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 * Thanks so much Rerip! BrillLyle (talk) 09:45, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

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 * Thanks so much Ushau97! I will check out the Teahouse. Have been doing the IRC channel and that has been super helpful. A little overwhelmed but trying my best... Thanks again! BrillLyle (talk) 10:14, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

April 2013
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 * I fixed the link and reverted the entry. BrillLyle (talk) 09:44, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

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 * Eeekster - thank you. i did this. not sure if what i said will be enough to keep the image there but i guess i will find out.... :-) thanks much! BrillLyle (talk) 23:37, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

Revision date formatting
This page was last edited on --. Created by  --  - still very clumsy, but apparently the timestamps themselves are not meant to fit into the reformatting process. Huon (talk) 21:40, 1 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks so much Huon! this was exactly what i was looking for...! BrillLyle (talk) 01:34, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Hello and Thanks
Hi BrillLyle - I just wanted to say hello and thank you for the recent edits you made to CUNY Graduate Center. As someone who works at the Graduate Center, I have recently been updating the page, and appreciate your time and effort in editing it. Thanks, and see you around! Km230 (talk) 14:37, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Glad to help! BrillLyle (talk) 15:13, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

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 * thanks so much for organizing such a great event, Mary Mark Ockerbloom! BrillLyle (talk) 00:58, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

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 * Thank you so much Mary Mark Ockerbloom. I will try to participate if I can! BrillLyle (talk) 19:08, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

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 * I noticed this article being nominated for deletion and thought it was worth tidying up, just thought you'd like to know - you can find it at Alice Winocour --nonsense ferret 21:55, 28 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Thank you nonsense ferret . I had forgotten I had started that and meant to work on it. Much appreciated! BrillLyle (talk) 13:45, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

Editing Suggestion
Hi Erika, I notice that when you edit a page you make hundreds of edits, many just a few seconds apart. Have you tried the "Show Preview" button? It's a great way to see what your last edit looks like without saving it and then you can continue editing, that way you don't clog up the edit history with so many entries. Just a friendly suggestion. Robman94 (talk) 04:07, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi Robman94 (talk). Thanks for the suggestion. Yes, I am aware I am making a lot of edits. And yes, I have tried the show preview / am aware of that but the interface doesn't save the edits in any sort of auto-save or draft format. I am concerned about losing edits and crashing out. I am also going somewhat quickly when I am editing and see nits and mistakes all the time. It is not ideal but it's just the way I am editing. Until someone from Wikipedia tells me it's a drag on their servers or an unacceptable mode of editing I am not sure what the solution is for me. It's usually in a big batch of edits, when I'm trying to fix a page and rework it with better formatting and citations and stuff. Where I am saving as I go. So once I've done the heavy lifting fixes I don't go back all the time. But thanks anyway.... BrillLyle (talk) 05:06, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
 * If the page in question is not edited that often, another idea might be to save a copy of the page under your userid and edit it there. then copy it over when it's finished, checking first for any updates that have happened since you took your copy. What I sometimes do is to save a copy in a text file on my PC and edit it there, then copy it back when it's done. Robman94 (talk) 01:35, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
 * I get what you are saying, again, but am I hurting something and/or inconveniencing you some way. I usually make the edits to pages that need considerable citation cleanup and sourcing to conform to wikipedia style guides and vastly improve what I touch. Why does it matter if there are versions saved on the route I get there? And why do you care? Is it affecting pages you edit or impinging on your Wikipedia efforts. I appreciate the suggestions but all I can see here in this discussion is two editors trying to get to the same place, but with different means. And I think what we are doing is great. So not sure what the point of your suggestions are here. BrillLyle (talk) 07:27, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I see you are getting defensive now so I'll back off, it was just meant to be a friendly suggestion. And yes, I came across your id because you edited a page that I monitor. Robman94 (talk) 15:24, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't mean to come off defensive. I appreciate your suggestions, as I have thought of the things you have suggested as well. That said, now I am so freaked out to make edits while saving versions, even when I'm completely restructuring a page or adding significant content where it would be easier to save versions so I can find my way back if I make a mistake or reconsider what I am doing. I'm curious which page I edited that you monitor and if the effects were positive. I guess that my multiple edits there were annoying to you? Again I think we agree at the end of the day, and count this as a conversation, where we are allowed to have different points of view on getting down the road, but are on the same road. And you didn't really answer the questions I asked, about the inconvenience or anything like that. Insert big grin thing here. So... BrillLyle (talk) 15:30, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

