User talk:Brewcrewer/Archives/2009/February

RfA thanks
Thank you for the trust you placed in me by supporting my RfA (which passed and, apparently, I am now an admin!). I will do my best to continue to act in a way that is consistent with the policies of wikipedia as well with our common desire to build and perfect this repository of human knowledge; and can only hope that you never feel that your trust was misplaced. Thanks again! --Regent's Park (Rose Garden) 23:57, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

question
Hello, While you and I have disagreed quite a bit on that one article, I would like to ask you if you think I have made any comment that could be perceived as antisemitic. Feel free to say what you want here, I will not hold it against you in any way. I would like to know because I do not consider myself an anti-semite and if I have ever given that impression I would very much like to correct it. Thanks, Nableezy (talk) 00:39, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
 * It's hard to distinguish between all the editors at the Gaza conflict article, but no, I don't recall any specific statements that clearly indicated that its author was an antisemite. Best, -- brew crewer  (yada, yada) 00:45, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Notification of arbitration enforcement
I am concerned by your comments on Wikifan12345's talk page and I have raised the matter at Arbitration enforcement. Please see WP:AE. -- ChrisO (talk) 01:14, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Bah. I ain't going there. You can dramatize away as you please. You should know, that in general, talking to editors (something I learned from User:Elonka) gets far better results then insulting templates. If you would like to get a problematic editor like Wikifan12345 to calm down, the best course of action is to be empathetic and ask nicely before plastering his talk page with templates. Templates breeds insults which breeds more unnecessary drama. -- brew crewer  (yada, yada) 04:57, 4 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Already been tried. RomaC asked Wikifan12345 to cease personal attacks at 08:15, 3 February 2009; Wikifan12345 not only ignored that, he deleted the warning from his talk page and carried on making personal attacks. It's time for a block now. -- ChrisO (talk) 08:17, 4 February 2009 (UTC)


 * RomaC was one of the people that he was arguing with at the talkpage. I wouldn't make a big deal out of his template. In any case, he recently returned and all indications are that he will no longer act uncivilly. I really can't understand why you're so itching to block him. In any case, I'm not really interested in your obsession with Wikifan12345. Take your issues up at his talkpage or at WP:AE. Best of luck, -- brew crewer  (yada, yada) 22:20, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

regarding Albert Hammond, Jr.
Hey Brewcrewer. It has come to my attention that you have moved the page Albert Hammond, Jr. recently, and in my opinion the page move was made in a hurry without everyone's consensus over the matter, so I have decided that a discussion will be taking place to discuss about the page move, if you have any reason to support the page move that you've made earlier, feel free to post it in the discussion page, best of wishes, no harm intended, peace. Signed, kotak kasut 08:59, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

South Park Mexican
There is a dispute, and I am personally curious about what the right thing is to be done, on the South Park Mexican article. Should his child molestation conviction be noted in the introductory paragraph? I really don't know. I hope you can help (like you did on the Recluse article, thank you). Belasted (talk) 04:09, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid I'm leaning towards disagreeing with you one this one. When a notable person has a minor conviction it should not be noted mentioned in the lede. However, this case is different because a major part of his notability is the molestation issue. Also, due to this conviction he's currently in prison and will be there for while. I do agree that the phrasing is a bit awkward and can be reformatted a bit. We might also add some more information about his music career to the lede to minimize the awkwardness. -- brew crewer  (yada, yada) 05:11, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

No content in Category:Swedish Sunni Muslims
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My comments at Gaza conflict
Technically it would be ad hominems. But I don't get it. What's the attack? Saying I welcomed their input? That they got themselves blocked? --JGGardiner (talk) 07:19, 5 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Maybe you should take a moment to read what I said literally. I think you are reading sarcasm into or implications that were not intended.  I had already clarified the remark with this post -- 13 minutes before you contacted me.  You might note that I even respond to Roma's joke with a serious comment (followed by a different joke).  I think this is in line with what I've been saying at the article generally, what I said after John's blockk, what I said after Tundrabuggy's and even what I say to vandals like I did recently here and here.  I welcome everyone's input and I really do think it is unfortunate that users sometimes lose their ability to speak because they were too passionate.  I think it is problematic when editors are blocked and moreso when they share the same perspective.


 * I think you've misread me and misread my comment. I think my comment could only be problematic if one reads sarcasm into it or some sort of implication that was not intended.  And if I may be blunt, when you respond to a comment according to the malicious intent you're read into it, you are not assuming good faith. --JGGardiner (talk) 20:23, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
 * JGGardiner, it is easy to not assume good faith here sometimes when other editors are constantly sending one to various forums in an effort to get our side blocked. I think if you look over the record you will see that, much like crime statistics, all that are sanctioned are those who are reported.  Then at the hearing, all the buddies chime in.  In fact, my block was without notice nor was Ieven told in time to defend myself.  In fact it was "my buddy brewcrewer" who told me where I could find the ban discussion intiated by Cerejota. The banning admin told me later that he was not required to allow me to defend myself or even notify me of the hearing, though listened to  (and was influenced by) comments from the other side.  Brewcrewer and I (and others) both have been reported several times by users on this page for "edit warring" and 3RR etc. and the pro-Palestinian editors have come to "court" to throw stones, figuratively speaking. Then one gets comments like this one  where we are accused of "taking marching orders" from CAMERA and being "CAMERA Rangers" etc, it is easy to start feeling a little paranoid.  Sometimes it gets hard to assume good faith when there actually are ogres behind every tree.  Tundrabuggy (talk) 04:46, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Soap Opera Rapid Aging Syndrome
I hate to bother you again, but since you deleted the list in the Recluse article, I thought you'd a good person to discuss this with. Check out the examples list in the Soap Opera Rapid Aging Syndrome article. What do you say, get rid of it? Belasted (talk) 22:36, 6 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Hey Belasted, I'm happy to see you take WP:V seriously. The same cannot be said about most editors around here. The list at Recluse was far more egregious because it dealt with living people and was sort of defamatory. This soap opera stuff is not that dangerous. As a matter of fact, most of these fiction stuff are unfortunately unsourced. That's one of the reasons I stay away from there. With these type of stuff, I would suggest you tag it with or  and bring it up at the talkpage before deleting it. Best, -- brew  crewer  (yada, yada) 05:11, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Well, wouldn't you agree that the list is a bit huge? Perhaps it should be separate from the main article? Belasted (talk) 05:14, 7 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Maybe. I've seen bigger. Does it comply with Article size?-- brew crewer  (yada, yada) 05:19, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for the comment. No hard feelings. I guess I was trying to be ironic on the article talk and maybe I said it poorly. I guess that's what happens when you edit so late at night.

