User talk:Brewcrewer/Archives/2008/August

Assume Good Faith please
Per this comment please consider that the only dissent was NCDave who all but disappeared as soon as the RfC and ANI thread started. Since my last changes, as suggested by an experienced Featured Article editor, the article has been quite stable and uncontentious. Until today, when NCDave again insists that everything that is sourced, is false and untrue in some way, even adding a "totally disputed" tag. I welcome constructive dialog to improve an article but this user has edit warred on this article so let's hope they decide to follow a more consensus based path this time. My archiving of that RfC was under the firm belief it had run its course and NCDave had moved on. Banj e b oi   00:05, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
 * It would be a major stretch to assume good faith. You have yet to explain your reason for archiving a thread that I initiated like a couple of weeks ago while there were threads sitting there for months. You have also yet to explain why you decided to archive only one of the threads that you claim had "run its course". Your request for an assumption of innocent goof faith mistake is also higly questionable after you had the same problem with an editor that removed one of your talk page comments.In any case, that it not the way talkpages are archived on Wikipedia. They are archived in chronological order. One editor doesn't pick and choose what they feel like archiving. You can do that on your talk page, not on an article's talk page. -- brew  crewer  (yada, yada) 01:00, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
 * First off, and the most easily addressed is the link you provide to my reverting a deleting of a talk thread on Anderson Cooper. Deleting, as you are probably aware is different than archiving. If you point me to the thread you refence - "You have yet to explain your reason for archiving a thread that I initiated like a couple of weeks ago while there were threads sitting there for months." I can likely offer a reasonable explanation but the simple answer is we don't archive threads solely by date, just as we don't edit article fixing the first sentence first then the next sentence and so on. Although some editors choose to do it this way they seem to be the exception. Instead we generally archive talkpage threads that are stale and/or resolved. So even though a thread may be very old, it still may need discussing. I apologize if I archived the RfC thread early, it, to me, had run its course. The changes made and no one had stated any strong opinions that we needed to address anything else. Now that NCDave has reappeared you did exactly what I was about to do - pulling the RfC back up to allow the thread to be reinvigorated if needed. In fact anyone can do that with nearly any thread as long as they are doing so in good faith, avoiding disruption, etc. So I support you un-archiving that and am happy to address whatever other questions about my archiving you may have. Banj e  b oi   02:12, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

''We do not archive threads of article talkpages based on whether an editor thinks the issue is resolved or stale. We archive it chronologically. Please don't do that again. Thank you and have a great day. -- brew crewer (yada, yada) 03:07, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I think you're quite mistaken. Per Archiving, which I believe is the most common archiving method, we do archive as editors clean off the talk page and not chronologically. Using an automated program also does not go chronologically but instead by stale date, that is, when a thread has sat idle for too long as set by a parameter - some, such as the ANI board archive in less than 24 hours whereas others are set for a longer period of time. Banj e  b oi   18:26, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Please don't post any more rambling answers with irrelevant wikilinks on this talk page. Instead of fillibustering, just say I screwed up and I'm sorry. If you can't get yourself to do that then just stop making unilateral weird moves on article talk pages. You seem to have a history of problematic dealings with other editors. If you would spend a second or two thinking before making brash talkpage moves you would save a lot of wasted space on this talkpage, save both of ourselves lots of time, and improve your relations with other editors. -- brew crewer  (yada, yada) 22:27, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Apologies if you feel my comments were either rambling or contained irrelevant wikilinks. You questioned my archiving and I provided a direct link to show that what I did was in accordance with community standards. You may wish to heed your own advice about offering apologies and thinking before you post as you've decided to again show more bad faith towards me; like not recognizing that I did apologize and now accusing me of filibustering, making "unilateral weird moves on article talk pages" and having a "history of problematic dealings with other editors". If you wish to discuss something concrete rather than generally disparaging me and my work I welcome the opportunity but breeching policies on civility is not a good way to resolve disputes. Banj e  b oi   23:09, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

