User talk:BrineStans/Archives - 2011

DYK for L&N Station (Knoxville)
Thanks for the wiki-article Victuallers (talk) 05:23, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Brookside Mills
HJ Mitchell &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   12:02, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Clinch Mountain
Good catch on Clinch Mountain.. I was raised in Kingsport, and in all of my life, it's never been referred to as Clinch Mountain Ridge in any geography book, or by the states of Tennessee and Virginia.Csneed (talk) 00:30, 24 January 2011 (UTC)


 * I've never heard it referred to as such either. In any case, the USGS and the Carter Family both call it "Clinch Mountain," so that's good enough for me.  Bms4880 (talk) 14:22, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

TV Tower Heights on Sharp's Ridge, Knoxville
Re: the towers on Sharp's Ridge, Knoxville.. the tower heights can be confusing. The physical heights would put them exactly where you found them on the FCC database, however, that does not figure in, the heights of each tower above average terrain, i.e. at what elevation the tower bases sit on the various points of the ridge. I note they have changed since I originally wrote the article, which included the TV digital conversion right after it happened in 2009---everything is kind of settled down now. When you look at the figures now, which I originally figured from the left column of the registrations (Elevation of Site Above Mean Sea Level):

The Spectrasite tower base itself on the highest point on Sharp's Ridge is sitting 1,393 above sea level (plus the 1,456 foot tower from the base up) The Gannett-Pacific tower base itself is at 1,345 above sea level (plus the 1,504 foot tower from the base up). The Richland Towers Tower Knoxville base itself is at 1,314 feet above sea level (plus the 1,534 foot tower from the base up).

When you figure all of that, the highest towers are both the Spectrasite Tower and the Gannett-Pacific Tower at 2,849 feet above sea level each, followed by the Richland Towers Tower Knoxville at 2,848 feet.

When you look at them, you can see where the tower bases sit along Sharp's Ridge.. the Richland Towers Tower Knoxville is obviously taller because its base is lower than the other two, but its total elevation is just below the other two. On the other hand, the Spectrasite Tower is shorter than the Gannett-Pacific Tower, but its base is higher than the Gannett-Pacific Tower base, which gives the illusion that the Spectrasite Tower is taller. In fact, the Chief Engineer at WATE tells me the Spectrasite Tower is indeed about 20 feet higher than than the Gannett-Pacific tower above the ground because of extra required lighting at the top (which doesn't have to be included in the overall height of the tower, because it is an FAA requirement, not an FCC requirement). That explains why it appears taller...take the lighting apparature off the top of the digital antennas above the analog batwing antenna, and both towers top out at exactly the same raised height).

When I wrote the article, I included the heights of each tower above average terrain (Elevation of Site Above Mean Sea Level}, because average terrain heights are the figures that the FCC uses to determine exactly how much total effective radiated power (ERP) the stations' transmitters can legally put out. It's very technical (I have a first class radio-telephone license from the FCC), but the average reader would look at the figures and say that the Richland Towers Tower Knoxville is the tallest one, which in fact, it's actually the LONGEST one.  It's actually one foot shorter than the other two (and 19 feet shorter than the top of the lighting apparature on the Spectrasite Tower).

Because I have an broadcast engineering background, I welcome a better way to explain it. It makes sense, but the explanation above would take up too much space LOL.Csneed (talk) 04:32, 6 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi Brian, here's a technical answer to your question, but I appreciate you asking. Sharp's Ridge is just to the west of, but within the approach-departure pattern in the direct flight path for McGhee-Tyson Airport, Knoxville's main airport, located in Blount County 15 miles to the southwest.  Sharp's Ridge has a maximum vertical ceiling of 1,550 feet for fixed towers because of that.  The ceiling was established back in 1974, when WATE-TV got permission from the FCC to replace its original 800-foot broadcast tower with a 1,153 foot tower, an approval that immediately raised eyebrows at the FAA because of McGhee-Tyson.  In 1980, WBIR-TV tapped the ceiling with a 1,504 foot tower, and in 2003, WATE-TV built its 1,525 foot tower right alongside it.  WVLT-TV followed with theirs in 2003, and with the digital antenna installations last year, all three towers maxed out at about the same heights, just under the maximum.  As it is right now, planes approach McGhee-Tyson over the towers on Sharp's Ridge, then descend into the landing pattern immediately afterwards.. those taking off, ascend immediately after takeoff, or veer to the left or right immediately after takeoff.  As a former broadcast engineer, I can say that another 25 feet to the exact ceiling would not make a difference in coverage for any of the stations.. it would just be bragging rights to the second tallest man-made structure in Tennessee (the first is the old WBIR-TV tower still standing in East Knox County at 1,751 feet above the ground).Csneed (talk) 02:55, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