About the general problem, I'm Canadian so hockey metaphors come to my mind easily. So if you'll indulge me: A lot of hockey players will think that a referee is biased and sometimes they are. Sometimes it seems that the ref will call a little hook or slash against one team but allow it when the other team does it. As a player you can get mad at the double-standard but that won't do anything. The best way to deal with it is to make sure you don't give the ref an excuse to call a penalty in the first place.

I don't think any editors were on their best behaviour at the article. Or maybe a few that I could count on one hand. I think that a few got away with little slashes here and there. We should all do better and especially those who feel the refs don't like them. Cheers. --JGGardiner (talk) 09:05, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Rachel Corrie
Sorry about causing a commotion at the R.C. article. Malcolm Schosha (talk) 19:51, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Latest ANE thingy
I wrote to Sandstein's page for clarification regarding the first notice put up and he said it was not in the proper format. When I suggested a format he said that was not correct either. By that token it strikes me that my banning from the article was not in the proper format either, so I've asked him to please take a look at my earlier banning in the archive and see how that differs. He seemed to think Cerejota's comment should have been taken to ANI rather than ANE. I really can't see why mine was adjudicated there if his was not. Anyway, keep an eye on his page, maybe we will learn something about finding our way around the maze of courtrooms, lol. I'm not big on drama, but if I'm being thrust into it against my will, I might as well go to drama school. Tundrabuggy (talk) 22:07, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Notification
Hi Brewcrewer, I appreciate you're aware of these restrictions, however, just to confirm: As a result of an arbitration case, the Arbitration committee has acknowledged long-term and persistent problems in the editing of articles related to the Palestinian-Israeli conflict, broadly understood. As a result, the Committee has enacted broad editing restrictions, described here and below.


 * Any uninvolved administrator may, on his or her own discretion, impose sanctions on any editor working in the area of conflict if, despite being warned, that editor repeatedly or seriously fails to adhere to the purpose of Wikipedia, any expected standards of behavior, or any normal editorial process.
 * The sanctions imposed may include blocks of up to one year in length; bans from editing any page or set of pages within the area of conflict; bans on any editing related to the topic or its closely related topics; restrictions on reverts or other specified behaviors; or any other measures which the imposing administrator believes are reasonably necessary to ensure the smooth functioning of the project.
 * Prior to any sanctions being imposed, the editor in question shall be given a warning with a link to this decision; and, where appropriate, should be counseled on specific steps that he or she can take to improve his or her editing in accordance with relevant policies and guidelines.
 * Discretionary sanctions imposed under the provisions of this decision may be appealed to the imposing administrator, the appropriate administrators' noticeboard (currently WP:AE), or the Committee.

These editing restrictions may be applied to any editor for cause, provided the editor has been previously informed of the case. This message is to so inform you. This message does not necessarily mean that your current editing has been deemed a problem; this is a template message crafted to make it easier to notify any user who has edited the topic of the existence of these sanctions.

Generally, the next step, if an administrator feels your conduct on pages in this topic area is disruptive, would be a warning, to be followed by the imposition of sanctions (although in cases of serious disruption, the warning may be omitted). Hopefully no such action will be necessary.

This notice is only effective if given by an administrator and logged here. PhilKnight (talk) 16:16, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Hey
I don't know how. : ( Why? Wikifan12345 (talk) 22:08, 9 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Oh yeah thanks. Wikifan12345 (talk) 01:03, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for your help. Kinetochore (talk) 22:25, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Sure, no prob. Be in touch please.-- brew crewer  (yada, yada) 03:25, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Question
Regarding the article Corcoran why is there a completely seperate article on the surname of Corcoran.It does not make any since why have they not been merged? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 143.239.68.18 (talk) 15:56, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * The common scheme is to spinoff surnames from disambiguation pages. Although they are more prevalent at more popular names like Smith or Johnson, they can be found at less-popular names as well. Best, -- brew crewer  (yada, yada) 21:54, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Regarding Francisco Rodriguez (baseball)
Link to support: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/mets/2008/12/13/2008-12-13_francisco_rodriguez_talks_to_news_from_v.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ctorrealba (talk • contribs) 18:17, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot. Would you like to add it to the article?-- brew  crewer  (yada, yada) 21:44, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Category:United States District Court for the District of North Dakota
I notice that this category is unpopulated (empty). In other words, no Wikipedia pages belong to (are members of) it. If it remains unpopulated for four days, it may be deleted, without discussion, in accordance with Criteria for speedy deletion. I'm notifying you, the creator of the category, in case you wish to (re-)populate it by adding to articles/categories that belong in it.

