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This Month in GLAM: April 2018
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Tech News: 2018-20
 Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes
 * Dynamic maps are now available on most Wikipedias. Labels on maps can also be in different languages.
 * The new Advanced Search interface is now available as a Beta Feature on all wikis. This makes it easier to learn about and to use many of the powerful options in our search. Feedback is appreciated.

Changes later this week
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 15 May. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 16 May. It will be on all wikis from 17 May (calendar).

Meetings
 * Octicons-sync.svg Octicons-tools.svg You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 16 May at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes
 * In the mobile view, warnings for when something is wrong with a page are not as clear as they should be. The developers are working on this. You can give feedback and suggestions.
 * The developers are working on making the Wikipedia Android app available in more languages. You can give feedback, suggestions and help test it. Read more on mediawiki.org

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Tech News: 2018-21
 Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Changes later this week
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 22 May. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 23 May. It will be on all wikis from 24 May (calendar).

Meetings
 * Octicons-sync.svg Octicons-tools.svg You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 23 May at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes
 * It could become easier to reference different pages of a book in an article. You can give feedback. The last day for feedback is 27 May.

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The Signpost: 24 May 2018
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Event Coordinator
Hi, the English Wikipedia recently created a new user permission for editors involved in off-wiki outreach work, event coordinator. This new permission allows users to mark accounts for confirmed for up to 10 days, and also allows them to create accounts for events without rate limits without some of the features of the account creator right that aren't used at edit-a-thons and other events. I have added the event coordinator permission to your account and removed the account creator permission, as you appear to have been using it mainly for outreach work.This should have no noticeable impact on your ability to create accounts, and will give you the extra ability to temporarily confirm accounts if you need to. For more information, you can see the information page. &#91; stwalkerster &#124; talk &#93; 21:45, 24 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Thanks! -- BrillLyle (talk) 16:02, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

Tech News: 2018-22
 Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes
 * You can now use global preferences on most wikis. This means you can set preferences for all wikis at the same time. Before this you had to change them on each individual wiki. Global preferences will come to the Wikipedias later this week.
 * It is now easier for blocked mobile users to see why they were blocked.
 * Wikidata now supports lexicographical data. This helps describe words.
 * There is now a checkbox on Special:ListUsers to let you see only users in temporary user groups.
 * Some rare invisible Unicode characters have recently been banned from page titles. This includes soft hyphens (U+00AD) and left-to-right (U+2066) and right-to-left (U+2067) isolate markers. Existing pages with these characters will soon be moved by a script.
 * Octicons-tools.svg There's a new Wikimedia Foundation team to support the Wikimedia technical communities. It's called the Technical Engagement team. Most of the team members did similar work in other teams before this.

Problems
 * Some translatable pages are showing old translations instead of latest ones. The cause of this issue has been fixed. We will update all pages automatically to show the latest translations.

Changes later this week
 * There will be a new special page named PasswordPolicies. This page gives information about the password rules for each user group on that wiki.
 * A new way to see moved paragraphs in diffs is coming to most wikis. This is to make it easier to find the moved paragraphs and the changes in them.
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 29 May. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 30 May. It will be on all wikis from 31 May (calendar).
 * Octicons-tools.svg Wikis can enable Citoid to provide automatic reference look-up in the visual editor and the 2017 wikitext editor. This is complex. The tool will now disable itself if the configuration isn't correct. It has warned about this in the JavaScript console since February. Check that your wiki is configured correctly. You can ask for help if you need it.

Meetings
 * Octicons-sync.svg You can join the next meeting with the Editing team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 29 May at 18:30 (UTC). See how to join.
 * Octicons-sync.svg Octicons-tools.svg You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 30 May at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes
 * Content Translation drafts which have not been updated in over a year will be removed. This allows other users to translate those articles.
 * A survey is collecting information on what users think about how Wikimedia wiki pages are loaded. This information could be used in future development.
 * Octicons-tools.svg Some wikis will switch to use the Remex parsing library. This is to replace Tidy. It will happen on 30 May and 13 June. Wikis with fewer than 100 linter issues in the main namespace in all high-priority linter categories will switch. This includes Wikidata. Tidy will probably be removed on all wikis in the first week of July.

