User talk:BrineStans/Archives - 2010

Vardy
Hi. Happy new year! This is just to let you know that I nominated your new article for DYK. You might have different ideas for a hook... --Orlady (talk) 23:02, 2 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Not surprisingly, the new article didn't get a huge number of page views at DYK (only 500-some), but the hook brought 7,700 sets of eyes to Melungeon! --Orlady (talk) 03:50, 14 January 2010 (UTC)


 * That would be the wording of the DYK. Even if the reader is happy never knowing anything about "Vardy Community School," he won't be able to bear not knowing the definition of "Melungeon" and why being Melungeon would have drawn discrimination in 19th-century Tennessee.  Bms4880 (talk) 16:20, 14 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Yep. I fully expected the result, but I also figured that the Melungeon article might benefit from some impartial attention. ;-) --Orlady (talk) 16:25, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Gillian Welch
Hello, how's it going? You previously helped an article I created on Dillard Chandler. I know you have an interest in Appalachian music - I'm working on a major revamp of Gillian Welch's article. Hope that you may have some interest in her and a chance to look it over. If not, no problem. My draft is here, still have a little bit to finish before I move it to the mainspace:

User:Omarcheeseboro/Gillian_Welch

I'm aiming for an eventual wp:FA. Thanks!

--Omarcheeseboro (talk) 19:25, 14 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the updates, I liked what you did. FYI I moved it to the namespace.  --Omarcheeseboro (talk) 07:23, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Center Hill Lake
Hi. This is my first time trying to add content to Wikipedia so some advice would be great. I added a link on the Center Hill Lake page for "Center Hill Recreation" which was deleted for spam. I looked at the Center Hill Info and Guide Service link that is also on the page and it is very comparable to the link I added. It takes you to a Trophy Fishing web-site that offers fishing packages. The link I created has a ton of very useful information within the site. For example, under lake info, it list every marina on Center Hill Lake with address, phone number, and web-site. It also covers many rules and guidelines for the lake. If you do not like the homepage being the landing source for the link, perhaps the following page would be a better option? http://www.waverunnerrentals.com/cms/index.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=9

Thank you! Jaxzian (talk) 18:44, 15 January 2010 (UTC)jax


 * I deleted the trophy fishing link, which was clearly spam in disguise. Wikipedia normally doesn't allow external links unless they add significantly to the article.  This is especially so for commercial links, since it gives cause for every business with an interest in the article's subject to add a link to their own business.  Also, keep in mind, Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a guide, so even if information is useful, it may not be encyclopedic.


 * See Wikipedia's policies on External links for more info. Bms4880 (talk) 19:26, 15 January 2010 (UTC)


 * It was not my intent to have the other link deleted... Thank you for the clarification and the response.

Bethel Church
I replied on my talk page. --Orlady (talk) 16:18, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Burgess Falls Dam
Have to say — I really like the new almost-water-level photo of the dam. Thanks for bringing the Putnam County list up to fully-illustrated status! Nyttend (talk) 02:29, 29 January 2010 (UTC)


 * No problem. I live about 15 minutes from the dam, so I thought it a pity that that was the one image the list lacked.  Bms4880 (talk) 16:26, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Fort Blount-Williamsburg Site
Looking at the image description, I noticed your thanks to the local who showed you where to find the site. Can you confirm that the coords currently on the list (36.31556°N, -85.74917°W) are correct? Thanks! Nyttend (talk) 16:17, 2 February 2010 (UTC)


 * The fort was on the other side of the road (I confirmed his location using the archaeological report in our library). The excavations determined the fort to have been just outside the 125 acres covered by the 1974 listing, and the archaeologists suggested the site be expanded to 350 acres, but I'm not sure if there was a boundary increase.  I'm going to write an article for this fort, so I'll mention the confusion.  Bms4880 (talk) 18:30, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
 * And nice to see another fully illustrated county. Rejoice that you can see the grass everywhere — I could see the grass in some of my yard today, but something left several feet of snow in other parts, and I spent most of my day digging instead of photography :-)  Nyttend (talk) 02:14, 7 February 2010 (UTC)