I have also blanked the category page. This will not, in itself, cause the category to be deleted. It serves to document (in the page history) that the category was empty at the time of blanking and also to alert other watchers that the category is in jeopardy. You are welcome to revert the blanking if you wish. However, doing so will not prevent deletion if the category remains empty.

If you created the category in error, or it is no longer needed, you can speed up the deletion process by tagging it with db-author.

--Stepheng3 (talk) 20:40, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

question
you may know the answer to this given your other interests, and i dont feel like looking through the rules, but is there policy against having an article on a single game? i think game 6 of the 98 nba finals could use its own article (there are countless sources just on whether or not jordan pushed off russell on the final shot). Is there some rule that says no articles on single games? Nableezy (talk) 17:21, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
 * There are articles on single games; for example, every Superbowl and Orangebowl has its own article. I don't know about an article about a single basketball games, however. I guess the difference is that football playoffs is generally just one game, not a series. So in basketball the article is just about the series, not any single game within the series. But I don't think there's a specific rule against articles about one game. -- brew crewer  (yada, yada) 17:34, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
 * yeah i was looking at a comparison with single baseball world series games, cant really find individual games having their own article, even the game interrupted by an eartquake in 89 is in the series article. Ill try to work on it and guess ill find out if somebody wants to delete it. Thanks, Nableezy (talk) 17:46, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll probably try to get it deleted. Back in the day, I wasn't sure who I hated more, Hamas or the Chicago Bulls ;-)-- brew crewer  (yada, yada) 17:59, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I kind of want to delete the articles on the city of Detroit and anything that even mentions the Pistons or Isiah Thomas. Or at least make it clear that the pistons are among the worst franchises in all of sports (i think a HRW cite should be sufficient). Nableezy (talk) 18:03, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I guess my knowledge of basketball history is not up to par. I didn't know Chicago hates Detroit. I guess before Chicago was winning their championships, they were held back by the BadBoys. I'm actually the leading editor at the Isiah Thomas article. I got there because I actually felt bad for the guy and there were so many editors taking out their hatred on his WP article. -- brew crewer  (yada, yada) 18:12, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Chicago hates Detroit with a passion (I think I can speak on behalf of the city). It just wasnt that they were held back, or how they were held back (dirtiest team of all time), but when we finally beat them in the playoffs every Piston besides Joe Dumars walked off the court in the final minute so they wouldnt have to congratulate the Bulls. The only reason I still slightly like Dumars. Far as Thomas goes, I think there are people from Chicago and New York that hate him so much I do not envy trying to keep that article in check. But the man did kill an entire basketball league (the CBA) and then went on to destroy one of the marquee names in the game, the Knicks. I wouldnt feel bad for him, but good luck in keeping that one quiet. Nableezy (talk) 18:18, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Those Badboys were really a cast of characters. When I play basketball with my friends (Tundrabuggy, et. al. :-) they're always comparing my to Rodman. I don't have much of a shooting touch but I'm always creating a ruckus at D. Kinda like my WP behavior, at times :-) Thomas is really the story of Job. How the mighty have fallen. This recent suicide brouhaha, where he blaming his overdose on his own daughter really put the cherry on top. -- brew crewer  (yada, yada) 18:29, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
 * my favorite Thomas story is that he was supposedly supposed to be on the roster for the first dream team, and jordan allegedly said if thomas is on the team he wont be so they left thomas off. around here we call that an in your face. Nableezy (talk) 19:00, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

would this image be suitable for wikipedia or too artsy? Cant find any other free images on this, would appreciate the input. Nableezy (talk) 01:04, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm not much of image guy, I don't even know how to get one uploaded, but in my experience at WP, any pic is better then no pic at all. Take for example this Zionist swine ;-) -- brew crewer  (yada, yada) 04:13, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

So Brett knocks A-Fraud/A-Roid off the back oages....
well Joe got that one right. Selig trying to suspend him? Yeah, good luck with that. A-Rod's an idiot but Selig is making himself look worse. StarM 01:56, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Selig's an idiot, but these days I just consider A-Rod a cartoon character. Btw, I rarely see typos in section headings, but then again, my brain wasn't being fried by UV rays for the last few weeks :) -- brew  crewer  (yada, yada) 04:15, 13 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Ditto on cartoon character. I'm trying so hard to switch gears to baseball -- esp since I have a free trial of MLB Network - but I'm not ready. Friend trying to talki me into playing in his fantasy league. Do you play? I've played fantasy football but never baseball. I find the concept of managing a team for 162 games daunting. StarM  03:42, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Never joined a fantasy league. My nerdiness stops with Wikipedia :-) -- brew crewer  (yada, yada) 19:32, 14 February 2009 (UTC)


 * LOL. I suppose mine lies with watching reruns of NFL games on NFLN? Nah mine has no boundaries. StarM  04:59, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

My user name
Why is it of interest to you? It is not 'bannable' if that is what you are hoping. --Falastine fee Qalby (talk) 04:36, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Is it a secret?-- brew crewer  (yada, yada) 04:39, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
 * No, but I think you are wikistalking me. I have translated my name numerous times including on Anonmoos' page. It seems that I have to make a section about my user name on my user page. I will be sure to mention that it was your curiosity that prompted this explanation. --Falastine fee Qalby (talk) 04:44, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