Nora O'Connor
Seeing as how you did such a great job overhauling the Robbie Fulks page, I wonder if you would be interested in taking at look at Nora's page too? Robman94 (talk) 05:06, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi Robman94 (talk) -- Thank you - that's so sweet of you to say! I am a long time fan of Robbie Fulks' oeuvre and not sure if his page is as good as it can be but it's a start, I hope. Re: Nora's page, I figure I will eventually get to most of my favorite Bloodshot artists at some point. Her page is harder because she only has one "official" record, but I will take a stab at her page when I get time. Wish I was a Chicago local who frequented the Hideout: I would have a more comprehensive knowledge of all of the stuff she is involved in. Happy to do it! All the best to you. BrillLyle (talk) 14:00, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Just FYI, I am a friend and neighbor of Robbie Fulks and my wife used to play in a band with Nora. We're also friends with Nan, the lovely gal who runs Bloodshot. Actually, here's a little something for ya, it's Robbie and my wife Lisa doing a tune called "Beautiful Books", and the little kid in black bopping around at the front is my youngest (who was 7 at the time and is 13 now). Robbie's wife Donna is also singing. Robman94 (talk) 19:16, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Wow, thanks for sharing that, Robman94 (talk). That's awesome! Very cool. Chicago seems like such a great town, where people are friends like this. Your kid is so funny, totally cracked me up! Thanks again....

Reference Section
Why did you revert the references list on the Robbie Fulks page? That's how it was before you started editing the page. Please produce documentation that prohibits using that format before reverting. Thanks. Robman94 (talk) 20:06, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Robman94 (talk) - I am not comfortable using the Reference List style format for citations. Please let me know what pages you are editing for Bloodshot artists and I won't edit them. I will stop editing Robbie Fulks' page now. It's all yours. BrillLyle (talk) 20:35, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
 * The only difference is that the ref data is in the References section rather than scattered throughout the article. You add citations in the text in the same way as you would when you want to use a ref multiple times.  All of code for the individual citations is exactly the same as it was before, I just moved it to that section. I think if you were to take a moment and review it you would find that you like it.  It makes reading the article in edit mode much easier as you don't have citation syntax all over the place. Robman94 (talk) 22:32, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Robman94 (talk) Again, as before, I understand the technical and practical side -- as well as the pluses and minuses -- but all of the other pages I am editing and doing citation cleanup are using the other, older method and I'd prefer not to switch back and forth. Go ahead and take ownership of the Robbie Fulks page. I am not watching it anymore. BrillLyle (talk) 22:58, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Nobody owns pages here at Wiki and I don't own Robbie's page. If you are going to edit pages, you need to be prepared for the fact that some of them may be formatted slightly differently than others and generally you are supposed to go with the existing flow. I've edited many pages in my 7 years here at Wiki and have had to deal with many different coding styles.  It would be disappointing if you were to boycott any pages that aren't formatted in one certain way.  I have prepared a demo page to show the list version of references in it's simplest format, hope this helps. Robman94 (talk) 00:06, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Robman94 (talk) You keep doing that -- giving me technical information and a bit of a lecture when I completely understand what you are talking about. I just disagree with you here, again. This is a hassle to me, to have to use a different citation style than the one I use on the rest of my pages I watch and work on. I have done what I could with the citations on this page (adding reliable sources, etc.) and I think have improved the page significantly and made it a solid entry that reflects the subject adequately, when it didn't do him or his career justice before. I honestly don't want to get in a tug of war with you over a page like this. I don't want to have to have a page that I watch with outlier citation formatting like this. And since you seem to be connected to Robbie and have an investment in the page formatting, I am just going to disagree and step aside. I think it's for the best, from my perspective. I don't want the lecture and I don't want the bother. BrillLyle (talk) 00:57, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Robman94 (talk) But please in future do not take pages that I am working on and convert them to this citation format. I don't want to use this style of citation formatting. If I work on a page and use what I consider to be the standard, default citation style, I would prefer not to have this list style. If that happens I will not edit the page. Again. I think this is a fair thing to request and say. BrillLyle (talk) 01:00, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
 * So let me get this straight, we're talking about the Robbie Fulks page, which I had worked on prior to you finding it, and which already had that style of references? Are you saying that once you edit a page that you own it? And if anyone switches anything back to how it was, you will revert them? I know you're still new to Wikipedia but I think it might be a good idea to read up on some of the rules and preferred etiquette. I came to you in good faith but I don't any evidence that you have read WP:AGF. I will probably conduct any further communication through the official channels, if it becomes necessary.  Over and out. Robman94 (talk) 03:27, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes we are talking about the Robbie Fulks page, a page that was poorly sourced and led with his contempt for country music and the whole FTT mishegas! I actually thought that the page was abandoned and neglected and lacked people watching as it was in such rough shape. That's why I went in and tried to add adequate sourcing, connect some of his career into a chronology, and flesh out the entry. I am not saying I own anything. Again, I don't need a lecture on how Wikipedia works, the etiquette rules, etc. I understand how Wikipedia works. I think I have been very patient and civil with you. I just hope that we don't try and edit the same page going forward, because if I stumble upon a page that is in the shape Robbie's is in, and it has the list source style I guess I won't be able to make edits as you will (a) lecture me (b) require that I use list source styles even if the page is a stub and/or an incomplete or poorly sourced entry and (c) will have to have this same circular discussion. To be crystal clear I am disagreeing with you. I am not trying to pick a fight. I am trying to move on and end this discussion. BrillLyle (talk) 03:46, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

