User talk:BrineStans/Archives - 2008

Roan Photos
I moved the photos so there is not a huge gap between the heading and the text in the "Peaks on Roan Mountain" section. Every photo creates an uneccesary line break. What difference does it make if I move them anyway? They display in virtually the same spot. You need to relax a little and step off it.Eleutherosmartin (talk) 02:55, 13 January 2008 (UTC)


 * See the Discussion page on Roan Mountain. Bms4880 (talk) 16:46, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

GA review of Overhill Cherokee
I've reviewed the article, very interesting subject! I've put the article nomination on hold for seven days to give folks a chance to address the issues I found. If you have any questions or concerns, feel free to bring them up and I'll be happy to discuss my reasoning and try to find solutions. You can do that either on the article talk page, on my talk page, or here, as I have all of them watchlisted for now. Ealdgyth | Talk 23:16, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Overhill Cherokee and HT articles
There are actually a couple different portraits of Ostenaco available. Both are by Joshua Reynolds. One is already on the Ostenaco article page, and I added the second to the Henry Timberlake article. I'll run through the Overhill Cherokee article and tweak what I can find to tweak.. I've already resized one map to make the text not as squished, and moved one picture down a little bit to make it fit better with the corresponding text. I'll see what else I can find. -- PEPSI2786 talk 03:28, 22 January 2008 (UTC)


 * The only other thing I'm really coming up with to make the Overhill Cherokee article better... is perhaps we should just remove the first picture you made in the Geography section. It's almost superfluous with Timberlake's draught in there, and it really seems to crowd that part of the article. But I'll leave that up to you. It does show the location of modern roads and towns. It's really looking good though. Great work! -- PEPSI2786 talk 03:39, 22 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, I ditched the map that covered the same area as Timberlake's map. The present map shows the entire Overhill area (i.e., between Hiwassee River and Little Tennessee River), whereas Timberlake's map only shows the Little T.  It's not really crowding the article on my monitor, but if it's making too much of a mess, I'm not terribly attached to it.  Bms4880 (talk) 03:51, 22 January 2008 (UTC)


 * It can stay, since it's adding something. I didn't notice that it covered a wider area. -- PEPSI2786 talk 04:07, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

You had the Henry Timberlake article saying that the journey down the rivers to Tomotley was a 5-day journey, but it appears to be more like 20. The text is somewhat confusing on the matter, and I was wondering what you think it looks like it is saying? It mentions the 6th of December, then mentions the 11th.. then after that there are several times it says, "Next morning.." It definitely can't be 5 days, though, having left on November 28th and not being there yet on Dec 11th. -- PEPSI2786 talk 05:40, 25 January 2008 (UTC)


 * ??? No idea why I put five days.  It took 23 days for the party to get from Long Island to Tomotley (source).  I'll try to work on the HT article this afternoon.  Bms4880 (talk) 15:40, 25 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I don't know. I'll look around and see if I can find some sort of confirmation of who that is. I know that the other sketch on the cover of that book is one of the two portraits of Ostenaco by Joshua Reynolds. And I agree, we need to split that 'Life' section up into a few different sections, or perhaps just subsections. -- PEPSI2786 talk 19:44, 25 January 2008 (UTC)


