User talk:BrightMuffin

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 * Thanks for the welcome. I have meant to sign up for some time now as I have often thought I would be able to contribute. The reason I was prompted to do so was the edit I noticed that had been done for reasons of inclusivity. In the days of Sir William Hillary, there would have been no such thing as multi-gendered crews and the edit made no sense in the context of Sir William's life and times. In fact, it would have been more accurate to have used 'crewed by trained men' rather than 'crewed by trained people' as this would have been the intention. However, 'manned' is generally taken as meaning crewed by people and is usually taken in an asexual manner and so I changed the text back to 'manned by trained crews.' I can understand the used of 'crewed' instead of 'manned' for modern-day vessels, but the context of the times within which the RNLI was created made the change nonsensical. I suppose that it may have been better to use 'He drew up plans for a lifeboat service with trained crews' but this seemed to be missing something to me.
 * Anyway, I thought I'd give you some context.

All the best, BrightMuffin (talk) 12:47, 5 August 2021 (UTC)


 * If you feel strongly then I suggest you make the above points on the article's talk page to see if others agree with your proposed. Change. Three four things will likely happen - there'll be support, so you can go ahead and make the change; there'll be strong opposition; there'll be arguments for and against but no overall consensus to make the change; or there'll be no response at all - in which case I'd go ahead and make the change because at least then you'll have given others the opportunity to comment. In general Wikipedia does try to keep a neutral point of view with neutral language but I can't see what you're proposing to do (in its historical context) would be objected to by many. 10mmsocket (talk) 12:57, 5 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Okay thanks, I'll do that. As you can tell, I'm new here so didn't know about talk pages even. BrightMuffin (talk) 13:12, 5 August 2021 (UTC)