 * And to think I was annoyed by having to spend 10 minutes scraping snow and ice from my car last weekend. I was actually hoping to some snow in Alpine, figuring snowy images would be a better fit for something named "Alpine."  Bms4880 (talk) 01:06, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm just glad I'm not on the East Coast; the five inches we got here last night are far better than the feet that fell on DC and made the local officials decide to keep the snowplows in the garage for their safety :-) Have you considered filing for a rename for File:Samuel-cleage-house-tn1.jpg?  Uploader's request is one of several valid reasons for speedy renaming in Commons policy.  Nyttend (talk) 04:25, 11 February 2010 (UTC)


 * That building is one of Cleage's houses. The historical commission marker on its wall calls it "one of the houses" built by Cleage.   I made clarifications in the photo descriptions.  Bms4880 (talk) 14:29, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks
Thank you for your work in resolving the edit war between Doncram and Orlady. I'm working on some form of RFC concerning the situation of the past six months and (assuming I can boil it down to a reasonable summary) would appreciate your input. Many of the specific issues are gradually being worked out constructively, but occasional outbreaks of reverting still happen every few weeks, and AN3 isn't a good venue for airing the general state of affairs. Suggestions are welcome.  Acroterion  (talk)  15:29, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I have opened a request for comment at Requests for comment/Doncram. While the RFC is named for him alone, the behavior of Polaron and Orlady should also be considered as well.  I would encourage you to participate in a civil manner in this discussion, in hopes of finding a reasonable resolution.  --Elkman (Elkspeak) 23:07, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Barnstar for Briceville Community Church
I would suggest some further improvements, though:


 * Consider using infobox religious building, maybe, since it still seems to have some religious use. That would allow you to show off the picture (normally I dislike pictures of churches from the rear, but this time it was a good choice as it allowed you to show the cemetery (part of the listing, and again good choice in not including "... and Cemetery" in the article title, since it's not part of the church's official name) and captures that tucked-away Appalachian feel. Since you have that whole design section, there should be some information you can put in that infobox from it, and it has some of the best support for NRHP info of any non-NRHP infobox.
 * See if you can make the Ault monument cutline shorter. I think most of that information about the farewell message could stay in the text or be shortened; there's really no need for cutlines that make the image box almost twice as high as the image. Remember the picture shows most of the story; you should only need to tell the reader what it's a picture of.
 * In that vein, we could then move it down a graf so we have better alternating image placement (easier on the eyes and conducive to reading, since it echoes the sweep of our eyes across the page) and follow by moving that picture of the tower to the left as well.
 * I added the year of architecture cat for you. I think there might be some categories under Gothic revival architecture that would be applicable as well.

Overall, really solid job! If you're willing to break down the references to the nom document, I think you have a good shot at a GA here (I do recommend going through peer review first, though). Daniel Case (talk) 17:37, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Saw the changes ... looks better! Daniel Case (talk) 21:23, 17 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Daniel -


 * Thanks for the review and suggestions! I initially pondered using the religious buildings infobox, but decided it was overkill for a little church like this one, and the church is more notable for its social history than as a religious structure (and I've never been a big fan of more than one infobox).  I trimmed the Ault cutline and realigned the images-- the cutline is still three lines on my computer, but I felt the need to "justify" using this image over all the other burials in the cemetery without having the reader peruse the text.  I replaced the tower image with an image of the facade to show all Gothic Revival elements.  I pondered three different images for the lede, and chose the current one because it shows the cemetery and more of the context, and projects the ghostly-white glow the church emits in overcast light.  I had difficulty photographing the facade, even with my camera's wide-angle setting, due to the limited space in front of the church and the odd angle of the towers.  Bms4880 (talk) 21:51, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

NRHP in TN
Nyttend (talk) 04:08, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

The old WNOX studios
Yes, indeed I do know where the old WNOX studios were. On Whittle Springs Road, just off North Broadway in Knoxville (I can't remember if the building is on the corner of Whittle Springs and either Whiteoak Lane or Valley View Drive. As you go south on Whittle Springs from Mineral Springs, look for a plain brick building on the left, with a custom-built front and a big front yard.