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Tech News: 2018-23
 Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes
 * The MonoBook skin has been optimised for mobile devices. It now looks different.
 * Planet Wikimedia collects blogs about Wikimedia. It will now use the Rawdog feed aggregator to do this instead of Planet.
 * Redirect links in Special:WhatLinksHere now link to the original page and not the target page. This was done earlier and changed the used messages on some pages. This was a problem for wikis that customized the message. A new change fixed this by using the old messages with one more parameter for customization. Wikis that already changed their customized messages will have to move the customization back again.

Problems
 * You will not be able to edit some wikis between 06:00 and 06:30 UTC on 13 June. You can see if your wiki is one of them.
 * MassMessage did not work 24–28 May. This is also why last week's Tech News was late.

Changes later this week
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 5 June. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 6 June. It will be on all wikis from 7 June (calendar).

Meetings
 * Octicons-sync.svg You can join the next meeting with the Editing team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 5 June at 18:30 (UTC). See how to join.
 * Octicons-sync.svg Octicons-tools.svg You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 6 June at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes
 * The new filters for edit review tools and interface for watchlists will leave beta. This is planned to happen in June or early July.

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This Month in GLAM: May 2018
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Tech News: 2018-24
 Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes
 * In the Wikipedia app for Android or iOS users can create reading lists. The reading lists can be seen on different devices if you are logged in to your account. There is now a browser extension so you can add pages to your reading list from a web browser. At the moment it works with Firefox and Chrome.
 * Octicons-tools.svg There is a new version of Pywikibot. Pywikibot is a tool to automate tasks on MediaWiki wikis.

Problems
 * The MonoBook skin was changed to make it work better for mobile users. This caused some problems. The change was rolled back to fix them. The new version is now back on the wikis. MonoBook users can opt out from the new responsive design.

Changes later this week
 * The new filters for edit review tools and interface for watchlists will leave beta. For most wikis this will happen on 18 June. For the rest it will happen on 25 June.


 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 12 June. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 13 June. It will be on all wikis from 14 June (calendar).

Meetings
 * You can join the Readers Web team IRC office hour. There you can discuss tools to contribute on the mobile web for the existing MediaWiki skins. The meeting will be on 18 June at 16:00 (UTC). See how to join.
 * Octicons-sync.svg You can join the next meeting with the Editing team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 12 June at 18:30 (UTC). See how to join.
 * Octicons-sync.svg Octicons-tools.svg You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 13 June at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes
 * You will be able to move local wiki files to Commons and keep their original data intact. This is planned to come to the first wikis in June.

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Tech News: 2018-25
 Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes
 * Syntax highlighting has been a beta feature on Wikimedia wikis with text written from left to right. It is now a normal feature. It is based on CodeMirror.

Changes later this week
 * There is no new MediaWiki version this week.

Meetings
 * Octicons-sync.svg You can join the next meeting with the Editing team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 19 June at 18:30 (UTC). See how to join.
 * Octicons-sync.svg Octicons-tools.svg You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 20 June at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes
 * Some old web browsers will not be able to read the Wikimedia wikis. This is because they use an insecure way to connect to them. This means that we get less security for everyone else too. This affects about 0.08% of all traffic to the Wikimedia wikis. This affects for example those who read Wikipedia on a PlayStation 3.
 * The new filters for edit review tools and interface for watchlists will leave beta. Because there is no new MediaWiki version this week it will happen on 25 June for most wikis. For the rest it will happen in early July.
 * Octicons-tools.svg All wikis that have not already done so will switch to use the Remex parsing library on 5 July. This is to replace Tidy. You can help fix remaining errors.