"Palestine in my heart", apparently. Keep in mind that unless he's into baseball, he might find your user name equally baffling. d:) Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 04:59, 15 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes, I realized that. That same place is in my heart as well, so we must be related ;-)-- brew crewer  (yada, yada) 05:01, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Antisemitic incidents alleged to be related to the 2008–2009 Israel–Gaza conflict
Hi Brewcrewer, you commented on the talk page of the admin who closed this discussion as delete. I wanted to let you know that I put the deletion up for review. As far as I know, any editor can comment there, and your input would be welcome. Happy editing. Jalapenos do exist (talk) 01:02, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I beat you to it. I had the deletion admin's talkpage watchlisted and saw your notice. I wouldn't have done the DRV myself; "my experience tells me this won't get overturned." But I guess it's worth a shot. Btw, I noticed your work at the Gaza conflict page, you're doing a great job there especially under the circumstances. Every once in a while I stop by there, but I have to be in the right mood. I'm sure you know what I mean. Best, -- brew crewer  (yada, yada) 04:49, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I try not to spend too much time there myself. There are a few dicks there who can really get under my skin. I'm sure you know what I mean. :) Jalapenos do exist (talk) 23:15, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for reminding of my fallibility. I now realize I have to eat the words: "my experience tells me this won't get overturned." -- brew crewer  (yada, yada) 23:19, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
 * It's already been nominated for AfD again. Jalapenos do exist (talk) 23:40, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I just realized that. Jeez! Talk about desperation.-- brew crewer  (yada, yada) 23:43, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Breaking of links
I replied to your comment at Talk:Israeli West Bank barrier. Lapsed Pacifist (talk) 19:03, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Can you explain why you broke all those links? Lapsed Pacifist (talk) 20:03, 13 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Don't have patience to go through the entire article checking which links are repeated and which aren't really needed. One thing is forsure, the previous version was better then the way too overlinked reverted version. Best,-- brew crewer  (yada, yada) 20:10, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

A quick scan shows that the majority of the links you broke:

Israeli government, separation barrier, exclusion area, West Bank, Palestinian terrorism, suicide bombing, terror attack, terrorism, crimes against humanity, annexation, Israeli settlement, International Court of Justice, international law, Israeli-occupied territories, confiscation, Palestinian Authority, Jamal Juma, Jew, Bible, God of Israel, Arabs, Judea, Samaria, Egypt, apartheid, Second Intifada, Israeli Supreme Court and Gilboa

aren't linked anywhere else in the article. I'm afraid your assessment of which version is better is based on a spurious premise. I hope you don't make a habit of this. Lapsed Pacifist (talk) 21:12, 13 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Your assessment can be different them mine, which is one the great things about this collaborative effort. However, calling my assessment "spurious", is not within the WP:CIVIL requirements and borders on a WP:NPA. Don't make this into a habit. Best,-- brew crewer  (yada, yada) 21:18, 13 February 2009 (UTC)


 * A more careful reading of my comment will show you I didn't call your assessment spurious, although I do disagree with it. I'm beginning to get the impression that you can be somewhat hasty at times. Lapsed Pacifist (talk) 21:30, 13 February 2009 (UTC)


 * If you would like to avoid editors' getting the wrong impression of your comments you might want to avoid commenting of contributors instead of content.-- brew crewer  (yada, yada) 19:31, 14 February 2009 (UTC)


 * If you want to avoid comments on your behaviour I suggest you either defend it or change it. It's been three days, and you have neither restored the links you broke or explained why you believe they should remain broken. I came here because I thought you might have a genuinely good reason for doing what you did and I wanted to hear what it was rather than simply reverting your edit. From your replies I don't believe that's the case anymore, and I can't see any alternative but to revert an edit I believe detracts from the article. Lapsed Pacifist (talk) 10:20, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Falastine fee Qalby
"Falastine fee Qalby" means "Palestine in my heart", but it makes use of a highly informal and slipshod (not to mention inconsistent!) form of transcription from Arabic, and the pronunciation which it indicates seems to represent a confused indeterminate mish-mash of Classical Arabic and colloquial dialect, without being clearly one thing or the other. That's why I teased him with "kalby" -- since with his inaccurate transcription practices, "Kalby"[sic] could well be a transcription of &#1602;&#1604;&#1576;&#1610; or &#1603;&#1604;&#1576;&#1610; ... AnonMoos (talk) 05:05, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you A-Moose for the explanation. Btw, I did some editing at Abdul Rahman al-Iryani to resolve the copyvio problems. I would like your input. Maybe we can collaborate further at the article. -- brew crewer  (yada, yada) 05:08, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

"Slipshod"? Hmmm... what do the reliable sources say? >:) I know very little Arabic. For example, "al Jazeera" means "the Jazeera", which doesn't seem to help much in understanding it. :( Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 05:12, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
 * "al" means "the"? That's the first thing I learned today.-- brew crewer  (yada, yada) 05:17, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
 * We actually have an article on al-! Jazeerah most basically and literally means "island", but it (or related forms derived from it) is used in several geographic names which don't really refer to islands... AnonMoos (talk) 08:38, 15 February 2009 (UTC)


 * A scholarly transliteration of the pure Classical Arabic form would be Filastīn fī qalbī (but with a special symbol for the "emphatic" t which is not to easy to use in my particular browser setup), as I pointed out in remarks which Fee Qalby has already deleted from his user talk page. You could look up the transcriptions of the individual words in the Dictionary of Modern Written Arabic (but qalbī has a suffix which won't show up in the dictionary entry). AnonMoos (talk) 05:21, 15 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Save this crap for an article where the rules for transliteration are rigid. This is a user name, you are going overboard with this especially when your poor Arabic transliteration of your English user name was waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay off and very comical. Annamous (الناموس) is not close to Anonmoos and it means the mosquito. Hilarious and your hissy fit over my usernmame just adds to the fun and irony.--Falastine fee Qalby (talk) 05:29, 15 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Too bad that your knowledge of Classical Arabic seems to be somewhat limited -- الناموس meaning "mosquito" (or "mosquitos" collective) isn't even really pure Classical Arabic anyway, and the word has a quite different meaning in Classical Arabic itself. If I had wanted to transcribe my username exactly using the Arabic alphabet, I would have done so, but I didn't.  I wanted to find the nearest interesting Arabic word that sounded similar to my username, which I did.  AnonMoos (talk) 08:50, 15 February 2009 (UTC)


