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Template:UK TV viewing figures
Please do not remove TfD templates from the top of templates at discussion at WP:TFD, as you did here.

Regards, Anthøny  21:46, 20 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Why not? There was no discussion on the page - I thought if someone proposed a delete then they were supposed to leave a comment about it.  BRIANTIST   (talk) 07:25, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

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Image:BBC Logo 1997-Present.png
Here is a conversation I had on AxG's talk page regarding Image:BBC Logo 1997-Present.png:


 * I uploaded a version with the large blank space around the logo cropped out, but 1 minute later you reverted to the old version. Why did you do this? boffy_b 19:01, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
 * The image includes the white space with the image from the BBC, I don't mind you changing it back but maybe you should talk to User:Briantist on it, as he will know more. --AxG 19:04, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Do you have any objection to the cropped version? boffy_b 19:09, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

It's not me, it's the condition of the BBC in the use of their logo. It is never permissable to disregard the logo owners requirements, I'm afriad.  BRIANTIST  (talk) 08:43, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

The only problem is the image that is currently there actually violates the BBCs own guidelines on the use of the logo. The BBC provide the images to help promote BBC services. If there is a better example of one of the BBCs logos that can be found and used, then it should be used. If the BBC provided a tiny 100x100px logo on the Media Bank website to use, would you use it? If you look at the media, there are a very limited few examples of where media from the website is used. One user shouldn't be able to overrule every other opposing user. 217.44.185.74 13:47, 29 May 2007 (UTC)


 * It does not, the image was provided by BBC Mediabank for use on websites.  BRIANTIST   (talk) 15:10, 29 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes, it does, if you look here: you will find that the letters of the BBC logo should not be filled, however on this copy they are. Bilky asko 13:06, 3 June 2007 (UTC)


 * These rules are for use on TV!  BRIANTIST  (talk) 09:02, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

''Subject: RE: Use of the BBC logo on Wikipedia Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 17:42:03 +0100 From: "Nxxxxxxx Axxxxxx"  To: "Bilky Asko" 

Thank you for your email. Apologies for the delay in responding, however we have been looking into your enquiry. Thank you very much for alerting us. We have passed your enquiry to the appropriate team within the BBC who are currently looking into the BBC's on-line strategy and use of logos. Guidelines are being developed. The logos on Media Bank are updated on a regular basis, however, we will pass your concerns on to the team involved. Many thanks, Nathalie''

An E-Mail from the BBC.

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Portal:Hitchhiker's links in article mainspace
Hi, I know you must have spent ages writing your Hitchhiker's portal, but can I ask you to go back and remove the links that you've placed at the top of all the Hitchhiker's Guide- related articles, please, as this is rather inappropriate on encyclopedia articles, and in many cases spoils the formatting of infoboxes, etc. This is particularly serious where the article is featured, i.e. the Douglas Adams page. If it's anywhere, the portal link ought to be in the external links section, or simply on the WikiProject HHGTTG banners on talk pages. Thanks. Bob talk 21:48, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
 * You vandal.  BRIANTIST   (talk) 09:30, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Fixed. Please consider making contributions or edits.  Also, portals are supposed to be listed as I have provided.  BRIANTIST   (talk) 09:35, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

I don't appreciate being labelled as a vandal, particularly as I did not remove the links to your portal, but spent quite a bit of time moving them to the correct positioning. I will remind you again that it is completely innappropriate to place a portal link at the top of a mainspace article. It might be sensible for you to read Portal, in particular the section that says "These templates should be located at article ends in See also sections (or equivalents)." You'll notice if you look around the encyclopedia that even featured portals are not linked at the top of the articles. Bob talk 23:08, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Whatever. Perhaps if you could make an actual contrubution to the site?  BRIANTIST   (talk) 14:41, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Please stop adding the portal link at the top of the page. It's against policies and messes up page design. Add into the "See also" section.--Svetovid 13:19, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Sky News
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Kindest Regards The Sunshine Man 18:12, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Five programmes
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 * Can't agree more, that's why I moved them from the main entries.  BRIANTIST  (talk) 11:59, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
 * For your information, I have also prodded Sky Three programmes, Sky Travel programmes and UKTV Gold programmes. --tgheretford (talk) 17:58, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

UKTV History programmes
UKTV History programmes has also been proposed for deletion. NickelShoe (Talk) 16:10, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Image:All freeview muxes graphics.png
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 * Is it possible to create a image or a table using Wikitext markup without the logos in the picture. I think that is the primary concern regarding it being a replaceable fair use image. --tgheretford (talk) 11:24, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I had enough problems doing it in HTML in the first place! I'll see what I can do.  This is the original   BRIANTIST   (talk) 14:38, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

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BBC News 24
Please do not add an excessive amount of non-free images. This is one of the reasons why the article initially failed its first GA nomination. The length and depth of the writing about this rather trivial matter about graphics not adhering to physics certainly does not substantiate three non-free images. The JPS talk to me  18:55, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
 * The rule say that you can use several images if they are for comparison. <span style="background-color:#841818; border-top: 1px solid #AD3031; border-bottom: 1px solid #5A1810; color:#EFEBDE"> BRIANTIST  (talk) 21:19, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
 * What are you comparing? It's more important to have critical commentary. The JPS <sup style="color:purple;">talk to me  21:52, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, and do you think you could provide a jpg of the new logo rather than that gif? That horrible flickering image is just asking to be removed. The JPS <sup style="color:purple;">talk to me  21:59, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
 * It's a capture from the channel - blame the BBC for it!