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Books & Bytes – Issue 28
<div style = "color: #936c29; font-size: 4em; font-family: Copperplate, 'Copperplate Gothic Light', serif"> The Wikipedia Library <span style="font-size: 2em; font-family: Copperplate, 'Copperplate Gothic Light', serif">Books & Bytes

Issue 28, April – May 2018 <div style = "margin-top: 1.5em; border: 3px solid #ae8c55; border-radius: .5em; padding: 1em 1.5em; font-size: .9em"> Arabic, Chinese, Hindi, Italian and French versions of Books & Bytes are now available in meta!
 * # 1Bib1Ref
 * New partners
 * Rock's Backpages
 * Invaluable
 * Termsoup
 * User Group update
 * Global branches update
 * Wikipedia Library global coordinators' meeting
 * Spotlight: What are the ten most cited sources on Wikipedia? Let's ask the data
 * Bytes in brief

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Tech News: 2018-26
<section begin="technews-2018-W26"/> Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes
 * Octicons-tools.svg PAWS, our JupyterHub system, got an upgrade and a logo. Several bugs should be fixed.

Problems
 * When a link text was in italics or had other formatting you could sometimes not edit it in the visual editor. This has now been fixed.

Changes later this week
 * Content translation users who translate between any two of Arabic, English, French, Japanese and Russian will be asked to be part of a research project. This is to create better tools for translating articles.
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 26 June. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 27 June. It will be on all wikis from 28 June (calendar).

Meetings
 * Octicons-sync.svg You can join the next meeting with the Editing team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 26 June at 18:30 (UTC). See how to join.
 * Octicons-sync.svg Octicons-tools.svg You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 27 June at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.

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The Signpost: 29 June 2018
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Tech News: 2018-27
<section begin="technews-2018-W27"/> Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes
 * The database for tags will be changed. This will happen on 2 July on French Wikipedia and 9 July on all other wikis. Please report if recent changes get slower or you can't save edits. This could especially affect editors who use the database on ToolForge.

Problems
 * Last week's MediaWiki update was rolled back. This was because of a database problem.

Changes later this week
 * There is no new MediaWiki version this week.

Meetings
 * Octicons-sync.svg You can join the next meeting with the Editing team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 3 July at 18:30 (UTC). See how to join.
 * Octicons-sync.svg Octicons-tools.svg You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 4 July at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.

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Structured Data on Commons Newsletter - Summer 2018
''Welcome to the newsletter for Structured Data on Wikimedia Commons! You can update your subscription to the newsletter and contribute to the next issue. Do inform others who you think will want to be involved in the project!''


 * Community updates
 * Our dedicated IRC channel: wikimedia-commons-sd webchat
 * Since our last newsletter, the Structured Data team has moved into designing and building prototypes for various features. The use of multilingual captions in the UploadWizard and on the file page has been researched, designed, discussed, and built out for use. Behind the scenes, back-end work on search is taking place and designs are being drawn up for the front-end. There will soon be specifications published for the use of the first Wikidata property on Commons, "Depicts," and a prototype is to be released to go along with that.


 * Things to do / input and feedback requests


 * A workshop on what Wikidata properties Commons will need. This workshop will be open for the entire month of July 2018 at minimum.


 * Join the community focus group!
 * Do you want to help out translating messages about Structured Data on Commons from English to your own language? Sign up on the translators page.
 * Contribute to the next newsletter.
 * Discussions held


 * In late February there was a discussion around how Commons generally sees data being modeled.


 * The first discussion on copyright and licensing with Commons was held in March. This was a "high level" discussion, there will be a consultation later this summer about the deeper mapping of copyright and licensing in a structured way.
 * In April there was an exercise for GLAM partners in metadata and ontology mapping.
 * A discussion about the design for Multilingual Captions on the file page took place in May. You can still review the designs and leave feedback.
 * There was an IRC office hour in June to discuss progress so far and future plans.


 * Wikimania 2018
 * Three sessions about Structured Commons are officially scheduled for Wikimania 2018 - Cape Town, South Africa - July 2018.
 * Wikimedia Commons and GLAM needs around the world (Friday 20 July, 10:30 local time)
 * Structured Data on Wikimedia Commons and knowledge equity (Friday 20 July, 14:00 local time)
 * Design challenge workshop: How can multilingual structured metadata bring knowledge equity to Commons? (Friday 20 July, 14:30 local time)
 * Structured Data on Commons is also a focus area during the Wikimania 2018 Hackathon. We will, among other things, do 'live' modelling of Wikidata properties for Commons - an offline spin-off of the community consultation taking place on wiki.