For Heaven's sake please bug off! -- brew crewer  (yada, yada) 23:11, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Deletion review for Prince Chunk
Prince Chunk is now under deletion review. Please feel free to contribute to the discussion.--DrWho42 (talk) 21:38, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

RE: MANNY
Hey thank you for your help! That was nice of you. Rwhollywoodfan (talk) 02:54, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Sure. As a matter of fact, I think the rumors should be inserted now even after they didn't pan out. I'm busy with something else now, so if you don't put if back in, I'll do it later. Best, -- brew crewer  (yada, yada) 02:58, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Willie's reception
Don't know if you watched, but suggest looking on YouTube, he got a great reception at OT Day. Favorite moment was Cora Rizzuto throwing out the first pitch. TravellingCari 20:42, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Coulda predicted that. Yankee fans are saying "We treat you better then those second-class citizens in Queens who without any class fire you at 3 in the morning". As of now, your boy Mussina is getting #14. Pretty amazing.-- brew crewer  (yada, yada) 21:22, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Yep and !Benji is playing like he's playing for his job, 'tho Girardi has said he'll always catch Moose. Last night irked me. Oh and Jeter finally got a hit and didn't ground into a DP. Small miracles. I think Yankee fans will always think of Willie as a Yankee. I might be headed to the giant blueberry in Queens for a game before the end of the season. TravellingCari  22:08, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * LOL. Never heard that term before. Pretty funny. I'm not too find of personal catchers either. I think it creates a discomfort in the clubhouse. But despite the fact that he's the Met killing jerk's bro, I like Molina. -- brew crewer  (yada, yada) 22:24, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Icelandic names
Should Category:Icelandic surnames be classified under Category:Scandinavian surnames rather than under the broader Category:European surnames? •Life of Riley (talk) 21:24, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * After reading the intro at Scandinavia, I saw that it isn't clear-cut. I, therefore, played is safe by putting in the forsure cat of Category:European surnames. But I don't have a problem if you'd like to subcategorize it to Category:Scandinavian surnames. -- brew crewer  (yada, yada) 21:29, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, it’s true that some say Scandinavia is strictly Denmark, Norway, and Sweden; while others would extend the definition to all of the Nordic countries. I am not sure how the Icelanders consider themselves. I suppose we can leave the category the way it is for now and see if anything develops. •Life of Riley (talk) 21:49, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I was thinking that maybe we should have a Category:Nordic surnames for names that are not clear-cut in origin. Some names come from Old Norse, while others come from the Orkneys or the Faroes. Those are not strictly Scandinavian, but have common Old Norse origins. •Life of Riley (talk) 21:52, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * That's a great idea!-- brew crewer  (yada, yada) 22:18, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Ronald Ribman
No problem. I've clarified the difference between junior high school and high school. Thanks. -- Avi (talk) 01:10, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Please see talk page, "award winning" should not be in lead, thank you, --72.209.9.165 (talk) 00:25, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * responded there. -- brew crewer  (yada, yada) 00:26, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Notability discussions
The baseball notability guidelines are under discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Baseball, you may be interested in participating. Spanneraol (talk) 19:33, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Snoring