So Robman94 (talk) I have taken some time to think about this and have asked for assistance on this on the Wikipedia IRC channel. I have decided that I would like to continue to edit and watch the Robbie Fulks page. I am a long time fan and think his contributions and career is notable and his entry should reflect that. I have also gained clarity on why it is okay for me to undo your edit to the reference style and info box. The fact is that before I recently fixed and edited the page, there were four references, one of which was a reference to Robbie's website (bad citation), one of which was a reference from the National Enquirer (bad citation), and I think one more link that was dead. I use the "old skool" style of citation. I have created 36 valid citations and have reworked Robbie's page to an adequate level of improvement. Although the list type reference style was pre-existing, it was pre-existing on a page that was incomplete, was called out for poor citations / inadequate citations, and was not setting a precedent of formatting. I should not have to follow this list style citation in order to improve the page if I do 75% of the work on the page. I know that is YOUR preference but I did not see you making these amount of edits, so I am going to leave the standard citation style on this page. If I had come to the page with list style citations that were numerous and well done, I would of course continue this list style citation. But I did not, so I will not abide by you going and changing my work for no reason except it is YOUR preference. It is vandalism of my efforts and does not add any content to the page. I don't think it is a justifiable edit.

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Myer S. Kripke
I really don't want to engage in a WP:LAME edit war with you, but my edits are simply to help the article conform to the manual of style on biographies that we refer to here, which states that full names should be in the lead paragraph, and that citations should be avoided in the lead paragraph. I really don't see the huge issue here. The abbreviated name is already used in the article title and infobox title and should be sufficient. Connormah (talk) 04:11, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't see how either of your edits add to the content or help convey further information. And if this naming convention is how this person is addressed in the press and I have personal knowledge of this, why can't you do the graceful thing and back off making these edits. If you were adding content or being helpful I would be fine with your edits, but this seems to be about nit picking on an article that is a waste of time and is unnecessary. There are so many articles that need fixing. This one doesn't. Please stop making edits to my pages. BrillLyle (talk) 04:14, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Seriously?!? Please keep off my pages. I am not doing anything wrong and you are making this a hostile experience. BrillLyle (talk) 04:18, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Please take a look at WP:OWN; these are not "your pages". Though your content contributions are much appreciated, it unfortunately does not entitle you to decide which edits are acceptable. These edits, as I stated, are in conjunction with the manual of style followed for biographies, which is not nitpicking. As I stated, the infobox and article title are both aptly named for the common arrangement of the name, and that is sufficient. Connormah (talk) 04:22, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Please examine the approach you are taking to pages that are in clean, good working order. I don't understand the motivation or reasoning behind these edits. I call bull on this being helpful and see this as focused harassment. After asking you repeatedly to stop you continue to make these edits. Think about what are you doing and the effect it has. None of these edits are adding ANYTHING to the pages content wise. The pages are in good shape now. Why make these efforts? I look at a lot of pages that are formatted in the same way I am doing them. How about you go clean up your own LAMEly cited pages instead of following the work I'm doing? I don't appreciate this and would ask you to stop. BrillLyle (talk) 04:26, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Additionally, although you can couch your edits as being within the mindset of the Manual of Style, I don't see how your behavior and tone can be anything but bullying and unpleasant. Aren't YOU violating the constructs here more than me? I don't appreciate this at all. BrillLyle (talk) 04:27, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
 * The pages did not conform to the MOS, so that's my motivation for the edits. You are taking a WP:OWN stance to the articles that is not helpful. There are countless Wikignomes on Wikipedia alike myself who fix little nitpicks on a regular basis - it doesn't matter whether the edits are adding anything at all content-wise. Your reverts seem to based on nothing more than WP:IDONTLIKEIT, again, in the spirit of OWN. Again, though your contributions are appreciated greatly by all, it still doesn't entitle you to take ownership of the page. I agree that it can be hard (I have written articles as well), but that is extremely counterproductive in an collaborative environment that Wikipedia is. The personal jabs are not appreciated, by the way. Connormah (talk) 04:39, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I appreciate all of the positive things you describe about Wikipedia and the editing work editors do; however, I think that there are much better ways to approach and handle the edits than the way you have chosen to conduct yourself in these instances.