 * So, I found the inside of that book on Google Books (link), and it doesn't say who the cover art is. Granted, it's not the entire insides of the book, but I'm thinking that's just some random colonial. The only picture of "Timberlake" is a recent mannequin of him at the Cherokee Museum. -- PEPSI2786 talk 19:57, 25 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I was thinking the same thing about the editors, and I had noticed the dance being at the wrong spot and kind of half moved it already. When I get a chance, I'll start adding the editors into the citations. -- PEPSI2786 talk 22:57, 26 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Great job on the expansion, by the way. It looks nice. I'll go through it in more detail and see if there's anything I can fix up when I have a bit more time. -- PEPSI2786 talk 23:03, 26 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I threw in a mention of his being an Ensign, and removed a line which said he was "now a Lieutenant". It was listed as being referenced from page 41, but I have found no mention of him becoming a Lieutenant until his return from England. And if he was already a Lieutenant being awarded the rank then would be a bit redundant. I'm pretty sure he was an Ensign throughout the adventure. -- PEPSI2786 talk 08:41, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Wow...
I've been on a bit of a Wikibreak for the last month, and I just noticed the great work you've done recently on East Tennessee articles like Kingston and Icehouse Bottom. I'm really impressed... keep it up! Pinball22 (talk) 14:11, 30 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks, Pinball, and welcome back! Bms4880 (talk) 00:23, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Appalachian coves
Considering that "cove" is not a scientific or technical term and does not have a formal meaning, but is merely a descriptive word, I do not support your idea of creating a table of notable coves. However, Cove (Appalachian Mountains) would benefit from some additional examples. The two examples there now, Cades Cove and Wears Cove, are both limestone windows and thus do not represent the full range of features called "cove." Do you know of some good examples of other features called "cove" -- ideally somewhere in Appalachia other than Blount County, TN? --Orlady (talk) 01:26, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Bays Mountain
Removal of the entire history section due to its being plagiarized seems like over-reaction. Why not use the source as a basis (i.e., a reference) for writing a shorter history? (FWIW, I edited that section, with the result that a couple of phrases in it were no longer a verbatim copy.) --Orlady (talk) 01:16, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
 * My apologies-- I didn't notice the rephrasing (I thought you just fixed some links). It'll still need to be re-written.  I'll try to get to it in the coming weeks.  Bms4880 (talk) 12:57, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Waverly, Tennessee
Thanks for the nice pictures and text you added to the Waverly article. As my hometown, it holds a rather special place in my heart ;) I only wish I were able to travel around and take photos, though it appears you have the job quite firmly in hand! Kudos. — Huntster (t • @ • c) 17:00, 12 February 2008 (UTC)


 * If you know of any buildings or sites in Waverly that are more important to Waverlyans, feel free to replace any of my images. I just snapped what I could find on the courthouse square. The article could definitely use a shot of the whole town from one of the surrounding hills, and maybe a shot of Trace Creek.  Bms4880 (talk) 18:22, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Henry Timberlake GA Review
The article on Henry Timberlake has finally received it's GA Review. I don't overly agree with the reviewers comments, as he thinks we need more references to avoid NPOV, and we need more pictures, but failed to even mention our short lead. That being said, I'll see what I can do to fix what he dislikes. -- PEPSI2786 talk 05:01, 18 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Reviewers aren't perfect. We'll need to go ahead and increase the lede to two paragraphs.  Like I said, if we can stick a book cover at the top as the first picture, that would work.  It shouldn't be too difficult to find a few more references.  Bms4880 (talk) 15:08, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Dreamcatcher (in lieu of barnstar)
This Dreamcatcher is hereby awarded to Bms4880 in recognition of contributions to recognizing and documenting the indigenous people of the United States in Wikipedia, both through researching and contributing new articles (such as Overhill Cherokee) and through correcting errors and misconceptions in existing articles (such as your recent edits in Knoxville, Tennessee).

Keep up the good work.

--Orlady (talk) 01:19, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Your photographic travels
Anderson-Campbell-Scott-Morgan, eh? You might even manage to shame me into heading out and taking some Wikimedia photos in and around Oak Ridge...


 * Yes. That was the purpose of the photos I added to the Clinton article, but with no success.

You definitely should visit Rugby, Tennessee; the Episcopal church, the old library, and some of the other buildings from Thomas Hughes' colony are worth seeing and photographing. In Morgan County, Petros, Tennessee and the Brushy Mountain State Penitentiary are also photo-worthy. I'm fond of Frozen Head State Park and Natural Area, which already has a nice photo, but the top of Frozen Head (a long hike up! -- much too long for a quick trip) has an ideal view of Brushy Mountain. You may also find some good shots of coal tipples and country churches in the rural parts of the counties.

Briceville is hard to get to (it's a long way off the beaten path, but visually very interesting).

The older (historic) parts of Oliver Springs, Tennessee, are worth a photo (west of the main street, mostly). There is some bizarre artwork made from old appliances, etc., around the occupied part of the abandoned shopping center between Oak Ridge and Oliver Springs. The wind turbines on the mountain overlooking Oliver Springs are an interesting topic for a photo -- from a distance, as it costs something like $15 or $20 to drive up close on a 4WD-only road. The views from Oak Ridge might be better than the views from Oliver Springs.


