User talk:BrownHairedGirl/Archive/Archive 076

ANI Notice
There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. RevelationDirect (talk) 03:34, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I think that might be the wrong template. The ANI involves you directly so your input is appreciated. - RevelationDirect (talk) 03:36, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
 * that's the right template. -- Rockstone  Send me a message!  05:23, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I am wondering if there is, perhaps, some middle ground that can be reached on the CFD issues. I will post something there shortly. BD2412  T 18:04, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks, @BD2412.
 * I don't see where there can be middle ground between my assertion of what the guideline WP:SMALLCAT actually says, and those who use cries of incivility as a weapon to try to shut down criticism if their sustained misuse of it.
 * But if you can see a possible way, that would be great.  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 18:17, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I mean with respect to the CFD issue itself. Still working on formulating it. BD2412  T 18:20, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Sorry if I misunderstood. I'll shut up and await what you come up with. Thanks again.  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 18:24, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
 * In the end, I just had to oppose in the CFD. I was thinking that there could be more supercategories within the structure of people of Northern Ireland, but that would be uninviting towards the creation of new articles in these fields. BD2412  T 18:45, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Good point, @BD2412.
 * But it's just not that. There is a WP:SMALLCAT exemption for established series such as fooers-by-natinality.  If that is not applied to Northrn Ireland, then the categories need to be merged to their British and Irish counterparts, as well as to their Northern Irish parents.
 * That creates three problems:
 * Neutrality. Identity is a deeply divisive topic in Northern Ireland, which is why the catgory naming convention is the oddball "Fooers from Northern Ireland". Upmerger results in the articles beig placed in categories labelled "Irish" or "British" In any given case, it is likely that one of those labels will be offensive.
 * Category clutter: these upmergers replace each nominated category with at least three other categories. (e.g. "Male Fooers from Northern Ireland" -> "Fooers from Northern Ireland" + "British Fooers" + "Irish Fooers". In some cases, there are four or even five parent categories. When multiple upmergers happen on one page, te result is horrendous.
 * Awful navigation. The Northern Ireland occupational categories are nearly all built from templates which offer built-in category navigation, so smallness is not a pressing issue. But merger lumps those articles in with slews of other articles in their undiffused parents. That's a real impedient to readers.
 * Sadly, the nominator and their tag team pals are wholy unintersted in any of that. They see only the category's current article count, and flaty refuse to even consider the other issues. I find myself seriously wondering whether here is any point at all in categorising articles when such destruciveness has to be repeatedly challenged.   Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 19:22, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, the neutrality issue is why I ultimately had to oppose the CfD. BD2412  T 19:32, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
 * @BrownHairedGirl, could you expedite the diffs that you said you would show regarding the behaviour of certain editors? The ANI thread seems to be moving towards a conclusion, and I would not want to opine strongly without knowing both sides of the story. Captain Jack Sparrow (talk) 13:27, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks, @CapnJackSp.
 * I will try to do so, but sadly today Laurel Lodged has opened up a new front: see my post starting a new thread at WP:ANI.
 * I am tired from my substantive work on new navboxes (see WT:WikiProject_Ireland), and I expect that this new attack will be another drain on my energies.  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 14:19, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

Wicklow TDs
After doing a few using the visual editor, I was about to get going adding the template to the Wicklow TDs using AWB. I noticed that the program is halfway through another task, but heads up that I'll look after Wicklow later today or tomorrow. Iveagh Gardens (talk) 05:02, 13 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Thanks, @Iveagh Gardens. Watever orks for you.
 * Just one thing, tho. I have been asusmuming that we wwould hold off widespre deloymnt until we had made some decisions on the unresolved issues with Constituency Teachtaí Dála navbox, esp those which you and @ had raised in our v productive discussions at WT:IRELAND.
 * I foolisly never said what I was thinking, and nobody is oliged to mindread, and it's entirely reasonable for anyone to decide it's good enough so far. I am kinda pleased!
 * But there are still only 11 articles with this style of navbox, so I assumed that others were taking a simlar view. As the tenplate coder, I have been tring to create options but not assume that it had the green light.
 * So where do you reckon we are at? Green light all round, green for only some lanes, amber, or difft lanes for difft cases? Or do you reckon Wicklow is a pilot case to see what feedback there is?   Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 05:28, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
 * We might be at amber light for some cases, I can see there are matters still to be resolved or discussed further. Wicklow may be a good test case, because it has just a single table, and we can see from that if there's any feedback. Iveagh Gardens (talk) 08:47, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Fair enough, @Iveagh Gardens.
 * I have ome thoughts on making a set of test cases, which I will post in a new sub-thread at WT:IRELAND, to keep discussion centalised per WP:MULTI.  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 13:20, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