While Connormah should be admonished for engaging in a revert war in the first place, he is now approaching this in a perfectly acceptable way: by pointing out what the problems are in your edits, correcting them, and then bringing a discussion to your talk page. You don't seem to be paying him the same respect; all I see on this page are a series of responses in the form of personal attacks. If you truly feel that you are in the right in this dispute, then you should bring your concerns to one of our many neutral dispute resolution options. You were also technically in violation of the three revert rule. Although I am not going to do anything about it, as it is too far after the fact and the effect would only be punitive, keep in mind that even if you are in the right, you will still be blocked for violating for the rule.

Connormah, I suggest next time that you stick to no more than one revert for things such as this and focus on discussion, rather than reversion, after that. As you yourself pointed out, this edit war was about something very lame indeed and entirely inconsequential outside of some style issues. There's no sense in getting yourself blocked over a middle name; the world will keep spinning if the style manual is not properly followed on one page for a few days, and we want to encourage discussion as the proper way to resolve conflicts. 01:55, 8 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Actually Canadian_Paul (talk), Connormah (talk) and I had come to a semi-peaceful understanding, as it were. It's too bad you felt the need to weigh in here to add (?) to a discussion that you were not a part of in the first place and contribute your own negativity to the interaction. I am not sure how your comments encourage discussion in a "proper" way. Especially couching them in a threat. Really?!?


 * I still stick to my original point and complaint(s) -- and your actions here actually reinforce them. I don't get why Wikipedia editors feel the need to pick at a page that is in more than adequate shape when there are thousands of under-developed and poorly sourced and formatted pages. When the edits don't add content or enhance format it establishes a lot of negativity, especially to newer editors who are just trying to get a handle on the basics. I see a lot of folks nit-picking at pages I've spent hours upon hours improving significantly, content- and format-wise. It's one thing if there's content or value-added improvements and corrections where the point of the edits seems to be helping. None of these edits did that. Instead they seemed and seem to be pointless and short-sighted.


 * I think that I resolved my issues with Connormah (talk). I can see now how much he contributes (though I'd like to fix a lot of his citation formatting to bring it up to snuff -- ha!). We actually cooperatively edited a page together. So I consider us good.


 * I think this is a real problem with Wikipedia. While I love contributing, it's a constant source of frustration that this type of patronizing and negative interaction tends to happen on a semi-ongoing basis. I think there are points made on both sides, but really, again, I wish folks would sort of move on if a page seems to be in adequate shape. If the point is to encourage new editors, these approaches fail at that goal. BrillLyle (talk) 05:33, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Honestly, after a break from this whole thing, I can't say I'm proud at all of my conduct a few days ago...I could give a lame excuse but it was plainly a lapse in judgement by myself and I apologize if I came off as how you described. No hard feelings at all, and I do appreciate your help out with some of the articles I initiated (as I'm sure you've noted, I am usually quite lazy). As for your second point, I definitely agree - I had actually come across the Kripke page through one of my checks at the Recent deaths page...I usually find myself trying to update articles there to bring them in line with the basics of the manual of style. Some are a lot worse, that's for sure and I try to work on them all. CMAH (Connormah's Sock) 06:09, 8 May 2014 (UTC)