 * These are all excellent suggestions (I'm surprised there are no photographs of Rugby on Wikimedia). I already have many, many shots of Frozen Head State Park and have gathered notes to expand the article, but I keep getting sidetracked.  I think I already have a shot of the state pen (the view from the summit is partially-obsructed by trees).  The windmills on Fork Mountain don't photograph well from a distance (at least not from Frozen Head or Lone Mountain), but they might be more prominent from Oliver Springs.
 * The windmills are distant, but visible, from several places in Oak Ridge, including Hwy 62 south of Oak Ridge, various spots on Outer and West Outer Drive, and some places in Emory Valley and the center of town. I think the view actually might be better from Oak Ridge than from Oliver Springs. --Orlady (talk) 22:16, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

In Oak Ridge, it would be good to do photos at the peace bell (no article yet; in center of town on Badger Road), Chapel on the Hill (east side of town), American Museum of Science and Energy (center of town), George Jones Memorial Baptist Church in the former community of Wheat, Tennessee (west of town but east of K-25; visible from Highway 58 east of Blair Road), and one or all of the three historic "checking stations" on the National Register (all are in publicly accessible areas; one is off Highway 62 near Y-12, one is on Bethel Valley Road near the interchange with Highway 62, and the other is on Hwy 95 as you drive west out of "town" toward the old K-25 site). When you park at the peace bell, you can also shoot Oak Ridge Associated Universities across the street. There are also plenty of old cemeteries that are accessible, but many of the sites with articles are "behind the fence." The Children's Museum of Oak Ridge isn't much to look at from the outside, but there are plenty of interesting photos inside.

'Nuf for now. It's bedtime.

--Orlady (talk) 05:26, 26 February 2008 (UTC)


 * These places should be no problem. Do you know anything about the Freels Cabin?  It's listed on the register.  Also, is there a place or road on the surrounding ridges that look out over the town?  Bms4880 (talk) 21:35, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Freels Cabin is in an area where the public does not normally have access. Anyway, when I saw the cabin fairly recently, there was "stuff" in the way of a good photo (bright-colored plastic flagging around the porches). There are some good public domain photos of it, but I need to dig to find one that is digital and is clearly identified as to its original source.
 * One good place to view the town is the otherwise abominable "Oak Ridge Summit" (if the road is not blocked off) -- turn off on the west side of Hwy 62 on the southern approach to Oak Ridge. --Orlady (talk) 22:16, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Mountains with braggin' rights
Thanks for fixing that error. My original intention was only to correct the entry that was something like "among the tallest east of the Appalachians" (wrong on two counts: (1) should be west, not east and (2) the Cumberlands are part of the Appalachians, sensu strictu), but I got carried away. I had intended to go back and check for accuracy, but forgot to do so. --Orlady (talk) 02:20, 9 March 2008 (UTC)


 * It's no problem. I can't believe I confused east with west in the first paragraph.  Anyway, nice copyedit&mdash; the article looks great now.  Bms4880 (talk) 01:41, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

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ok?

 * ...that the Eva archaeological site in Tennessee was inhabited from about 6000 to 1,000 B.C, but it is now below water? by Bms4880 ok? Victuallers (talk) 22:48, 19 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Correct. Is the wording confusing?  Bms4880 (talk) 00:39, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

In response to your questions
Q1. Is the "Luther Brannon House"?
 * A: I believe so. I recognize the house. The address approximately matches the NRHP description, and it's the only stone house anywhere around there. I think it needs to be cropped, though...

Q2. Is the Bethel Valley Checking Station?
 * A: Yes. Definitely. The other two checking stations have been restored/renovated; this one is merely preserved.

I look forward to seeing your other photos. --Orlady (talk) 23:53, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Re: George Jones Church -- The road to it is open to pedestrians as a greenway, although it is closed on spring weekends when turkey hunts are occurring. --Orlady (talk) 13:29, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

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Knoxville
Great job with the Knoxville TN article! I was the reader who added the original info about the Native Americans a few years back (sorry some of it wasn't accurate, my sources must have been wrong). The first time I read that article, I was so irritated that the history began with European settlement and barely mentioned the people who already lived there. Thanks for helping to expand that section, it means a lot.

