User talk:Briangotts/Rus template

Tribes
I'd rather see East Slavic tribes in the third line. Beit Or 22:16, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm cool with that. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 05:02, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Do we need it?
I don't think we need it. All the main cities and tribes are (or will be shortly) mentioned in the main article about Kievan Rus. There is a list of the country's rulers in Rulers of Kievan Rus'. It's just like creating a template on Russia or United States, basically. There's so much material the template would burst. Furthermore, the template images should be free. Fairuse is not allowed. -- Ghirla -трёп-  08:26, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Oops re:fair use image. I've put the Svyatoslav painting for the moment. Re: your other point; There are in fact templates for Administrative divisions of Russia and Subdivisions of the U.S., both of which are much larger than the proposed Kievan Rus' template. In both cases (and many others) the items listed are all listed in another article. I don't see much difference between this proposal and the Gardariki or Khazar templates. My concern is somewhat different from yours; namely, that many of the articles this template would logically appear on are themselves currently loaded with many different templates. I'm worried about clutter. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 14:33, 1 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I suggest we leave this template for the time being. After we finish Rus' Khaganate and some other urgent articles, I suppose we may return to the matter. -- Ghirla -трёп-  14:57, 1 December 2006 (UTC)


 * We have templates on such huge topics as Jews and Judaism (sidebar) and all the major religions. Beit Or 15:31, 1 December 2006 (UTC)


 * There's already a History of Russia template, but I think this can replace that one on some of the pages (esp. where a page is bogged down with "History of Russia", "history of Belarus", History of "Ukraine" and other "history of" templates (as Kievan Rus' is). I'm ok with holding off for now because I think we need to determine what pages should get a specifically Kievan Rus template- and as you point out Rus' Khaganate needs to be finished and FA'd (and I think Oleg is not far off from FA status either). I don't think in the long run we should drop the idea of this template because I think it would be a valuable navigation tool. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 17:06, 1 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I feel that if you intend to replace the "..."History of Russia", "history of Belarus", History of "Ukraine" and other "history of" templates..." with this, then you should generalise the subject, possibly to "History of Rus'" (with corresp. change in title and links expanded). There was much more to the Rus' history that just the Kievan Rus' entity's land- and time-span. Yury Tarasievich 10:56, 24 January 2007 (UTC)


 * How would you go about organizing that? Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 16:42, 24 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Just for starters, I'd remove "Kievan" from the frame title, and added other major princedoms here (e.g., Turov), possibly all of them. Possibly, added periodisation of Rus' history, at least up to the 14th cent., possibly sub-divided by major "lands" (Red Rus', Black Rus' etc.). Yury Tarasievich 18:35, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

I like it
I made something similar at New France, but yours it much nicer looking. In either case this topic needs to be delt with on its own terms and not just as part of "Russian" or "Ukrainian" history. Kevlar67 (talk) 17:24, 15 February 2008 (UTC)