usually, indeed. Unfortunately I slept until 11am today after being out last night and am not tired. Very bad for a Sunday night. What the Yankees pulled out today also jazzed me up. Come back not once but twice, that's the hallmark of the late 90s teams and I hope, just hope, that it could be a sign of the months to come. Then again, I also hoped the 2B/E8 would be a sign of change for Jeter who is, to quote a friend "on TV more than he's on base" (the damn Edge commercials. On that article, if it gets deleted (just based on there being an AfD, haven't looked into merits at all), remind me to go on a redirect hunt as there are a few to clean up. Signing off now-ish tho to make a call and try and sleep. Have a good night and day  TravellingCari  04:09, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Goonight. -- brew crewer  (yada, yada) 04:13, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
 * interesting, didn't know they needed to be "links" even if it was just one. Guess NPP paid off with non-crap when that came up. That tab had been open a ridiculous amount of time for what boiled down two a stub. Night night ;) PS: Congrats on the DYK. TravellingCari  04:28, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it says here that they should always be plural. It sounds ridiculous to me and it should be changed, but whatever. I usually don't bother switching it to plural unless I'm in an anal mood or I'm tired (like now). What's "NPP"? Dunnno what you're referring to.-- brew crewer  (yada, yada) 04:41, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * New page patrol, thought that's how you spotted it as soon as it went live. I'm guilty, I don't read the MOS nearly as much as I should. I figure I do content and others who really enjoy it get to do clean-up. Happy Tuesday! TravellingCari  12:00, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, of course. My mind stops working late at night, and I can't understand anything abbreviated. I did find it at NPP, although I prefer tintillating vandalism over good articles :-) -- brew crewer  (yada, yada) 18:38, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Mind? What's that? TravellingCari  18:54, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Macaroni soup
Dammit, missed the AfD close, now I just look like an idiot. ;) Nice work with the bringing of the article to Encyclopaedic-worthiness though. -  Toon  05  15:49, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. -- brew crewer  (yada, yada) 22:49, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Destiny Norton disappearance
I have nominated Destiny Norton disappearance, an article you created, for deletion. I do not feel that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Articles for deletion/Destiny Norton disappearance. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time. Do you want to opt out of receiving this notice? Wildhartlivie (talk) 02:17, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Yusuf Soysal
Interesting - I didn't realise there were actually specific speedy keep guidelines. I figure I'll leave that one as it is though, as he clearly meets the WP:ATHLETE criteria (evidence was provided after the first two !votes (both delete), hence no consensus), and I think it'd be a bit of a waste of time to re-open. If you disagree, let me know and I will re-open it. Cheers, пﮟოьεԻ   5  7  08:30, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * It probably is a waste to re-open. Besides, I'm unfamiliar with soccer teams or their notability standards so I have no opinion either way. One thing I would like to point out, however. Just because a athlete meets the wp:athlete criteria doesn't mean that it should be kept. Wp:athlete is a sub-guideline of wp:bio. Notice I used the word "guideline". There's no policy that requires articles to be kept just because they meet the wp:bio criteria. As a matter of fact, if there's a consensus to delete a notable article it must be deleted because Consensus, which is  an overarching policy and one of the "five pillars", trumps any wp:bio guideline. Indeed, there are plenty of reasonable editors around here that disagree with the whole wp:athlete sub-guideline and maintain that only people that meet the wp:bio standard of "multiple coverage in reliable sources" should be considered notable. Secondly, meeting wp:athlete is not automatic notability even if it were treated as a policy. The lede of the sub-guideline section states that "A person is generally notable if they meet any of the following standards..." (emphasis added). The guideline specifically excludes any sort of automatic inclusion Best, -- brew  crewer  (yada, yada) 21:55, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Re:Hector Feliciano
Thank you for the kind words. When I stumbled into Hector Feliciano, I knew that I just had to write about him. Amazing story isn't it. Tony the Marine (talk) 01:08, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

