User talk:Brandon kimmett

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Copyright problems with St. Lawrence College Graphic Design Program
Hello. Concerning your contribution, St. Lawrence College Graphic Design Program, please note that Wikipedia cannot accept copyrighted text or images obtained from other web sites or printed material, without the permission of the author(s). As a copyright violation, St. Lawrence College Graphic Design Program appears to qualify for deletion under the speedy deletion criteria. St. Lawrence College Graphic Design Program has been tagged for deletion, and may have been deleted by the time you see this message. If you believe that the article or image is not a copyright violation, or if you have permission from the copyright holder to release the content freely under the GNU Free Documentation License (GFDL) then you should do one of the following:


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Please note that even if the copyright issue were resolved, this would not be an acceptable article: Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a notice-board for college course prospectuses. The links from the Welcome paragraph above will tell you more about contributing; see also the guideline on Notability, the guide to writing Your First Article, and the (rather long) list of What Wikipedia is not. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 17:23, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Reply This page is being completed by request of the head of the graphic design program at st. lawrence college. as head of the program, he obtains the rights to use the material from the college website, in promotion of the program. In searching “college courses”, many varied programs come up from other schools. how would this page differ from those, and how would it be changed to make it so it wasn't considered a notice-board for college course prospectuses? Brandon kimmett (talk) 18:40, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Your article
Regards, JohnCD (talk) 20:15, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Copyright: it is not sufficient to assert that you have permission to use the material. Putting something into Wikipedia means (as it says on every edit screen) that you "irrevocably agree to release your contributions under the GFDL" which means that anyone has the right to copy it and use it for any purpose - see WP:Copyrights. If the copyright holder of the material is willing to make a GDFL release, the necessary steps are explained in the warning notice above.
 * Ownership: one of the ways in which Wikipedia differs from a notice-board is that you will not own any article you put in (see WP:OWN), and will not be able to prevent others from editing it. On every edit screen it says: "If you don't want your writing to be edited mercilessly or redistributed for profit by others, do not submit it".
 * Suitability of the article:
 * In general see What Wikipedia is not, particularly the headings Wikipedia is not a directory, Wikipedia is not a manual, guidebook, or textbook, Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. I would sum up: Wikipedia is not a notice-board.
 * you say that the head of the program has the right to use the material "in promotion of the program". Wikipedia is explicitly not for promotion of any kind, and strongly discourages people from posting or editing articles on subjects where they have a conflict of interest - see also the FAQ/Organizations. The whole article is written in a promotional tone - it reads like what it is, a prospectus, not like an encyclopedia article which requires a neutral point of view.
 * a primary criterion for any article subject is whether it is notable, as defined in Notability, where the principal test is whether the subject has "received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". You cite no independent sources.
 * detail - lengthy lists of course modules are of interest to those on the course, possibly also to those considering it; but they are readily available on the College web-site and are not of sufficient general interest for an article in a global encyclopedia.
 * in regard to other course program articles you may have found, it is recognised that unsuitable articles get through, but the presence of some dodgy articles is not a reason for allowing more (see WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS).
 * My own opinion is that the right level of input for your program would be a short paragraph in the College's article. However, I am not Authority, only a volunteer editor who happened to see your article while on New Page Patrol. On any particular case there are bound to be different opinions, and you are free to re-create your article if it is deleted and if you can achieve the necessary copyright release; but I must warn you that it will most likely be nominated for deletion, and precedent at previous deletion debates is summarised at WP:OUTCOMES: "Departments or degree programs within a university, college, or school are not notable unless they have made significant contributions to their field."

advice
I have placed an additional tag on the article, asking for speedy deletion as entirely promotional. As a reviewing admin, I could have immediately deleted it as such, but I am waiting for another admin to confirm my judgmenthere, as I usually do.

It is extraordinarily rare for an article about a particular undergraduate program to warrant an article. It requires excellent secondary references providing substantial coverage from 3rd party independent published reliable sources, print or online, but not blogs or press releases, or material derived from press releases that the program is especially notable beyond the generality of such programs. Only a very few famous programs have ever passed this bar. DGG (talk) 21:38, 5 May 2009 (UTC)