204.253.252.20 (talk) 16:30, 11 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I enjoyed expanding the history section for Knoxville, it being my hometown. I haven't checked the excavation reports for some of the sites mentioned in the first paragraph (Post Oak Island, et al), but some of these sites might be substantial enough for their own articles, especially Bussell Island (the village of "Coste" visited by De Soto in 1540 was probably located on this island).  Bms4880 (talk) 19:28, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

House Mountain and WATE-TV
Thanks for the clarification needed on the House Mountain article. I went back and listened to the videotape of the PM Magazine interview I did with John Reece in 1983, and he verified everything in the Broadcasting History of House Mountain. I also have a taped interview with the late Guy Smith, former director of the Knoxville Zoo, and former broadcasting engineer who also helped put WTSK-TV (formerly WTVK-TV, Channel 26 on the air in 1953, and he also spoke of the House Mountain fight. Csneed (talk) 20:45, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Citation added to House Mountain
I have now included the factual citation and attribution to the House Mountain article. Csneed (talk) 00:54, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Grassy Cove
Nicely done article right off the bat, presto! Pfly (talk) 05:19, 26 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks, pfly, the Grassy Cove article was partially inspired by your Sequatchie Valley article. Bms4880 (talk) 13:49, 26 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Heh, thanks. I just looked at your user page and the long list of articles you've created or expanded -- very nice. I was working on east and middle TN pages for some time after a visit to the region a few years ago, but have slacked off. Looks like you have hit on quite a few of the pages I had in mind (mainly geographical and historical). I see you made Ozone Falls State Natural Area. That's one of the places I tromped around and discovered had no wikipedia page. Nice photos too. Have you been to Savage Gulf? I stopped there for a "quick hike", starting around noon. Due to my own inattention I got semi-lost and ended up hiking a much longer loop than intended, not getting out until after dark, and without a flashlight or more than a small bottle of water. I've long wanted to make a page for the place, but probably won't get to it, especially now that some years have passed since I was there. There is a redlink to Savage Gulf Natural Area on the very stubby South Cumberland State Park. If you haven't been there, it is quite scenic and interesting. Thanks for your work on some of the other places I visited while in the area, like Roundtop Trail. The foggy photo of the trail looks good -- when I was there is was blisteringly hot and sunny. Pfly (talk) 04:22, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I haven't been to Savage Gulf in several years, but I have been planning to return to collect info and photographs. For some reason, that area along the TN-Alabama border seems like a really long drive.  I didn't get lost, but the trail I followed was marked only by blazes, with no discernible footpath.  Bms4880 (talk) 21:29, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Photo
That'd be brilliant. Do you have the photographers barnstar? :-) Victuallers (talk) 21:08, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, if you scroll up, it's up there somewhere. Bms4880 (talk) 22:38, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Deery Inn, Blountville
Hi. Nice photo.

Having researched the early history of Blountville last evening, I was surprised by the statement that Deery Inn was built in the 1780s, as my source said the first hotel dates from 1792. I found a reliable source of factoids about Deery Inn: http://www.etsu.edu/cass/archives/Collections/afindaid/a41.html. According to that page, "The Deery Inn was built around 1800 as a store and home. William Deery, a native of Londonderry, Ireland, occupied the building until his death in 1845. Subsequent owners of the property transformed the structure into an inn. One of the more recent owners Virginia Caldwell, has renovated and restored the building. (For additional information on the inn see Families and History of Sullivan County, Tennessee. Volume One, 1779-1992, p. 211.)" Do you have a conflicting source for the 1780s date? --Orlady (talk) 14:39, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Here's another source that indicates that Deery acquired it in 1801, but is vague on the date of its construction: http://www.sullivancountyarchives.com/schpa.htm --Orlady (talk) 14:42, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

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 * For the record, I have moved this image to Commons under the name Middleton-place-sc1.jpg. I have requested IM000766 be deleted.  Bms4880 (talk) 18:22, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Cataloochee Photos
Hey Brian, I visited Cataloochee last weekend and took a few photos of the elk and one of the valley from Sal Patch Gap. I was going to add one or two of them to your outstanding Cataloochee Valley article, but since you've done such a great job not only creating, but also maintaining the article I thought it would be better to call your attention to the photos and let you add them yourself if you felt they were appropriate. Thanks! / /  / . - Ken Thomas (talk) 15:21, 13 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Ken--