 * P.S. I'm not demanding that you use a scientific transliteration in your username (and in fact have no particular right to ask you to change your username in any way), but I still find it rather strange (perhaps bordering on the actively bizarre) that you transcribe the same basic Arabic long [i] vowel sound in three separate ways in your username: 1) "i" accompanied by silent "e", 2) "ee", 3) "y"... AnonMoos (talk) 09:57, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Guys: Please feel right at home at my talkpage. -- brew crewer  (yada, yada) 05:34, 15 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Since you did welcome the world, maybe you can see why somebody would be offended from somebody changing it from Falastine fee Qalby (Palestine in my heart) to Falastine fee Kalby (Palestine in my dog) as that same place is in your heart as well. Seems pretty dickish and antagonistic for somebody who knows Arabic that well to do. Nableezy (talk) 05:37, 15 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Whatever -- since Fee Qalby started out on the Iryani article by referring to Haaretz as a disreputable tabloid (which it ain't) and using the word "adopted"[sic] in a rather dishonest way, demonstrating that he's more concerned with showing off his in-your-face posturing attitudes than with actually improving the article, therefore I didn't really feel much inclined to take a deferential approach. The Arabic letter qaf is often transliterated as "k" in informal ad-hoc transcriptions into English (or sometimes as "kh", "g" etc., depending on the vernacular dialect transcribed, as in "Khaddafi"/"Gaddafi"), and "Falastine fee" is exactly an informal ad-hoc transcription.  The holy book of Islam was most often known as the "Koran" in English before the twentieth century (when it wasn't known as the "Alcoran"). AnonMoos (talk) 08:38, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
 * You are a smart person, you knew what you were doing and why you were doing it. You took the time to purposefully misspell the username just to piss off that user. Even if that user pissed you off before that, what was the point of doing that? Come off it, you did it just to insult the user, we both know this to be true. And then you did it again. Aint a point to that, all it does is get people deeper in the trenches, me and brewcrewer will never agree on a single point in a single article related to Israel and the Arab world. Probably have large dispute on the usage of "is" over "was", and probably let some incivility fly as well, but I am not going to intentionally insult him. I might intentionally insult his contribution, but not him. Nableezy (talk) 08:57, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, the very first edit which Fee Qalbi made on the Iryani article had an edit summary which seems to have been carefully chosen to be deliberately and intentionally annoying -- and as a result of that, and certain other of Fee Qalbi's actions, I became annoyed, and saw little reason to conceal my annoyance.  I can respect those whose opinions I disagree with, but those whose attitudes seriously get in the way of article improvement is a more dificult matter. AnonMoos (talk) 09:11, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
 * He insulted a newspaper, if you can call that an insult as every newspaper is biased, not you. You dont see a difference? And even if he did insult you, was this the best way to deal with, considering the amount of experience you have here opposed to Falastine fee Qalby's? Nableezy (talk) 09:37, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I wasn't personally insulted or offended, but on the other hand, Fee Qalby revealed himself to be either ignorant or arrogant -- and this was the first thing I saw done by Fee Qalby, but it did nothing to help set a constructive tone for future cooperative collaboration. "You never get a second chance to make a first impression", as they say... AnonMoos (talk) 04:00, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
 * If encouraging plagiarizing and violating copyright law wasn't bad enough, he is gone to a new low by lying about what I said and what what I have argued. Bring the diff where I said Haaretz is a 'disreputable tabloid' if you are not a liar (impossible since the diff doesn't exist, so you are a proven liar). I called Haaretz a 'biased newspaper' I even called it a generally reliable source, both of which I still back. You have lost what little credibility you had. And this ladies and gentlemen is what people have to deal with when crossing paths with user Anonmoos.--Falastine fee Qalby (talk) 21:21, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Of course. I offer my talkpage and my wisdom for all Wikipedians :-) If "Kalby" means "dog" it probably is "dickish and antagonistic" to purposefully interchange the two words. It depends on the context of course, of which I'm unfamiliar with.-- brew crewer  (yada, yada) 05:43, 15 February 2009 (UTC)