Notification of request for Arbitration
You are involved in a recently filed request for arbitration. Please review the request at Arbitration/Requests/Case and, if you wish to do so, enter your statement and any other material you wish to submit to the Arbitration Committee. As threaded discussion is not permitted on most arbitration pages, please ensure that you make all comments in your own section only. Additionally, the guide to arbitration and the Arbitration Committee's procedures may be of use.

Thanks, RevelationDirect (talk) 21:40, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:American emigrants to Uganda


A tag has been placed on Category:American emigrants to Uganda indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and removing the speedy deletion tag. Liz Read! Talk! 03:52, 16 July 2023 (UTC)


 * @Liz I am surprised that this has suddenly emptied after nearly 6 years.  Is there any way of finding out what happened to make it empty?   Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 04:14, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
 * You can use User:Nardog/CatChangesViewer (in some cases) to find out what pages were removed from a category. In this case Trudy Stevenson was removed from the category by Johnpacklambert for reasons that don't make sense to me. Johnpacklambert also seems to have emptied a number of other subcategories of Category:American emigrants created by other people. The category itself appears to have been a Special:WantedCategories creation, which likely only ever held that one person.  * Pppery * it has begun...  04:25, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks, @Pppery. Yes, it was a Special:WantedCategories creation by me, which is why Liz's Twinkle notified me.
 * And yes, JP's reasons are weirdly self-contradictory.  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 04:32, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

WP:ANI
Not that you can reply to it, but ... There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.. The section is Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents. Black Kite (talk) 13:22, 16 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Thanks, @Black Kite. It is all very odd: Paul August did not even have the courtesy to leave a notice here about the block. That seems hard to reconcile with WP:EXPLAINBLOCK.
 * This block not only prevents me from proceeding with my two active streams of substantive work (see WT:WikiProject Ireland and WT:WikiProject_Ireland); it also prevents me from participating in the ANI thread, and -- crucially -- excludes me from WP:Arbitration/Requests/Case where there is an open request aimed squarely at me. It relates to edits by me which were all more than two weeks ago (some over 4 weeks ago), so there was no urgency ... and using a block in relation to a past issue breaches WP:NOPUNISH.
 * The block in relation to an open WP:Arbitration/Requests/Case request seems to be in effect forcing the hand of the arbitrators by creating a fait accompli. It imposes a sentence before Arbcom has even ruled on whether to take a case, and before the ANI discussion has closed. I am more accustomed to the principle that the trial comes before the imposition of sentence; even in the case of a fixed penalty notice, if the FPN is challenged then collection of the fine is suspended for the duration of any court proceedings.
 * Note that this is not a formal unblock request. I may make one later if I can figure out what on earth is going on.  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 13:56, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I see that while I wrote the reply above, @ finally posted a block notice, more than 80 minutes after the block. It appears that they did so only in response to @Black Kite's thread at ANI.   Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 14:03, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

What is the basis of any such restriction? My active work relates wholly to two uncontroversial and productive collaborations: WT:WikiProject Ireland and WT:WikiProject_Ireland. I have open AWB jobs relating to both. How would it help anyone to stop that? Also, i am not aware of any community sanction or editing restriction that allows me to be selectively barred in this way. -- Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 14:17, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
 * thank you for requesting that @ unblock me. However, I was surprised by your comment that You may impose a restriction on BHG to forbid them from editing elsewhere.
 * PS I note that @@ has posted at Arbitration/Requests/Case to acknowledge that their action locks me out for hours from a case request complaining about me, but still won't lift the block.
 * 48 hours of ongoing discussion without me would prejudice the case.  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 14:27, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
 * please see WT:WikiProject Ireland, where Laurel Lodged (who is a a party to the Arbcom case request) has been engaging for several days in disruptive sniping. As I and two other editors  have noted there, LL is not trying to do anything remotely productive or collaborative; Bastun and I have both explained how LL is wrong on multiple points.
 * How would it help Wikipedia to allow LL's sniping to continue whilst banning me from productive work? In what way would that be just, or helpful to the community?   Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 14:44, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi BHG. In addition to commenting here with a ping to the committee's clerks (@ArbComClerks), you may email the clerk team at with any requests to submit an additional statement. However, note that your request for a word limit extension awaits a response from you by email, which I don't think we've received. Best, KevinL ( aka L235 · t · c) 15:11, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
 * @L235: I emailed '@Barkeep49 about 15 hours ago to request an extension. I had checked my email regularly, but i had received no reply or acknowledgement.
 * I just checked my spam folder, and found it there, so I clicked move to inbox ... and it vanished. Please can you send it again?   Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 15:49, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
 * please can you resend the email?  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 15:53, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Done. Dreamy Jazz talk to me &#124; my contributions 15:56, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
 * @Dreamy Jazz: thank you! Email recd, and not in my spam folder.
 * I have replied to all.  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 16:05, 16 July 2023 (UTC)