 * Excellent! The view from Sal Patch was the shot I originally wanted, but it was too hazy when I was there several months ago.  I added that one as the lead and created a photo gallery for two of the elk photographs.  I'm working on an overhaul of the Great Smoky Mountains article, and if you don't mind, I'll use your other elk photograph there (it'll be in a section on Reintroduction efforts).  If you have any more wildlife photographs from the Smokies, let me know.  Bms4880 (talk) 22:01, 13 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure if I have anything uploaded that's specifically relevant to the Smokies, Brian - for the most part my photographic efforts have been concentrated (so far) on the North Carolina foothills and the high country east of Asheville. But please feel free to look through what I have uploaded (it's all on my Commons User Page) and utilize whatever you feel is appropriate. That's why they're there, after all. ;-) Speaking of photos, if an article you're working on ever needs a shot of anything in particular on this side of the state line, please let me know. I enjoy filling requests when I can. My turnaround time on them will be a bit longer now that bowhunting season has started, but I still need something to do with my Sundays. - Ken Thomas (talk) 23:18, 13 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Hmmm.... I'm working on the Bald Mountains article (presently a stub), and I need any shot of Max Patch or the view north from the summit of Max Patch, the French Broad River in the vicinity of Hot Springs or Marshall, and maybe a shot of Hot Springs itself. For the Plott Balsams, I really need a shot of the Balsam Mountain Inn near Sylva.  No rush on any of these.  Also, if you have a shot of the Bald Mountains, feel free to replace the article's current lede image, which is really just a placeholder until a better image can be found.  Thanks, Ken.  I'm sure I'll have more requests in the future.  Bms4880 (talk) 20:30, 15 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Got it. I'll put those on my to-do list and let you know when I've got something uploaded. - Ken Thomas (talk) 02:56, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Image galleries
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Image_use_policy#Photo_galleries. In general, galleries are no longer used in articles. I can find no good reason for this, but it does mean that when found, they tend to get removed from the page. My suggestion would be to pick a good representative photo to include in the infobox, maybe keeping one more for display below the infobox (if there is room), and move the rest to commons. The commons box used to link to Commons galleries is fairly eye-catching and should direct folks to the other images. I'd be more than happy to help transfer if that is what you decide to do. Alternately, you have the right to revert the addition of the tag, at which point discussion must move to the article talk page, but I kind of think that would be a losing battle. — Huntster (t • @ • c) 07:24, 5 November 2008 (UTC)


 * When did they change the guidelines? Man, I'm not moving images around every time the styleguide editors get creative.  That subsection on photo galleries wasn't there when I started adding image galleries to articles earlier this year.


 * In any case, the Mt. Mitchell images aren't mine, but it's the first time I've seen that tag. My images are already on Commons, so I won't have too much trouble moving galleries I've created.  I'll experiment with it later.  Bms4880 (talk) 19:30, 5 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I wouldn't put too much effort into it, especially if the commons images are already categorised properly. I don't know when the guidelines changed, but I agree...I'm not going to jump every time some small group push through their POV. What you have to consider is that there are vast numbers who do jump, and blindly put into action every change they see others make (perfect example is this recent move to kill off all date autoformatting now now now don't rest till it's done, which has resulted in citation templates losing all cohesion in date formatting). Regardless, if I can do anything, lemme know. — Huntster (t • @ • c) 21:34, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Black Mountains
Well Brian, I gave it a shot today, but the Black Mountains are proving to be a pretty elusive photo subject. Photo 1 / Photo 2. That's the peak of Mount Mitchell peeking out on the left in the second photo, and both of the images are interesting in their own way - but not really what I was after for a lead image. I'll go back and try again when the weather cooperates. - Ken Thomas (talk) 06:07, 17 November 2008 (UTC)


 * What a cloud cover. I feel for anyone camping at Deep Gap this weekend.  Those are good angles if the weather cooperates.  It looks like the blackish spruce forest will contrast well with the brownish deciduous forest.  That'll explain the name of the range.  Bms4880 (talk) 22:59, 17 November 2008 (UTC)