About SheffieldSteel
You ever hear of RickK? Sceptre (talk) 03:52, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Nope. Whodat?-- brew crewer  (yada, yada) 04:03, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * User:RickK. Read his leaving message. Sceptre (talk) 14:56, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I guess those are some of the problems here. But why do you bring this issue to me? -- brew crewer  (yada, yada) 01:05, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

National Museum of Catholic Art and History
since you like to clean-up after me :) What do you think about the mention of the controversy surrounding its collection of monies. It probably needs more but I'm finding more tablod and less reliable source coverage. PS: Holy Cow in 13! TravellingCari  05:04, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay, you plastered this link on my talkpage, so I'll go ahead and ruin it now :) Feel free to revert whatever doesn't please you. Real life had caught up with me, so I'm kinda limited Wikipedia-wise. I see you are still keeping tabs on the Yanks. Why? Are you checking out their prospects for the 2010 season? -- brew crewer  (yada, yada) 05:30, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay, played around a bit, but I must get to sleep now. Will look at it next time I log in. -- brew crewer  (yada, yada) 05:37, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Danke, as always. Just curious what does ce mean? Never seen that before I don't think. I think it looks fine, apart from what I know I need to add anyway. Know what you mean re: real life, no time for down time. Always love my Yankees, it ain't over 'til it's over. I'm not discounting a run if they ever manage to switch it on for more than two games in a row. Hope life chills out for you and you get some rest. TravellingCari  15:47, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
 * haha. i'm the one that's usually perplexed by your abbreviations. " CE" means copy edit. -- brew crewer  (yada, yada) 16:31, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Duh! Should have got that from LoCE. Question re this edit, otherwise I agree and you're so getting co-creidt on DYK if I get it there. I'm pretty sure it is the same person. Did you find evidence it wasn't? ust curious. TravellingCari  17:55, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
 * The article you linked states that she's 49, and the Cox with the article is much younger. Congrats on the Moose's #16. Amazing!-- brew crewer  (yada, yada) 02:25, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Miracles. I think he needs to be coach and player. Impeach Eiland. Hmmm. I think something is wrong because from the evidence I've found it's the same actress in osme of the same roles. Odd. TravellingCari  03:27, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Devil's Weed
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Walnut Street Historic District (Oneonta, New York)

 * ) Don't waste your time on these, those were three second stubs to be a bit pointy at an AfD -- just create the subs rather than argue at AfD. I did three but there are other articles I want to work on. I'm bad :) but as always thanks for the help TravellingCari  16:11, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Hello! You should know by now, I don't create stuff. All I do here is ruin other people's creations and argue at afd's.
 * :-p You're more inclusionist than you were when we first 'met' TravellingCari  16:18, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * That's true, I have moved to the "left" somewhat. I think you also moved a bit towards inclusionism. No? Btw, did you nominating that Catholic museum for a DYK?-- brew crewer  (yada, yada) 16:25, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I did, answered you on my talk. Link already off my c/p so can't put it here. Multi tasking to the nth degree :) I am more inclusionist -- I swear I get more "complaints" for de-tagging things and fixing than I do for deleting. That and the fact that I don't enjoy cleaning out CSDs. I like the fun of trying to see if something is salvageable (sp?) TravellingCari  16:32, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh cool, I need my DYK fix. I just realized that its pretty dumb me, I could have just checked the DYK talk page at the date the article was created. Whatever. In case you're unaware and would like to get involved, there are two more redlinked dab pages up for afd here and here. -- brew crewer  (yada, yada) 16:49, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Will go have a squiz. DYK junkie :-p TravellingCari  17:12, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Mike and the Mad Dog
Yes, I saw your point. After I reviewed the page, I saw more than the two sections tagged had no references, like Show format and discussions and some in Incidents and Controversies. I will put your original version back. Thanks a lot for telling me the reason. --Chaohwa (talk) 17:14, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Re: post on my talk page
Looks like Tom already salted it after he deleted it. Thanks for letting me know. Cheers! J.delanoy gabs adds 19:20, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Hey
I remembered that you said you liked politics, so here's a challenge for you. See Talk:Federal_Republic_of_Yugoslavia_in_the_Eurovision_Song_Contest. Grk1011 (talk) 03:38, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, my. I took one look and ran away as fast as possible. That whole discussion is messy enough without me, and I'm not really familiar with that whole situation. But thanks for the heads up. -- brew crewer  (yada, yada) 04:14, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
 * lol, I just won't end! Grk1011 (talk) 13:48, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Ee Irupatthiyonnaam Noottaandu
An article that you have been involved in editing, Ee Irupatthiyonnaam Noottaandu, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Articles for deletion/Ee Irupatthiyonnaam Noottaandu. Thank you.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 21:15, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Mike and the Mad Dog link
New York Post, Friday, August 15, 2008, page 109: "Good or bad, Mike & Dog made history. I will try to find it online Johndoeemail (talk) 18:47, 24 August 2008 (UTC) (it was on my kitchen chair :) )