 * BrownHairedGirl, I apologize for the delay in notifying you of your block. Unfortunately, there was something that came up that I needed to take care of. I also apologize for any other slow responses (I'm operating under some "disabilities" which makes commenting by me very tedious). Paul August &#9742; 14:42, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
 * @Paul August: I am sorry to hear about your disabilities. I wish you well in overcoming them and/or managing them.
 * But see WP:ADMINACCT: Administrators are expected to respond promptly and civilly to queries about their Wikipedia-related conduct and administrative actions, especially during community discussions on noticeboards or during Arbitration Committee proceedings. Administrators should justify their actions when requested.
 * If you are for whatever reason unable to do admin tasks in accordance with policy, then you should simply refrain from taking them on. I note that your actions have been roundly denounced at ANI, so you seem to have made poor decisions both about whether to become involved at all when you are sadly constrained and about your choice of action.   Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 14:53, 16 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Responding to pings. My request to the blocking admin was based on Blocking_policy in which someone can be unblocked in order to allow them to take part in a discussion which relates to their block, but which restricts them from editing elsewhere. I don't have a strong opinion on if your block should be totally or partially lifted, but I do feel that it would be more convenient if you were directly able to join in the discussion rather than have others copy and paste your words. As regards your extension request, Barkeep has asked you a couple of questions which you would need to answer before that request is granted. SilkTork (talk) 15:21, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
 * @SilkTork: I emailed '@ about 15 hours ago to request an extension. I just checked my email yet again, but i have received no reply or acknowledgement.  I have also received no ping or talkpage message from Barkeep49.
 * So where are these questions?  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 15:28, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Note -- email s re-sent by Dreamy Jazz. I replied immediately.  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 16:07, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Just for the record I replied 21 minutes later. Sorry it wasn't seen. Barkeep49 (talk) 16:12, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks, @Barkeep49. Now that I have seen the email, I see that your reply was indeed wonderfully prompt. Thank you muchly for that, and sorry about my software flaw.
 * My previous email client was barfing regularly at Gmail so for my rarely-used BHG email account I switched over to Thunderbird. Now it seems that out Thunderbrird's spam-filtering is wildly overactive.  From frying pan to fire
 * Bring back the glory days of Pegasus Mail for DOS. Best email client ever.  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 16:24, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Just noting here the clerks list has now received your message (it was being held in moderation) and are discussing it. Barkeep49 (talk) 16:29, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks again, @Barkeep49. I got a "held in moderation" auto-response, and wondered whether that technical step might be slow to resolve.   Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 16:34, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
 * See my ping at the case (in the clerks section) for the details of your extension. Barkeep49 (talk) 16:57, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks again, @Barkeep49, both for your prompt responses and for granting the extension. I will of course treat the new limit like a speed limit is supposed to be trweted, i.e. as a limit, not a target. My pedal goeth not unto metal!  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 17:03, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

Block
 You have been blocked from editing for a period of 48 hours for violating your editing restriction, as documented at WP:EDRC, as a consequence of uncivil statements as documented at "BrownHairedGirl's lack of civility in CFD". Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions. If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text at the bottom of your talk page:. Paul August &#9742; 13:43, 16 July 2023 (UTC)


 * And unblocked. ANI is clearly against this block, seeing it as unhelpful to ongoing dispute resolution processes. Courcelles (talk) 15:12, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you, @Courcelles.  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 15:15, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

