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File:The Time of Angels illustrative image.jpg listed for deletion
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June 2010
Please stop. If you continue removing Articles for deletion notices or comments from articles and Articles for deletion pages, as you did with File:The Time of Angels illustrative image.jpg, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia. ╟─ Treasury Tag ►  without portfolio  ─╢ 09:00, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
 * You had already been denied the deletion once, perhaps it is YOU who should play by the rules?  BRIANTIST  (talk) 09:15, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
 * The rule is that you are not allowed to remove ifd tags or other deletion notices – that is not complicated, and if you continue to do so, you will be blocked from editing. ╟─ Treasury Tag ►  cabinet  ─╢ 09:18, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, but you seem to apply rules only to others. Can you point me to where I can report you?  Thanks  BRIANTIST   (talk) 09:20, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Certainly. You may report me at the administrators' noticeboard, though I suggest you don't, because in this case, you are in the wrong. ╟─ Treasury Tag ►  constablewick  ─╢ 09:21, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I have made it known.  BRIANTIST   (talk) 09:31, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

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Nomination for deletion of Template:H2G2
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 * It is obviously up to you if you respond and how, but you might want to describe the state the articles were in before the template was used. HairyWombat (talk) 17:59, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Just wanted to say thanks for your work on the script.  BRIANTIST  (talk) 17:22, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

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Audio theatre an article to audio dramas
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London Overground Circle Map
Your "London Overground As A Circle" map is featured on the Altantic Cities blog. D-Notice (talk) 13:00, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
 * And I was at a loose end earlier, so I re-imagined your map slightly, adding the occasionally used line from Camden Road to South Hampstead and a reopened Primrose Hill. JonLaneLondon (talk) 04:30, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Hello, I put an update request on the image as the Overground has recently expanded. Could you add the new lines? Would be nice to bring it up to date - it is a great concept. Thanks. Cnbrb (talk) 23:09, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

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Hi, can you update File:London Overground as a circle.svg please as the Overground has recently expanded with new lines out of Liverpool Street. Here's another diagram to help you. Thanks, Cnbrb (talk) 20:26, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

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Tottenham Hale station
Hi, in you claim "Revert edits by blocked user Whlstation" - but, since edits by ,  and myself were undone too. In fact, Nordic Nightfury had already undone in. -- Red rose64 &#x1f339; (talk) 14:57, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

Croxley Rail Link
This line is still under construction. Unless you have a source that the two stations on the new line are open despite the line being closed, or that the Watford Metropolitan station has been closed and the line turned into a reversing siding, please leave this diagram alone. Britmax (talk) 18:06, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
 * This diagram is about the planned link, so the finalised state is correct.    BRIANTIST   (talk) 09:06, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
 * The diagram illustrates the current state of the project. Although I now partly understand your changes I don't feel that leaving the two planned stations "open" and prematurely "closing" Watford Met is a solution. In my opinion the diagram is better as it is until the line opens and Watford Met closes. Britmax (talk) 09:13, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

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I understand the intention and appreciate the effort you have put into coding the TfLstyle template, but the one-size fits all statements that this uses for station descriptions is not helpful as they are not always reflective of the actual stations. I have deleted a number of the entries you have added to stations for the following reasons: I don't think it is going to be possible to make a set of options that give sufficient detail to the information to cover the whole system and some of the statements in the design idiom booklet are so general as to be useless. Much of the colour scheme information relates to platform signage rather than to the buildings. --DavidCane (talk) 00:39, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Baker Street tube station - Nothing of Leslie Green's Bakerloo line station building remains or his tiling design at platform levels.
 * Marylebone station - Green's station was demolished in the 1930s and a new access created through the mainline station. His tiling has been replaced with a similar scheme.
 * Clapham North tube station - This was not a Morden extension station, it opened a quarter of a century earlier. Holden remodelled the original building for the extension to add escalators and added the 1920s tiling to the platform walls, but the station building was never the same as the extension ones and Holden's changes have been obliterated anyway.
 * Clapham Common tube station - As for Clapham North.
 * Moor Park tube station - the link to Holden is very minor as he hadn't done any work for the tube since the late 1940s and he died in 1960.
 * Kensal Green station - the description was relevant to the original station building, though that wasn't opened in 1902, and it was demolished in 1980 and rebuilt.
 * Morden tube station - there is already a detailed description of the station's architecture.
 * Warwick Avenue tube station - there are no oxblood tiled facades as there are no above ground structures.
 * Regents Park tube station - by Leslie Green - but not a typical one as it is another one that has no surface buildings.
 * Makes sense, I was hoping to code in the station types from the list of 20 architechutal types and hoped that others might refine the work.   I was taking the TfL document as a good reference for these.    BRIANTIST   (talk) 05:04, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Given what I wrote above, which you seemed to accept. Why have you added the template to a load more articles today. As before, the first few of these are too generic to be useful or are just wrong. Please stop making this generic additions:
 * Highgate tube station - save for one original station buildings which is a private residence, the original station was completely rebuilt in the 1930s for the Northern Heights extension. The original station is gone and the replacement above ground platforms have been disused since the 1950s. The station that people use today is below ground and has minimal above ground buildings, nothing like what was described in the template. You have just restored the incorrect information again - why?
 * Arsenal tube station - Leslie Green's above ground building was rebuilt in the 1930s and the oxblood facade does not exist.
 * East Finchley tube station - the templated text implied that the station was designed by others in Charles Holden's style. It was actually designed by him.
 * --DavidCane (talk) 13:02, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I'm just making sure that the vast majority of tube stations have the relevant information that is supplied in the TfL-funded TfL-published document I'm linking to.   I agree that there are disagreements as you pointed out, but my source is a good one, but clearly not without some level of missing information.   I'm keen for these to be pointed out as there are several planning applications in/near tube stations which take "Design Idiom" as the gospel truth.    I'm just going to assume here that you've got references that  show your assertions about East Finchley, and so forth.   BRIANTIST   (talk) 13:27, 20 July 2019 (UTC)


