User talk:BrineStans/Archives - 2009

Re: Wikiproject
Anyone can make a WikiProject as far as I'm aware...just base it off another or create from scratch. I would, however, suggest that you get a few other people to join in, so there is evidence of demand/interest...projects with only one or two people tend to find themselves at Miscellaneous for Deletion. — Huntster (t • @ • c) 01:31, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Doakes (rhymes with jokes)
Hi. I responded to your question on my talk page. --Orlady (talk) 00:43, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

What is it about Norris Dam that you now believe to be wrong? FWIW, the tailwaters are still considered to be part of Melton Hill Reservoir. (However, regarding the comments in that article about the dates of pre-Norris dams operated by TVA, note that Wilson Dam was built before TVA was established.) --Orlady (talk) 01:12, 12 January 2009 (UTC)


 * You're correct. I glanced at the Melton Hill page and saw the part about the lake being navigable for 38 miles, and confused that with being the end of the reservoir (also, the topo map stops alternating "Melton Hill Lake" and "Clinch River" around this point), but now I see the first paragraph mentioning that it extends all the way to Norris.  Regarding the comments about pre-TVA dams, I'm assuming the editor who added that had TEPCo's Great Falls Dam (completed in 1917) in mind, but yes, Wilson also preceded TVA (the oldest, I think, was Hales Bar Dam, also acquired from TEPCo, but it's no longer in operation).  Bms4880 (talk) 01:40, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Ocoee Dam No. 3
I was patrolling new pages and came across it. Excellent job! §FreeRangeFrog 02:47, 24 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I appreciate the feedback! Bms4880 (talk) 02:57, 24 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Amazing! This article just popped out of nowhere, fully fleshed out. I was planning to start an article about the Ocoee Whitewater Center, but you may know more about it than I can find out.  (I am hoping to have a series of articles about each of the artificial whitewater courses.  See: Dickerson Whitewater Course.)
 * Question: After the problems with the most recent sluce gate release at Dam #3, will they ever be able to send water into the Olympic course again?
 * HowardMorland (talk) 18:24, 29 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I was planning to add the following paragraph to the Capacity section, but I will post it here in the meantime. The information comes from your included drawing, the news article, and a telephone interview with MBDelong at the TVA.
 * Recreational water releases are taken from near the bottom of the lake and enter the river through two 5 ft by 7 ft sluce gates which discharge 1,560 cubic feet per second. The January 2009 flood-control release through those gates carried sludge which indicates the lake-bottom has silted up to the intake level (see below).  Future recreational releases have been cancelled pending a study of the situation.HowardMorland (talk) 19:09, 29 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the information. I've added the sluice gate capacity and dimensions to the capacity section, but since the article is about the dam, rather than the spill, I would prefer to keep spill info. isolated to the spill section.  Hold off on adding anything regarding the cause of the spill and future plans regarding the Olympics whitewater stretch until there is an official news release.  This news report seems to imply the cause of the spill was due to lack of coordination between Blue Ridge Dam and Ocoee No. 3.


 * Sediment build-up on the Ocoee has been an issue for a long time. When TVA purchased Ocoee 1 and 2 in 1939, they both already had sediment issues, and Ocoee No. 3 was designed with this in mind.  The sluice gates aren't the dam's only means of release, TVA simply prefers them because they are automated, whereas the main gates require an onsite crew.  So, I'm sure this stretch will be open again at some point, maybe not this year, depending on how long it takes to clean up the area.  Bms4880 (talk) 21:01, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Hiwassee Dam, Chatuge Dam & Nottely Dam