DYK for George Washington Harris
Materialscientist (talk) 10:04, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

Medical Arts Building (Knoxville, Tennessee)
In case you haven't noticed already, I nominated this article at DYK. See Template talk:Did you know. A question was raised there about "Celtic script", and I'm curious to know what the source actually said about the script. Can you shed any additional light on the subject? --Orlady (talk) 23:21, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the file. I see that it doesn't shed any light on the subject -- nor does it cite any authorities that would be likely to know more. Maybe it would be best to put "Celtic script" in quotation marks in the article and at DYK.
 * PS - The doorway looks better now -- without the fallout shelter symbol -- than in 1983! --Orlady (talk) 00:58, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Medical Arts Building (Knoxville, Tennessee)
— HJ Mitchell &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   00:22, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Anne W. Armstrong
NW ( Talk ) 00:04, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

Old Town-I noticed you'd edited this article before, opinions?
I noticed your name on the edit history for this article. There has been an argument going on here Old Town (Franklin, Tennessee) for close to a year about how to structure this article, since it is actually 3 separate NHRP sites situated very close to each other. One editor wants to lump them all together under the one name, which has to include the qualifier of the nearest town in parentheses to distinguish it from the other places named Old town(26 others in the US alone). The second editor wants to split them all up under their own articles. After watching them occasionally argue for the last 6 or 8 months? year? I've recently suggested it be moved to Old Town Archeological Site, its official name which is currently a redirect. Since locally it is known as "Old Town", editor number one wants to keep it as is per WP:COMMONNAME. Would you be interested in dropping in your opinions on the matter?


 * Mercy, what a mess. I'm not sure I understand the argument.  I'll have to look over it.  I think the main article should retain the name "Old Town (Franklin, Tennessee)."  Bms4880 (talk) 17:22, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Knoxville Riot of 1919
The DYK project (nominate) 16:03, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

DYK for William F. Yardley
The DYK project (nominate) 12:03, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Charles W. Cansler
The DYK project (nominate) 06:03, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Austin-East High School
The DYK project (nominate) 06:04, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

Flickr


There aren't any problems. There's some sophisticated way to transfer Flickr files, but I've never figured it out, so I do it another way: download the file, write a description like the one I'd give it if it were a photo I've taken, and upload the file. Of course, you need to make sure that you include a link to the Flickr page, a link to the author's Flickr profile, and the Flickrreview template; the second is needed for attribution, and the first and third to enable its license to be confirmed so the image doesn't get deleted if the Flikr uploader changes the license later.

Do you have any information about this house? For example, does it belong at National Register of Historic Places listings in Jefferson County, Iowa? I'd appreciate knowing more so I can flesh out the skeletal file description page. Nyttend (talk) 00:46, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

George Franklin Barber
Hi, I've been interested to see you making notations about the homes designed by Barber. In the case of the Charles T. Holt house in Haw River, N.C., this website correctly says that Holt's house "is one of the best examples of George F. Barber's Queen Anne mail order mansions." I'm just wondering, then, whether it wouldn't be better to say that the homes in question were built based on designs by Barber, since it's likely Barber didn't actually visit many of these homes himself and the homes were simply built along the lines of his mail order designs? In any case, nice to see someone taking an interest in these old homes! Best, MarmadukePercy (talk) 21:09, 3 May 2011 (UTC)


