User talk:Bradleycleveland

January 2010
Hello, and thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. I've noticed that you have been adding your signature to some of your article contributions. This is a simple mistake to make and is easy to correct. For future reference, the need to associate edits with users is taken care of by an article's edit history. Therefore, you should use your signature only when contributing to talk pages, the Village Pump, or other such discussion pages. For a better understanding of what distinguishes articles from these type of pages, please see What is an article?. Again, thank you for contributing, and enjoy your Wikipedia experience! Thank you. JulieSpaulding (talk) 18:05, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

Please do not delete content or templates from pages on Wikipedia, as you did to Gloria Frym, without giving a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. Your content removal does not appear constructive, and has been reverted. Please make use of the sandbox if you'd like to experiment with test edits. Thank you. ''Please don't remove cleanup templates from pages. They are there so other editors can jump in and help, so removing the tags is not helpful.'' JulieSpaulding (talk) 05:09, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Julie, Thanks for the notes; I'm new at this and don't understand all the conventions. I don't even understand how to post a message on your talk page.

I did a major edit of the entry for Bay Area poet Gloria Frym because there were warnings that the existing post cited no reliable sources. So I --

-- added internal links to Creeley, Duncan, CA College for the Arts, Naropa, language poetry -- added external links to reference material, ie reviews of Fym's work, and her archive

Despite these changes that I thought would address the problems cited in the earlier draft, I'm still getting three warnings: 1. Biography of living person doesn't cite references or sources 2. Article may need to be wikified 3. External links may not follow Wiki's policies or guidelines.

I'm happy to make any needed changes, but I don't understand what I've done wrong. I thought I addressed warnings #1 and # by adding reliable sources. And as far as I can tell, the article is consistent with Wiki's layout standards, so I don't know what else I can do to address warning #2.

I appreciate any advice or help you can offer. Thanks for your time,

Bradleycleveland (talk) 16:34, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. When you make a change to an article, please provide an edit summary. Doing so helps everyone to understand the intention of your edit. It is also useful when reading the edit history of the page. Thank you. JulieSpaulding (talk) 05:11, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia!
Hi Bradley, in response to your comment above, because Gloria Frym is still alive, you will need to add reliable sources to verify that what the article is saying is factually correct. For more information on this, please visit this page which deals with sourcing biographies of living persons. For biographies of living persons (BLPs), you have to back up everything you say with sources. You can take a look at WP:REF for more information on how to cite sources, but this is the how you do it (remember, add this to the end of every paragraph where you use said information):

Down the bottom, you'd create a level 2 header (that's when you use the double 'equals sign' like this: == Header == titled 'References'. In that section, all you put is . You've just referenced something! I've already got you started. Just a note on reliable sources: reviews, unless they contain some biographical information about the subject (birthdate, etc.), are not reliable sources. I'll give you an example using a page I recently created, Enuk Pauloosie. This link would certainly be a reliable source. It's got information about Enuk's life, etc. However, this page is not a reliable source. Although it might mention Pauloosie's name, it doesn't give any biographical information that I used in the article, so it's not a source at all. So, where did you get the information that say, Frym was born on Feb. 28 1947? That must be referenced in the article.

Regarding the 'wikify' tag, I've removed that as the problem doesn't seem too bad now.

You may like to take a look at our external links guideline for information about when linking to something is appropriate. Five different reviews of Frym's work would probably not be appropriate, as Wikipedia is not a repository of links. If you'd like to post a message on my talk page, simply click here, type what you want to say and click 'save page' down the bottom.

One more thing: if the issues raised in the tags (wiki-speak for what I put at the top of the page re. biographies of living persons, external links, etc.) have not been resolved, it's usually not a good idea to remove them, as some editors may treat this as content removal, something that shouldn't be done unless you discuss it first, either on the article's talk page or with the user concerned (in this case that's me... and you've already taken the first step in doing that, so well done!).

Anyway, I'd like to take this opportunity to welcome you to Wikipedia! I know it can be a bit of a confusing place, so if you ever have troubles, please don't hesitate to leave a message on my talk page by clicking here. If I don't respond quickly (I'm not on here all the time :) ) you can ask any other editor around Wikipedia. I'm sure they won't mind! Thanks for reaching out to me... that's the first step :) JulieSpaulding (talk) 17:59, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, and don't worry, you haven't done anything wrong :) I noticed you asking about that above. By the way, the messages above (starting with the picture of the 'i' in a blue circle) are actually standardised messages for the most part (although everything below 'welcome to Wikipedia' has been written personally by me!). Some of what they say may not apply to you, but take on board what you can! JulieSpaulding (talk) 18:04, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi Bradley, I'm really happy that you've decided to come back and improve the Gloria Frym article. I have removed the 'unreferenced' tag, however I am still unsure about the external links one. I don't know if four different reviews of her works are appropriate - honestly, I don't, so I would like to leave that decision to another editor if that's OK with you. The explanation of edits thing referred to the edit summary that editors are invited to contribute. Once again, thanks for improving Gloria Frym! JulieSpaulding (talk) 08:19, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Orphan tag
Hi Bradleycleveland! Good to see (write?) you again. Orphan tags are usually added to articles with less than three links from other Wikipedia articles to that page. I've removed the external links tags - it looks like you've done a fantastic job cleaning up the links. Just so you know, it wasn't me who added the orphan tag! I (or any other editor, for that matter) would be happy to remove the orphan tag from the article as soon as three or more wikilinks point towards Gloria Frym's article. Obviously, the links would have to be relevant, so I'll give you one suggestion for a link: List of poets from the United States. Add a link there under the appropriate section (F for Frym) and you've got your three links. Pop over to my user talk page again once you're done and I'd be happy to remove the orphan tag if you aren't comfortable removing it yourself. If you're not sure how to add a link to the List of poets from the United States article, just let me know - I'm happy to help! JulieSpaulding (talk) 09:03, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Well done! Here on Wikipedia there's an editing guideline called Be Bold, and you've just followed it! You saw something that needed updating and you fixed it :) So, if you ever need any help with anything at all, please feel free to let me know. JulieSpaulding (talk) 02:30, 26 January 2010 (UTC)