 * CMAH (Connormah's Sock) I tend to get mad first and ask questions / calm down later, which is obviously non ideal. I apologize for that. I don't think I did myself any favors or added to the experience in a positive way either. Acknowledge that. I need to get a thicker skin obviously. I'm curious as to how you do those pages like you do -- in batches? Is that some sort of template or back end thing? Do you put the data into a spreadsheet or something that you've data-mined? I would like your citations to be fuller, though. Am obsessed with non-url, complete cites. The [1]s are the most disturbing ones. If you have pages you want citation cleanup on that there is obviously more info for the person online, let me know. I'd love to help out and that one we did together was actually super interesting, I learned a lot about Memphis digging around. All the best to you, and thanks for being so nice. BrillLyle (talk) 06:22, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Just created Edgar Gillock today and it looks like there's an interesting story with his criminal charges and such, if you're interested... Connormah (talk) 21:52, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks Connormah. Not sure if I find him all that appealing. The other guy was so under-reported, especially given how much civil rights work he had done.... If there's another one of those, let me know. :-) BrillLyle (talk) 07:19, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

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Louis C.K.
I'm confused. A biography is "a written account of another person's life". Why is C.K.'s career and personal life not part of his life, only his family background and early life are? The entire article is a biography, by definition of it being a Wikipedia article about his life. There is no need to mark a certain subsection being a biography when it all is. You've done a great job with the links and formatting, but I don't see how that's relevant. The article is still clean and your own work, just with a single section header removed. Reywas92 <b style="color:#45E03A;">Talk</b> 17:43, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
 * That works! Thanks for your contributions :) Reywas92 <b style="color:#45E03A;">Talk</b>


 * I changed the heading, but you could have made your point that you objected to the word "Biography" and suggest I replace it with the more common "Early life" and then tell me to come up with better sub-section titles without deleting sections. There is a lot of information about his background that is relevant to his career and act but should be in this first section -- information that needs additional breaking up into sub-sections to improve readability.


 * I find this whole experience frustrating and super problematic. You were not clear with your edit (if it was supposed to be instructive), and then to thank me for my contributions in this patronizing way?!? I don't get this at all.


 * I'm also annoyed because this happens every time I spend days cleaning up pages (speaking to your question of relevance): an editor swoops in and makes these changes that don't exactly add to the experience for anyone involved. There are so many pages that are _not_ clean, full of dead links, nowhere close to being within the Wikipedia formatting guidelines that could use your assistance. This page was in really good shape, finally, so why make the edit?


 * And I'm not trying to say it's my own work or anything -- I realize Wikipedia is a collaborative experience. I do. Ideally, though it would be collaboration with education and enhancement of the experience. This is also not the first time this has happened. I had another editor change all my in-line sources to end sources! On a clean page. Because HE liked the end style of sources!!!


 * So maybe I'm more sensitive to this than I should be but really I have a list of 30 pages I plan on cleaning up, and if this happens every time I clean up citations and dead links and big picture formatting it's going to drive me bonkers! BrillLyle (talk) 17:58, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

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Your recent editing history at Louis C.K. shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war. Being involved in an edit war can result in your being blocked from editing&mdash;especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring&mdash;even if you don't violate the three-revert rule&mdash;should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly.

To avoid being blocked, instead of reverting please consider using the article's talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. See BRD for how this is done. You can post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection. -- <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #0099FF, -4px -4px 15px #99FF00;">Winkelvi ● <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #FF9900, -4px -4px 15px #FF0099;">✉ ✓ 20:01, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
 * So what happens if I disagree to edits that seem to me to be vandalization of the page? I think I am being pretty patient when an editor goes through a page I've worked on to clean up and get to a level of cleanliness and have current, relevant, good citations and deletes content that is actually in current press and is part of C.K.'s standup and tv show. These edits seem like they are a very subjective opinion of one editor -- why does his opinion make it okay to delete content?
 * And then why are YOU sticking your nose into this conflict? I don't understand the point of these edits. There's nothing instructive or constructive about these conversations or actions. Why don't you and the other editor focus on pages that actually need help, that are improperly formatted or are lacking citations and content? I don't get this, and it seems to happen whenever I've spent a lot of time cleaning up and adding content to Wikipedia pages. It makes every effort I take as an editor an unpleasant experience. And I have no recourse here -- apparently? It just seems unethical and wrong and I resent the heck out of this. BrillLyle (talk) 20:15, 9 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Specifically, what edits are you considering "vandalism"?
 * Stating you are being patient with others editing what you've edited indicates to me you have ownership issues with this article. Look at the top of thee screen when editing and see what it says: "Work submitted to Wikipedia can be edited...—by anyone"
 * I'm "sticking my nose into this conflict" because the C.K. article is on my watchlist and because I am a Wikipedia editor, part of the Wikipedia community. Edit warring is disruptive behavior that is unhealthy for the encyclopedia and the community.  You are edit warring.  You've now received a warning regarding your edit warring behavior.  After receiving said warning, you went right back to that edit warring behavior with the same content.  Putting it back in in the manner you did rather than just reverting it all back in still counts as edit warring via reverting.  Because you did it in stages, you are now technically up to five reverts.  That's two beyond the 3RR rule.  So, it would seem you have now violated and gone way beyond 3RR.  Most editors would take you to the 3RR noticeboard and report you for violating 3RR.  Rather than doing that (this time), I'm going to say: Please stop reverting, please stop reinserting content that violates MOS standards for biographies, and please stop edit warring.  If it happens again, the 3RR noticeboard is likely going to be my next stop.
 * -- <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #0099FF, -4px -4px 15px #99FF00;">Winkelvi ● <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #FF9900, -4px -4px 15px #FF0099;">✉ ✓ 21:46, 9 June 2014 (UTC)