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Unmerge Sligo–Leitrim / Leitrim–Sligo
Hi BHG, I was wondering are you going to unmerge Sligo–Leitrim (Dáil constituency) and Leitrim–Sligo (Dáil constituency) ? I think its the only one of IG merges left. Spleodrach (talk) 19:13, 17 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Yes, @Spleodrach, I will.  I think you are right that it's the only one left.
 * But unmerges are a little more complex than unsplits, so I will leave it until the morning, when I am at my freshest. Hope that's OK.
 * And while you are here, congrats on your massive work on deploying the Constituency Teachtaí Dála navbox navboxes. I dunno how you do so much without AWB, but it has been great work. We are about 85% done now, only 7 days after the first (buggy) working demo of Constituency Teachtaí Dála navbox.
 * We have had our moments in the past, but I have enjoyed working with you (& ) on this. I also enjoyed our collaboration on the 2021 Dublin Bay South by-election, which was basically only a few tweaks short of WP:GA standard by the time the votes were counted.  All involved did great work there, and I think it might even be a suitable FA candidate.  Here's to yet more of these productive collaborations!   Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 19:31, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Take your time, there are no deadlines on Wikipedia. Yes, its been productive, I hope it continues! Spleodrach (talk) 22:15, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks, @Spleodrach.
 * It's done. I have unmerged Leitrim–Sligo (Dáil constituency) from Sligo–Leitrim (Dáil constituency), reinstated the post-merge changes, fixed the backlinks ... and then created and deployed Leitrim–Sligo (Dáil constituency)/TDs.  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 06:44, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
 * What with Wikipedia having no deadlines, I was planning to get to these after my week's hiatus, although I given how quickly the navigation templates deployed, I can understand the desire to finish the job. I had been planning on leaving Leitrim–Sligo for further discussion; I was just over at Dublin South, where a constituency named in the legislation as South County Dublin is linked here as Dublin County South, and there doesn't seem to be any more synthesis in combining in the case of a switch in county name order. That being said, I think we've probably done this conversation to death for the moment! If I do ever have the urge to bring those two back together, I'll certainly let you know! Iveagh Gardens (talk) 19:39, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
 * @Iveagh Gardens: there is a huge difference between standardising the use of compass points and adding words that weren't there, or reversing the order of counties.  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 19:57, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

Women in Red 8th Anniversary
--Lajmmoore (talk) 11:00, 18 July 2023 (UTC) via MassMessaging

fwiw
I didn't want to just keep eating up your extension with a back-and-forth. Your recent reply:


 * I see why you fid my words about El_C to be harsh, ut I urge you to re-read that discussion. El_C themselves stated that they did't understand my complaint, and they were objectively wrong as a point of fact in insisting that it was about CFD. It was in no way about CFD.
 * El_C then threatened with me sanctions, insisted that my post was disruptive, and accused of my bad faith because I objected. That is terrible conduct, and the malice is clear from El_C's failure to apologise at the time, from their attempt here to weaponise their misconduct against me, and their bogus allegations against BMK.
 * And I note that yet again, the only concern so far expressed here is about how I described the misconduct, rather the substance of an admin repeatedly doubling down their misbehaviour. This is a pattern on Wikipedia :(

What I would find persuasive:


 * I see why you fid my words about El_C to be harsh, ut I urge you to re-read that discussion. El_C themselves stated that they did't understand my complaint, and they were objectively wrong as a point of fact in insisting that it was about CFD. It was in no way about CFD.
 * El_C then threatened with me sanctions, insisted that my post was disruptive, and accused of my bad faith because I objected.
 * And I note that yet again, the only concern so far expressed here is about how I described the misconduct, rather the substance of an admin repeatedly doubling down on a mistake.

To me, that's an objective statement of what happened and assumes wrongheadedness rather than actual malice, which is the crucial difference. How you describe misconduct is the entire basis of the ANI, this ArbCom request, and the entire history of civility complaints against you. It's literally the ONE THING you need to understand, and it seems like it's literally the ONE THING you can't get through your very useful and highly-valued head. From someone in the audience, it feels like you have a missing pixel there.