 * You're welcome, Bms4880. Your good work deserves the spotlight on MainPage.  Please be encouraged to nominate your upcoming articles for DYK.  Happy editing.  Cheers! --PFHLai (talk) 15:12, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Gaither Carlton
Nice article! Thanks for giving links on High Atmosphere and Back Roads to Cold Mountain too. I hope to start one on Dillard Chandler one of these days. --Omarcheeseboro (talk) 21:33, 25 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I wish I had more source material to make a more substantial article.  If you need any help with source material on Chandler, let me know, and I'll check my usual places.  Bms4880 (talk) 21:45, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Gaither Carlton
Nice work on the Gaither Carlton entry! Airproofing (talk) 22:21, 25 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks, be sure to expand it if you have extra source information. Bms4880 (talk) 22:43, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Appalachia WikiProject
Heya, thanks for the invite. I'm a bit allergic to actually joining WikiProjects (for some reason), so I haven't added my name or anything. But I've watchlisted it and will follow it, and maybe help if I can! Just wanted to let you know my non-reaction was about. Maybe I am shy. Pfly (talk) 08:06, 7 March 2009 (UTC)


 * No problem. If you see any Appalachia-related articles, be sure to post our template on their discussion pages.  Also, if you know of any such articles needing attention, post them to our list on the project page.  Bms4880 (talk) 00:12, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Appalachian music
On Monday, March 9, 2009, I created the article Appalachian music after reading the WikiProject Appalachia page. Someone attempted to restore the redirect to Old-time music, telling me that there was very little information. I undid that edit. However, they were correct regarding the amount of information in the article. Thus, I have a proposal: if we can, we can work together to improve and expand the Appalachian music article. If you know anyone who can help out with the article, please let them know. If you are interested in assisting, have questions, want to talk, etc., feel free to put something on my talk page.

Your assistance is greatly appreciated. TTS51207 (talk) 15:44, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

So the redirect can be in place while we edit the article? I wasn't aware of that and would have left it if I'd known. I myself own the Encyclopedia of Appalachia (a great book) and I will look at that. Thank you for your response! We'll have a good article here soon. TTS51207 (talk) 18:56, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your edits to Appalachian music. We're getting the makings of a great article! TTS51207 (talk) 22:57, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

You're doing a heck of a job on the Appalachian music article! I'm learning from it now. Thanks for taking this project and running with it! Lots of good references make it very credible as well. TTS51207 (talk) 19:05, 11 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Just read the entire article. Fantastic job! A broad topic like this is difficult to present in a structured article, but you did great work.


 * I added an image I took a few years ago of a sign in Hot Springs regarding Cecil Sharp.


 * Also- minor, but in the lead, I think the Carter Family is better placed in the first group (early recorded), or the second (influences that became popular in the 50s + 60s).. though they certainly could be in all 3 groups.


 * --Omarcheeseboro (talk) 18:02, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Cohen's liner notes in Dark Holler: Old Love Songs and Ballads
Hey, I only got to to look at your Appalachian Music article for a minute, but it looks really good. Also, here's a thesis (word doc) that I found in a search result on the forthcoming Madison Co. music documentary 1.

Here's some John Cohen liner notes, as requested. I'm not sure how much can really be incorporated in an article, but it's still rather interesting.

I know you mentioned something about the name Chandler coming up in Sharp's research..It's interesting to see Shelton here.. I'm sure you know about the gravestones right on the AT

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Madison County singler Berzilla Wallin (1892-1986) remembered Sharp's visit to Big Laurel. Sharp, an Englishman looking for survivals of English folksongs in the Southern Appalachians, collected more than 38 tunes at Big Lauren between 14 and 18 August 1916. People from the area who seen his book looked on it with a sense of pride; they liked to recognize the names of relatives who were Sharp's informants.

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Peter and Polly Gatt, with whom I worked to produce the 1964 Folkways LP Old Love Songs & Ballads (FW 2309), had introduced me to the singers of Madison County. That album featured six artists from the area that account for 12 of the 26 tracks on this album. The Gotts has moved into the Shelton Laurel region of North Carolina in 1962. Interested in old-time banjo playing, Peter met Lee Wallin, who was 70 years old at that time. Lee introduced him to the ballad singers in his extended family, whom was subsequently recorded. Most of the singers of this CD are cousins, with shared family ties. These include Lee's wife, Berzilla, her sister Dellie Norton; Delli's cousin Dillard Chander; and Lee's brother Cas Wallin (1903-1992).