That is the old WNOX building. You really can't miss it.

Scripps-Howard built and moved into that building from downtown back in the 1950's, when it was one of the applicants for the Channel 10 frequency. They built it specifically to house a TV station (3 separate studios inside) and also the WNOX AM and FM radio stations. At the time, Scripps-Howard already owned a radio-TV station combination in Memphis (WMC-AM-FM-TV), TV only's in Cleveland (WEWS-TV), West Palm Beach (WPTV), and Tulsa (KTEW-TV), plus newspapers in those cities, including the Knoxville News-Sentinel and WNOX AM-FM. They really wanted the Channel 10 frequency very badly, and thought so much that they would get it, that they built that building on Whittle Springs to be ready for it.

But the locally-owned (at the time) WATE-TV and WTSK-TV (later WTVK-TV) managements raised such a ruckus to the FCC about the possible newspaper-broadcasting cross-ownership monopoly (at the time, there weren't but a few radio stations), and Scripps-Howard would own a sizeable chunk of the Knoxville listening audience, that the FCC instead, granted the Channel 10 TV license to Jay Birdwell, local owner of WBIR-AM & FM (Birdwell had already helped Hanes Lancaster put WJHL-TV, Channel 11 in Johnson City on the air 3 years earlier).

It would be one of two times that WATE-TV would stick a finger in the eye of WBIR-TV.. the second time in 1963, when WBIR sought to put its TV antenna and tower on House Mountain, Knox County (see House Mountain Knox County, Tennessee). I documented information and wrote that article, too.

Meanwhile in 1956, Scripps-Howard was stuck with a brand new television broadcast building, and no TV station to put in it. After they sold the FM station, WNOX-AM stayed there for years. Can't remember exactly when it moved out...I imagine, when Citadel purchased it.

I know way too much about East Tennessee broadcasting.. I really need to get a life.

Hope this information helps!

Older WNOX
I had to stop and really think about WNOX before Whittle Springs. As I mentioned, they moved from downtown into that building in 1955. I'll check with some of the ole timers I know.. I'm pretty sure WNOX was on the first floor of the Andrew Johnson in the lobby (sales on the second floor), because I know many of their live programs originated there.. the country music shows, the cooking demonstrations, the morning talk shows, etc.

I'll also ask about WIVK, because seems like I remember hearing that they were alongside WATE-TV on Gay Street. Channel 6's first studio was in the white-columned building halfway between Church and Clinch Streets, and I think WIVK was near there, too. I'll check.

Several of our old retired engineers played in bands that performed live on WNOX back in the 40's..not so much on WIVK.

Welcome
J654567 (talk) 20:48, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for the heads-up about the Wikiproject discussion. :-) --Orlady (talk) 14:37, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