I hope this feels helpful rather than otherwise. I sincerely wish you the best. Valereee (talk) 16:22, 18 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Thank you, @Valereee, but ...
 * I am sure you mean well, but I deplore this notion that it is appropriate to focus all your attention on my words That is terrible conduct, and the malice is clear from El_C's failure to apologise at the time, from their attempt here to weaponise their misconduct against me, and their bogus allegations against BMK. ... rater than the piles of bile posted at Arbcom by El_C in their statement, let alone their ANI antics of wielding a big stick when they clearly understood nothing about the issues.
 * ALL the scrutiny is placed on the complainant's wording, while the miscreant goes unreproached. I AM UTTERLY SICK OF THIS.
 * I do believe that you are trying to help, and not just 'cos you wrote that here. You have repeatedly stood aside from the pie-on, and I thank you for that. But I really really really hate this Wikipedia game of disregarding substantive misconduct 'cos the complainant is blunt.  This inversion of onus is no part of my values or of the cultures I have lived in, but I am beginning to think that is dominant in Wikipedia and that I am wasting my time here i thinking that we are here to bild an encyclopedia, and should therefore place a lot more value on truth and substance rather than on the bluntness of challenges to falsehoods asserted by someone who fails to read.
 * That issue of "falsehoods asserted by someone who fails to read" is both what El_C's antics started with, and what the whole SMALLCAT dispute is about.
 * Sorry to dump all my anger on you, but I need to set out just how invidious this all is. The principle of verfiability is at the core of Wikipedia's purposes, but I am in the midst of a huge drama in which I am assailed by people  who not only make verifiably false assertions, but go on the attack against their critics.  It seems that in this respect, Wikipedia's collective values are actively hostile to our claimed purpose: we have an environmnent where falsifiers thrive and lead lynch mobs.   Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 16:50, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Dump away. :) I have broad shoulders a broad butt and can take it. Valereee (talk) 17:00, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

Cork Borough (Dáil constituency)
Hi BHG, can you take a look at Cork Borough (Dáil constituency)? There is an issue when an efn has a ref inside it. See Liam de Róiste. I updated the noteslist to use the name of the efn and this displayed it inside the navbox on Liam de Róiste, but the ref also displays beneath the naxbox. Curiously, neither the efn note nor the ref appear in the main Cork Borough article. Also, efns without a ref do not appear in the consitiuency article, see Carlow–Kilkenny (Dáil constituency), but do appear in the TDs article. Tx Spleodrach (talk) 16:45, 19 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the pointer, @Spleodrach.
 * You msg came just as I was writing a post to WT:WikiProject Ireland about my tweaking today.
 * Seems like something has gone awry with part of my tweaks. I will look into it.  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 17:02, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
 * @Spleodrach, thanks to your very clear report, I was able to track this down quickly. I think that this wee edit has fixed both glitches. (Just one stray  character!)
 * Please can you refresh the pages, and see if all is now okay?  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 17:12, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's fixed it. Thank you. Hopefully no more bugs! Spleodrach (talk) 17:17, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
 * @Spleodrach: I hope so, but with so many layers of templates involved, there may be something else.
 * My next task is to finally document the Irish TD table begin series of templates, which I created back in 2009.  You have done great work using them and tweaking them without docs, but if both of us disappeared from en.wp, they might be a bit opaque for other editors.
 * They turned out to be crucial to making Constituency Teachtaí Dála navbox work. If I hadn't figured out how to make them behave differently in the navboxes. And my favourite bit of it all is the wee utility template Is this a Dáil constituency article, which lets the Irish TD table begin series of templates figure out where they are.
 * So while I'm on the case, I better catch up with the documentation .  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 17:37, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

SmallCat dispute case opened
You were recently listed as a party to a request for arbitration. The Arbitration Committee has accepted that request for arbitration and an arbitration case has been opened at Arbitration/Requests/Case/SmallCat dispute. Evidence that you wish the arbitrators to consider should be added to the evidence subpage, at Arbitration/Requests/Case/SmallCat dispute/Evidence. Please add your evidence by August 4, 2023, which is when the evidence phase closes. You can also contribute to the case workshop subpage, Arbitration/Requests/Case/SmallCat dispute/Workshop. For a guide to the arbitration process, see Arbitration/Guide to arbitration. For the Arbitration Committee, Dreamy Jazz talk to me &#124; my contributions 12:55, 21 July 2023 (UTC)