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Reverted Vandalism
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 * Thanks for that. I've been having a Wikipedia break because I was suffering from Wikipedia addiction... <span style="background-color:#841818; border-top: 1px solid #AD3031; border-bottom: 1px solid #5A1810; color:#EFEBDE"> BRIANTIST   (talk) 09:51, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

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BBC Radio logos
The new BBC Radio logos were cited against the BBC website. Is this not citation enough? CR7 (message me) 12:21, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
 * They are not yet in use on the BBC website, so WP:CBALL is the rule. <span style="background-color:#841818; border-top: 1px solid #AD3031; border-bottom: 1px solid #5A1810; color:#EFEBDE"> BRIANTIST  (talk) 13:12, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
 * It's the BBC's webiste. The BBC website is using it = its a BBC Radio logo. The policy reads Wikipedia is not a collection of unverifiable speculation. - even if it was speculation, it is verified. CR7 (message me) 13:29, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
 * It's not on and is therefore unimplemented and not listable on wikipedia.  Can I suggest you read WP:CBALL properly? Thanks <span style="background-color:#841818; border-top: 1px solid #AD3031; border-bottom: 1px solid #5A1810; color:#EFEBDE"> BRIANTIST   (talk) 14:35, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Just checked again and they are not yet in use on http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio, http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/ http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/ , http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/ , http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/ , http://www.bbc.co.uk/1xtra/ , http://www.bbc.co.uk/6music/ , http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbc7/ or http://www.bbc.co.uk/asiannetwork/ <span style="background-color:#841818; border-top: 1px solid #AD3031; border-bottom: 1px solid #5A1810; color:#EFEBDE"> BRIANTIST   (talk) 14:38, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Also, they are not in use on Freeview (MHEG5) or DAB (via my Lobster 700TV), you are being very previous. <span style="background-color:#841818; border-top: 1px solid #AD3031; border-bottom: 1px solid #5A1810; color:#EFEBDE"> BRIANTIST  (talk) 14:38, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Check again on, you may be surprised! CR7 (message me) 15:39, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
 * If they have changed them, it's fine to update, just not until then. Interestingly they havn't changed the favicon.ico file... <span style="background-color:#841818; border-top: 1px solid #AD3031; border-bottom: 1px solid #5A1810; color:#EFEBDE"> BRIANTIST   (talk) 15:43, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
 * It appears that the BBC is in as much of a confusion as we are. CR7 (message me) 15:58, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
 * The Guardian's written this: http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/organgrinder/2007/08/new_logos_for_bbc_radio_cool_o.html.

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CBBC Logo
Hi. I've been doing a fair bit of work on the CBBC logos: basically uploading old logos with rationales, organising them on the page etc. I was wondering if you'd mind me renaming your logo from 'CBBC Logo.PNG' to 'CBBCLogo2005.png', a) so as to be consistant with all the other logos on the guide, and b) as it's soon to be replaced with the new logo, so it'll no longer be current. If you don't object (as I don't see a way of moving an image), I'll re-upload it with the new name, copy all the text over, and nominate the first for deletion. Cheers, The Islander 18:50, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Can I remind you about WP:CBALL as this has not yet happened? <span style="background-color:#841818; border-top: 1px solid #AD3031; border-bottom: 1px solid #5A1810; color:#EFEBDE"> BRIANTIST  (talk) 18:53, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
 * You can, in which case I'll quote "Wikipedia is not a collection of unverifiable speculation. All articles about anticipated events must be verifiable" from WP:CBALL, and then point to this address, on the BBC, to show that it's perfectly verifiable. The Islander 19:06, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
 * It says that "Forward-looking articles about unreleased products ... require special care to make sure that they are not advertising". If you put on the new logo, it's advertising as the new logo is an unreleased product. <span style="background-color:#841818; border-top: 1px solid #AD3031; border-bottom: 1px solid #5A1810; color:#EFEBDE"> BRIANTIST   (talk) 19:09, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Have you looked at the article? Someone else just put the new logo at the top, but I reverted it back to the old for now. The new logo's just being used in the logo section for reference - it's certainly not advertising. All I'm asking is if you'd object to your logo being renamed, to something that makes it perfectly relevant now, but will still be relevant once the new logo comes into action. I'm not asking for a rename to 'OldCBBCLogo' or something like that, just a more descriptive 'CBBCLogo2005', i.e. the year the logo came into action. The Islander 19:13, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't feel there would be an advertising issue, as this is the BBC, they don't need to advertise :P I think you should go ahead with your proposal The Islander. Good work on the article.  Tiddly Tom  20:16, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Hmm...  If you feel it's in the right spirit, then I don't really mind, I'm not the guardian of the CBBC article! <span style="background-color:#841818; border-top: 1px solid #AD3031; border-bottom: 1px solid #5A1810; color:#EFEBDE"> BRIANTIST   (talk) 20:50, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
 * No, but you uploaded the picture, so I felt it only polite to ask. Thanks for your input; I have moved it and requested deletion of the original. The Islander 21:19, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

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August 2007
Please see Wikipedia's no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks will lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. The Islander 10:49, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Wow, feeling touchy this morning are we? Please explain how one single word is a "personal attack" !!!! That sounds very dumb to me, but clearly I have to point out by using lots and lots of words that this use of the first word starting with the fourth letter of the alphabet in this sentence is merely descriptive and not a personal attack... And I thought Kerb Your Enthusiasm was a comedy programme, but it seems to be a way of life for you very good self. <span style="background-color:#841818; border-top: 1px solid #AD3031; border-bottom: 1px solid #5A1810; color:#EFEBDE"> BRIANTIST   (talk) 11:07, 19 August 2007 (UTC)