 * Partners and allies
 * We are still welcoming (more) staff from GLAMs (Galleries, Libraries, Archives and Museums) to become part of our long-term focus group (phabricator task T174134). You will be kept in the loop of the project, and receive regular small surveys and requests for feedback. Get in touch with Sandra if you're interested - your input in helping to shape this project is highly valued!
 * Structured Data on Commons was presented to GLAM audiences during EuropeanaTech 2018 in Rotterdam (15 May 2018) and at the Deutsche Digitale Bibliothek Forum in Berlin (4 June 2018).


 * Research

Two research projects about Wikimedia Commons are currently ongoing, or in the process of being finished:


 * 1) Research:Curation workflows on Wikimedia Commons—a project that seeks to understand the current workflows of Commons contributors who curate media (categorize it, delete it, link to it from other projects, etc.).
 * 2) Research:Technical needs of external re-users of Commons media—soliciting feedback from individuals and organizations that re-use Commons content outside of Wikimedia projects, in order to understand their current painpoints and unmet needs.




 * Development
 * Prototypes will be available for Depicts soon.


 * Stay up to date!
 * Follow the Structured Data on Commons project on Phabricator: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/project/profile/34/
 * Subscribe to this newsletter to receive it on a talk page of your own choice.
 * Join the next IRC office hour and ask questions to the team! The date for next quarter will be announced soon.

-- Keegan (WMF) (talk)

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Structured Data Newsletter - Research link fix
Greetings,

The newsletter omitted two interwiki prefixes, breaking the links on non-meta wikis as you might see above. Here are the correct links:


 * 1) m:Research:Curation workflows on Wikimedia Commons—a project that seeks to understand the current workflows of Commons contributors who curate media (categorize it, delete it, link to it from other projects, etc.).
 * 2) m:Research:Technical needs of external re-users of Commons media—soliciting feedback from individuals and organizations that re-use Commons content outside of Wikimedia projects, in order to understand their current painpoints and unmet needs.

My apologies, I hope you find the corrected links helpful.

- Keegan (WMF) (talk) 21:21, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

Catalina Cruz (politician)
If you want a copy of Catalina Cruz (politician) in your userspace, you must ask an admin to Userfy the article that was deleted so that the article history is preserved. Creating the article by copying and pasting into your userspace creates a copyvio problem because there's no attribution for everyone else's edits.

Pinging AfD closing admin for help: can you Userfy the Catalina Cruz (politician) article over User:BrillLyle/Catalina_Cruz_(politician)? Or delete the userspace article and then Userfy the original article? Or is there another way to handle this? Thanks! Ca2james (talk) 03:48, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I see Spartaz is on vacation so I am adding a request for admin help. Ca2james (talk) 02:51, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