 * This is hilarious. I was trying to use the feedback from you and HappyWaldo as something productive and fold some of the deleted portions of the page into possibly less "Personal life" areas to hopefully keep the information in at least some modified form on the page but I guess YOU have shown me!!!
 * Has it crossed your mind, Winkelvi, that your behavior here is questionable in motivation and tone? I don't dispute that this is a collaboration but none of your efforts have been constructive as they relate to me. You seem to have bullied me into silence on the Louis C.K. page, which I guess is your intention? I would have liked to have learned from this experience in some way and had a productive conversation about this process but instead it was instant threats to 3RR me and going for the jugular on editing the page.
 * I find it very suspicious that there is no acknowledgement of a possibility that you maybe overstepped the bounds of good behavior here. Now you have made your threats and have established ownership here I am sufficiently cowed -- and afraid to edit pages. If that was your intention, congratulations. You WIN!
 * It would be great if there had been some sort of collegial tone to this discussion but you have made that impossible. Thanks for such an unpleasant experience. BrillLyle (talk) 00:23, 10 June 2014 (UTC)


 * WP:AGF. It's your friend.  Personal attacks.  They are your enemy.  Would you like to start again in communicating with me while this time keeping both Wikipedia policies in mind? -- <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #0099FF, -4px -4px 15px #99FF00;">Winkelvi ● <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #FF9900, -4px -4px 15px #FF0099;">✉ ✓  03:24, 10 June 2014 (UTC)


 * I would like to know who the heck you think you are, asking me if I would like to start communicating with you again? At every turn -- especially the initial ones -- you have gone out of your way to be unpleasant and rude and abusive. Why on earth would I want to communicate with you? It's patronizing to even ask me this. I see you as violating the good will and collegiality requirements of Wikipedia more than anyone else in this interaction. It's sort of stunning, this inability you have shown to not recognize that. And get this: I'm not going to hide the fact that I have had discussions with other editors about edits they have made to pages I've spent days cleaning up -- and not always in the most helpful way. I am open and honest here. I don't really appreciate you bringing these prior discussions up on the resolution page as it doesn't seem collegial, now, does it? And it doesn't speak to any of your aggressive and unpleasant actions here, either. You seem incapable of acknowledging your part of this disagreement and that's just really sad. BrillLyle (talk) 04:45, 10 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Hey, I was only trying to get you to calm down a bit, stop and think about not engaging in personal attacks, and remember to assume good faith rather than jumping to some very wrong conclusions. I guess from your response that you're not interested in doing that?  As far as bringing up prior discussions from your talk page, can't help that.  You have a history of article ownership and are engaging in same again.  Articles are to be edited.  By anyone who wants to.  That's the way it's always been here, and I imagine it will be that way forever.  Resigning yourself to that as soon as you can would be a good thing.  Back to the original issue: you were edit warring and did violate 3RR.  In fact, you violated it after receiving a warning.  That's considered disruptive editing.  No two ways around that.  -- <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #0099FF, -4px -4px 15px #99FF00;">Winkelvi ● <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #FF9900, -4px -4px 15px #FF0099;">✉ ✓  05:12, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