 * كلبي means |en|%D9%83%D9%84%D8%A8%D9%8A my dog and would be transliterated as Kalby. Stepping aside from whether فلسطين (Palestine) should be transliterated Falastine of Filastin (which would be correct in Modern Standard Arabic), قلبي, meaning |en|قلبي my heart would be transliterated Qalby in standard Arabic and some dialects. Anonmoos is correct that Falastine is used in many dialects of Arabic, including most of the ones that do not use the Q sound for all but a few words, but there are dialects that both use the Q (and it doesnt really sound like a Q but that is the closest we have) and use Falastine instead of Filastin for Palestine. Hope you enjoyed the Arabic lesson, it can get pretty confusing with all the dialects out there, some of which have even been said to be a complete language separate, though related, to Arabic. And dont even get me started on Moroccan 'Arabic', at least the rest of us understand each other. Nableezy (talk) 06:05, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I guess you're right that there are dialects where qaf is still a voiceless uvular stop in vernacular -- not the dialects with the largest numbers of speakers, however, or those commonly spoken in Palestine itself. Sorry if I overstated the case about it being a mixed pronunciation (though I still have my doubts as to how truly "basilectal" the pronunciation indicated by Fee Qalby's username is, and it's still the case that the use of "q" suggests a more careful scholarly type of transcription, while rest of his username uses a lax journalistic-type transcription, resulting in something of an internal mismatch)... AnonMoos (talk) 04:00, 16 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Changing the word to mean 'my dog' was not the worst of it. Actually, he later said that my motive behind choosing the phrase 'Palestine in my heart' was to annoy people and to be obnoxious. It is kind of sad when people find any pro-Palestinian declaration to be annoying and obnoxious. Ukhhh I don't even know how to deal with people like that. -Falastine fee Qalby (talk) 21:27, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I have seen no evidence that everything that you do on Wikipedia isn't done with the purpose of being annoying and obnoxious. Maybe if you dialed back your confrontational attitudes at least part of the time, then you would find it easier to work with people with diverse backgrounds and a wide range of different opinions -- something which is quite necessary to be successful in Wikipedia work. 04:00, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Translations can be tricky. Keep in mind that when JFK made his famous statement at Berlin, he was telling the world that he was a pastry. And don't forget the Hungarian phrasebook: "My hovercraft is full of eels", etc. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 07:53, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
 * ...and this Valenzuelan whose birthday got lost in translation...-- brew crewer  (yada, yada) 07:58, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
 * That's really kind of an urban legend (see Ich bin ein Berliner). Those who know about the matter say that while "Berliner" has had an additional meaning of a certain kind of pastry at some times and places in the German-speaking countries, it did not have this meaning among inhabitants of Berlin in 1963 (to get ultra-tangential from the original topic here...). AnonMoos (talk) 08:58, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I once asked a German colleague about this so-called "urban legend", and he confirmed it was true, but that the people understood what JFK was trying to say, and they appreciated it. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 12:12, 15 February 2009 (UTC)


 * True, but he knows what he meant, he wrote it up at the top. I just think we shouldn't intentionally insult others, obviously offense is going to be taken at times and it can get pretty heated in some articles, my first interaction with brewcrewer was calling his contribution "bullshit", but needling somebody just for the sake of pissing them off should be frowned upon. Sorry for that brew, and again for calling your next contribution "bullshit", though they still werent that great ;) Nableezy (talk) 07:59, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, you really meant bullshit! Now I'm pissed. I thought you were referring to the Arab transliteration of this.-- brew crewer  (yada, yada) 08:02, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Buddy Holly had a song called "Raining In My Heart". What would that be in Arabic? Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 12:14, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Egyptians would say 'bit matar fi albi' (we dont use the q) though that transliteration is probably wrong and somebody like Anonmoos could give you a better one. The Arabic is |en|%D8%AA%D9%85%D8%B7%D8%B1%20%D9%81%D9%8A%20%D9%82%D9%84%D8%A8%D9%8A تمطر في قلبي Nableezy (talk) 15 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I know a lot about linguistics, and the linguistics and phonology of several Semitic languages, but my ability to read and write Arabic text at any length is rather limited... AnonMoos (talk) 04:00, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

double jeopardy
how about this one: that like jewels without ice; thats like China without rice; or the Holy Bible without Christ; or the Bulls without Mike; or crackheads without pipes; the village without (word removed); or hockey games without fights. My favorite part is the relation between Jesus to MJ :) Nableezy (talk) 00:58, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

I'll take martyred Palestinians for 2000, al-Ex.
 * He survived many assassination attempts only to die from French cooking.
 * Who was Nasser?
 * Nasser? No sir. Yasser.
 * Well, make up yer bloody mind already!

Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 01:37, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

antisemitic incidents
I can't believe we agree, but we did. I swear that had I gotten to your comment before posting, I would have voted different, you know, to keep being my uncivil self.... Srsly, this is a misuse of process if I have ever seen one an AfD not even a week after DRV, and not even a month after first AfD. However, the permatag and gazillion Afds at Israel and the apartheid analogy come to mind... We are bound to have things that are notable, encyclopedic, well-sourced, not OR, but people can't bear existing in an encyclopedia.--Cerejota (talk) 05:31, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Marlins roster
Thanks for your help-DANO- (talk) 06:10, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Sure, no problem. JustSomeRandom is a good editor who takes misinformation very seriously, but can at times misapply WP:V. Keep in touch, -- brew crewer  (yada, yada) 23:20, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