I found an online source and posted it on the discussion page there: http://www.nypost.com/seven/08142008/sports/good_or_bad__mike__dog_made_history_124474.htm Johndoeemail (talk) 18:52, 24 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks a lot. I will incorporate it now. -- brew crewer  (yada, yada) 18:54, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Ok, i guess i like wiki, ill read the newbie stuff you put on my page b4 i post anymore. it'll prolly save other people headaches... I hope the newbie stuff tells me how you moved the footnotes around in mike and the mad dog so you made that one footnote 1 and moved all the others back one footnote...way too complicated for me. fyi, i just learned how to do enter "edit summary" text the other day.Johndoeemail (talk) 04:51, 29 August 2008 (UTC)


 * You're doing just fine. Don't worry about reading too much stuff, you'll learn more from editing pages and interacting with other editors. Regarding the footnotes, I just added one footnote, and it automatically moves up all the footnotes one number. If you have any questions don't hesitate to ask. -- brew crewer  (yada, yada) 13:27, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Todd Palin
Looks like Todd Palin DID survive a deletion debate. The 1st one didn't but the 2nd one did. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Michelle_Paige_Paterson —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wifi2008 (talk • contribs) 16:38, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
 * That afd wasn't really about him, it was only added mid-discussion. In any case, it is irrelevant. Right now, he's the spouse of a vice president candidate and he deserves an article. Don't worry, it won't be long before a more reasonable administrator will unlock the page so that it can be properly edited. -- brew crewer  (yada, yada) 16:46, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

This is so sad that Wikipedia is controlled by less than "more reasonable administrators". I am ready to write for BOTH articles. The Mrs. Biden article isn't so good. The Mr. Palin article is in the middle of an ocean wearing cement shoes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.176.20.2 (talk) 17:10, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
 * The Mrs. Biden article can be edited - Jill Biden. We'll have to be a little patient regarding the Palin. -- brew  crewer  (yada, yada) 17:13, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you for your compliments! I used to write here every few months, usually with fixing spelling and maybe commenting on the incidents page. Then with the news of Mrs. Palin, I decided to write something about him as he's an average dude that is now in the news. Only later did I find out there was so much opposition! To me, he's a neutral dude unless you really hate his wife or the Republican Party so much that you want to smear him. People like you encourage others to contribute. It's when some people are snappy that it either turns others away or makes them retaliate with vandalism. Radiomango (talk) 21:32, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I know the feeling. Some editors get kicks out of making up problems with others behavior and blocking stuff instead of contributing to articles. You gotta get used to it. Best of luck! -- brew crewer  (yada, yada) 21:41, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

opinion?
I have found a disturbing potential problem. There is one editor that was opposed to the Todd Palin article before and is now editing it, removing some details. If this continues, more and more details may be removed until it will look like a joke article ripe for removing. The person seems very partisan having a hatred of Republicans (looking at his other edits). I am not interested in Republicans or Democrats; you won't see me editing John McCain or Barack Obama. I am just interested in this average dude that is now semi-famous. There seems to be an effort to remove anything remotely positive so that the rest is just bland.

Without having to "prove" this person has bad motives (which I don't intend to do), what prevents others opposing the article from making the article shorter and worst? Radiomango (talk) 22:24, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I have to run now so I can't really take a look at it. However - and this is one of the great things about Wikipedia - all problems are not set in stone and can be rectified at a later time. -- brew  crewer  (yada, yada) 22:35, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

CfD nomination of Category:Down syndrome people
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