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 * Hi Hamilton - I read your response and wrote you one back. I am of the opinion that Alamuddin's background is Druze with origins in Shia Islam. See infobox on the Druze in Lebanon page. It is a stated religion and is considered a "ethnoreligious group." -- If I was going to characterize Mitt Romney as Mormon I think it's only fair to refer to Alamuddin as being at least half Druze via her father.... Thoughts? BrillLyle (talk) 13:53, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks Erika. I've commented at the article talk page - the gist of which is this: I'm accustomed to someone's religion being a matter of their individual beliefs and practices. I've not read anything that reveals anything about these for Amal Alamuddin. In contrast, Mitt Romney was an active participant in the Mormon church, including a period as a missionary, and later as a leader, as cited in his bio. In fact, i would say the Romney article exemplifies my preferred approach: base the statement of someone's religion on cited sources that evidence religious belief and/or practice. Cheers, hamiltonstone (talk) 14:07, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

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Hello, that's a great start for an article. It would have made an interesting DYK, but it would have had to be nominated within 7 days of being created or moved into the main space. So I notice you seem to create some other content but no DYKs. However, the SD article was definitely worth putting on the main page so check it out if you create any more articles. I'd have used the hook "..that Standard Deluxe sponsors the yearly Waverly Old 280 Boogie?

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Sturgill Simpson
The "Current members" field is only to be used if the subject of the article is a group or band. The article is about Sturgill himself, not his band, so that field shouldn't be used. However, you may add a subsection in the body of the article titled something like "Simpson's road band" and then list the members, provided you have a source. Also "notable instruments" is only supposed to be used if the artist has a distinctive individual instrument, like B. B. King's "Lucille" guitar or Jimi Hendrix's Stratocaster. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 20:07, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I think that the article can be considered to be about both Sturgill as well as his band. I am not sure how you can make that decision unilaterally. When you go see Sturgill play it's him including a band. Like when you see PJ Harvey or Sting or whomever. So I think this is not a solid argument.
 * I added a band section but again, I just want to say that I didn't appreciate the snarky tone of the comment and also the deletion of the information that also included a source. When experienced editors do this I find it really counter-productive and would ask that maybe you re-evaluate making edits that are removing sourced content like this.
 * I don't see any rules about the notable instruments. A "supposed to be" is not really good enough. And again, it reduces the skillset of Sturgill's abilities on guitar. And again, I don't see how this deletion is a value-add. It seems very subjective. - Erika BrillLyle (talk) 20:11, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Template:Infobox musical artist explicitly says when to use and not use certain fields in the box, including what I said about notable instruments. Most artists perform with a road band, so putting them in the infobox is undue weight. Again, there's nothing wrong with mentioning them in the body of the article. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 20:29, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Disagree. I think that the way it was on the page was fine. And again, it seems like you are deleting content without regard for how it affects content. And actually, more to the point, why delete content? How about going and fixing up a page that needs it. I find it really mystifying when experienced editors feel the need to rip down content unnecessarily like this. Disagree 100% with what you have done to the page. I do not thank you for these edits. Unreal. - Erika BrillLyle (talk) 20:42, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Pages are not tailored to what you think is fine, but to a specific set of guidelines for internal consistency. It doesn't matter what you think is "fine". Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 21:12, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Fine. But why delete content -- why don't you just focus on pages that need cleanup, or add new content? There's a bigger picture than these deletions that would be more served by your efforts. And it would establish more good will towards other editors that content isn't being deleted. BrillLyle (talk) 21:37, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

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Hi there. I see that one of the sources you added says "Malton-born and raised, Norton says his love of performing began at his old school, Ampleforth College." But the article still says he was born in London. Which is correct? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:42, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi Martinevans123 (talk). I have no idea. I had conflicting spelling of his home town as well -- it could be Marton or Malton (both are referenced and both are close to Ampleforth, which he said was nearby where his family lived). I couldn't find his actual date of birth, either. It's very frustrating and I wasn't quite sure what to do. Thoughts? - Erika BrillLyle (talk) 21:08, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
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 * Yes, tricky, as we have only a year and no mother's name. Forgot that FreeBMD only works before 1984. At least only two choices of location. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:49, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

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 * Hope it wasn't too much or annoying -- told me about the editathon and that help was needed, but I work Saturdays, so couldn't attend in person. Looks like it was a great event! Best to you! Erika aka BrillLyle (talk) 01:56, 16 March 2015 (UTC)