 * BHG, I wanted to draw your attention to because I noticed that you may have been focused on defending your position in the SmallCat dispute rather than on behavior. Hope that helps? —DIYeditor (talk) 18:12, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks, @DIYeditor.
 * But I do think that Arbcom's choice to open a case about conduct rather about substance has been a terrible decision . It pushes editors down a conflict-deepening path of finding muck to throw at each other, and it rewards editors who devote their time and energy on the wholly unproductive exercise of diff-farming and the vicious, poisonous game of quoting out of context which opened both the ANI and the RFAR.
 * This is a framework which stokes division, and rewards the worst behavior. It actively punishes those who focus on substance. And it not only leaves the substantive issues unresolved: it saps energy away from solving them, and it poisons the atmosphere.
 * I am still weighing to what extent (if any) I will participate in yet another conflict-deepening timesink.  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 19:16, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
 * A lot is being put on the table for you to address and I agree it may be stoking the flames further. I somewhat wish I had just stayed out of it as I had only tertiary experience with it all, I have "no dog in the fight", and I don't like the appearance of someone being ganged up on.
 * I do think it would be easier for you to find some example of disagreements that didn't result in incivility or a battleground situation than for someone else to dig through your edit history to find them. It could be kept to a simple list so as not to greatly affect your word count. —DIYeditor (talk) 03:27, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Villages in Istanbul Province


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If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and removing the speedy deletion tag. ✗ plicit  12:13, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:1980s in Uruguayan television


A tag has been placed on Category:1980s in Uruguayan television indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and removing the speedy deletion tag. Liz Read! Talk! 05:43, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

Women Today
Hello! I saw you had edited the Marian Finucane article in the past and I wanted to introduce you to a page that I feel was sorely needed. I've found many sources from RTE but I was wondering if you would be able to help with more sources from the Irish Times or any other source that isn't the broadcaster, talking about the impact of the radio programme, because clearly there was one, and I've cited it enough to not get it deleted, but I think the memory of Marian deserves more, don't you? :) Mike H. Fierce! 12:45, 27 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi @Mike Halterman
 * I loved Marian Finucane's broadcasts, and I admired her great skill at getting pople to talk. It would be great to see the article developed further.
 * But I doubt that I will have the time or energy to help.  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 14:44, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I understand. I'll see if I can find a few more sources because I'd like to put it on DYK. Mike H. Fierce! 15:01, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
 * All right, take a look at it now. I think I've ironed out most of the issues it had when I was reading it back. I've also nominated it. (I did it for Sinéad) ;) Mike H. Fierce! 16:34, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
 * @Mike Halterman: an unsourced addition of a few words does not seem to me to be a great basis for a DYK nomination.  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 17:47, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Of course. I'm referring to Women Today which was the headline of this talk page section. Mike H. Fierce! 18:06, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Keeping assume good faith and other Wiki-niceties in mind, I have been an editor for nearly 20 years and a former administrator. Just because I'm not doing it a lot nowadays (clearly, judging by my signature...which I created when I was 20 and I hate now that I'm 37) doesn't mean I would come and waste your time with a mere edit to a lede. Of course I welcome your feedback to the article just written. Mike H. Fierce! 18:12, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Y'now @Mike Halterman, the headline says "Women Today", but you never mentioned it again. The body text of your message was all about Marian Finucane.  So I reasonably assumed that your request was about the article Marian Finucane.
 * It has take five messages for you to finally convey unambiguously to me which article you want help with. So I don't think we will get on.
 * Also, I have already told you I doubt that I will have the time or energy to help.
 * Lemme firm that up: I wish you well, but I will not be helping. Please stop posting on my talk about this.
 * Right now, I am tired and stressed. I have tried to politely indicate to you to move on. Please don't keep on pushing me.   Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 18:27, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

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Category:Football at the 2019 Pan American Games – Men& has been nominated for deletion
Category:Football at the 2019 Pan American Games – Men& has been nominated for deletion. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Gonnym (talk) 09:14, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Category:Football at the 2019 Pan American Games – Women& has been nominated for deletion
Category:Football at the 2019 Pan American Games – Women& has been nominated for deletion. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Gonnym (talk) 09:14, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Villages in İnegöl District


A tag has been placed on Category:Villages in İnegöl District indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and removing the speedy deletion tag. ✗ plicit  12:15, 1 August 2023 (UTC)