Admin help request
Can the page Catalina Cruz (politician), which was deleted via AfD, be userfied in BrillLyle's userspace? Complicating things is that a cut-and-paste version of the page was recently created here, creating an attribution problem, and has recently been edited. Can the history of the page in userspace be merged to the userfied article and then the cut-and-paste page be deleted? Or is there some other way of handling this situation? Thank you! Ca2james (talk) 02:51, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
 * This is probably one of those situations where you want talk to the admin who closed the AfD and deleted the article. Courtesy ping . -Ad Orientem (talk) 20:38, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks, . I'd pinged Spartaz earlier but he's apparently on vacation and I wasn't sure how long he'd be away. Ca2james (talk) 21:34, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Re-ping . Ca2james (talk) 21:35, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
 * ✅ Copy and paste version was deleted (G6). The original was restored and moved into the user space. Note: This userfied page is not to be moved back into the mainspace unless the subject wins their election or notability is clearly established independent of their political career. I also want to note that I am extremely uncomfortable with the overall tone of the article which reads like it was written as a campaign advert. -Ad Orientem (talk) 22:28, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks very much ! There are definitely tone problems with the article as written, in addition to the subject currently not meeting notability guidelines. The article needs a lot of work before it's ready for mainspace. Ca2james (talk) 23:04, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Ok. I think we are on the same page here. Good luck. -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:06, 10 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Thank you. I'm glad the page has been userfied.
 * I don't believe the page has a promotional tone. I worked diligently on this page to make sure it was neutral. The facts on the page, which are not promotional but are factual, are supported by solid citations with a focus on neutrality. This is how I edit as a matter of course. This page is no exception. Additionally, I made corrections that were suggested to improve neutrality in support of notability.
 * In my opinion, this looks like it is another Ocasio situation, which reflects an embarrassing bias of Wikipedia culture. I understand Wikipedia editors have an overriding negative bias against political candidate entries, but at a certain point this knee-jerk reaction needs to be re-evaluated, especially given the current political climate, especially in the U.S. It becomes even more problematic when the subject is a woman and is a person of color and immigrant. As a New Yorker who is following and impacted by local news, there is a missing perspective that other editors might be overlooking when evaluating this article and looking at both notability and neutrality.
 * Again, thanks for userfication. -- Erika aka BrillLyle (talk) 04:46, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

July 2018
You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war&#32; according to the reverts you have made on Amy McGrath. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

Points to note: If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes and work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. Seraphim System  ( talk ) 10:41, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
 * 1) Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made;
 * 2) Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.
 * If you need to draft something use a sandbox, don't revert reference archiving. Seraphim System  ( talk ) 10:42, 8 July 2018 (UTC)


 * This is an edit war you created. I'm in process of editing the page. You are adding a ton of meaningless text to the citations that the IABot will check as a matter of course. If you are going to edit the page and contribute that's one thing, but to very un-collegially add this stuff to a very clean, updated, in progress page, is very hostile. Please stop. It doesn't add anything to this process.
 * Also, please refrain from lecturing me on how to edit. I know how to edit. Archiving does not need to clog up citations like this. Plus you didn't discuss this before doing this, which is 3R actually. -- BrillLyle (talk) 10:45, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
 * It's clear from your response that you didn't read WP:LINKROT like I asked you to. In fact, missing archive links are a citation error. It's like saying inline citations clutter the text - the fact that you think that doesn't make it ok for you to remove them. I archived to preserve the links - that's not "uncollegial" - a lot of GA articles suffer from irrecoverable LINKROT because no one bothered to run IABot before the links died. See also Citing_sources/Further_considerations Seraphim System  ( talk ) 11:07, 8 July 2018 (UTC)


 * I don't need to read the link you sent. I understand what the intention is by doing this. It's just not necessary, in my opinion, and more critically, it makes working with the citations on the page, as it is in progress, much more difficult. The IABot does this already and does it in an unobstructive way by putting notices on the Talk page, not adding a bunch of unnecessary archived links to ALL cites on the page. I disagree with this editing approach and would stress here that if you are adding content and citations, that's one thing, but to add this much redundant, difficult to wade through, extra info, is not helpful. I would ask you to reconsider this action. And also, before doing something so major, maybe take it to the talk page to discuss first. Especially when it's clear I've been working on this entry for hours now, and it's clear I'm not finished yet. -- BrillLyle (talk) 11:11, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I think you are confusing this with the "External links modified" notices - IA Bot doesn't leave talk page notices. There is nothing "obstructive" about it. I understand your frustration, but an experienced editor should know that drafting in mainspace is not ideal. Seraphim System ( talk ) 11:21, 8 July 2018 (UTC)