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Lee Wallin, 75, lives way back in a holler over a rough rocky road, in a pole cabin. He is a favorite at local "frolics" and box suppers, and likes to frail the banjo and dance a jig whenever there is an opportunity. LIke nearly all mountain farmers, he reaises what food his family eats and his only income is from a small crop of tobacco.

Berzilla Wallin, Lee's wife is the mother of 12 children and at 70 still fires up the wood stove every day to fix a good meal of cornbread and soup beans. She likes to pick a "banjer" and is full of songs and stories that she has heard from her grandparents and parents since she was a little girl. (Her son Doug is a fine ballad singer).

Cas Wallin lives in a litlte farm on Chandler Cove on Big Laurel. As leads the hymns in the local Church of God, but is equally ready to sing a good old ballad or blow a tune on the mouth harp when the preacher is out of earshot. He and Lee are brothers.

Dellie Norton - sister of Berzilla, and a cousin of Dillard's. She lives at the end of a holler above Sodom, and welcomes a steady stream of people to share the music at her place. She had a big garden, and other things up in the hills, along with a row of cherry trees from which she made good brandy. She became the inspiration for Sheila Kay Adams' singing style. (Dellie's brother Lloyd Chandler was also a powerful ballad singer and preacher from this community.

...

In 1963, Berzilla Wallin told me: "Well, I'm getting pretty old. I'll soon be 74, and I see the old time all a-dying away and all the old songs, which makes me sad. I'd like to see them go on, and the young rising generation pick 'em up so they wouldn't die out. That's what I got to say about old songs." Lee Wallin expressed a similar sentiment: "The old songs has mighty good meaning to them.. That makes me think back when I was a young man, away back again when I had such good times, but they passed by and gone, and I like to hear 'em remember things again by. It makes me think when I used to go out, an I could get the girls, just about any of them I wanted to. All like that brings it back to me".

--Omarcheeseboro (talk) 01:15, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Bledsoe's Station rating
Hello Bms4880,

How is life treating you? Yes, you are absolutely right, the article is easily of B-class quality. I went through some of the start class articles and kicked them up a notch (only if they deserved it in my opinion, of course). This one needed to be kicked up two notches and I missed it. ;-) Funny, at first I was opposed to the new C-class because it did not seem to make too much sense then. But it turns out that it is quite useful after all to fill the gap between start and B class. Take care, doxTxob \ talk 22:42, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

James Polk
Hi, I have gone through the early life of Polk on his article. I have added information mostly from two sources. Would there be any information in your sources on his early life or early political career that you could add?-Kieran4 (talk) 20:58, 14 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I'll look for a few things tomorrow (Sunday) night. Bms4880 (talk) 21:48, 14 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I've been a bit busy lately so I haven't been able to work on it as much as I would like but I am moving section by section, so I'll move onto the rest of his early political career next, and anything you can add would be very helpful.-Kieran4 (talk) 19:26, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Hornets (your message on my talk page)
Indeed... I think I probably stepped into more than one hornets' nest, and at least one of those nests is occupied by some hornets that "ain't quite right in the head". --Orlady (talk) 21:18, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for your work
I just like to take some time to express my appreciation for your articles on the hiking areas down south. I've had some excellent vacations there, and your contributions to Roan Highlands, Black Mountains and Mount Sterling is Wikipedia at its finest. Not only do I get to relive my memories, but learn plenty of interesting information about the area too.

Curious - have you read Cataloochee by Wayne Caldwell? That is one area I didn't get to see, but reading the book made it sound pretty interesting. Caldwell is not exactly Charles Frazier though.