BC SPI
There was a reason for checking, although, as I said, there is the same reason for checking almost anyone from all sides in that discussion, the results came back unrelated, why subjecy TB and BC to having their names up there? All involved saw that it was clean, so putting it to bed quickly, IMO, saves the innocent from extra discomfort. -- Avi (talk) 00:18, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I guess I can only speak for myself, but if I were falsely accused of sockpuppetry I would have like to dramatize as much as possible just to embarrass my accuser when the result comes back negative. The accusations going around are really disgraceful. All non-pro-Palestinians are constantly being accused of being sockpuppets or working for CAMERA. A thread that I initiated resulted in me being warned. I would like that all non-pro-Palestinians go through a CU so that we can finally stop all these accusations. Then, when another accusation gets flung in our direction, the accuser should just be banned/blocked. End of story. -- brew crewer  (yada, yada) 00:30, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I am sorry you feel this way, and you may want to consider an RfC/RfAr. A word of unasked for advice, though, is that in the past, editors who have been perceived as more "aggressive", for lack of a better word, in their inter-editor relationships, have been viewed with more askance than those who have been able to remain more placid, all else equal. It is an outgrowth of the consensus-based processes here, that, perhaps subconsciously, people tend to view more vocal players, often, as less interested in working "with" and more interested in working against. Now, I have to go back and refresh my steward candidacy and hope that maybe someone else dropped by. As much as I like volunteering for the overall projects, this is nerve-wracking :} -- Avi (talk) 00:49, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree, and I would have thought that editors that continuously make baseless accusations would be considered "aggresive", not those that ask for its cessation. Btw, I support your candidacy for stewardship. You can copy and paste this diff there. I can't be bothered going to Meta-whatever and opening an account just to vote for your stewardship. :-) -- brew  crewer  (yada, yada) 00:54, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree in theory, which is why I believe you may have enought to file an RfC, should you be so inclined. Regarding Meta, thank you! Unfortunately, that won't work as you have to do it yourself :-P Although with SUL, if your account is linked/global already, you should not need to create a new account, if you're logged in here, you can click on the meta link and be logged in there automatically. If you're interested, I have a link on my userpage, if you click, check to make sure your name shows up in the top bar as on EnWiki, otherwise, faggedaboudit :D -- Avi (talk) 01:52, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
 * How's the vote going over there? Does it look like you'll get it?-- brew crewer  (yada, yada) 01:55, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
 * It's still up in the air. 80% or a 4:1 ratio is the cut-off. I'm at a tad over 75% (or a 3:1) ratio. At this point I need around 36 supports with no opposes (stands at 124:40) which is actually doable, as this is over all wikispace, but it is looking a bit less likely. Que cera, cera :) -- Avi (talk) 02:02, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok, I'll see if I can get my ass over there. Btw, when you're in the mood of showing off your Latin please provide a wikilink so that I know what the heck you're talking about :-) -- brew crewer  (yada, yada) 02:06, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Hey, I just saw this, tried to vote. Guess I don't have a global account. Too late? And BC, it's not quite Latin: see Whatever_Will_Be,_Will_Be_(Que_Sera,_Sera). IronDuke  03:20, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I think we're only eligible to vote if we we're long time editors there or have a global account. I was unable, however, to figure out these instructions. Let me know if you have better luck.-- brew crewer  (yada, yada) 03:26, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Y'all don't need a global account; it's just easier. If you create an account there, and put a link on the Meta userpage to your Enwiki page, and vice versa, that's enough. Some pointers if you're interested:
 * Stewards/elections 2009/Guidelines
 * m:Help:Unified login

For what it is worth, Brewcrewer is eligible to vote, should he follow one of the above methods, as is IronDuke. -- Avi (talk) 03:58, 17 February 2009 (UTC)


 * So, I reconfigured my accounts and, Avi, I'm sorry to say, after a long, tough decision, I had to oppose. (I keed, I keed. Try the veal.) Brewcrewer, try this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MergeAccount. Just paste 'er into your browser. Once I found that link, it was quite simple to do. IronDuke  04:19, 17 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Thud! Triumph, is that you?! -- Avi (talk) 04:30, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Monticello
This section belongs in this page for the following reasons:

1. It has been for a while 2. its well written 3. Its not decreasing the quality of the page 4. the title itself is catchy 5. it summarizes the basic points very well. 6. it is not a trivia section (even if it was i dont see the problem with trivia sections) 7. no one else seems to have a problem with it 8. it give this article a nice personal touch 9. it lists facts that have no other appropriate place in the article.

Most importantly: at no point has there been any and I mean ANY discussion on the removal of this section. i would say that if a section that someone put a lot of hard work on and a page that that same person put a lot of work on has to be deleted there should be some discussion. Not to just a deletion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.228.169.184 (talk) 00:58, 17 February 2009 (UTC)


 * You're right, but if you look closely you'll see that all the facts within the section are already included in other parts of the article. -- brew crewer  (yada, yada) 01:02, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Well dude not to be rude but whose fault is that? I put a serious amount of energy into this article and I made sure that WHEN i wrote it that there was no doubling up of information. Lets just put it back the way it was. By the by should we be having this discussion on the talk page of monticello?

Oh yeah. Even if this did "resemble" a trivia section. is the solution to just delet information? is wikipedia so committed to have data in a certain format that it would rather be incomplete? 72.228.169.184 (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 01:12, 17 February 2009 (UTC).


 * Okay, you're right. This discussion should be taking place at Monticello. I'll copy and paste this conversation to that talkpage and respond there.-- brew crewer  (yada, yada) 01:21, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks man
Nice work. Thanks for the words of encouragement :) Betacrucis (talk) 03:00, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Palestinian Holocaust Memorial Museum
Hi Brewcrewer:

I am confused with this line which appeared in bold text above your signature, as there is no trace of it in the "history log". Unsure if it is your insertion or someone else's?

" Unnotable website (and the comparison of 1000 killed to 6000000 intentionally killed is horribly insensitive and offensive antisemitic in deed, if not in intent). "

--Dommartin99 (talk) 06:12, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

(P.S: As the article I created on the subject has since been deleted, I am copying below the text so that you have the context in perspective.  You will note -- neither the Palestinian Holocaust Memorial Museum (PHMM) website (in which I am not in any way associated with) nor my article makes any mention of numbers or a “comparison”.   If the PHMM website is not “notable” by Wiki’s criteria, was this line in bold text "( . . . and the comparison of 1000 killed to 6000000 intentionally killed is horribly insensitive and offensive antisemitic in deed, if not in intent). " necessary?  Contrary to the values and ethics of neutrality, it reads like an indictment.

[Text of the deleted article: Palestinian Holocaust Memorial Museum]:

The Palestinian Holocaust Museum is a virtual museum, which was created and launched in March of 2008. It displays the photos, names and stories of Palestinian children and elders killed by Israeli forces during the 2008-2009 Gaza Conflict. The site also documents the kind of weapons used and their devastating impact on the civilian population and infrastructure.

This museum is of historical significance as it provides visual documentation to the atrocities committed during the 2008-2009 Gaza Conflict — currently under investigation by international human rights groups and other legal entities.