 * I edit one way, maybe others edit another way. It doesn't make one way better than another. I don't really appreciate the lecture here. It is assumptive and implies that I don't know what I'm doing or that I'm doing something wrong, when I'm actually adding content, one of the more difficult things to do -- especially compared to running a bot on the page. Also, to clarify, I am not frustrated. I totally disagree with what you are doing here. The impact is so incredibly negative that it baffles. I would again ask you to stop and reconsider doing this to entries, especially entries like this one that are clean and well sourced. -- BrillLyle (talk) 11:25, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
 * If you have a problem with WP:LINKROT start a discussion. I'm not going to stop archiving unless there is some kind of community wide RfC consensus prohibiting it. I archive a lot of pages, and have had relatively few complaints. Most editors appreciate maintenance work - we would all like to be "adding content", but I have seen too many articles - even GA quality articles - where the citations have become inaccessible over time. There is no way to recover them. Clearly, IA Bot hasn't prevented that. I don't know the reason why, but I do know irrecoverable LINKROT is hugely detrimental to the encyclopedia and it should be prevented. This strongly outweighs WP:JDL arguments against archiving. Seraphim System ( talk ) 11:43, 8 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Okay. So we agree we disagree.... :-) So maybe in an act of good faith could you skip doing this page, especially while I'm still working on it? I would really appreciate it. I would love it if you would skip it completely, as I plan on continuing to edit it if it needs it. But you are obviously going to do what you want here so it's a AGF request. -- BrillLyle (talk) 11:46, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Yup, it's fine and thank you for adding content about women in the military. I'm not 100% sure how it works, but I think once you archive them, the links will be there if they ever need to be recovered. I won't be doing it, but you might consider archiving from time to time, even if you self-revert afterwards. The article is sourced mostly to media sources, so in a few years who knows if those sources will still be accessible.  Seraphim System  ( talk ) 11:57, 8 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Thanks so much. That's a great suggestion if I'm worried about the cites being a bit mushy. Best, -- BrillLyle (talk) 12:00, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

Nomination of Ochs-Sulzberger family for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Ochs-Sulzberger family is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Ochs-Sulzberger family until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Wikiacc (¶) 23:13, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

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MOS:ACCESS / MOS:FONTSIZE
MOS:ACCESS / MOS:FONTSIZE: "Avoid using smaller font sizes in elements that already use a smaller font size, such as infoboxes, navboxes and reference sections."

I asked a question about whether or not you saw my edit summary. That is AGF, because I'm considering you may have failed to notice it, rather than editing against the Manual of Style intentionally. As those links say, small should not be used in infoboxes, references, or navboxes, as those already use smaller than default font, and that's an accessibility issue. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:12, 9 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Yes. I saw that. I don't appreciate this message or the lecture, to be frank. I know how to edit. I stripped the unnecessary information out of the infobox, like the degree. It's more typically in the edu section. I updated what I could to the page. Had planned on doing a significant amount of work on this but this edit experience is not what I'm interested in participating in on Wikipedia so I'll stop now. I don't think you really understand the concept of AGF or collaborative editing. So I will stop now, for real. FYI - I updated the Wikidata item too. Good luck. -- BrillLyle (talk) 16:18, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I didn't know if you saw the edit summary or understood what was behind it, which is AGF. If you saw the edit summary, then I have to wonder why you reinserted the small template in the infobox. That's not violating any assumptions of good faith. I do apologize if this has come across as a "lecture" as that is not my intent. My intent is to follow the Manual of Style. We can all edit collaboratively, within those guidelines. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:21, 9 July 2018 (UTC)


 * I was getting an edit conflict so must have added small text back in by accident. It should be gone now. But really the point is not that this edit summary list of the rules wasn't clear, but rather, it is that I was adding content and cleaning up the page and there seemed to be a fixation on this size thing. It's okay. Go ahead and work on the page, if you want to add content and clean it up. It definitely needs it. I am just not into this kind of back and forth like this, as it seems counterproductive. I will move on and edit other things. -- BrillLyle (talk) 16:33, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Also, I would ask that you don't follow my edits, as that is really not cool. I don't need an admin to go through my edits and change things like this. It's just not helpful or necessary. There's so much other work to do. And when an admin goes into an editor's edits like this, it's really invasive and can be like bullying. This is a request. I just want to edit in peace and this is not peaceful. I hope you can understand that. -- BrillLyle (talk) 16:41, 9 July 2018 (UTC)