Oh, and assuming you like to hike those areas, if you haven't done the Art Loeb Trail, I highly recommend it. Here is my photoset --Omarcheeseboro (talk) 22:10, 14 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the feedback, Omar. I do enjoy writing articles about the mountains.  When I wrote the Cataloochee article, I primarily used books by Hattie Caldwell Davis and Mark Hannah.  Cataloochee is kind of like Cades Cove, but the structures are more early-20th century than pioneer.  I think  I had to drive 10 miles along a gravel road up and over a steep ridge just to get to it.  I haven't been to the Art Loeb Trail in a long time, but I'll probably return to it on my next excursion to the Blue Ridge Parkway.  We'll need to expand the Great Balsam Mountains article at some point.  Bms4880 (talk) 18:47, 15 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeah, the Wayne Caldwell novel is fiction. It spans a few generations.   It was a good book, but kind of frustating. At times it showed a lot of potential, but it just never came together.   Your article provided some great background info on the area.--Omarcheeseboro (talk) 02:30, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

G. B. Grayson and Henry Whitter
Thanks for your work on the Kingston Trio album pages. I posted this on the discussion page for The Kingston Trio: The Guard Years: How could G. B. Grayson and Henry Whitter perform with the KT when they died in 1930 and 1941 respectively? Something doesn't add up here. Any thoughts? Thanks! Airproofing (talk) 21:48, 16 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Replied on the article's talk page. Bms4880 (talk) 13:19, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

G. B. Grayson
Thanks for the great article. Nice work! --Popiloll (talk) 06:23, 17 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the feedback! Bms4880 (talk) 13:19, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Richland Balsam
Sir, I just created the article Richland Balsam, as per a recommendation on the WikiProject Appalachia homepage. I was wondering if you might have any photographs or information to add to the article. If you do, let me know on my talk page and, of course, add them to the article. By the way, you've really done a great job expanding the Appalachian music article. I've learned a lot myself!

TTS51207 (talk) 16:14, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

The article looks great! Thanks. TTS51207 (talk) 00:26, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Burgess Falls Photos
Hi Brian,

I uploaded some pictures of Burgess Falls to commons - here and here. I only added the 2nd one to the Burgess falls article, since one of them is almost identical to yours. Since you're familiar with area maybe you can add a caption of my pic to the Burgess Falls article? Thanks! --Ichabod (talk) 00:32, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Whoops. I see that there was already some talk on the discussion page about whether or not more images are needed.  That being the case if you want to streamline the article by removing mine, feel free to do so.  I've fine with whatever the consensus says.  --Ichabod (talk) 03:05, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

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Cades Cove Historic District
The website to which you refer (and more importantly, the official database upon which it is based) lists a historic district within Cades Cove. It's only certain buildings within Cades Cove, not the entire area. More information is available at its original NRHP nomination form. Nyttend (talk) 23:32, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * The NRHP doesn't provide specific lists (we at the NRHP project really wish that they did!), but you can go to http://www.nr.nps.gov or http://nrhp.focus.nps.gov/natreghome.do?searchtype=natreghome and put in basic search terms, and it should give you the data you want. Not the entire cove is listed: some buildings are, but others aren't, and the open fields definitely aren't.  For example, unless it's an old structure that's been converted, the Park Service visitor center isn't included.  Nyttend (talk) 13:52, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I should note, by the way, that the nomination form is key: any area or building not specifically nominated isn't included. Others could be added later through a boundary increase, but as no increase has been made, areas not originally nominated still aren't included.  Right now, only 23 buildings and 9 other structures, along with all the area above 2,000 feet in altitude (see this page), are listed.  Nyttend (talk) 13:54, 4 June 2009 (UTC)