AJ Pictures
I'll check to see if I have any. I used to years ago, but I have them packed away somewhere. Archie Campbell loaned me several of his Lowell Blanchard Show appearance pictures and I copied them for a story I did on him. I'll have to look for them. I have had problems posting pictures to Wiki Commons, so I'll hit you back. Csneed (talk) 01:26, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Appalachian English
If you're interested, I've just made a page on Facebook for those interested in Appalachian English, including a proposal for a new spelling system to better fit our speech. Its link is here. —ᚹᚩᛞᛖᚾᚻᛖᛚᛗ ( ᚷᛖᛋᛈᚱᛖᚳ ) 05:11, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Andrew Johnson Building
I've reviewed the nomination at T:TDYK, and all is good except for the citations — without page numbers for the NR nomination form, it can't properly be verified. Could you add those page numbers? If you would like to continue using the ref name feature, you can use rp after the references to add page numbers; see Mummy Cave for an example of how this template is used. Nyttend (talk) 12:38, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
 * By the way, when you've added page numbers, please leave a note at my talk so that I can re-review the article for DYK. Nyttend (talk) 12:38, 1 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Page numbers for an NRHP nomination form?? You've GOT to be kidding.  Bms4880 (talk) 13:50, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks much! And no, I wasn't kidding; WP:V requires page numbers when appropriate, and style guides say that's appropriate to cite page numbers when possible.  Anyway, many NR nomination forms are far longer; for a quick example, the form for the James Beach Clow House in Pennsylvania is 14 pages long.  Nyttend (talk) 14:57, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Andrew Johnson Building
 — Rlevse • Talk  • 12:01, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Nice job getting the lead image! Nyttend (talk) 01:27, 5 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks. The old brick contrasted perfectly with the two modern skyscrapers in the background.  Bms4880 (talk) 01:39, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Re:Neighborhoods of Knoxville
I got your message. I also looked at the reference you gave me and it does not seem to be as accurate on this. For Halls, lets put this in the Neighborhoods in Knoxville, Tennessee, but keep the other link up articles as a references. Any issues? Chris (talk) 14:32, 8 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Moved discussion to Template_talk:Knoxneighborhoods. Bms4880 (talk) 15:27, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Knoxville vs. Knox metro
The situation used to much worse... (For example, back when the "People from Knoxville" list and category included just about anybody from East Tennessee -- and was DEFINED that way.)

If I had my druthers, the "nearby communities" list in the Knoxville article would be deep-sixed and replaced by a brief discussion of Knoxville's relationship to the metro area -- with a template linking to that article (which could be beefed up).

Also, the economy section of the Knoxville article is rather geographically expansive in what it treats as Knoxville. For example, most of those Forbes magazine rankings are for the metro area (not just the city), and Weigel's is headquartered in Powell... I think that the metro area article would be a logical place for a good discussion of the entire regional economy.

And under Sports, consider the fact that the Tennessee Smokies aren't really in Knoxville any more... --Orlady (talk) 21:28, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

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DYK for Mechanics' Bank and Trust Company Building
 — Rlevse • Talk  • 06:02, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Joseph Alexander Mabry, Jr.
 — Rlevse • Talk  • 12:04, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

Pictures of South Knoxville
FYI. As I promised to do back in June, I went up to Knoxville for the reunion yesterday. They can be found in the following articles shown below:

Enjoy. Chris (talk) 21:34, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
 * SS Sultana
 * South-Doyle High School
 * South Knoxville.


 * Nice job. We'll see if we can get some text into the South Knoxville article.  I'll probably be photographing its historic sites and Island Home Park this coming Saturday.  Bms4880 (talk) 21:43, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

DYK for J. G. M. Ramsey
-- Cirt (talk) 00:03, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Good job! Chris (talk) 01:08, 11 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I had been meaning to create this article for some time.  Bms4880 (talk) 13:31, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

omission
I thought i should run this by you before making any changes. In the lines below your foto of the cabin, did you mean to say after his death? It looks like you omitted a word.

You've done a lot of wonderful work. When you deleted my apostrophe's on Clingman's Dome, I decided to see who you are. I think the park service and other agencies often take the easy way and eliminate punctuation because it simplifies their signage. In the process we become culturally poorer. 'Course i'm no scholar, certainly not a historian, not even much of an editor. I haven't the sources to support what is basicly an emotional response. I have to bow to your expertise.

I loved the chicken door, by the way, to allow them to elude predators. That's the kind of detail that makes history fascinating.

I share an ancestor w/ a lady online doing genealogy research who is a McCarter descendant. I'll make sure she's seen your article on Jacob.

You keep up the good work. If you want to revert a few of my edits, have at it. I don't know from Barnstars, but you deserve some credit. And if you happen to find anything on John Wesley Waters, the common ancestor, give me a holler. Ragityman (talk) 09:52, 24 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Most of your Clingmans Dome edits look good, as the article is in need of work. As an encyclopedia, we typically accept the USGS names of geological features in the United States.  It's not really Wikipedia's purpose to undo the federal government's uglying of the language.


 * In regards to a missing word, I couldn't tell if you were referring to the Walker cabin article, the McCarter Place article, or the Ogle cabin article. If you see a missing word, then add it.  You don't have to run such changes by me simply because I wrote the article.


