champions League 2008–09 knockout stage, in which you changed the word "equalised" to "equalized". While I respect American spelling, WP:ENGVAR states that you should not switch from one variation of English to another without a very good reason. Therefore, please do not change any spellings in non-North American articles in the future. – PeeJay 23:04, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Question
Hi there BORT, VASCO from Portugal here,

Checking your user page, i assume that you are, as am, Portuguese but, since i am not sure, will write in English now:

I noticed that, in almost all of the articles i visited that you had edited in, you reduce the names of clubs almost to the minimum. Although it's understandable in infobox, for space purposes, i don't see the point in doing that in storyline, it provides more info if the name is complete (if the clubname has 30 letters, then we can reduce it a bit, no doubt).

Can you explain to me your train of thought? I would appreciate that.

Have a nice weekend, good work,

VASCO AMARAL - --NothingButAGoodNothing (talk) 15:09, 6 March 2009 (UTC)


 * BORT, VASCO here,

I would really like a reply (checking your edit history, you have been here after my 1st message, so you have received it), just to know if i am doing anything wrong, please.

VASCO - --NothingButAGoodNothing (talk) 16:17, 9 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Understood BORT, now i see your views. However, in some cases, like Sporting Clube de Portugal, i think the words SPORTING CP should appear, because there are several Sportings allover the world, in Portugal three or four.

Keep up the good work, VASCO - --NothingButAGoodNothing (talk) 21:06, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

NHL 07-08 Article
Contrary to your edit summary, I have indeed removed the recent addition. The article talkpage, the article itself, and the project have come to a consensus as to what "of note" means. You have introduced a new version, contrary to consensus. While I appreciate the attempt, consensus is very strong about this portion of the articles. ( talk→  Bwilkins / BMW   ←track ) 09:22, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Please stop linking dates
As per Requests_for_arbitration/Date_delinking, users are requested not to enter a mass program of linking/delinked dates/years etc. Please be advised that further mass linking while this injunction is in place may result in a block. Thanks.  Maxim (talk)  10:44, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Just to clarify--this applies to both linking and delinking dates.  Maxim (talk)  21:47, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Do neither. Don't touch dates when doing this on a large-scale.  Maxim (talk)  00:44, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
 * The injunction is in place because the correct format is highly disputed.  Maxim (talk)  00:51, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Diacritics
I see that you are adding diacritics to ice hockey player names on player pages, which is great, but please stop adding diacritics to English words, such as "début". Please use standard English spelling in this regard. Thanks. Orlandkurtenbach (talk) 21:06, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

More diacritic concerns
Please refrain from adding diacritics to geographical names (such as Montreal, Quebec City, Quebec, etc.). I've noticed many of your recent edits have involved this activity. Please familiarize yourself with Naming conventions (use English). Remember, this is the ENGLISH Wikipedia, not the French one. Those locations have common English translations. The geographical rule of thumb is just to use the actual page name, not a redirect. Might I suggest you familiarize yourself with all diacritic-related policies on Wikipedia, as it seems many users have concerns with your diacritic-related edits. Thanks. – Nurmsook!  talk...  01:03, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
 * It was a reference to the comments on your talk page, as there are multiple concerns regarding diacritic-related edits. I'll give you a brief summary of what to do with diacritics, as it can be confusing. You seem to primarily be editing hockey articles, so I'll go from there. Firstly, please take a look at Naming conventions (use English). It gives a pretty decent outline. Essentially, for geographic names, use the actual article title (ie: Montreal, not Montréal). Many geographic locations have an English translation, such as Montreal, Quebec City, Munich, Gothenburg, etc. In all articles, always use the English form if it exists (and like I said, just follow the rule of thumb to use the actual Wikipedia article name). As for diacritics in player names, use them for biography articles, which you have been doing just fine. In NHL articles, though (ie: team and season pages), do not use them. This is basically the jist of it. Most of your edits are great, I've just noticed the geographic diacritic thing in some recent edits. – Nurmsook!  talk...  01:15, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
 * No problem! Anytime you are unsure about something, feel free to send a message to myself or any other of the editors at WP:HOCKEY, or any other project for that matter. We may sometimes come off a little rough, but it's all in good faith. Happy editing :-) – Nurmsook!  talk...  01:24, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Per Wikipedia's manual of style for biography articles, only the date of birth/date of death should be included in the parenthesis after the name. However, if there is no infobox on the page otherwise displaying place of birth and it is not elsewhere in the prose, I usually add it. For pronunciation, only the International Phonetic Alphabet pronunciation should be used using Template:IPA, so to remain consistent. I'm not sure the exact policy on this, but the people at WikiProject Phonetics seem to prefer IPA. – Nurmsook!  talk...  16:09, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Club names
Hi there BORT, VASCO from Portugal here (i still don't know if you are, as i, Portuguese, you did not tell me anything in your message, so i'll write again, in English),

I see that you really like to compress club names to the maximum, an approach as good as any other, i respect that. However, keep in mind you are making some mistakes while doing that: for example, União de Leiria is, in 99% of the cases, referred to as such, not only Leiria, and the same goes for Vitória de Guimarães, Sporting de Braga or Vitória de Setúbal. I am not going to start an edit war over this, i am just writing this message to inform you. Also, i respect your edits, i would like if you also respected mine.

Have a great weekend, VASCO - --NothingButAGoodNothing (talk) 20:34, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

RE : Denise Milani
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RE: Account
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