 * In addition to issues with the templated information not being correct for particular pages, this appears to be an inappropriate use of templates. It says explicitly on the guidelines page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Template_namespace#Guidelines): "Templates should not normally be used to store article text, as this makes it more difficult to edit the content." Dubmill (talk) 13:34, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
 * IMHO this is a great use of a template.  There are 21 styles of station building.   I would have thought that Don't repeat yourself is a more pressing matter here.    BRIANTIST   (talk) 13:38, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
 * It may be your opinion that it's a good use, but what about the fact that the guidelines say it should NOT be used for article text? Dubmill (talk) 13:43, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Sorry, my understanding is that the rule means that you don't store the text of just one article in a template, as a way of hiding it from other editors. To use a template that works on several hundred pages, as TfLstyle is perfectly acceptable.    There is no worry of a one-to-one relationship here!  BRIANTIST   (talk) 13:49, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I could be wrong but my interpretation is that it's saying don't use it for article text, full stop. As it mentions, if someone wants to edit the text as it appears in the article, they will not be able to do so, because the text is embedded in the template, not the article. Dubmill (talk) 13:58, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
 * It seems we have a difference of interpretation, but I can't see any guidance to your view of a total ban.   Let me finish adding in the missing stations from my list and you can follow behind copy-and-pasting the generated text if that would make you happy.  BRIANTIST   (talk) 14:05, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
 * No please stop trying to make all of the stations fit a set of "types". There are far more than "21 styles of station building" and many of the stations have multiple phases of development and redevelopment that means that parts belong to different architectural periods, that a simple template cannot accommodate without going into a massive amount of complexity. Complexity that would make it just easier to add the correct information to the article itself directly. Information about "colours" and design standards belongs in a different article anyway. Most of this is to do with decorative colour schemes not about the physical characteristics of the buildings. The various comments about "future development" is misleading as this gives a sense that something is planned, when in most cases the guide being referenced is to guide future development if it happens.--DavidCane (talk) 14:19, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
 * This isn't MY list of types, it's Transport For London's list of types. I have taken the data verbatim from http://content.tfl.gov.uk/station-design-idiom-2.pdf page 199-219.   This document is very clear and very official.   BRIANTIST   (talk) 14:22, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Just because TfL have identified these types, does not mean they are correct. It may seem to be an authoritative source, but clearly the interpretations that you are making for which stations fit which types are wrong - as identified above already. A couple of examples using the template:
 * 1. looking at the map on page 112 or 199 (same map, repeated), St Paul's tube station is listed as a being in the Central London Railway type. It isn't. It was built originally, as Post Office, by the CLR, but the station building was demolished a rebuilt in the 1930s and demolished completely and replaced with subway entrances in the 1970s (I think). There is nothing below ground of the original CLR station design. as the platforms were re-tiled in the 1980s. Your template would describe this as:


 * This generic information does not give anything about the architecture of the station and is pretty irrelevant.
 * 2. the same map gives the type for Hyde Park Corner tube station as Leslie Green. Again it doesn't fit this type very well. The original station building was designed by Green, but, since the station was given escalators in the 1930s, it hasn't been used by the station at all. The subway entrances nearer to the Hyde Park Corner are not by Green, the subway ticket hall below the road and and escalator shafts aren't by Green, only the platform tiling is by Green. Your template would give the detail for this as:


 * Which gives an incomplete description. Also the colours of Green's tiling are brown, white and cream.
 * 3. the map give Kennington tube station as a Holden (Northern) station. The station building by T. P. Figgis is listed because it is the only example of the City and South London Railway's stations that remains in substantially it's original form. Your template would generate this:


 * Which is just completely wrong about the building.
 * I just don't think it's worth your effort, or others to rectify it afterwards.--DavidCane (talk) 15:01, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
 * OK, I have loaded the information from the TfL document as best I can. If there are stations that are wrong, fine.  I've copied the list of stations into the tempate talk file Template:TfLstyle/doc for ease of my checking them.
 * Also, please note that there are stations in the source PDF that are coded green which mean "2015 PALETTE" and not "District Victorian" or "Clarke (City)".  See the Template:TfLstyle/doc for the list if it's not clear (which, it wasn't when I saw the A0 printed version, either).   Thanks for your help, I'm just trying to add something interesting and encyclopaedic.   BRIANTIST   (talk) 15:11, 20 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Briantist, I'm not trying to criticise again or put more pressure on you, but I note that you have uploaded and added File:London Underground Station design eras.png into the usage section of the template with the copyright status given on the file's details page as being released into the public domain. Whilst there is no assertion of copyright for the map or the design guide generally, that does not automatically mean that it is public domain. As the map is a variant of the tube map of which TfL is very protective, this is almost certainly not a free to use public domain image. TfL is not the UK government and the government does not usually release things directly into the public domain. It usually uses the Open Government Licence for freely released information. Previously issued government crown copyright documents become public domain after fifty years. I'm afraid, I'm going to tag this for removal.--DavidCane (talk) 11:51, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

Disruptive editing
Please stop making edits, and ; I did give a reason, it is WP:TG. To expand on that, and as noted above, article content should not be generated from templates. If the template-generated information is wrong (and I see that DavidCane has found a number of errors that I didn't spot), the method of rectification is non-intuitive; and since your id numbers are not unique, altering the template to correct one article may well make several others incorrect where previously they had been correct.

Also, the lead section is intended as a summary of the main article text (see MOS:LEAD) - what you are adding is often not mentioned in the main text at all. Virtually all of these articles have a section for history, most also have a section for design or description - these are where we describe who designed the station, when and in what style. One thing that we do not do is put little coloured squares into article text, lead section or otherwise. You also meed to consider how important it is to specify the colour scheme, some of this is outright trivia.

You are also asking for references for information that is referenced in the main text, and so does not need a ref in the lead as well - see WP:LEADCITE. Some of these articles (including Arnos Grove) have previously been rated as a good article, and your edits have been compromising that status, so please also read up on good articles.

DavidCane, myself and several others have been working on these articles for many years now, and we do not appreciate you steamrollering some highly unusual methods for which you do not have consensus into well over a hundred articles. If you wish to pursue this line, I suggest that you obtain approval from a WikiProject such as WP:TUBE. -- Red rose64 &#x1f339; (talk) 08:57, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

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 * Sorry. I'm out of here. I don't need this attitude when I'm just trying to help.   All I was trying to do was add something useful to Wikipedia.  I think I know why I stopped posting before.     BRIANTIST   (talk) 09:20, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I thought I was doing the correct thing. All my edits have been well intention and followed all the rules about providing references and so forth.  I don't get that adding information from a properly-referenced free, government source about station architecture is "disruptive".    I don't see that your reversions of my work are doing anything other than destroying well-researched information.    I thought the idea was that editors co-operated, not just reverted other peoples additions and then call them "disruptive".   I feel really hurt by this accusation as I've put many hours of work into this.  BRIANTIST   (talk) 09:25, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
 * You were failing to heed the advice of both and ; moreover, you were reinstating content that three people (those two and myself) had already explained was not desirable. So far, I have not found anybody that agrees with you. -- Red rose64 &#x1f339; (talk) 10:26, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

Hi - just an observation, and a suggestion: I can see that you have a particular idea for adding encyclopedic content to expand Tube station articles and that you have put some genuinely good faith effort into this idea. It's unfortunate that your edits have come into conflict with other editors' views. Can I suggest that you pause editing for now, take this idea to a suitable talk page — perhaps Wikipedia talk:WikiProject London Transport or Template talk:TfLstyle — and lay out your idea, explaining what you hope to add to articles. Other editors will be able to discuss their reservations, and hopefully you will be able to reach some sort of compromise for adding the information that you want to add. That will be less frustrating for you than having your edits reverted. Thanks. Cnbrb (talk) 12:39, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

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