 * I'm related to most of the pre-park residents of the Tennessee side of the Smokies, either directly or collaterally. If I happen across any information on Waters, I'll pass it along.  Bms4880 (talk) 13:54, 24 August 2010 (UTC)


 * In the Walker article, I added the word "after" in the phrase "...sons completed the chimney he died." I suppose it could have been "before he died," but in the context after seemed to make more sense.  I didnt make  myself clear before.  I wasn't asking permission to edit so much as making  sure I don't  change the meaning.

Ragityman (talk) 11:28, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Gay Street (Knoxville)‎
-- Cirt (talk) 18:03, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

DYK for William Rule (American editor)
 — Rlevse • Talk  • 18:05, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Lindbergh Forest
The DYK project (nominate) 00:05, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Tennessee marble
Tennessee marble is produced from quarrying of the Holston Formation. That's why the current Holston Formation article is the way it is, and why the redirect exists -- and it likely is why the Holston is one of the few geologic units in Tennessee that has an article. --Orlady (talk) 16:08, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Talkback

 * When I was a child, my family and I spent a summer in Northern Ireland. We worshipped at a church whose location is 55.13278°N, -6.47562°W; among its features was a small palmetto.  Apparently the difference between there and similar latitudes here is the Gulf Stream, for it almost never gets down to freezing there.  Nyttend (talk) 15:33, 8 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Not to mention it's at least near the ocean (although I'm sure the north Northern Ireland coast in no way resembles tropical beaches). I've always associated palm trees with the ocean.  Bms4880 (talk) 16:29, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

List of tallest buildings in Knoxville
I don't think Knoxville has enough tall buildings to merit this kind of list... (And I don't know of any good sources to help with the list.) --Orlady (talk) 14:55, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Louisville and Nashville Depot disambiguation
Hi, are you about to create an article for: Louisville and Nashville Freight Depot (Knoxville, Tennessee), currently a redlink, a NRIS-type name which you just removed from the disambiguation page. I notice there are no other pages linking to L&N Freight Depot, Knoxville, Tennessee, currently a redlink, which u just put in, while the Knox County NRHP list-article links to the NRIS-type name. If u want to create the article at a different name, and have documentation for that being a valid name, that's okay, but could you please set up a redirect from this NRIS-type naming to the article? And edit the dab page like i did in this edit which showed why a different one u renamed should still be listed in the dab page. I set up a redirect for it too.

If u'r not starting an article, i'd either like to start one as a stub or restore the NRIS-type naming to the dab. Just trying to comply with wp:MOSDAB, to keep all the links still working, and to allow for possibility that a reader coming from www.nationalregisterofhistoricplaces.com or another source stating the specific NRHP name will be able to find it with confidence. --Doncram (talk) 00:18, 31 December 2010 (UTC)


 * It doesn't have an official name. It was one of the freight depots used by the L&N in its Knoxville railyard.  The passenger station is the "L&N Station," so I used "L&N Freight Depot" for consistency, since they're located next to one another.  I have no plans to start an article for it, so feel free to start a stub, or restore the NRIS name.  Bms4880 (talk) 00:33, 31 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks, okay, restored so shows exactly as in Knox NRHP list-article. This was regarding Louisville and Nashville Depot disambiguation page.  BTW, there's more fixup there needed to bring the whole dab page fully into compliance with current wp:MOSDAB, which i'll plug away at doing.  Mainly to ensure that there is a properly formatted supporting bluelink for each redlink in the page.  The supporting links for the NRHP ones just pointed to List of RHPs in TN and the like, rather than to National Register of Historic Places listings in Knox County, Kentucky which is technically needed, as that exact page shows exactly the same redlink as on the dab, but in meaningful context, supporting it being in the dab.  You can click on a redlink and then "what links here" to find which NRHP list-article applies.  All this just FYI, in case ur not aware of all that, not that u really need to know.  Thanks, bye. --Doncram (talk) 02:13, 31 December 2010 (UTC)