 * If you want me to stop editing, contributing significant content, and drive me off pages, then making me feel like I'm being harassed is the way to do it. I think someone with your edit count might understand that this is not a pleasant way to edit. I'm always happy to collaborate in terms of improving content on a page, but I am not interested in fixating on things and arguing on Talk pages over and over over minutiae. So it's up to you. Follow my edits and I will abandon ship and move to something else. -- BrillLyle (talk) 16:51, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm not "following" your edits, but simply seeing pages that I'm following pop up in my watchlist. We're all trying to improve articles. I suggest you undo the edit on Sherrill's page undoing my edit, as that was also formatting fixes that improve the article. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:52, 9 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Okay. It just seemed weird that a page I've worked on intensively for the last 36 hours was an edit you made shortly after this series of edits. But I will AGF here. I use the default date font because it's the Citoid default and is faster. Changing the date format is not helpful or adding content. Changing dashes is again fine, but it's not adding content. Why change cosmetics on a page when it's clear someone is in process on it? I don't get this. There's so much work to do on Wikipedia. So many pages that need help. It's clear this page doesn't need help, unless you are going to add significant content. I don't know. It seems like I am saying the same thing over and over again and it is not being heard. Or maybe you disagree. Just let me know and I can move on so I can continue to edit. I want to edit and add content, but I don't want to get drawn into this kind of stuff that isn't adding value. -- BrillLyle (talk) 17:00, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

Tech News: 2018-28
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Recent changes
 * WebM video files have smaller file size but still be of the same quality. Creating WebM files will take longer time.
 * The new filters for edit review tools and interface for watchlists will leave beta. This was supposed to already have happened but was delayed. For most wikis this will happen on 9 July. For the rest it will happen on 16 July.
 * Octicons-tools.svg All wikis now use the Remex parsing library instead of Tidy. This could cause errors. You can help fix the errors.

Problems
 * When you rolled back an edit it could get both the  and   tags. This has been fixed.
 * Rollbacks from autopatrolled users were not marked as patrolled. This has been fixed.

Changes later this week
 * When you edit a link in the visual editor there will be two separate buttons to change which page the link goes to (target) or its text (label).
 * On the mobile version you can find a link to an editor's contributions from their user page. Now this will work even if they haven't created a user page.
 * When you edit a discussion on the mobile version you sometimes get your signature automatically added. This will now not happen if you have already added a signature manually. This is to avoid double signatures.
 * Structured discussions toolbars will have more style options.
 * Octicons-tools.svg When you look at Wikimedia code in Gerrit there will be a new interface. It is on by default for new users. This is also true for developers. This is to make it easier to understand what is happening.
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 10 July. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 11 July. It will be on all wikis from 12 July (calendar).

Meetings
 * Octicons-sync.svg You can join the next meeting with the Editing team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 10 July at 18:30 (UTC). See how to join.
 * Octicons-sync.svg Octicons-tools.svg You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 11 July at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes
 * Today all administrators can edit CSS and JavaScript for the entire wiki. There will be a new user group for editing CSS and JavaScript. Administrators will no longer automatically be able to do this. This is because it is a security risk when all administrator accounts can edit JavaScript even if they never plan to or do not know how it works. You can read more.
 * Page previews will be on by default for new accounts.

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A few words of advice on taking part in discussions
I have just read Articles for deletion/Ochs-Sulzberger family, and I have a couple of pieces of advice which you may or may not find helpful.

Whether you intended it or not, you come across there as angry with other editors, and your comments at times seemed to be aimed more at expressing your low opinions of those other editors than discussing the merits or demerits of the proposal being discussed. My advice is that even if that is how you feel, you are more likely to influence a discussion towards your point of view if you come across as civilly explaining your reasons for disagreeing, while respecting the views of those who disagree with you. You will be more likely to have your views taken notice of if you do that, even if you don't believe that the other participants deserve your respect.