 * How do you imply from that page that it's the area above 2000ft and not the area below 2000ft? Bms4880 (talk) 15:34, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Socks
Good work tracking down the Y2Kfreak socks. That was a very disruptive user.  Will Beback   talk    05:59, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Norris
Hi. If you're not otherwise occupied, please take a look at Talk:Norris, Tennessee and the new article Norris District. You likely can contribute useful insights. --Orlady (talk) 18:45, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Noah Ogle Place
I've nominated Noah Ogle Place for DYK, but I'm having a hard time coming up with a good hook. Would you please try to compose a better hook than I've suggested? Nyttend (talk) 01:14, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

request
Hi, I wonder if you would be willing to share a copy of the Norris District NRHP application document? Do you have it in electronic form, or if not could you scan it? doncram (talk) 21:45, 25 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Doncram, if I thought for a minute you were interested in progressing this article, I would send you a copy. But it's clear you're only interested in this document to further your squabble with Orlady, and I have no desire to help you in that regard.  Bms4880 (talk) 22:14, 25 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Actually I think your sharing this source would be constructive. I have previously shared one or more big documents to Orlady in a completely different matter, by the way, and I believe it was helpful then, so that we could both see what the source said.  I can't make you go out of your way to help here, obviously.  Thank you for replying to my request, anyhow. doncram (talk) 22:42, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Area errors in NRIS
Just wanted to let you know — if I understand your comments at Talk:Norris, Tennessee correctly, you believe that the NRIS includes 10× area errors for Tennessee. Rather than being an NRIS error, it's an error at nationalregisterofhistoricplaces.com. If you download the NRIS database in Microsoft Access format (here), you'll see that the figures are correct in size, and 10× smaller than the erroneous ones from nrohp.com. Nyttend (talk) 02:08, 26 August 2009 (UTC)


 * As I've noted in comments to Nyttend elsewhere, this matter was resolved back in July. It's not clear to me why the comments look "new" to him. --Orlady (talk) 03:45, 26 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Noted. Bms4880 (talk) 14:28, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Sharp's Ridge Additions
Thanks for adding the pictures to the Sharp's Ridge article I wrote. I have pictures of all the towers mentioned in the antenna farm and who they belong to, but have not yet mastered the ability to upload them to Wiki.Csneed (talk) 15:12, 17 September 2009 (UTC)


 * No problem. I'll try to find some source citations for this article shortly.  Bms4880 (talk) 19:22, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Wheatlands (Sevierville, Tennessee)
This looks sweet. Good work. - Denimadept (talk) 21:24, 25 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks. You read fast, btw.  Bms4880 (talk) 21:26, 25 September 2009 (UTC)


 * It was good reading. - Denimadept (talk) 22:23, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

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Alexander Arthur
I don't have a comprehensive source on him, but I think his name should be redlinked to help remind us and others that this is a topic that needs an article. --Orlady (talk) 16:01, 8 December 2009 (UTC)


 * I have one quibble regarding your new article (and related edits). Plenty of online sources indicate that the town of Cumberland Gap, Tennessee was settled before Arthur got there (indeed, before he was born). See this article from Border States: Journal of the Kentucky-Tennessee American Studies Association, No. 11 (1997), this page from the Campbell County GenWeb site, based on information from the author of the Border States article, this history page on the town government website, and this page from a Claiborne County genealogy site. None of these provides an authoritative basis for writing the history of the town, but it's pretty clear that Arthur didn't found it. --Orlady (talk) 16:59, 14 December 2009 (UTC)


 * In her East Tennessee Backroads book, Sakowski wrote "Arthur's company built the town of Cumberland Gap, Tennessee" to house workers who were building the railroad tunnel. It's clear from the above that "built" is incorrect, however.  I'll modify the article.  Bms4880 (talk) 18:42, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Autoreviewer
Hi, after reading one of your articles at newpage patrol, I was surprised to see that an editor who has contributed as well as you have for such a long time hadn't already been approved as an wp:Autoreviewer. So I've taken the liberty of rectifying that.  Ϣere Spiel  Chequers  09:23, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Bussell Island

 * Congratulations--what a great little article! I enjoyed reading it. Thanks for your hard work, Drmies (talk) 17:09, 14 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I was fortunate to find a 1922 copy of Harrington's book and its gold mine of public domain images in our library.  Bms4880 (talk) 21:50, 14 December 2009 (UTC)