User talk:Brentdlk91

April 2012
Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did at The Royal School, Armagh. Your edits appear to constitute vandalism and have been reverted or removed. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you. Canthusus (talk) 14:42, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to vandalize Wikipedia, as you did to Coleraine Academical Institution with this edit, you may be blocked from editing. A fluffernutter is a sandwich! (talk) 15:02, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

User: Fluffernutter I fail to see how adding a colloquial celebrity from a local television programme who was a former pupil of CAI is classified as "disruptive editing." Perhaps you could elaborate? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brentdlk91 (talk • contribs)
 * Sure, no problem. You added text accusing someone of being a "deceased alcoholic" with no sourcing or support for that assertion. For something like that which is so negative and potentially contentious, you're expected to provide a source proving that what you're saying is a) true and b) relevant (i.e. Do you have a reference proving he is a "deceased alcoholic?" If so, do you have an explanation for why it's necessary to call him that in an encyclopedia article about a school, rather than just giving his name and why he's notable?). When people add gratuitously negative information like calling someone a "deceased alcoholic" without proof, we tend to assume it's vandalism, and the burden of proof is on you to demonstrate that the content is true and verifiable. A fluffernutter is a sandwich! (talk) 15:24, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
 * The source for the edit is the following television programme, produced by the BBC - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Us4dZbW2n5o&feature=relmfu. The programme depicts Gary's stuggle with alcoholism and also mentions his death, as well as mentioning that he is a former student of Coleraine Academical Institution. He has gained posthumous colloquial celebrity due to his appearance in this programme, and is widely accepted as being a famous alcoholic who is now deceased. It isn't deliberately negative, it is the truth. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brentdlk91 (talk • contribs)


 * Unfortunately, there's two problems with that. First is that you didn't include that source in the article when you added the content, so we had no way of knowing if you'd made it up or not. Second is that, even if you had included that video as a source, we wouldn't have been able to accept it, because per our reliable sourcing guidelines, Youtube videoes are not considered a reliable source, especially when the account that uploaded the video does not appear to be an official account of any kind, which means the video is likely to be a copyright violation. I would suggest that you give a read-through to our reliable sourcing guideline, find some non-video, official sources supporting the "deceased alcholic" claim, and then think over whether the notable part about Gary is that he's a deceased alcoholic, or that he was on a BBC show, and re-write your text accordingly, citing the source in your text.
 * P.S. Please remember to sign your talk page posts with four tildes, like so: ~ . That will append your name and a timestamp to what you say here. A fluffernutter is a sandwich! (talk) 15:46, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Great work! If you want to shine the text up even more, you could probably try to find a news source to use that explicitly mentions his alcoholism, and remove the word "untimely" from your text, which is a bit non-neutral, but what you added now is good enough to stick around as it is. Thanks for adjusting your addition! A fluffernutter is a sandwich! (talk) 15:54, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the support, as a new user I am a bit unsure about how the editing system works (User:Brentdlk91)