 * He was actually much more involved in the design process than merely providing the pattern in a catalog. A client would write to Barber and select a pattern (or ask for a new design), and Barber, the client, and the builder would be in constant correspondence until the client was satisfied and the house was completed. Barber provided the builder with very specific plans, and occasionally supplied the construction materials.  Bms4880 (talk) 21:24, 3 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Okay, that's interesting about the level of Barber's involvement. I've visited a fair number of the Holt homes, and have added links on here to a few. Thanks for letting me know. MarmadukePercy (talk) 21:41, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

License tagging for File:Barber-mcmurry-logo.jpg
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 * Fixed. Bms4880 (talk) 21:32, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

Eva (archaeological site)
Since you created this article, I wanted to let you know that I've proposed moving it to Eva Site; I'd appreciate your comments on the talk page. Nyttend (talk) 02:17, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

The Mabry, Lusby, and O’Connor Killings, 1881-1882
You may want to read the article that starts on page 11 of this publication. --Orlady (talk) 21:46, 11 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the link. The Courier must have found Jones's blog post (which I was using as the source) and published it as an article.  I went ahead and changed the source to link to this article, since blogs are frowned upon as sources, though I think the blog post and article say the same thing.  Bms4880 (talk) 23:29, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Ah, that explains why the article looked like it was something you must have read at some point. It's nice to see a marginal reference get that kind of credibility. --Orlady (talk) 04:35, 12 August 2011 (UTC)


 * I had seen entries by Jones in the Tennessee Encyclopedia of History and Culture and in the EOA, so I deemed it a credible blog post. I used another Jones blog post as a source for the Rule-Wallace and Rule-West shootings, so maybe that post will get republished in article form.  Bms4880 (talk) 05:02, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Hugh Lawson White
Materialscientist (talk) 00:02, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

DYK for John Williams (Tennessee)
Materialscientist (talk) 20:32, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

DYK for John Randolph Neal, Jr.
Materialscientist (talk) 22:26, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

Barnstar
Thanks. It was a fun article to write. Bms4880 (talk) 13:12, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

Today's paper
I was tickled to see that you found today's Robert Booker column on the 1919 riot -- I thought of you when I read it. Today's paper also had a business-page article about Hackney that's worth a brief mention in the company article here: http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2011/oct/03/hackney-making-major-push-into-furniture/ --Orlady (talk) 00:09, 5 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks for pointing this out. I'll update the Hackney article.  Bms4880 (talk) 13:29, 5 October 2011 (UTC)


 * I found this link: . "“We are excited to enter the marketplace at this time with a comprehensive product line and a wide range of services where H.Home can become more of a partner with our customers rather than a vendor,” stated Bruce Pearl, Vice President of Marketing."  Hilarious.  Bms4880 (talk) 13:40, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

DYK for James Alexander Fowler
Thanks from me for this article and hook Victuallers (talk) 00:04, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Survey for new page patrollers
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NRHP table format
Just checking that you are aware of the discussion at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Register_of_Historic_Places, concerning changing the format of the NRHP county tables. The underlying format may change, but the output in the county lists looks the same! In any case, your input could be useful. Smallbones (talk) 15:24, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

Lloyd Branson obituary
I don't actually know. I got it from the clippings file at McClung Collection. If it had any identifying marks on it related to the particular paper, I didn't note them, and I didn't go back and check the archive full versions. For the purposes I was working on, the fact was important; the exact source was not. (I know -- for Wikipedia use, source is important, but that the confusion on the issue dates even back to his lifetime is an important point, which I didn't feel should be left out. I had a printed, contemporary source in hand; that I couldn't identify exact what the source was did not affect the facts.) Archarin (talk) 14:47, 9 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Ok. I fixed the citation.  Bms4880 (talk) 15:53, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Constant Puyo
The DYK project (nominate) 16:02, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

December 2011 Newsletter for WikiProject United States
--Kumioko (talk) 03:37, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Adolphe Braun
Casliber (talk · contribs) 16:02, 15 December 2011 (UTC)