It is clear from what you have said in that discussion that you are one of the editors who believe that deleting content is in itself a bad thing. I don't know whether you would go so far as a small minority of editors who think that no deletion should ever take place, so that Wikipedia should become like one of the open blogs and forums which allow anyone to post virtually anything, or whether you think that some things must be deleted, but would like it to be kept to a minimum. However, whatever your views, there is a wide spectrum of opinion, with many editors believing that keeping out unsuitable content is just as important a part of maintaining Wikipedia as adding suitable content. Probably you will never change to holding that view, but I suggest respecting the opinions of those who do so, and accept that they hold that view in good faith, rather than accusing them of doing so "out of fear or maybe just plain incompetence". We don't and never will all agree, either on that or on any one of the many other issues that come up in relation to work for the encyclopaedia, but we can all work together more smoothly and productively if we accept that there is a range of tenable opinions, and avoid appearing to show contempt for those who hold different views from our own.

As I said above, you may or may not find that advice helpful, but I offer it for what it's worth. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 19:15, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

XHTML edit that changes nothing
Please don't make edits that in no way change a page's rendering or function. Additionally, why would you include an XHTML-style  rather than HTML 5-style   (cf.? ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 05:33, 15 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Hi Justin. I use the syntax highlighter in Wiki Markup when I edit. It is under Preferences --> Gadgets --> Editing. Without the "/" everything is pink. It's typical to add them in so the code is easier to edit. It's a fabulous thing, syntax highlighting. BTW -- Love New Multitudes so much! Great record! :-) Best, - Erika aka BrillLyle (talk) 05:37, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Erika. That is really odd to me... Why would the editor add these changes...? Thanks. ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 05:47, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Now I'm confused :-) I made those changes, and I explained above why I did that. I'm sorry if that was unclear. -- Erika aka 05:50, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I think I understand the reason you did it: this tool recommends it. Now, the question is, "Why does this tool prefer XHTML-style tags rather than HTML 5 tags?" but that's not a question for you since you didn't make the tool. Does that make sense? ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 06:24, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I guess it makes sense. I don't really have an opinion on what the original creator of the tool did or not -- or if the syntax highlighter has this idiosyncratic thing going on. I just want to edit the pages easily, which syntax highlighter does really well. So if I add the "/" to the br tag it's not a critical issue. I don't really get why it's an issue when it's done on the majority of pages I open up with pre-existing edits. Beside the fact that a bot can adjust this if need be -- which it doesn't need to be fixed in my opinion. I'm just being flexible to address functionality, quite frankly. So just going to move on. I will continue to be adding the "/" so myself and other editors can use the syntax highlighter in a functional way. -- Best, -- Erika aka BrillLyle (talk) 07:20, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
 * It's not an issue at all--we may be speaking past one another. Thanks for working with me on the encyclopedia, Erika! Let me know if there's anything I can do for you. ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 08:04, 15 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Thanks Justin. Same here, if I can be of help or if you need a collaborator. Best to you -- Erika aka BrillLyle (talk) 08:07, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

Tech News: 2018-29
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Recent changes
 * You can now use global preferences on Wikimedia wikis. You can set them on the global preferences page.
 * You can now see a new log of pages being created at Special:Log/create. It includes pages which are later deleted. It is now available on all Wikimedia wikis except Commons and Wikidata.
 * You can see how many pageviews a wiki had from specific countries. The |map|2-Year~2016060100~2018071100|~total Wikistats2 maps have now been updated.

Changes later this week
 * Your watchlist will show changes from the last seven days instead of three. If you have already set a length preference it will not change.
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from July 17. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from July 18. It will be on all wikis from July 19 (calendar).

Meetings
 * Octicons-sync.svg You can join the next meeting with the Editing team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on July 17 at 18:30 (UTC). See how to join.
 * Octicons-sync.svg Octicons-tools.svg You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on July 18 at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes
 * Some articles have messages to readers about problems with the article. For example that it does not cite sources or might not be neutral. Readers do not see these messages on the mobile version. The developers now want to show them. You can read more and leave feedback.
 * You can use  to create search boxes for specific pages. For example to search the archives of a community discussion page. Instead of   you will see a text that explains which pages are being searched. You can read more and leave feedback.

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