In the absence of a physical memorial, this virtual museum serves as an alarming preface and alert to the international community, and seeks its timely intervention to avert the occurrence of an even greater genocide. Similarly, if the Internet was in existence at the time of the Jewish Holocaust, a virtual Jewish Holocaust Museum would certainly have spared several million lives from ignominious death and extermination.

The potential to inflict catastrophic pain, suffering and death is not confined to any one demographic region or ethnic group. It is a universal phenomenon, passed on from generation to generation, in varying levels of intent and perpetration. --Dommartin99 (talk) 07:40, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Palestinian Political Violence
Please explain what was wrong with my explanations, and why your saw fit to undo my hard work. Did you check the talk page before undoing my edits. As an ip address, I do not have the option of labeling minor edits. Please assume good faith!93.96.148.42 (talk) 03:24, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

p.s. I don't know how to show what you did, as I should. Sorry!93.96.148.42 (talk) 03:24, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

baiting
i know what and why you are doing this, but instead im just gonna end up saying fuck it and leave. if thats what is going to make you all happy then fine, i got into this to see if it was possible to have an article that actually covers the topic at hand without passing judgment on either side, without suppressing information and actually being worthy of the title of an encyclopedia article. if this is how it goes then thats cool, ill leave yall be to battle it out, but i dont want to deal with this shit and you know you are wrong on at least half of what you just reverted and you know that the other half should at least be discussed before being changed. its on you, i dont give enough of a shit about this to go through this edit war bullshit, i already know what to believe and what not too. i just hoped that instead of trying to advance one sides agenda we could just say and show what happened. now you can say i am trying to advance the other sides agenda, through the pictures, gaza massacre, whatever, but truthfully all i have tried to do is make sure that neither side was given any better treatment than the other. i just wanted to see if this place could actually try to reflect what happened, but if it cant then fuck it. peace and happiness, and i wish you well in all your future edit wars. im thinking im just gonna finish up my game 6 article and be up, because this clearly doesnt work. Nableezy (talk) 22:35, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm not baiting anything (although you might want to watch out for 3rr :-). User: Cryptonio's insulting edit summaries flashed across my watchlist, so I decided to get involved. -- brew crewer  (yada, yada) 22:39, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
 * i think he isnt being as diplomatic as he should be, but agada has been removing and changing stuff that has stood for ages without any type of consensus. im getting pissed about it too. maybe baiting was harsh, but that was just what i thought with that, was about to revert then i checked my contribs and said fuck it. but just look at what you are changing and tell me that all of that should really be taken out or changed. Nableezy (talk) 22:42, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Barnstar

 * Thank you very much. After all, this is what attorneys are supposed to do. Right? -- brew crewer  (yada, yada) 00:19, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Jonathon/Jon Niese
Why did you move the article to Jon? Every current major sports site lists him as Jonathan. Most sites that refer to him as Jon are older. JustSomeRandomGuy32 (talk) 05:22, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
 * See the edit summary, "Jon" gets 60k ghits while "Jonathan" gets 25k.-- brew crewer  (yada, yada) 05:25, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes I saw that, but read my explanation - It looks really stupid considering every major site has him by his full name - including mets.com - he obviously prefers that. JustSomeRandomGuy32 (talk) 05:30, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Per WP:NC, it doesn't matter which name he likes or which name his employer likes, rather we should "use the most easily recognized name."-- brew crewer  (yada, yada) 05:37, 27 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Well Jonathon is much more 'recognizable' in the major sources.... JustSomeRandomGuy32 (talk) 06:01, 27 February 2009 (UTC)


 * What makes you say that? I wouldn't get all excited about the profiles they all copy off each other. Unlike in news article, there's no independent decision to call him "Jonathon". -- brew crewer  (yada, yada) 06:05, 27 February 2009 (UTC)


 * If you want to use that method Jonathon yields 2 more results. JustSomeRandomGuy32 (talk) 06:18, 27 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Your linky is no good, but you probably meant this. In any case, you're right, it's pretty much dead even in GoogleNews. Thus, the tie-breaker should go to overall Ghits, and as indicated above "Jon" gets more then double the ghits.-- brew crewer  (yada, yada) 06:22, 27 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Again.... much of the 'Jon' hits come from his minors days - the mets.com roster has even jumped between the 2 once or twice since he was added to the 40-man roster. Obviously it has settled on Jonathon for a reason. JustSomeRandomGuy32 (talk) 06:24, 27 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Whether they consciously decided to change the name and why they decided to change it is irrelevant in a WP:NC analysis. Let's just agree to disagree. That being said, I don't think it's that important. If you really want it at Jonathon then move it back.-- brew crewer  (yada, yada) 06:29, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Obviously you know something that mets.com, espn, baseball-reference, Yahoo, and CBS Sports (etc etc) don't. If he's referred to as Jonathon in all these pages and in all current official team business... pretty sure that qualifies as his most common current name.JustSomeRandomGuy32 (talk) 06:31, 27 February 2009 (UTC)


 * And I cant move it back because you made an edit to the old page that is now a redirect. JustSomeRandomGuy32 (talk) 06:31, 27 February 2009 (UTC)


 * As I said, the profiles are all copied from each other and it's irrelevant why they decided to change the name for WP:NC purposes. You're making a decent argument, but I'm not ready to accept that MLB profiles outweigh the greater number of ghits. -- brew crewer  (yada, yada) 06:34, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
 * If I may interject here, I would tend to follow espn on these things, they will use nicknames or shortened names when it is used commonly, such as Magic Johnson or Tom Brady. They use Jonathon Niese in the player card as well in game coverage here and and here, which are recaps from the AP. Nableezy (talk) 06:52, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Or, as the closest possible example, Jon Lester is used on espn instead of Jonathon Lester. Nableezy (talk) 20:33, 27 February 2009 (UTC)